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Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #15
No one ever has identical games, even if the stats do say so, I would find a way to split them some how...

Chances are someone else would split them the other way and they come out even anyway!!

Or what if you were employed by someone to vote in a 5,4,3,2,1 format on the game scenario you provided? Do you quit the job or do you find a way to vote the in way you are required?
Mens sana in corpore sano - A healthy mind in a healthy body.

Navy, it's not just a color, it's an attitude !!!

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #16
Edit.
Mens sana in corpore sano - A healthy mind in a healthy body.

Navy, it's not just a color, it's an attitude !!!

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #17
No one ever has identical games, even if the stats do say so, I would find a way to split them some how...

Chances are someone else would split them the other way and they come out even anyway!!

Or what if you were employed by someone to vote in a 5,4,3,2,1 format on the game scenario you provided? Do you quit the job or do you find a way to vote the in way you are required?

Well if they're split one way by you, and another way by someone else, i have no choice but to give them the same. ;)

Personally what i do is i work out who i want to give votes too first, then i work out how had the better games...and how much better they were than someone else. I adjust the votes to fit all the players i want in there. Sometimes 3, sometimes 10.

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Reply #18
It was easier when Judd was in full flight.  I found myself writing Judd and giving him most of the votes he was that good and that much better than the next guy.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #19
OK, ladies and gentlemen, it is time to look at Round #1!

Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG on a Thursday night.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 382
Curnow, Charles 245
Simpson, Kade 238
Marchbank, Caleb 151
Wright, Matthew 139
Fisher, Zac 34
Thomas, Dale 22
Curnow, Edward 21
Kreuzer, Matthew 19
Murphy, Marc 14
Garlett, Jarrod 5
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 5

That is 12 players who deserved a mention for creditable performances in a loss. We shoud and must see positive things in this result.

Progressive Votes:
382 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
245 - Curnow, Charles (0)
238 - Simpson, Kade (0)
151 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
149 - Wright, Matthew (0)
35 - Fisher, Zac (0)
23 - Thomas, Dale (0)
21 - Curnow, Edward (0)
19 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
14 - Murphy, Marc (0)
5 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
5 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)

25 voters this time, up from 24 this time last year.
Cripps was easy rated as our best.
Simpson's game in this round was one of his best: his judgement was excellent and he turned it over rarely. That compares poorly to his Round #2 effort, where his judgement was ordinary and his turnovers were numerous.
Kreuzer probably didn't get the votes he could have got, as his injury had a considerable influence on the game. From that point on Nankervis got into the game and Richmond's midfield started getting clearances.
The rating for this game 8.56, which is between a C+ and B-, a rare event indeed for a game we did not win.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #20
Right, let's consider Round 2. Not one of our better efforts. We rated the game 6.00. Getting a whole number is spooky enough, but a 6 represents E, something of a come-down after our effort in Round #1.

We had our chance at pontificating as to why. How close to the 'truth' we get is interesting.
Still, the great minds have met and the votes are in:

Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Votes:
Curnow, Edward 226
Cripps, Patrick 157
Curnow, Charles 141
Fisher, Zac 92
Murphy, Marc 92
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 76
Mullett, Aaron 30
Simpson, Kade 21
Marchbank, Caleb 18
Thomas, Dale 16
Garlett, Jarrod 11
Jones, Liam 11
Wright, Matthew 7
Cuningham, David 4

The rating really affected the votes. Last week Cripps got 382. This week's leader, Ed Curnow, got 226. That is a hell of a difference.
However, we had only 1 less person getting votes. We did some things right last week, but not enough not often enough.

17 people voted this week, down from 25 last week. That said, with such a terrible game, it is not surprising people did not want to vote.

Simmo's game here really shows the dichotomy in his play as he gets older. Last week his judgement was near perfect. This round his judgement was as poor as it ever has been. Hopefully Round 3 will be like Round 1.

Progressive Votes:
539 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
386 - Curnow, Charles (0)
260 - Simpson, Kade (0)
247 - Curnow, Edward (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
157 - Wright, Matthew (0)
127 - Fisher, Zac (0)
106 - Murphy, Marc (0)
82 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
39 - Thomas, Dale (0)
30 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
19 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
16 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
11 - Jones, Liam (0)
4 - Cuningham, David (0)

Cripps has got out to a small lead at this point. Charlie is coming 2nd, with Simmo and Ed Curnow close in 3rd and 4th.
At this point 15 players have got votes in our 2 games.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #21
Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood: what a disaster! We rated the game poorly, as would be expected. It actually scores a little better than last week, averaged 6.25, which represents an E+, more or less. I guess, as we lost by 4 goals, that it wasn't a total dead loss, but ... :(
Carlton vs Collingwood;

Votes:
Casboult, Levi 252
Murphy, Marc 184
Curnow, Charles 115
Kreuzer, Matthew 109
Simpson, Kade 107
Curnow, Edward 66
Cripps, Patrick 29
Thomas, Dale 23
Fisher, Zac 21
Cuningham, David 12
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 8
Garlett, Jarrod 4
Kennedy, Matthew 4
Jones, Liam 2

Another week where the leader scored less than 300, but where few players scored even reasonably.
14 players deserved a mention, which is not that bad, as only 17 players have managed a mention over the 3 games we've had.

