We play Hawthorn next Sunday at Etihad. Based on what we produced last night, it will not be a pleasant time.
I doubt that Kreuzer will play, which leaves us very short of ruckmen. If Lobbe does even reasonably tomorrow, he will make his Carlton debut.
We play Hawthorn next Sunday at Etihad. Based on what we produced last night, it will not be a pleasant time.
I doubt that Kreuzer will play, which leaves us very short of ruckmen. If Lobbe does even reasonably tomorrow, he will make his Carlton debut.
I may leave the country for a few days!
I'll make a prediction about the VFL tomorrow and AFL next week.
Casboult will come out tomorrow and play against "The Children of the VFL" like he's a freaking Godzilla!
The MC will bubble with pride, and he'll be straight back in against the Dawks in the absence of Kreuzer who might not play again this season.
Next week Casboult will play against "The Men of the AFL" like he's suffering a heart arrhythmia, and erase what little if any trade value he has remaining!
I hope the club leaves Levi in the VFL dominating against boys, makes him look as good as possible to any potential suitor, then gets as much for him as they can in trade week! I wonder if that actually happened, would the media will pose front page questions about why Levi isn't getting a game, would they be writing backhanded accusations of tanking?
It's time everyone with an agenda set it aside for a moment.
Even with Casboult giving us nothing we are a better side with him in it than out of it.
No ifs buts or maybes.
The same applies to Kreuzer, but he leaves us playing a man down too frequently.
It's time everyone with an agenda set it aside for a moment.
Even with Casboult giving us nothing we are a better side with him in it than out of it.
No ifs buts or maybes.
The same applies to Kreuzer, but he leaves us playing a man down too frequently.
I've written before, reluctantly, that time might be up for Kreuzer as well. Even though it will hurt he and Levi are unlikely to take us forward. When fit Kreuzer is as good as any, when fit!
If we are too set on retaining players like that, we may as well trade Charlie and Cripps, because their careers will be wasted while we wait for the tide to turn on the careers of Kreuzer and Levi!
Carlton needs to get aggressive, or get out of the pool, we've become accustomed to swimming in other peoples sh1t!
Pick your selves up, dust yourselves off and load up again. There is no option.
It's time everyone with an agenda set it aside for a moment.
Even with Casboult giving us nothing we are a better side with him in it than out of it.
No ifs buts or maybes.
The same applies to Kreuzer, but he leaves us playing a man down too frequently.
I've been calling for Casboult to be replaced/upgraded for a while now.
At the same time, i've also suggested given where we are and who we have available, he has to play.
There was always going to come a time where the kids were going to start pushing him out of the side. We all thought it would be some kid breaking through ala Curnowfides. Instead it comes with a bit each way That is...
McKay becoming physically ready for AFL football
and
Casboults output dropping off to basically nothing.
So basically, Casboult either plays this week as the sole ruckman, or we leave him in the 2's and let McKay get a run at it out of the casboult shadow.
I've been calling for Casboult to be replaced/upgraded for a while now.
At the same time, i've also suggested given where we are and who we have available, he has to play.
There was always going to come a time where the kids were going to start pushing him out of the side. We all thought it would be some kid breaking through ala Curnowfides. Instead it comes with a bit each way That is...
McKay becoming physically ready for AFL football
and
Casboults output dropping off to basically nothing.
So basically, Casboult either plays this week as the sole ruckman, or we leave him in the 2's and let McKay get a run at it out of the casboult shadow.
Reckon Lobbe might get a game this week if he does ok in the NB's......probably dont want Harry rucking.....
Reckon Lobbe might get a game this week if he does ok in the NB's......probably dont want Harry rucking.....
I wonder what Roos would think of Charlie rucking ?
Why is everyone focussing on Charlie rucking?
We had Cripps rucking as well.
Why is everyone focussing on Charlie rucking?
We had Cripps rucking as well.
Because Cripps could stuff his knee and return and be the same player...
