Originally put down for Sunday at Preston, this game is now at Ikon, starting after the girl's game.
NORTHERN BLUES v. WILLIAMSTOWN
Round 15 – 15/07/2018 02:00PM
IKON Park
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 13. C. O’Shea, 44. C. Byrne
HB: 29. J. Hill, 35. M. Stavrou, 51. A. Mullett
C: 24. F. Pearce, 1. T. Wilson, 57. E. Penrith
HF: 14. J. Lynch, 30. P. Kerr, 3. J. Palmer
F: 10. J. Johnston, 15. L. Casboult, 22. C. McCabe
R: 36. M. Lobbe, 9. S. Fisher, 32. N. Graham
Int: 11. A. Federico, 38. K. LeBois, 12. B. Myers, 49. A. Schumacher, 16. J. Velissaris
23P: 58. J. Naylor
Williamstown
B: 18. J. Greiser, 17. J. Charleston, 21. J. Tippett
HB: 29. L. Bramble, 40. L. Buckwell, 31. B. Monk
C: 11. J. Dorgan, 16. B. Bewley, 4. B. Jolley
HF: 19. D. Kempster, 5. L. Schultz, 7. N. Rodda
F: 3. S. Dunell, 10. L. Masters, 22. J. Pickess
R: 49. N. Meese, 6. M. Gibbons, 2. B. Cavarra
Int: 33. L. Carter, 8. P. Faulks, 12. L. George, 9. A. Marcon, 35. B. Myers, 20. M. Norton, 1. J. Pongracic, 13. T. Schnerring
23P: 30. F. Carroll
In: T. Schnerring, D. Kempster, L. Bramble, M. Norton, F. Carroll, P. Faulks, L. Carter
Out: J. Jones, N. Ebinger, T. Young
Hopefully the Baby Blues can show the reasonable form from the last two weeks. Willi are a mature side, but they are not unbeatable.
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Levi would want to have a decent game...he is looking very trade bait like.
Levi would want to have a decent game...he is looking very trade bait like.
And what would he be worth??
A third or fourth rounder at best. Better off keeping him.
He's worth more to us than he is to anyone else.
And what would he be worth??
A third or fourth rounder at best. Better off keeping him.
He's worth more to us than he is to anyone else.
A third rounder puts him in Caleb Daniel drafting Territory or Mitch Robinson.
Being a bit creative we might hypothetically use Levi to move forward in the draft by swapping our second rounder from Adelaide to a first rounder from Richmond which makes it worth while.
You just never know.
And what would he be worth??
A third or fourth rounder at best. Better off keeping him.
He's worth more to us than he is to anyone else.
Not only is he contracted for 2019, he can't get a game in the worst performed team since Fitzroy.
His value on the open market is zero.
Not only is he contracted for 2019, he can't get a game in the worst performed team since Fitzroy.
His value on the open market is zero.
...and plays in a position where our next most experienced player has played 40 games.
...and the next 2 after that have 12 between them.
:-[
Is it just me or is it amazing that a third of the side were regulars in the seniors in the last 2 months?
Is it just me or is it amazing that a third of the side were regulars in the seniors in the last 2 months?
It isn't you.
It shows how poorly those blokes are travelling.
Is it just me or is it amazing that a third of the side were regulars in the seniors in the last 2 months?
Does that mean we have an "even" list ? It's "even" worse than we thought! :o
Is it just me or is it amazing that a third of the side were regulars in the seniors in the last 2 months?
Who are the "third" of the side?
By my reckoning O'Shea, Mullett and Casboult could be considered regulars in the last 2 months. Graham at a pinch. Kerr not a regular and Byrne not in the last 2 months. Even allowing
all of them it is just above a quarter (6/23). None of the others have ever played for Carlton.
Your point is not unreasonable, but well over-exaggerated.
Clearly Levi has not fully recovered from the broken ribs he received against Adelaide a few weeks ago. But as the saying goes, when you cross that white line, you are 100% fit.
Clearly Levi has not fully recovered from the broken ribs he received against Adelaide a few weeks ago. But as the saying goes, when you cross that white line, you are 100% fit.
The ribs would be fine, it would be the compound dislocation the week before that would have him hesitant. It's never nice to see your own bones protruding from your body!
The ribs would be fine, it would be the compound dislocation the week before that would have him hesitant. It's never nice to see your own bones protruding from your body!
Which makes us wonder why bring him back for the game that last game?
Which makes us wonder why bring him back for the game that last game?
Perhaps it was more of this concept of adversity being good for player development!
But at the moment, adversity at Carlton is like being left as the last bloke holding the fort after the army has fecked off! :o
That's probably a good analogy for how Jones and Weitering felt at times last weekend!