16 people voted this week, down from 22 for this round last year. :( But unless we play decently, people do not vote. I can understand that.

Hopefully a good performance in the next few weeks will bring the voters out.

Progressive Voting:
569 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
502 - Curnow, Charles (0)
367 - Simpson, Kade (0)
313 - Curnow, Edward (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
252 - Casboult, Levi (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
157 - Wright, Matthew (0)
148 - Fisher, Zac (0)
129 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
89 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
62 - Thomas, Dale (0)
30 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
20 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
16 - Cuningham, David (0)
13 - Jones, Liam (0)
4 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)

Patrick Cripps and Charlie Curnow have cleared out somewhat, with Simpson leading the chasing pelaton.



Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #22
Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart.
This has been one of the worst performances in recent years, as we were simply noncompetitive for much of the game. I haven't seen so many F's being given.
A rating of 5.5 is an F+, probably the lowest rating since the days of Malthouse. :(
However, for an interstate game we did get 16 votes, 3 more than the corresponding game last year.

Votes:
Thomas, Dale 223
Curnow, Edward 212
Cripps, Patrick 153
Wright, Matthew 56
Cuningham, David 56
Kreuzer, Matthew 31
Simpson, Kade 31
Garlett, Jarrod 17
O'Brien, Lochie 17
Kennedy, Matthew 14
Silvagni, Jack 14
Fisher, Zac 7
Mullett, Aaron 7
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 3
Jones, Liam 3

Surprisingly 15 players got a mention, but the last 8 of these scored 17 or less. Only the top couple made contributions of significance.

Progressive Voting:
722 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
525 - Curnow, Edward (0)
502 - Curnow, Charles (0)
388 - Simpson, Kade (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
285 - Thomas, Dale (0)
252 - Casboult, Levi (0)
212 - Wright, Matthew (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
160 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
155 - Fisher, Zac (0)
93 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
38 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
18 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
18 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
17 - Jones, Liam (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)

Crippa has cleared out a little, but a nice little lead. The Curnow brothers are close for 2nd and 3rd. Simmo is a comfortable 4th.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #23
Rd 5: Carlton vs West Coast at the MCG
A small crowd of 27000 saw a much better Carlton, but not one good enough to win yet. Still, there were lots of positives to come out of this game.

The rating was 8.02, which represents a C. That is very good considering that we did not win.
There were also 19 people who voted this week, compared to 16 last week and 17 for the same game in 2017.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 397
Simpson, Kade 156
Jones, Liam 143
Fisher, Zac 137
Thomas, Dale 97
Phillips, Andrew 72
Rowe, Sam 61
Curnow, Edward 53
McKay, Harrison 49
Dow, Patrick 19
O'Brien, Lochie 8
Curnow, Charles 6
Casboult, Levi 4

Patrick Cripps had a huge game, with one of the highest scores ever for a non-win. 397 is massive.
Surprisingly there were only 13 vote winners: there were more last year and last round!

Progressive Voting:
1118 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
578 - Curnow, Edward (0)
544 - Simpson, Kade (0)
508 - Curnow, Charles (0)
382 - Thomas, Dale (0)
292 - Fisher, Zac (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
257 - Casboult, Levi (0)
212 - Wright, Matthew (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
160 - Jones, Liam (0)
160 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
93 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
72 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
62 - Rowe, Sam (0)
49 - McKay, Harrison (0)
38 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
26 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
19 - Dow, Patrick (0)
18 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #24
Rd 6: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs:
It is officially the worst start to a season that Carlton has ever experienced. We showed a bit, but we are still very light on at the moment and will be for a few more weeks.  :-[

The rating for this game was 6.59, which represents a D-, more or less.
This week 18 people voted, compared to 19 last week and 26 for the same round last year (which we won).  :-[

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 385
Fisher, Zac 234
Thomas, Dale 145
Curnow, Charles 49
Kerridge, Sam 48
Casboult, Levi 35
Jones, Liam 29
Phillips, Andrew 29
Simpson, Kade 13
Curnow, Edward 9
Wright, Matthew 7
Kennedy, Matthew 4
Rowe, Sam 2

13 players managed a mention this week: we were either pretty good or pretty bad. And even the good ones made mistakes that lead directly to opposition goals.

