What's The Real Story With Setanta?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:54 am

He played a sensational game V Freo then missed the following week with "soreness".
Apparently he'll be tested this week, but since when has it taken a player three weeks or more to recover from soreness?
I hope it's not the same injury that cost him half a season last year, the club sure isn't letting us know what's going on.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:57 am

Soreness is the real story.

He copped a knock from Fev against Essendon, only took it's toll until after the Freo game. Had scans on his lower back and hammy. He has a fairly big black bruise on his lower back, just needs time to heal.

Peter Dean Joined: Aug 11, 2008 Posts: 1103

Just ask Ted Richards.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:14 am

MrHanky wrote:

Just ask Ted Richards.

You're not blaming Fev for the Ted Richards incident are you?

Peter Dean Joined: Aug 11, 2008 Posts: 1103

bluesgirl wrote:

MrHanky wrote:

Just ask Ted Richards.

You're not blaming Fev for the Ted Richards incident are you?

Of course not. I'm saying a knee in the back like that can cuase a lot of damage. I'm not surprised Setanta has been out for this long.

***HALL OF FAME*** Joined: Mar 19, 2004 Posts: 11956

Mr Hanky no doubt isn't blaming Fev for the Richards injury, but you better believe that there are non-Carlton supporters who do. There are some whackers who try to whip up hostility on call-back with repeated calls. Save your breath guys, that's part of the armoury of the full-forward. The one-knee up is a basic skill as taught at Auskick level, and full-forwards are entitled to use it to protect themselves and move the defender out of position. As long as they keep their eyes on the ball and make realistic attempts to mark, that's cool. Apart from self-protection, it's an obvious way of disciplining loose defenders who fill holes or make it their mission to back back into the full-forward's path with fists flung in the full-forward's general direction.

If opposition coaches don't want their players injured, then playing one-on-one in defence might be the way to go. It's a bit like when a short-midwicket is sent in to create pressure, or an opponent stands at the net in front of you when you're about to do a smash in tennis. While it might not be cool to try to hit such an opponent, you're quite entitled to ignore their welfare when you hit a full-blooded shot.

I'm just happy that Fev has decided to use the opposition as step-ladders rather than his team mates. And I want to see him use the same tactics against his mates at other clubs, such as Chris Newman. He shouldn't play favourites.

***HALL OF FAME*** Joined: Mar 19, 2004 Posts: 11956

Hmmm ... times have changed. I can't believe I just sidetracked a thread about Santy by discussing Fev instead Laughing

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:46 am

Mav wrote:

Hmmm ... times have changed. I can't believe I just sidetracked a thread about Santy by discussing Fev instead Laughing

TBH, I read half way through your first paragraph, stopped and skimmed the rest and noticed there was no mention of Setanta. Then continued on reading Razz

In all seriousness though, I think Setanta's injury is just one of those wait and see injuries. Can't pin point a time because you don't know how quick the bruising will heel.

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I don't think he has a problem taking out his mates Mav, just have to ask Santy Wink

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:53 am

teagueyubeauty wrote:

I don't think he has a problem taking out his mates Mav, just have to ask Santy Wink

Didn't he break Lance's shoulder a few years back Question

***HALL OF FAME*** Joined: Mar 19, 2004 Posts: 11956

And Fisher's cheekbone - was it once or twice?

I fear that they aren't completely accidental. He's enforcing what he regards as his right of way. His reaction after knocking Santy over as he was about to take the mark was simply to gesture that he was running straight at the ball on the lead, and there was no apology.

Justin 'Harry' Madden Joined: Oct 18, 2007 Posts: 4174

He's Irish.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:00 pm

Mav wrote:

And Fisher's cheekbone - was it once or twice?

I fear that they aren't completely accidental. He's enforcing what he regards as his right of way. His reaction after knocking Santy over as he was about to take the mark was simply to gesture that he was running straight at the ball on the lead, and there was no apology.

So you have a problem with Fev cannoning into O'Hailpin in play but have no problem with O'Hailpin king hitting Cloke and booting him up the clacker when he's down? Laughing

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madbluboy wrote:

Mav wrote:

And Fisher's cheekbone - was it once or twice?

I fear that they aren't completely accidental. He's enforcing what he regards as his right of way. His reaction after knocking Santy over as he was about to take the mark was simply to gesture that he was running straight at the ball on the lead, and there was no apology.

So you have a problem with Fev cannoning into O'Hailpin in play but have no problem with O'Hailpin king hitting Cloke and booting him up the clacker when he's down? Laughing

King Hit??

Jack Wrout Joined: Jun 07, 2005 Posts: 4409

The sooner we get Santy back the better, vital cog at CHF IMO. Hope Fev leaves his knees for the opp, ala Teddy Richards, and not Irish or other Navy Bluebaggers. Maybe Cam Cloke is an exception. Wink

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:44 pm

madbluboy wrote:

Mav wrote:

And Fisher's cheekbone - was it once or twice?

I fear that they aren't completely accidental. He's enforcing what he regards as his right of way. His reaction after knocking Santy over as he was about to take the mark was simply to gesture that he was running straight at the ball on the lead, and there was no apology.

So you have a problem with Fev cannoning into O'Hailpin in play but have no problem with O'Hailpin king hitting Cloke and booting him up the clacker when he's down? Laughing

There's been far too much made of that already.
Both players have moved on, we all should.

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First, it wasn't a king-hit, at least if you regard that as a blow struck to someone who isn't watching and/or capable of defending himself. It was a blow struck during a physical altercation that was escalating.

If you recall, I said that it was wrong and regrettable, particularly the kick. Where opinions diverged was the way the club and the AFL should react to it.