Live stream from 2pm today.
http://vfl.com.au/vfl-live-vfl-video-stream/
Live stream from 2pm today.
http://vfl.com.au/vfl-live-vfl-video-stream/
Ripper, thank you, Squire. :)
Thanks for the link Krud but I don't think I'll be watching for long. :'(
As difficult to watch as our AFL side :-[
Live stream from 2pm today.
http://vfl.com.au/vfl-live-vfl-video-stream/
Thank you!
Finally a goal just before q1 siren
Finally got a goal! Mullet.
Every time we go forward there in often NO-ONE in the forward 50. How does that happen?
Levi's kicking skills don't seem to have improved in the last fortnight, very good goal on the run by Mullet.
We're being outclassed.
8 - 39. Set up for yet another slaughtering.
Hope they can change things up. We look like we're in another grade to this mob.
We're looking a bit better after seeming to be gone for all money, I wish the seniors could come back when a side gets on top.
A bit of brilliance from Byrne.
Look more organized in q2.
Byrne shows some zip and classy delivery.
Some comically inept football now from the NB's.
Finally got a goal! Mullet.
Every time we go forward there in often NO-ONE in the forward 50. How does that happen?
Has to be some coaching aspect, same the seniors , happens to often, goes against all the understanding I have , win a game kick a goal, no forwards no goal, can't be that hard surely
Some comically inept football now from the NB's.
I'm seeing why the like of McKay are much better of developing in the seniors. Being a forward is a nightmare at the NBs, not that too much better at Carlton.
Same players are crap in the ones, crap in the twos, where's Casboult the saviour?
Same players are crap in the ones, crap in the twos, where's Casboult the saviour?
He'll have to play full back if he wants a kick...lol.
At this rate they'll be no grass left at the Lygon St. end.
He'll have to play full back if he wants a kick...lol.
At this rate they'll be no grass left at the Lygon St. end.
He just took a strong mark, went back and kicked it straight down Willy's throat.
Kerr's game has been solid, Levi's a spud Laj.
Same players are crap in the ones, crap in the twos, where's Casboult the saviour?
The NB's are all crap.....just rubbish football.....Kerr at least provides some physicality and is the more promising of the bunch IMO.
Your man Ben Cavarra is an interesting player, better player than Lebois IMO and I think as a rookie he could be value, shame he is so small.....
He just took a strong mark, went back and kicked it straight down Willy's throat.
Kerr's game has been solid, Levi's a spud Laj.
He's never been a spud. Average player, great mark but limited. Don't play 103 games, even at Carlton, unless you have some ability.
Anyway, I'd say we'll go with McKay now. I like what I see of him.
Yes think Levi might find it tough to get back as a forward if MacKay & Kerr show some form, with our Ruck situation as it is he might find himself there though
He's never been a spud. Average player, great mark but limited. Don't play 103 games, even at Carlton, unless you have some ability.
Anyway, I'd say we'll go with McKay now. I like what I see of him.
Spud was probably a bit harsh, a very average player.
Kerr's been OK today, I don't rate him highly but he'd get a game before Levi if I was picking the side.
Our setup around stoppages is unbelievable, we leave holes everywhere while three of our players stand on the same side getting in each others way.
Who is coaching these players?
OShea has been pantsed by Rodda from Willy........
Levi been poor, no interest and I reckon he knows he might be trade bait.....
A lot of players look like they can't wait till the end of the season already, but you would think a spot on the list would be enough to keep them interested. Maybe the doom & gloom is seeping in or has been for a while
Just checked on twitter : 98-59. Bugger.
Northern Blues 9 - 5 - 59
Williamstown 14 - 14 - 98
Goals: Graham 2, le Bois 2, McCabe 2, Lobbe, Mullett, Wilson
How was Lobbe?? Is he ready to step up this week??
How was Lobbe?? Is he ready to step up this week??
Lobbe was reasonable. think he went off under the blood rule and had to get some treatment but did ok when he came back on.
Would be in our better players IMO not that we had many.....
Nothing of stand out there today.
Generally poor structures, lack of run, general disinterest from many players. Coach all you like, they can't run or tackle for the blokes out there, I've not seen a Fraser coached team look so disorganised, so I cannot blame the coach!
The usual suspects, lots of footy for players like Graham and Mullett highlighted by awful ball use and even worse decision making. Players like O'Shea on multiple occasions kicking to a static Le Bois surrounded by three Willi defenders.
Very little work ethic from Levi, that's about all I can say and I was hoping and expecting some dominance.
Plenty of work ethic from Kerr but awful disposal and decision making.
Lobbe average before being bandaged up, OK after that but little or no impact on the result.
Byrne, little of no impact.
Best players were probably not AFL listed players, not what you want to see when AFL spots are clearly up for grab, nobody looks like they want to be in our AFL side! :o
Fine.... Go at half rat power.... The out door is on your right.