Progressives:
1503 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
587 - Curnow, Edward (0)
558 - Curnow, Charles (0)
557 - Simpson, Kade (0)
526 - Fisher, Zac (0)
526 - Thomas, Dale (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
219 - Wright, Matthew (0)
189 - Jones, Liam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
160 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
93 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
64 - Rowe, Sam (0)
49 - McKay, Harrison (0)
48 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
38 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
26 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
19 - Dow, Patrick (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)

Cripps is almost 1000 points ahead at this point and appears to be the early favourite. With our injuries, the competition isn't quite there yet.
However, behind him the competition is fierce! There are 6 players in the 500's, followed by gap of about 200 to Casboult.
Silvagni is at the foot of the leader board, but at least he has some votes. There are guys out there who have played and haven't bothered the scorer at all.
It would be nice to see some of our recruits for this season in the numbers as well. None of them has scored more than 38 votes so far (Garlett, and he was dropped last week).
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #25
Rd 7: Carlton vs. Adelaide in Adelaide:

Not a great performance and 50 + point loss. :(
The rating was 6.11, which represents E.
We had 15 people voting this week, down from 22 for this game last year and 18 from last week.

Votes:
Thomas, Dale 242
Curnow, Edward 238
Cripps, Patrick 122
Fisher, Zac 81
Kreuzer, Matthew 49
Dow, Patrick 35
Simpson, Kade 33
Wright, Matthew 29
Kerridge, Sam 29
O'Brien, Lochie 26
Garlett, Jarrod 16
Jones, Liam 8
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 4
Graham, Nick 4

14 players managed a mention this week, but only 3 managed 100 points or more.
Dale Thomas was our best player for the 2nd time this season. Ed Curnow has 1 best player and 2 2nd best places. Patrick Cripps, 3rd this week, has only once been lower than 3rd.

Progressive Voting:
1625 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
826 - Curnow, Edward (0)
769 - Thomas, Dale (0)
608 - Fisher, Zac (0)
589 - Simpson, Kade (0)
558 - Curnow, Charles (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
248 - Wright, Matthew (0)
209 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
197 - Jones, Liam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
97 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
77 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
64 - Rowe, Sam (0)
54 - Dow, Patrick (0)
54 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
53 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
49 - McKay, Harrison (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
5 - Graham, Nick (0)

You might notice that Nick Graham got 4 votes above and 5 votes in the progressive. That is because the total is always rounded up.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #26
Rd 8: Carlton vs Essendon
Mirabile Visu! It was so good to defeat the old enemy.

The rating was 8.98, close enough to a B for me.
We had 17 voters this week, up from 15 last week and 15 for the same round last year.

Votes:
Curnow, Edward 338
Kreuzer, Matthew 251
Cripps, Patrick 246
Thomas, Dale 185
Curnow, Charles 92
Lamb, Jed 77
Simpson, Kade 55
Jones, Liam 40
Wright, Matthew 21
Rowe, Sam 16
Fisher, Zac 8
Kerridge, Sam 8
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 5
O'Brien, Lochie 5

There were 14 players worth a mention this round.

Progressive Voting:
1871 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1164 - Curnow, Edward (0)
954 - Thomas, Dale (0)
650 - Curnow, Charles (0)
645 - Simpson, Kade (0)
616 - Fisher, Zac (0)
460 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
290 - Murphy, Marc (0)
269 - Wright, Matthew (0)
237 - Jones, Liam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
102 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
85 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
79 - Rowe, Sam (0)
77 - Lamb, Jed (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
58 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
54 - Dow, Patrick (0)
54 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
49 - McKay, Harrison (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
5 - Graham, Nick (0)

Things are no longer as close as they were. Cripps' lead is now merely 700, with Ed Curnow making a big move. Dale Thomas has also moved up to a distinct 3rd. After that things remain pretty close for 4th to 6th.
Live Long and Prosper!

 

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Reply #27
Rd 9: Carlton Vs. Melbourne at the MCG

If we could erase this game from our memories ...
What a disaster. The rating for this game was 5.31, which represents an F+. That is one of the worst rating I have ever seen. And it was probably an accurate assessment of what happened on the field.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 331
Graham, Nick 139
Lamb, Jed 82
Fisher, Zac 82
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 45
Kerridge, Sam 39
Simpson, Kade 24
Kreuzer, Matthew 16
Rowe, Sam 12
McKay, Harrison 8
Murphy, Marc 8
Jones, Liam 6
Thomas, Dale 6
Plowman, Lachlan 2

There was one 4 quarter player out there last week: Patrick Cripps. His score really stood out from the rest. In fact, had we played like we did against Essendon, Cripps score would have been worth around 600. That was how we saw this effort.

Comfortably in 2nd spot, Nick Graham's game appeared to have pleased nobody in the coaches' box: he was dropped for the game against Geelong, 6 days later. I not only find this amazing, but I am sure it will end up with Graham moving  on at the end of the season.