I wonder what Roos would think of Charlie rucking ?
Madness IMO....Jones was the best alternative , at least he provided a degree of mayhem in the middle......
Hickey was going to win most of the tapouts anyway, why fight it by risking your star players , better to adopt a strategy to be on the end of those hitouts.......
Yep, my thoughts too
Who is our midfield and stoppage coach?
Because Cripps could stuff his knee and return and be the same player...
Not all players recover from knee injuries, regardless of the type of player they are.
Who is our midfield and stoppage coach?
Clarke Midfield, Amos Stoppages
Clarke Midfield, Amos Stoppages
Amos did well last night...Saints would have scored 4-5 easy goals from stoppages around goal.......
Amos did well last night...Saints would have scored 4-5 easy goals from stoppages around goal.......
On radio post match they said that was 4 or 5 times the AFL average!
On radio post match they said that was 4 or 5 times the AFL average!
We are setting all sorts of new records this season....... :P :-X :(
We are setting all sorts of new records this season....... :P :-X :(
We have to laugh, or we'll cry! ;D
We've, that is the executive and MC, have done this to our club deliberately!
Is this our fault, or are we victims of the system?
Not all players recover from knee injuries, regardless of the type of player they are.
True enough, but I’d rather spring/leap players like Charlie keep their knees intact for as long as possible.
As good as the surgeons are nowadays they’re doing a repair...
True enough, but I’d rather spring/leap players like Charlie keep their knees intact for as long as possible.
As good as the surgeons are nowadays they’re doing a repair...
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just suggested we are equally at fault for risking Cripps in the same role.
They will probably be without McEvoy again so it will be the battle of 2 B graders.
I may leave the country for a few days!
Scores and even games can be streamed on many international flights these days, so choose carefully!
Imagine being trapped in a flying can watching that for hours on end, it'd be like living a real life version of A Clockwork Orange!
Perhaps we should have taken a leaf out of the Crows pre-season, a replayed our Lions game highlights over and over all that way back on the flight from Brissie. Perhaps we did! :o It could explain Kreuzer, it would fork up even the strongest human!
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just suggested we are equally at fault for risking Cripps in the same role.
Ditto here, Jones/Rowe would be the preference for me.
I can see what rucking Cripps and Charlie could do for the midfield, ie getting more pace in there for a start.
I wonder if they’ve actually had the conversation with Jones about where HE wants to play ?
I’m sure he’ll play wherever he’s wanted, but maybe he could be a competitor in the ruck and really contribute around the ground ? That might also allow Weitering to settle...
We can't play Pickett and Polson this week and retain any credibility.
We can't play Pickett and Polson this week and retain any credibility.
At least 2 changes with Kruezer and Lamb, throw in Polson then we have to find 3 replacements!! Lobbe, Byrne and raffle the third place.
At least 2 changes with Kruezer and Lamb, throw in Polson then we have to find 3 replacements!! Lobbe, Byrne and raffle the third place.
This touches on a point in the other thread, where we simply can't get a consistent starting 18 to save ourselves.
This touches on a point in the other thread, where we simply can't get a consistent starting 18 to save ourselves.
I think Bolts and the match committee conceded weeks ago that the back six (rotating eight) is nothing like it could or should be (no Docherty, Williamson, Byrne, Marchbank, even ASOS). Rowe has come off a reco (bloody hard for a big guy) and Jones needs to play opponents a certain way. Regularly playing Mullet, Shaw, O’Shea and Daisy (every week) was not part of the game plan! Simmo needs to stay one more year to help Doc direct traffic, next year or get McVeigh in to play across half back.
At least 2 changes with Kruezer and Lamb, throw in Polson then we have to find 3 replacements!! Lobbe, Byrne and raffle the third place.
Pickett was very poor for the second week running and simply doesn't deserve a senior game, Graham will give us more.
