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The thing is we don't know if any of these blokes would be a better CARLTON coach.

It's a case where it's not that easy, it actually is "Rocket Science" (maybe we should get Eade )

It's too simplistic to say because a coach has been successful at one club with a select group of players he can take our group, at our club, and go that extra step that Ratten apparently can't.

If Malthouse or Roos had been in the box today would we have played better, differently, or won by more.

The way I look at is we have a bloke who is doing a pretty fair job.
He's improved the group each year (including one where we lost perhaps our most potent forward)

This year is an abberation severly affected by injuries which affect the performances of other players, their confidence and their roles in the side.
In that case he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

If everyone went for the best avaliable.....only one coach would get a job.
But the reality is that the best coach for Geelong might not be the best coach for Adelaide. The best coach for Collingwood might not be the best coach for Carlton.
We have a relatively young enthusiastic coach who gives me the impression he's learnt a lot...... particularly this season.
He could have walked away but he chose to stick it out and today was rewarded with one of the best wins of his coaching career.
Yep..... now's the time to dump him

I think your mistaken on a couple of points Kruds.
I wrote this after a win back in August 2012.
The injuries were being mentioned back then I'm sure I wasn't alone in that thinking (but I'll leave it for others to find their posts and support that view.)

I don't believe folk are attacking the excuse of a poor pre-season....what they're actually attacking are those that said it wasn't an excuse in 2012 but is in 2014.

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The thing is we don't know if any of these blokes would be a better CARLTON coach.

It's a case where it's not that easy, it actually is "Rocket Science" (maybe we should get Eade )

It's too simplistic to say because a coach has been successful at one club with a select group of players he can take our group, at our club, and go that extra step that Ratten apparently can't.

If Malthouse or Roos had been in the box today would we have played better, differently, or won by more.

The way I look at is we have a bloke who is doing a pretty fair job.
He's improved the group each year (including one where we lost perhaps our most potent forward)

This year is an abberation severly affected by injuries which affect the performances of other players, their confidence and their roles in the side.
In that case he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

If everyone went for the best avaliable.....only one coach would get a job.
But the reality is that the best coach for Geelong might not be the best coach for Adelaide. The best coach for Collingwood might not be the best coach for Carlton.
We have a relatively young enthusiastic coach who gives me the impression he's learnt a lot...... particularly this season.
He could have walked away but he chose to stick it out and today was rewarded with one of the best wins of his coaching career.
Yep..... now's the time to dump him

OMG. Do you not read anything he posts? It's opposite way around that's the problem. Those who dismissed the injuries as an excuse for Ratten now use them as an excuse for Malthouse! And the injuries are nowhere near as bad as what Ratts had and almost non-existent this year. FFS it's not rocket science. The type of person you speak of above doesn't exist.

Injuries may be a reason for being unable to win games - they are not an excuse for not trying your absolute best in every game. Our problems then, as now, I think go beyond injuries.

It is important for MM to learn something from this. To learn to adapt and adjust to his list. This is not a time for pig-headedness or stubbornness. Might not be the best list, but it aint a 17th list. You'll get a lot more out of this list with a healthy balance between positive and negative rather than too much negative. And then gradually recruit to suit your needs, but in the interim…

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 20, 2014, 11:22:29 am

OMG. Do you not read anything he posts? It's opposite way around that's the problem. Those who dismissed the injuries as an excuse for Ratten now use them as an excuse for Malthouse! And the injuries are nowhere near as bad as what Ratts had and almost non-existent this year. FFS it's not rocket science. The type of person you speak of above doesn't exist.

In your view it's the opposite way around.

I disagree.

TBH, its people like you, who call for Rattens sacking, then change your mind afterwards and blame Malthouse for everything since that is the issue IMO.

I didn't hear you sticking up for Ratten too much during the year he was sacked. You started the sacking thread, you changed your mind like a yoyo along the way depending on if we were winning or not, but you got what you were after in the end.

My belief is that you cannot judge him on this year, we've been crippled by injury. Even you yourself commented on what a difference Waite makes for us up front. We gave him (Ratts) two years for a good reason and to ditch him after one given all the circumstances doesn't make sense.

I believe Brett Ratten is the best fit for our club without a doubt. If he's got the cattle out on the park he can make the team hum. You anti-Rattanites that want MM or Roos need to realise, if it aint broke, don't fix it.

We lost 3 players in the first 40 mins against North. We'd lost Simpson from the week before as well. That's four changes for the game. Our fullback was playing injured and got hammered. Do you not understand how difficult it is to maintain any momentum with so many good players dropping out of the team? It's virtually impossible not even the greatest of great coaches could pull it off. I think Ratts has done very well in the second half of the season with what he's had to work with.

The stubborn thing to do would be to say 'We are Carlton' and sack Ratten. That went out with the Elliot era never to return. The smart, business savvy thing to do would be to give Ratts his last year of his contract and see how he goes with a full list.

As usual, someone disagrees with your arguments, so you go the poster.

Quote from: kruddler on April 21, 2014, 09:07:56 am

As usual, someone disagrees with your arguments, so you go the poster.

You mean like your constant futile attempts to discredit me everyone time I outpoint you? I guess this is just another example.

Quote from: cookie2 on April 20, 2014, 11:31:44 am

Injuries may be a reason for being unable to win games - they are not an excuse for not trying your absolute best in every game. Our problems then, as now, I think go beyond injuries.

Nicely identified, there, Hairy Biscuit.

It is an on-going process for us all to negotiate and understand, with cold objectivity, the errors of the recent past which lead to failure, along with what's caused failure last year and this year.

It really is time to move on from the Ratten years as it was time to move on from the Pagan years...

Some were cynical, even critical of the club's 'United' publicity. But sometimes something as simple as a single word can galvanize people (and even organisations) into getting a collective positive spirit. And that kind of focus seems to be exactly what the players needed, ie something with a really positive focus amongst the avalanche of negativity. So well done club and whoever thought of this and whoever seconded it.

But... there was also another extremely important ingredient, maybe even more important ingredient, in my very humble observation, and that was that our boys were 'allowed' to be more attacking/positive. I think TURNIPS alluded to this in an earlier missive.

It is important for MM to learn something from this. To learn to adapt and adjust to his list. This is not a time for pig-headedness or stubbornness. Might not be the best list, but it aint a 17th list. You'll get a lot more out of this list with a healthy balance between positive and negative rather than too much negative. And then gradually recruit to suit your needs, but in the interim…

Knockers played a classic game of palming the ball and even punching the ball into space. Was great to watch. When you get the clearance everything falls into place.