Quite surprisingly, 15 different players were awarded votes. This is unusual and tends to occur more when we win. I would scratch my head more, but for the fact that most of these votes were for cameos or effort. Kreuzer, for example, was thrashed in the ruck all day, but he still garnered votes because of his effort.

Progressive Votes:
2201 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1164 - Curnow, Edward (0)
956 - Thomas, Dale (0)
698 - Fisher, Zac (0)
669 - Simpson, Kade (0)
650 - Curnow, Charles (0)
476 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
298 - Murphy, Marc (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
269 - Wright, Matthew (0)
243 - Jones, Liam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
159 - Lamb, Jed (0)
147 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
143 - Graham, Nick (0)
123 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
92 - Rowe, Sam (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
58 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
57 - McKay, Harrison (0)
54 - Dow, Patrick (0)
54 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
3 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)

Cripps is out to a 1100 vote lead.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Jim Park Medal Analysis

Reply #28
Rd 9: Carlton Vs. Melbourne at the MCG
Slightly updated  :o :o

If we could erase this game from our memories ...
What a disaster. The rating for this game was 5.29, which represents an F+ barely. That is one of the worst rating I have ever seen. And it was probably an accurate assessment of what happened on the field.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 332
Graham, Nick 132
Fisher, Zac 87
Lamb, Jed 76
Kerridge, Sam 43
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 42
Simpson, Kade 30
Kreuzer, Matthew 15
Rowe, Sam 11
McKay, Harrison 8
Murphy, Marc 8
Jones, Liam 6
Thomas, Dale 6
Plowman, Lachlan 2

There was one 4 quarter player out there last week: Patrick Cripps. His score really stood out from the rest. In fact, had we played like we did against Essendon, Cripps score would have been worth around 600. That was how we saw this effort.

Comfortably in 2nd spot, Nick Graham's game appeared to have pleased nobody in the coaches' box: he was dropped for the game against Geelong, 6 days later. I not only find this amazing, but I am sure it will end up with Graham moving  on at the end of the season.

Quite surprisingly, 15 different players were awarded votes. This is unusual and tends to occur more when we win. I would scratch my head more, but for the fact that most of these votes were for cameos or effort. Kreuzer, for example, was thrashed in the ruck all day, but he still garnered votes because of his effort.

Progressive Votes:
2203 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1164 - Curnow, Edward (0)
955 - Thomas, Dale (0)
703 - Fisher, Zac (0)
675 - Simpson, Kade (0)
650 - Curnow, Charles (0)
475 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
297 - Murphy, Marc (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
269 - Wright, Matthew (0)
243 - Jones, Liam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
153 - Lamb, Jed (0)
144 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
137 - Graham, Nick (0)
128 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
91 - Rowe, Sam (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
58 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
57 - McKay, Harrison (0)
54 - Dow, Patrick (0)
54 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)
2 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)

Cripps is out to a 1100 vote lead.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #29
Rd 10: Carlton vs Geelong at Geelong

We had 15 voters this week, which is pretty good considering. There are not many games in Victoria that I miss, but ...
This time last year we had 21 voters. Last week we had 14. :(

We played better against Geelong, but we don't have the maturity or the decision making at the moment.

The rating was 7.84, which represents a C-. Well, we did lose.

Votes:
Cripps, Patrick 377
Plowman, Lachlan 199
Curnow, Edward 152
Simpson, Kade 146
Jones, Liam 89
Kreuzer, Matthew 84
Fisher, Zac 52
Petrevski - Seton, Sam 37
Dow, Patrick 31
Thomas, Dale 10

We a much improved performance we still only had 10 players who for a mention. :(
Plowman had his best game for the year and attracted attention.

Progressives:
2579 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
1315 - Curnow, Edward (0)
966 - Thomas, Dale (0)
822 - Simpson, Kade (0)
755 - Fisher, Zac (0)
650 - Curnow, Charles (0)
559 - Kreuzer, Matthew (0)
332 - Jones, Liam (0)
297 - Murphy, Marc (0)
291 - Casboult, Levi (0)
269 - Wright, Matthew (0)
201 - Plowman, Lachlan (0)
180 - Petrevski - Seton, Sam (0)
169 - Marchbank, Caleb (0)
153 - Lamb, Jed (0)
137 - Graham, Nick (0)
128 - Kerridge, Sam (0)
102 - Phillips, Andrew (0)
91 - Rowe, Sam (0)
85 - Dow, Patrick (0)
71 - Cuningham, David (0)
58 - O'Brien, Lochie (0)
57 - McKay, Harrison (0)
54 - Garlett, Jarrod (0)
37 - Mullett, Aaron (0)
22 - Kennedy, Matthew (0)
14 - Silvagni, Jack (0)

This is Cripp's 5th BOG in 10 rounds. He has managed 1 lead of 1200 votes!

 
Live Long and Prosper!