Quickly sorting out who isn't going to be here next year.
They were all giving it their best shot as far as I could tell but they were hopelessly undermanned, the only two who looked above the level were Byrne and Kerr.
Graham, Casboult, O'Shea and Mullet had a crack but they aren't anything startling at the best of times and when the team is being spanked they don't look any better.
Shaumaker (?) kicks it well and shows a bit of promise, Le Bois has skill but doesn't get the ball, that he battles away is about the best you can say about Lobbe.
It was never going to be pretty.
I feel for Graham, he works hard and win heaps of the footy, but the lad cannot hit a barn from arms-length away even when he is under zero pressure!
Anyone watching the replay will need a calculator to tally the number of times our guys missed open targets at barely a legal kicking distance away, even when under no immediate physical pressure. How so many 15m passes regularly bounce in front of the target is just beyond me, even if the kicker is standing still or walking backwards we should expect and demand far more from AFL listed individuals, it is just unacceptable and has become a joke!
Are we better off with a player that gets the ball half as much but hits targets?
As an aside, another blight on our player development, the lack of players capable on both sides of their body is a joke! The stupid outside foot kicks rarely come off, they are highlight reel bullcrap that works once in a dozen attempts! How can it be that full-time trained AFL listed players cannot kick a 15m pass on their non-preferred leg?
Our foot skills yesterday bordered on criminal, Byrne and Wilson were the only exceptions.
It isn't only our senior listed players, the VFL is second only to the AFL in the country and anyone playing at that level should have the basics covered.
I'm told that there were half a dozen or so who have been playing VFL seconds but that still leaves 16 or 17 players who should do better.
I thought that Kerr's kicking in general play was OK but three points from three set shots isn't good enough.
Nevertheless the senior experience seems to have done him good, he presents well, butters up and generally looks as though he wants to be involved.
Our foot skills yesterday bordered on criminal, Byrne and Wilson were the only exceptions.
It isn't only our senior listed players, the VFL is second only to the AFL in the country and anyone playing at that level should have the basics covered.
I'm told that there were half a dozen or so who have been playing VFL seconds but that still leaves 16 or 17 players who should do better.
I thought that Kerr's kicking in general play was OK but three points from three set shots isn't good enough.
Nevertheless the senior experience seems to have done him good, he presents well, butters up and generally looks as though he wants to be involved.
Agree on Kerr, his kicking was poor but he has one thing none of our young kids have and thats physical presence, he gets into the opposition, likes a push and shove
and creates a bit of worry when he attacks the footy. I really want him back in the seniors working with Mckay and Charlie...thats the future and they all offer something different.
If you are a forward in the NB's you dont get much help as the forward entries are woeful and hitting targets is rare.....
Wilson is a goer, pity he doesnt have that extra yard or a bit more size......Byrne looked better than most but has that odd brain fade down back.....Oshea tries but got flogged by Rodda and Mullet is next to useless.
Ben Cavarra from Willy has a few more tricks than Wilson and I'd think about him as a rookie....quicker and has that happy knack of kicking goals with that nice left foot he has.
Agree on Kerr, his kicking was poor but he has one thing none of our young kids have and thats physical presence, he gets into the opposition, likes a push and shove and creates a bit of worry when he attacks the footy. I really want him back in the seniors working with Mckay and Charlie...thats the future and they all offer something different.
Yep, this is one of the reason I like the idea of the mature ager to show them the way, it's why I was so keen on McDonald.
Now I'm not sure who is a possible, but we need to get on with finding someone!
I'm dead set paranoid about leaving our kids go too long with poor role models leading the way!
Agree on Kerr, his kicking was poor but he has one thing none of our young kids have and thats physical presence, he gets into the opposition, likes a push and shove
and creates a bit of worry when he attacks the footy. I really want him back in the seniors working with Mckay and Charlie...thats the future and they all offer something different.
If you are a forward in the NB's you dont get much help as the forward entries are woeful and hitting targets is rare.....
Wilson is a goer, pity he doesnt have that extra yard or a bit more size......Byrne looked better than most but has that odd brain fade down back.....Oshea tries but got flogged by Rodda and Mullet is next to useless.
Ben Cavarra from Willy has a few more tricks than Wilson and I'd think about him as a rookie....quicker and has that happy knack of kicking goals with that nice left foot he has.
I know you're not sold on Byrne but he looked a cut above to me yesterday, one particular piece of his play was right out of the top draw.
Kerr doesn't have the same raw talent but I was still impressed, his second efforts and attitude look to be what are required and his skills aren't shabby.
Shumaker and DeKoning the jury is out, there's no hurry in my opinion.
Even though Graham is limited I'd still have him in the seniors on Sunday ahead of Polson and Pickett.