If we need to make four changes so be it, Byrne should be a walk up start provided he gets through the VFL unscathed and Weitering might be good to play.
Mullet at a pinch but non contributors need to know that a certain level is required and that it's not negotiable.
Pickett was very poor for the second week running and simply doesn't deserve a senior game, Graham will give us more.
If we need to make four changes so be it, Byrne should be a walk up start provided he gets through the VFL unscathed and Weitering might be good to play.
Mullet at a pinch but non contributors need to know that a certain level is required and that it's not negotiable.
Graham will give us more, but he won't be around next year, when Pickett probably will. So persist with Pickett...who BTW missed over half the season being injured, so forgive him if he is still trying to work himself into AFL level. FYI, he is a 21yo, former pick 4 who has only played 12 games due to injury. Give him a go.
Its about the future, not this week.
Graham will give us more, but he won't be around next year, when Pickett probably will. So persist with Pickett...who BTW missed over half the season being injured, so forgive him if he is still trying to work himself into AFL level. FYI, he is a 21yo, former pick 4 who has only played 12 games due to injury. Give him a go.
Its about the future, not this week.
I'm happy to give him a go, in the VFL until he finds some form.
He and Polson were embarrassing last night, you can't reward performances like those.
I reckon we are a flukers chance and can beat the whorks, their midfield is shallow and they are a shell of the side they are. We lack a match for Roughy but their ladder position flatters them greatly.
Big game by the Curnows next week and we can push this mob.
Graham will give us more, but he won't be around next year, when Pickett probably will. So persist with Pickett...who BTW missed over half the season being injured, so forgive him if he is still trying to work himself into AFL level. FYI, he is a 21yo, former pick 4 who has only played 12 games due to injury. Give him a go.
Its about the future, not this week.
Is it possible, just possible, that on those occasions when people have questioned selections that result in "poor team balance", that maybe those selections were also done with an eye to the future, rather than the game at hand ?
Just askin'.
Is it possible, just possible, that on those occasions when people have questioned selections that result in "poor team balance", that maybe those selections were also done with an eye to the future, rather than the game at hand ?
Just askin'.
I don't know what's in the mind of the match committee and no one else on here does either but it's fun to speculate.
It's only my opinion, and my opinion is that performances of the standard dished up by Pickett and Polson over the last fortnight can never be accepted, there are others going very close to the line as well but those two have been the most glaring.
I'm no fan of Nick Graham as a footballer but he always gives his best and he's fit and available, I'd even give Mullet another go.
We have to draw the line somewhere.
I reckon we are a flukers chance and can beat the whorks, their midfield is shallow and they are a shell of the side they are. We lack a match for Roughy but their ladder position flatters them greatly.
Big game by the Curnows next week and we can push this mob.
No chance. Their midfield might be shallow, and they may be a shell of their former selves, and their ladder position may flatter them, but we're not capable of beating them.
After Friday it would be a miracle if we won another game this year imo. I am definitely not tipping us again!
After Friday it would be a miracle if we won another game this year imo. I am definitely not tipping us again!
Hope you didnt follow my lead Cookie and tip the Saints.? :-[
Hope you didnt follow my lead Cookie and tip the Saints.? :-[
I got sucked in and tipped us - as I did v. the Lions! Don't say it - I'm a slow learner. ::)
Is it possible, just possible, that on those occasions when people have questioned selections that result in "poor team balance", that maybe those selections were also done with an eye to the future, rather than the game at hand ?
Just askin'.
I wouldn't have thought so.
Unless in the future we plan to play 4 key defenders every week.
Or maybe only 1 forward.
What i am talking about is basically a like for like type. Doesn't effect team balance but gets games into the kids instead of blokes who are not the future.
So McKay playing instead of Casboult.
So Dow/OBrien instead of Graham/Kerridge
So Pickett instead of Lamb
etc
They will open up our ridiculous zone that has more holes than a Bangkok brothel.
It’s a pity because we only need to play tight on a few of their softer players.