But it was an isolated incident outside the structure of the game, whereas Fev's was within the context of the game. The issue is one of co-ordination between the forwards. We've bemoaned the fact that Fev has been our only real marking forward and therefore he attracts a cluster of defenders. We've hoped for someone to stand up and provide another avenue to goal while drawing defenders away from Fev. To ensure that this works, Fev must be willing to give up the idea that he should be the target of kicks entering the 50. He has to be willing to co-operate with other forwards in creating space for them, drawing defenders away from them from time to time as a decoy, and protecting them as they mark. If he thinks that he's entitled to contest the mark with a fellow forward who has the sit, heaven help us. Point blank - he did the wrong thing when he took out Santy as he was about to mark the ball. It hurt us as the ball spilled and was immediately swept up the other end. It hurt us as he stopped Santy from influencing the game as he had done in the 1st quarter. And he hurt us by putting him out of the last 2 games, but we were fortunate that we were able to win anyway. I'd imagine that he's been told as much privately.

Fev has much to gain by helping other tall forwards become credible threats. Even if from time to time they chip in to take marks and kick goals when he could have done it himself, he'll benefit from spreading the defenders over time.

Alex Marcou Joined: Aug 04, 2005 Posts: 816

I've heard conflicting stories again about our Mystery Irishman

One was he was still peeing blood after the Freo game and there are concerns over damage to his kidneys

the other was that there is the mother of all bruises on his lower back that has caused him to get tightness in his Hamstrings which they don't want to risk

The other is that he was sore last week but they are giving him another week off so Cam baby Cloke can make a triumphant return against his old side based on a few quality games in the ANTS

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madbluboy wrote:

Mav wrote:

And Fisher's cheekbone - was it once or twice?

I fear that they aren't completely accidental. He's enforcing what he regards as his right of way. His reaction after knocking Santy over as he was about to take the mark was simply to gesture that he was running straight at the ball on the lead, and there was no apology.

So you have a problem with Fev cannoning into O'Hailpin in play but have no problem with O'Hailpin king hitting Cloke and booting him up the clacker when he's down? Laughing

I do. Setanta was killing Lovett-Murray that night, no actually he was obliterating him that night.

Messed up what was a very high probability at a shot at goal with the incident making Setanta pretty much a non contributor for the rest of the night.

Not saying it would have changed the result BUT he was giving Knights plenty of headaches. After that all Knights had to was shut down Fev. Before that Setanta was making Fev's job that much easier for him.

The "incident" was in an intraclub, with provocation and a history before they went out onto the ground.

I don't mind Fev using the knees because he openly tells the opposition that if they get in his way then he'll take them out (Daniel Pratt for instance), just don't use them to take out your own player especially when they're in a position to take a mark. Just do the team thing and stop his opponent from getting to the contest. In the end that's all Fev had to do.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:07 pm

Your middle one is right there SB, but I also suggested somewhere else that troubles in your lower back can also do some damage to your kidneys. Considering it was a fairly hard knock I think that there is some damage there, or atleast pain.

Peter Dean Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 1161

bluesgirl wrote:

Mav wrote:

Hmmm ... times have changed. I can't believe I just sidetracked a thread about Santy by discussing Fev instead Laughing

TBH, I read half way through your first paragraph, stopped and skimmed the rest and noticed there was no mention of Setanta. Then continued on reading Razz

In all seriousness though, I think Setanta's injury is just one of those wait and see injuries. Can't pin point a time because you don't know how quick the bruising will heel.

Spot on as usual BG.

Mav: You don't try and hit silly midwicket because if it bounces off his head and up in the air you can get caught. Wink

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If you aim at the other head, TG, then you could make the point fairly safely (for yourself that is).

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:33 pm

Blue4Life wrote:

He played a sensational game V Freo then missed the following week with "soreness".
Apparently he'll be tested this week, but since when has it taken a player three weeks or more to recover from soreness?
I hope it's not the same injury that cost him half a season last year, the club sure isn't letting us know what's going on.

Mate 3 weeks ago today I landed on my upper back/neck crushing ligaments around the neck. Last weekend was the first time I could kick and handball with the kids and still cannot raise my hands sharply above my head or carry anything heavy and I am 95% healed. I am not sure if you have experienced back/neck injuries, but they take a hell of a long time to heal and I am stunned he played against Fremantle, that shows and unimaginable will to push through the pain barrier.

Often in these injuries you will crush/sprain ligaments and after the bruising the back muscles will go into "lock down" mode to protect the injured area a "spasm" if you like. This will cause sharp pain with movement in the area until such time as the body indicates that the affected area has recovered and your muscles relax and go back to their primary function of movement.

I would suggest it is very likely that he really is experiencing "soreness" to the region he copped the blow and that he will be back in this week or next. The question will be whether or not he comes straight back in or spends one week in the twos. Either way I think he will be back in the Blue sooner rather than later going on his form against Essendon and Fremantle.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:55 pm

Sounds like Setanta forgot to have his ice bath after Fev mangled him.
I hope he is OK: he managed to come back from a whole pile of things, but he hasn't had a great run any time in his career. A while without any injuries or incidents or whatnots and a couple of good strong games (like the Freo game) will do him (and us) the world of good.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:01 pm

Mav wrote:

First, it wasn't a king-hit, at least if you regard that as a blow struck to someone who isn't watching and/or capable of defending himself. It was a blow struck during a physical altercation that was escalating.

If you recall, I said that it was wrong and regrettable, particularly the kick. Where opinions diverged was the way the club and the AFL should react to it.

I deem any punch on the field (and especially in intra club) that is not in retaliation to a kick or a punch a 'king hit'.

If you said what O'Hailpin did was wrong then I'm sorry I got that one totally wrong.

As for the Fev incident I think he could have been smarter about it and I agree with everything you have said except the bit where you allude to him doing it on purpose.