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Online laj

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2017, 07:31:35 PM »
It was 21deg and they hadn't bowled a heap of overs.
Just far too good an opportunity to pass up.

They had bowled enough. Innings went 76.1 overs. Not as if they were fresh.

Why would you do it and risk your bowlers? What if they are tired and all end up bowling over 30 overs. With injury-prone bowlers, not such a good idea and just increases such workloads to such bowlers in a long, 5 Test Series.  Never a need to make a side follow-on, especially if there's back to back Tests (this Test was the 2nd of them so no issues). Making them follow-on is giving a sucker an even break, a chance to score 450 against tired bowlers. Then you might end up with a tricky chase possibly under lights. Why would you do it other than to have an extra day playing golf. If you're 215 in front a crape score will even put the game out of reach, as we saw. We won easily, as we were always going to do, and we have bowlers that are alot fresher.


Online DJC

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2017, 07:48:16 PM »
Smith conceded that the win took the pressure off his decision not to enforce the follow on.  He didn't really explain why he took his foot off the Poms' throat, perhaps because you can't explain the inexplicable.  He certainly didn't seem concerned about the bowlers' workload and it doesn't seem to be an issue among the commentators.

The Poms capitulated so quickly I didn't get to see any of today's play 🙁
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Offline JonHenry

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2017, 10:09:55 PM »
They had bowled enough. Innings went 76.1 overs. Not as if they were fresh.

Why would you do it and risk your bowlers? What if they are tired and all end up bowling over 30 overs. With injury-prone bowlers, not such a good idea and just increases such workloads to such bowlers in a long, 5 Test Series.  Never a need to make a side follow-on, especially if there's back to back Tests (this Test was the 2nd of them so no issues). Making them follow-on is giving a sucker an even break, a chance to score 450 against tired bowlers. Then you might end up with a tricky chase possibly under lights. Why would you do it other than to have an extra day playing golf. If you're 215 in front a crape score will even put the game out of reach, as we saw. We won easily, as we were always going to do, and we have bowlers that are alot fresher.

Well based on those "facts" we may as well remove the follow on rule from the game.
A whopping 76 overs in 21 deg.
Oh hang on, around 10 were bowled the night before.
And they had just had a dinner break.
I think they may have managed somehow.
A new ball in those conditions may have just had them pretty fired up I would have thought

Online laj

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2017, 09:55:33 AM »
Well based on those "facts" we may as well remove the follow on rule from the game.
A whopping 76 overs in 21 deg.
Oh hang on, around 10 were bowled the night before.
And they had just had a dinner break.
I think they may have managed somehow.
A new ball in those conditions may have just had them pretty fired up I would have thought

Don't take up captaincy, as it won't be a strength.

You'd have no idea how they felt. They bowled 76 overs is pretty significant so they are not going to be that fresh. You think they a robots? What if they were a bit flat and went for 400-450, then they have a tricky chase, possibly under lights. We led by 215 so even a crap score was even going to put the game out of their reach, which happened. Then we had fresh bowlers go out and roll them for 233. Meant we won easily. Your way would be to put possibly England back in the and make us potentially chase, my way we won easily. So why the hell would you want to make them follow-on. There's absolutely no reason for it. Never a reason to make a side follow on. Barring time and weather factor you couldn't find one good reason.

Remember too these bowlers are injury prone, have to play a 5 Test series. What if a few of them had to bowl another 25, even 30 overs, that's suddenly alot in a row. You might want to smash them but others don't.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/hindsight-only-weapon-as-ashes-captains-cop-misplaced-criticism/9233744?section=sport


« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 11:07:43 AM by laj »

Offline ElwoodBlues1

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2017, 12:39:56 PM »
Don't take up captaincy, as it won't be a strength.

You'd have no idea how they felt. They bowled 76 overs is pretty significant so they are not going to be that fresh. You think they a robots? What if they were a bit flat and went for 400-450, then they have a tricky chase, possibly under lights. We led by 215 so even a crap score was even going to put the game out of their reach, which happened. Then we had fresh bowlers go out and roll them for 233. Meant we won easily. Your way would be to put possibly England back in the and make us potentially chase, my way we won easily. So why the hell would you want to make them follow-on. There's absolutely no reason for it. Never a reason to make a side follow on. Barring time and weather factor you couldn't find one good reason.

Remember too these bowlers are injury prone, have to play a 5 Test series. What if a few of them had to bowl another 25, even 30 overs, that's suddenly alot in a row. You might want to smash them but others don't.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/hindsight-only-weapon-as-ashes-captains-cop-misplaced-criticism/9233744?section=sport

Agree on being injury prone...Cummins has been very injury prone and is now a key part of the team and Starc has also had issues, cant afford to lose either and we would come back to the field
very quickly...Bird and Sayers for example dont replace those two...Poms would be all over us.
I could understand Smith wanting to look after  our main weapons/advantage in this series.....

Offline JonHenry

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2017, 06:12:17 PM »
Don't take up captaincy, as it won't be a strength.

You'd have no idea how they felt. They bowled 76 overs is pretty significant so they are not going to be that fresh. You think they a robots? What if they were a bit flat and went for 400-450, then they have a tricky chase, possibly under lights. We led by 215 so even a crap score was even going to put the game out of their reach, which happened. Then we had fresh bowlers go out and roll them for 233. Meant we won easily. Your way would be to put possibly England back in the and make us potentially chase, my way we won easily. So why the hell would you want to make them follow-on. There's absolutely no reason for it. Never a reason to make a side follow on. Barring time and weather factor you couldn't find one good reason.

Remember too these bowlers are injury prone, have to play a 5 Test series. What if a few of them had to bowl another 25, even 30 overs, that's suddenly alot in a row. You might want to smash them but others don't.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/hindsight-only-weapon-as-ashes-captains-cop-misplaced-criticism/9233744?section=sport

There is never a reason to make someone follow on?
Ok genius you know more than all the greatest captains in history.
Obviously all of them are inferior to your tactical expertise
Maybe the world isn't so black and white Jim and you could open your mind just a mm or two

Online flyboy77

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Re: Shaun Marsh - a ton.
« Reply #81 on: December 07, 2017, 09:06:53 PM »
Perhaps Smith made the call for 'commercial' reasons?  :o
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