I know you're not sold on Byrne but he looked a cut above to me yesterday, one particular piece of his play was right out of the top draw.
Kerr doesn't have the same raw talent but I was still impressed, his second efforts and attitude look to be what are required and his skills aren't shabby.
Shumaker and DeKoning the jury is out, there's no hurry in my opinion.
Even though Graham is limited I'd still have him in the seniors on Sunday ahead of Polson and Pickett.
They missed DE Koning yesterday, not as a ruck, but he offers a real contest up forward as a marking target. Overhead he looks better than both McKay and Kerr, I think as a contested mark he's shows potential to be the equal of Levi at a game for game stage. But in terms of physicality De Koning is well behind the others.
We could well play De Koning in the AFL as a skinny tall running wingmen!
That is a suggestion with merit.
They missed DE Koning yesterday, not as a ruck, but he offers a real contest up forward as a marking target. Overhead he looks better than both McKay and Kerr, I think as a contested mark he's shows potential to be the equal of Levi at a game for game stage. But in terms of physicality De Koning is well behind the others.
We could well play De Koning in the AFL as a skinny tall running wingmen!
De Koning is still getting over the lacerated kidney mentally and getting his confidence back to become more physical, was a bad injury, having numpties from the burbs jumping into your back after that type of injury isnt easy to deal with every weekend. Good kid is TDK and I expect his chance to come later this year or next season.......
Northern Blues: 1.2-8 4.3-27 6.3-39 9.5-59
Williamstown: 6.3-39 7.8-50 12.12-84 14.14-98
Northern Blues
Goal Kickers: C. McCabe 2, N. Graham 2, K. LeBois 2, M. Lobbe, A. Mullett, T. Wilson
Best Players: J. Hill, M. Lobbe, N. Graham, C. Byrne, J. Palmer, C. McCabe
Williamstown
Goal Kickers: N. Rodda 5, B. Cavarra 2, S. Dunell 2, L. Masters 2, M. Norton, J. Pickess, A. Marcon
Best Players: M. Gibbons, J. Tippett, B. Cavarra, S. Dunell, L. Buckwell, L. Schultz
Northern Blues: 1.2-8 4.3-27 6.3-39 9.5-59
Williamstown: 6.3-39 7.8-50 12.12-84 14.14-98
Northern Blues
Goal Kickers: C. McCabe 2, N. Graham 2, K. LeBois 2, M. Lobbe, A. Mullett, T. Wilson
Best Players: J. Hill, M. Lobbe, N. Graham, C. Byrne, J. Palmer, C. McCabe
Williamstown
Goal Kickers: N. Rodda 5, B. Cavarra 2, S. Dunell 2, L. Masters 2, M. Norton, J. Pickess, A. Marcon
Best Players: M. Gibbons, J. Tippett, B. Cavarra, S. Dunell, L. Buckwell, L. Schultz
I had a beer with Sam Dunell on Friday night at the game in a corporate box. Nice guy.
I'm dead set paranoid about leaving our kids go too long with poor role models leading the way!
X2
Northern Blues: 1.2-8 4.3-27 6.3-39 9.5-59
Williamstown: 6.3-39 7.8-50 12.12-84 14.14-98
Northern Blues
Goal Kickers: C. McCabe 2, N. Graham 2, K. LeBois 2, M. Lobbe, A. Mullett, T. Wilson
Best Players: J. Hill, M. Lobbe, N. Graham, C. Byrne, J. Palmer, C. McCabe
Williamstown
Goal Kickers: N. Rodda 5, B. Cavarra 2, S. Dunell 2, L. Masters 2, M. Norton, J. Pickess, A. Marcon
Best Players: M. Gibbons, J. Tippett, B. Cavarra, S. Dunell, L. Buckwell, L. Schultz
Wonders if Gibbons might get some more attention this draft period.....Casboults man was J Tippett so not a good game for Levi.
I'm liking Cavarra, consistent, has some tricks and kicks goals...
De Koning is still getting over the lacerated kidney mentally and getting his confidence back to become more physical, was a bad injury.
Andrew McKay reported a hamstring for DeKoning and a week away. A long way fro a lacerated kidney!! Who’s playing games here??
Andrew McKay reported a hamstring for DeKoning and a week away. A long way fro a lacerated kidney!! Who’s playing games here??
Had the lacerated kidney when he played TAC, was a bad injury and took a while to heal and my comment was more in regard TDK getting the confidence to be more physical and getting used to having players jump into your back. My sons girlfriend worked with his mum who was a primary teacher and I know via that connection that injury knocked him around badly..
Had the lacerated kidney when he played TAC, was a bad injury and took a while to heal and my comment was more in regard TDK getting the confidence to be more physical and getting used to having players jump into your back. My sons girlfriend worked with his mum who was a primary teacher and I know via that connection that injury knocked him around badly..
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