Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017

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Talking Tactics - Our Forward Structure In 2017

September 13, 2016, 01:41:14 pm

Based on the fact that Casboult has signed a one-year extension, Jones has another year to go on his contract and young McKay is still learning the caper, I'm somewhat concerned about how we will structure up in 2017.

The forward-line is certainly one of our issues to be dealt with at a list management level but how do we improve on what we had this season essentially with the same forward personnel ??

Is it only a matter of bolstering the midfield platoon or is there something else we can do tactically to make it more potent ??

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Reply #1 – September 13, 2016, 01:49:56 pm

Casboult either in the goal square or on the wing / occasional ruck.

Jones CHF, Everitt 3rd tall, 2E as HFF, Wright and someone else (Mr Magoo?) as crumbers.

One big problem I see is that our F50 entries are too shallow - i.e too close to the 50 m arc. I want to see more run and carry from the players, especially the few who have pace, doing a lot more run and carry. The final ball movement that launches the ball into F50 must be closer to the F50 arc, so that the entry is deeper and closer to the goal square.

I want to see intense F50 pressure from our forwards. I want them to lock it in there as if their lives depend on it. If some of them actually focus more on the defensive aspects and less on kicking goals, I'd be happy with that. The ball comes out of our F50 far too easily.

EDIT - I haven't seen enough of the young kids to comment - so SOJ, Chuck C and Harry M might be substitutes for the above. That's for others to comment on.

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Reply #2 – September 13, 2016, 02:02:57 pm

Mckay at CHF, Patrick Kerr at FF, Jack in the pocket.....and leave them there for the season....the others wont be taking us anywhere...

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Reply #3 – September 13, 2016, 07:33:38 pm

Key forwards: Two of C.Curnow, McKay, Jaksch
2nd ruck: Casboult, he can ruck and provide that big body forward support for the youngsters
Plus SOS and a couple of runners

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Reply #4 – September 13, 2016, 07:53:16 pm

I think the way the fwd line functions needs to be rejigged to make it less predictable. Needs some seriously innovative/creative thinking over the summer. Would also like to see structures that alllow our fwds to get behind defenders and poach more goals more often.

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Reply #5 – September 13, 2016, 07:58:31 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on September 13, 2016, 07:53:16 pm

I think the way the fwd line functions needs to be rejigged to make it less predictable. Needs some seriously innovative/creative thinking over the summer. Would also like to see structures that alllow our fwds to get behind defenders and poach more goals more often.

The three amigos used to do plenty of that a few seasons back.

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Reply #6 – September 13, 2016, 08:01:55 pm

Further to my reply #1, I'd also be instructing guys like 2E (from time to time) to roost the ball at goal from the F50 arc. Talls in the goal square can either act as decoys or mark / bring the ball to ground, with crumbers doing their thing as required.

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Reply #7 – September 13, 2016, 08:42:03 pm

I'm a bit over the "Casboult does his best work as second ruck" line. He doesn't; his best work is done when he works up the ground from centre half forward. Furthermore, his knee injury probably means that he won't be able to pinch hit in the ruck again.

Our tall forward stocks are limited with McKay still to make his debut, Jaksch looking more and more like another list management blunder, Jones providing effort but not much return and Weitering and Rowe required down back. Casboult is our remaining forward option and our forward structure should capitalise on his marking strength while minimising reliance on his kicking for goal. He should play as a high forward with his main focus on getting possession outside the 50 and occupying the goal square when there's a set shot from the 50.

We have to play another tall forward, and that could be McKay, perhaps Gorringe, or someone who isn't on our list yet. Charlie Curnow has shown enough to be pencilled in as a lead up forward and SOJ has shown that he is what I would call an opportunistic forward able to score from leads, finding space, crumbing and defensive pressure. Wright is a very good small forward/midfielder but there's still a spot for a genuine crumbing forward and a specialist defensive forward. Sumner and Armfield are contenders but are not certainties. Finally, we need Cripps, Gibbs, Murphy, Kerridge, Ed Curnow, Everitt, Thomas (if he goes around again), Kreuzer and Phillips to have an impact when they go forward.

Apart from Casboult's kicking, the forwards need to learn some running patterns so that they can create space as well as getting behind the defenders to make it easier for our inside 50s to hit targets.