Gunston, Bruest and Smith will do the damage if we don’t lock them down
Graham will give us more, but he won't be around next year, when Pickett probably will. So persist with Pickett...who BTW missed over half the season being injured, so forgive him if he is still trying to work himself into AFL level. FYI, he is a 21yo, former pick 4 who has only played 12 games due to injury. Give him a go.
Its about the future, not this week.
Spot on, would like to see Schumacher get a run at some point, what have we to lose?
They will open up our ridiculous zone that has more holes than a Bangkok brothel.
It’s a pity because we only need to play tight on a few of their softer players.
Gunston, Bruest and Smith will do the damage if we don’t lock them down
We haven't got a match for Gunston at all, at a pinch I'd try Thomas but that's pushing it a bit, he'd be way too nimble for Rowe or Jones and Marchbank isn't in great form.
Bruest is also a worry, so is Roughy.
It's very hard to see us winning.
They are down a ruck, have slow players and dare I sat it, some aren't the most physical going around. We're overdue for some very soft umpiring as well.
Play one on one footy, stuff zones, just beat your man. Thomas for Breust, LoB for smith, Jones for Gibson. Ed to wear Mitchell. Dow to work off Jaegar.
Lower the eyes going forwards, take Stratton and Spiffily out if the equation.
We won't win because our team believes that they can't.
I wouldn't have thought so.
Unless in the future we plan to play 4 key defenders every week.
Or maybe only 1 forward.
What i am talking about is basically a like for like type. Doesn't effect team balance but gets games into the kids instead of blokes who are not the future.
So McKay playing instead of Casboult.
So Dow/OBrien instead of Graham/Kerridge
So Pickett instead of Lamb
etc
Can't say I see a lot of like for like about Picket for Lamb, other than that neither has been giving us much.
Heaven help us if Dow/O'Brien turn out like for like with Graham/Kerridge.
Can't say I see a lot of like for like about Picket for Lamb, other than that neither has been giving us much.
Heaven help us if Dow/O'Brien turn out like for like with Graham/Kerridge.
Not a chance.
Dow will be a 200 gamer IMO.
O’Brien doesn’t seem to have the tricks of Dow but he can find the footy. And the kid is an elite runner.
And neither butcher it like graham or kerridge does.
No comparison.
Not a chance.
Dow will be a 200 gamer IMO.
O’Brien doesn’t seem to have the tricks of Dow but he can find the footy. And the kid is an elite runner.
And neither butcher it like graham or kerridge does.
No comparison.
Agree on Dow...less impressed with Obrien, his kicking skills which were rated high at U18 level have been poor at senior level and his attack
on the footy also concerns me. If you are going to pull up short on contests and be an outside player you have to get it 25-30 times a game and hit every target...
Dow attacks the ball well and his disposal by hand is generally good, needs to clean up his kicking on the run a bit but his progress has been encouraging....
Dow is a Jet, you couldn't ask for much more from a first year player than what he's shown this year. SOS got that pick right.
Agree on Dow...less impressed with Obrien, his kicking skills which were rated high at U18 level have been poor at senior level and his attack
on the footy also concerns me. If you are going to pull up short on contests and be an outside player you have to get it 25-30 times a game and hit every target...
Dow attacks the ball well and his disposal by hand is generally good, needs to clean up his kicking on the run a bit but his progress has been encouraging....
Foxtel did a comparison study before the saints match.
Comparing players with their peers (players of same age and position).
Dow was just above average.
Obrien was very far from and may have been -50% IIRC.
There's an argument that suggests that we are playing him because of a lack of options, and only gun players would be playing from other teams, hence the poor comparison.
That being said, whichever way you slice it, he's poor by comparison.
My opinion is at present he looks to be a foot soldier at best.
Kruddler I heard on the radio David King talking about the same statistics and Clayton Oliver has the biggest gap on his peers. A whopping 89%!!!