I would start off with:

Charlie Curnow Casboult to be determined/recruited

Silvagni to be determined/recruited Wright

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Reply #8 – September 14, 2016, 05:38:52 am

Quote from: DJC on September 13, 2016, 08:42:03 pm

I'm a bit over the "Casboult does his best work as second ruck" line. He doesn't; his best work is done when he works up the ground from centre half forward. Furthermore, his knee injury probably means that he won't be able to pinch hit in the ruck again.

Casboult's role was significantly different after he hurt his leg.

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Reply #9 – September 14, 2016, 07:53:58 am

Ever noticed how much attention Casboult gets? The opposition knows that if he gets a good run at the ball he will clunk it. Sometimes he is triple teamed when the ball comes in. We need to come up with some set plays that take advantage of this.

I don't know what the specific answer is, but if the opposition is going to exhibit predictable behaviour then maybe we can turn that into an advantage.

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Reply #10 – September 14, 2016, 07:58:01 am

Quote from: DJC on September 13, 2016, 08:42:03 pm

I'm a bit over the "Casboult does his best work as second ruck" line. He doesn't; his best work is done when he works up the ground from centre half forward. Furthermore, his knee injury probably means that he won't be able to pinch hit in the ruck again.

Well we agree on something!

Quote from: bobby on September 14, 2016, 07:53:58 am

Ever noticed how much attention Casboult gets? The opposition knows that if he gets a good run at the ball he will clunk it. Sometimes he is triple teamed when the ball comes in. We need to come up with some set plays that take advantage of this.

I don't know what the specific answer is, but if the opposition is going to exhibit predictable behaviour then maybe we can turn that into an advantage.

He needs to learn to use his bulk, for a guy who is 200cm x 100kg he's way to easy to offload, another reason why he is useless in the ruck. He should be hurting some of those guys who are beating up on him each week and they'll start to hesitate when they have to step into his line. Why do you think Mumford and Goldstein get a free run at the ball each stoppage, it's not because they are kind and gentle!

Casboult is almost Lockett size, how many would have had long AFL careers stepping in Lockett's way?

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Reply #11 – September 14, 2016, 10:21:54 am

I dont know why you would want him using his bulk.

Much better to let him have multiple opponents, and for us to hit the free player with the ball rather than aim for him, and he can just roam around getting the odd kick, and the odd get out of jail high ball in.

Its not like we have a plethora of crumbing forwards.

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Reply #12 – September 14, 2016, 10:49:01 am

Quote from: bobby on September 14, 2016, 07:53:58 am

Ever noticed how much attention Casboult gets? The opposition knows that if he gets a good run at the ball he will clunk it. Sometimes he is triple teamed when the ball comes in. We need to come up with some set plays that take advantage of this.

I don't know what the specific answer is, but if the opposition is going to exhibit predictable behaviour then maybe we can turn that into an advantage.

The opposition analysts must have a different view of Casboult's ability than some supporters have

I think that there are several angles to the opposition's focus on Casboult and the obvious response is kick it to someone else. However, having other genuine marking options will spread the defenders and force one on one competitions. Casboult's running patterns need work so that he can get free and playing him up the ground will draw defenders away from the contest. How the forward line is structured and functions needs some work and the delivery to the forwards has to change; don't just kick it on to Casboult's head.

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Reply #13 – September 14, 2016, 10:57:55 am

Quote from: LP on September 14, 2016, 07:58:01 am

Casboult is almost Lockett size, how many would have had long AFL careers stepping in Lockett's way?

Dunno but you could ask Peter Caven what that feels like

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Reply #14 – September 14, 2016, 11:32:54 am

Quote from: Thryleon on September 14, 2016, 10:21:54 am

I dont know why you would want him using his bulk.

Much better to let him have multiple opponents, and for us to hit the free player with the ball rather than aim for him, and he can just roam around getting the odd kick, and the odd get out of jail high ball in.

Its not like we have a plethora of crumbing forwards.

In a team that struggles to hit the side of a barn you cannot expect too much clean delivery.

We used to have crumbing forwards, they spent most of their time flying against the talls instead of getting front and square. Betts is better at Adelaide because he has reduced how much he flies for the ball. When he was at Carlton we would kick it over the likes of Kreuzer, Hampson and O'Hailpin to sit it on Bett's or Walker's head in the square, and we are not much better now!