I counted 9 listed players in NB that played today. Assuming Wright is OK to go this week, there are 10 that we have to choose from to replace those that are going to miss. Given that there are "requests" for Polson, Pickett, Garlett, O'Brien to be omitted and the possibility of Kruezer to miss, who comes in.
Wright
Casboult
Mullet
O'Shea
Byrne
Lobbe
De Bois
Kerr
de Koning
Schumacher
The cupboard is so bare, it hasn't been built yet.
Need to try a few different things, nothing to lose......
Backs: Thomas Rowe Weitering
H Backs: Simpson Jones Byrne
Centre: Marchbank Cripps Murphy
H F'wards: Pickett McKay Garrett
Forwards: Fisher Casboult Kerr
Ruck: Lobbe C. Curnow. Dow
I/C Kennedy. SPS, E.Curnow, O'Brien
2 main forward targets and a medium leading forward with three at the feet.
Charlie and Cripps float forward when necessary.
Charlie has a free run around the ground without being smashed around by 2 or 3 defenders off the ball. Give him freedom for a few weeks.
Love to see Cripps, C. Curnow and Dow in a centre bounce together......the future.
For discussion.
Like that side with a few caveats. Laziest front half in history, Fisher excluded.... They just don't work hard enough. Plus, Casboult was putrid in the NBs and getting a game after that sends a bad message IMO.
Like that side with a few caveats. Laziest front half in history, Fisher excluded.... They just don't work hard enough. Plus, Casboult was putrid in the NBs and getting a game after that sends a bad message IMO.
Levi played like his match day instruction was don't get hurt, he may be lucky he hasn't been reported, though the incident probably wasn't his fault!
Do you know if the VFL lay reports off the video, I know they use video evidence but I'm not sure if any charges are made off video reviews?
I don't know the reporting process in the VFL, but he's a CFC player, they'd report us for grass abuse, looking sideways at a seagull or whatever BS charge they can dream up.
I'm more than happy with O'Brien.
He's in his first season and isn't physically mature, at the moment he looks like a boy against men.
He shows plenty IMO but I don't think that he'll have a real impact until 2020.
Cunningham is more of a worry even though he's injured at present, he looks further off the pace than O'Brien to me.
I'm more than happy with O'Brien.
He's in his first season and isn't physically mature, at the moment he looks like a boy against men.
He shows plenty IMO but I don't think that he'll have a real impact until 2020.
Cunningham is more of a worry even though he's injured at present, he looks further off the pace than O'Brien to me.
+1
Cunningham is a worry not because he isnt good enough, but because
he looks like he'd rather not be here.
It might explain why he didnt play more football even when he was fit.
+1
Cunningham is a worry not because he isnt good enough, but because he looks like he'd rather not be here.
It might explain why he didnt play more football even when he was fit.
I think you're reading something that isn't there.
He does some good things and has an instinct for a goal but he doesn't get involved enough in the game and has periods where he becomes almost invisible.
I don't think that it's a lack of effort, maybe he's just not up to it.
I'm more than happy with O'Brien.
He's in his first season and isn't physically mature, at the moment he looks like a boy against men.
He shows plenty IMO but I don't think that he'll have a real impact until 2020.
Cunningham is more of a worry even though he's injured at present, he looks further off the pace than O'Brien to me.
Obrien is keener and has a better work ethic but players who pull up short in contests dont win finals and I want his kicking/disposal to be better.
Cuningham IMO has more ability but a lazy work ethic and is another " I will please myself when I go for the ball" type player.
Dow is the complete package of work ethic and attack on the ball...he just needs more experience working with better quality players....
I'm more than happy with O'Brien.
He's in his first season and isn't physically mature, at the moment he looks like a boy against men.
...................
Yes, agree. Far too early to be making calls on boys who got out of nappies 5 minutes ago and still keep Clearasil in the bathroom cupboard.
We have plenty of mature bodies that get us into more strife than Dow or O'Brien.
I think you're reading something that isn't there.
He does some good things and has an instinct for a goal but he doesn't get involved enough in the game and has periods where he becomes almost invisible.
I don't think that it's a lack of effort, maybe he's just not up to it.
Don't call it a lack of effort because that's not what I'm saying.
Blokes who play footy don't go at half rat power when the game is going.
What does happen though, is that they don't come to play. Hence why they become invisible and not involved in the game.
Hence why he does some good things. Competitive instincts kick in, and off he goes. Then at some point, guys who aren't putting in the requisite effort or are spraying the footy, turning it over, let the team down, and young players drop their heads. They think to themselves what am I doing here, and they get DISTRACTED.
They start questioning themselves, where they are playing, the journey, and their careers wondering whether or not they might be better off in another team.
All whilst a game is playing.
I would rather attribute it to a lack of focus, rather than a lack of effort.
Calling it a lack of effort is implying they don't care or don't try, which is not quite the same thing as what I am suggesting.
Considering where our footy club is at, and where it has been, I wouldn't be surprised if all of it simply results in a lack of belief.
If anyone wants to see what a lack of belief does to a football club, have a look at Richmond FC and Collingwood. Collingwood is still unable to win a premiership in September and that goes back to the "colliwobble" and goes over many generations of players, but is still true today.
Richmond, have a mental block that they only got over a year ago, and look at them now, they are completely unstoppable.
GWS stopped them, even with the umps trying to keep the Tigers in it....
;D ;)
Obrien is keener and has a better work ethic but players who pull up short in contests dont win finals and I want his kicking/disposal to be better.
Cuningham IMO has more ability but a lazy work ethic and is another " I will please myself when I go for the ball" type player.
Dow is the complete package of work ethic and attack on the ball...he just needs more experience working with better quality players....
He also needs to learn that giving it off ASAP isn't always the best option, but that will come with experience.
He should watch footage of Cripps and Murphy.
GWS stopped them, even with the umps trying to keep the Tigers in it....
;D ;)
I didn't watch the game, according to Dimma they were hard done by, frees are about even not like playing in Perth!
Silicy unlikely to play - being scanned for a suspected broken wrist.
Key Hawks missing this week: Burgoyne, McEvoy, Rioli, Birchall and now Silicy. A lot of talent missing.
If we weren't so crap I would give us a chance this week. :-\
Silicy unlikely to play - being scanned for a suspected broken wrist.
Key Hawks missing this week: Burgoyne, McEvoy, Rioli, Birchall and now Silicy. A lot of talent missing.
If we weren't so crap I would give us a chance this week. :-\
I'm not getting sucked in again this week either!
I'm not getting sucked in again this week either!
Cookie......That's why I said if we weren't so crap ;D
I gave us no chance the last 2 weeks as both those teams in the past even when we fielded stronger sides troubled us with leg speed. Hawks are older and definitely slower.
If and its a massive IF Kreuzer plays the full game and Murphy gets some form back I reckon Cripps and Fish will give our forwards mainly Charlie a lot of chances. Plus there is no Silicy intercepting too which is a big loss for them.
Not a massive fan of Mitchell yes he gets it heaps but don't think he hurts teams like Smith, Shiels and O'meara. Need to put work into them.
Oh and if the MC is serious and don't select Garlett or Polson our chances in this one increase further. S
Still despite all this im not overly confident but reckon we are a better chance then previous weeks as we are getting these pr1cks at a good time.
I didn't watch the game, according to Dimma they were hard done by, frees are about even not like playing in Perth!
The number of times the Tigers were tackled and play was allowed to go on despite either incorrect disposal or no effort to get rid of the ball, all with prior opportunity, was taggering.
Dusty, like other favourires eg Danger, Selwood, is given a remarkable amount of latitude.....at least the GWS lads, had worked out how to counter the Dusty fend off....take note CFC players.
Dusty, like other favourires eg Danger, Selwood, is given a remarkable amount of latitude.....at least the GWS lads, had worked out how to counter the Dusty fend off....take note CFC players.
Please explain?
The commentary I have heard claims Dusty wasn't fit, is that just an excuse?
Please explain?
The commentary I have heard claims Dusty wasn't fit, is that just an excuse?
All I'm saying is that every time Dusty tried the fend off (usually directed to the throat), it didn't work - the GWS dudes were able to effect a tackle....
That said, Dusty gets given a lot of time to dispose of the ball once tackled - much more than most players imo.
All I'm saying is that every time Dusty tried the fend off (usually directed to the throat), it didn't work - the GWS dudes were able to effect a tackle....
That said, Dusty gets given a lot of time to dispose of the ball once tackled - much more than most players imo.
If Dusty tried the throat fend off on me too many times I'd try hard to dislocate his elbow Fujitsu style, it's not too hard to do that at all!
Cookie......That's why I said if we weren't so crap ;D
I gave us no chance the last 2 weeks as both those teams in the past even when we fielded stronger sides troubled us with leg speed. Hawks are older and definitely slower.
If and its a massive IF Kreuzer plays the full game and Murphy gets some form back I reckon Cripps and Fish will give our forwards mainly Charlie a lot of chances. Plus there is no Silicy intercepting too which is a big loss for them.
Not a massive fan of Mitchell yes he gets it heaps but don't think he hurts teams like Smith, Shiels and O'meara. Need to put work into them.
Oh and if the MC is serious and don't select Garlett or Polson our chances in this one increase further. S
Still despite all this im not overly confident but reckon we are a better chance then previous weeks as we are getting these pr1cks at a good time.
Polson isnt a good player but he gives us effort, which is better than what the others get to.
Garlett has the ability, and if you watched him pr-game on saturday night, he was slotting them from everywhere.
I also don't think we have too many fit bodies to bring in, so I don't see the logic of dropping him when all you're going to end up with is Nick Graham.
I think at this point, all you can do is reward players showing workrate if not impact (Polson) and put games into blokes with ability (Garlett) and reward triers who are doing the right things they get dropped and call this a culture setting year.
Screw playing to win. We need to play to set our footy club up.
Polson isnt a good player but he gives us effort, which is better than what the others get to.
Garlett has the ability, and if you watched him pr-game on saturday night, he was slotting them from everywhere.
I also don't think we have too many fit bodies to bring in, so I don't see the logic of dropping him when all you're going to end up with is Nick Graham.
I think at this point, all you can do is reward players showing workrate if not impact (Polson) and put games into blokes with ability (Garlett) and reward triers who are doing the right things they get dropped and call this a culture setting year.
Screw playing to win. We need to play to set our footy club up.
As brutal as it sounds, Polson shows all the signs of being a dud, yep he tries need to do a lot more then just try. I would try if i was asked to play AFL doesn't mean I should continue to play. He is no where near ready and i have no idea why his contract was extended so early. Gets it under 6 times a match and when he does he has no clue whatsoever.
Garlett is less of a concern as he does at times show he has the tricks to be a player but is another that seems to not know what to do at all when he finally gets the pill which isn't much.
I'm all for playing kids but once they have had a decent chance which i believe both of these guys have considering the min output you get from them they need to play seconds until they are ready.
Cant keep playing 2 players down every week and then complain when we get pumped.
Weren't we fined for playing Polson concussed just a couple of weeks back?
I think it would be a fair double standard to make excuses for say Levi or Kreuzer, as experienced senior AFL players, while hanging the newbie kid out to dry within the same time frame!
We can only drop one of Polson, Garlett and Pickett, and even one assumes that Wright is fit to play.
Byrne will play VFL again and apart from him the only option is Graham, there is simply no one else available, and Graham will take Lamb's spot.
We can only drop one of Polson, Garlett and Pickett, and even one assumes that Wright is fit to play.
Byrne will play VFL again and apart from him the only option is Graham, there is simply no one else available, and Graham will take Lamb's spot.
Polson will go for Wright and I reckon Byrne might come in for Lamb...
Polson will go for Wright and I reckon Byrne might come in for Lamb...
Byrne played less than three quarters of the VFL game and reading Fraser's summary I'm almost certain he'll play in the VFL again this week.
They arent taking any chances with him which is fair enough given his recent history, but it only leaves Graham to take a senior spot unless you include Mullet and O'Shea.
It's possible that Weitering or Lang might be fit but unlikely, which probably means that Polson, Pickett, Silvagni, Garlett, Shaw etc. all keep their spots simply because there's no one available to replace them.
We'll get spanked again I reckon.
Byrne played less than three quarters of the VFL game and reading Fraser's summary I'm almost certain he'll play in the VFL again this week.
They arent taking any chances with him which is fair enough given his recent history, but it only leaves Graham to take a senior spot unless you include Mullet and O'Shea.
It's possible that Weitering or Lang might be fit but unlikely, which probably means that Polson, Pickett, Silvagni, Garlett, Shaw etc. all keep their spots simply because there's no one available to replace them.
We'll get spanked again I reckon.
Fair enough....Mullet was invisible and OShea got spanked by that strong looking unit Rodda...dont see them playing.....
I think the club will view a rebounding Hawthorn as a hard mountain to climb and rest players so we have a better and fitter team for the GC game.....
Fair enough....Mullet was invisible and OShea got spanked by that strong looking unit Rodda...dont see them playing.....
I think the club will view a rebounding Hawthorn as a hard mountain to climb and rest players so we have a better and fitter team for the GC game.....
Cut out the lame steer eh? :D
Cunningham done for the season according to McKay, that's one helluva hamstring strain.
Cunningham done for the season according to McKay, that's one helluva hamstring strain.
Must be the tendon. That's weeks.
We can only drop one of Polson, Garlett and Pickett, and even one assumes that Wright is fit to play.
Byrne will play VFL again and apart from him the only option is Graham, there is simply no one else available, and Graham will take Lamb's spot.
Put your boots on. You're role will be to get in help Cripps...lol.
Put your boots on. You're role will be to get in help Cripps...lol.
It's getting that way, there are three or four in the seniors who really shouldn't be there.
Cut out the lame steer eh? :D
Got a few Donkeys we need to cut out...... ;)
Casboult, Weitering, Graham, Lobbe, Wright and LeBois in
Lamb and Kreuzer out.
Anyone who watched the VFL last weekend should be amazed that LeBois has been included, Casboult likewise.
FMD..... There are some weak ins....for a VFL side.
Casboult, Weitering, Graham, Lobbe, Wright and LeBois in
Lamb and Kreuzer out.
Anyone who watched the VFL last weekend should be amazed that LeBois has been included, Casboult likewise.
If BB is fair dinkum about only selecting blokes 'on form', then no way Casboult and LeBois would be included... likewise, Polson. :o ::) :-\
Carlton's Round 18 extended squad:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 23. Jacob Weitering 37. Matthew Shaw
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 14. Liam Jones 35. Ed Curnow
Centreline 22. Caleb Marchbank 9. Patrick Cripps 4. Lochie O'Brien
Half-forwards 25. Zac Fisher 30. Charlie Curnow 29. Cameron Polson
Forwards 33. Jarrod Pickett 7. Matthew Kennedy 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Followers 10. Harry McKay 2. Paddy Dow 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Extended interchange 41. Levi Casboult 21. Jarrod Garlett 32. Nick Graham
42. Kym Lebois 27. Matthew Lobbe 17. Sam Rowe
1. Jack Silvagni 46. Matthew Wright
If BB is fair dinkum about only selecting blokes 'on form', then no way Casboult and LeBois would be included... likewise, Polson. :o ::) :-\
It's an extended bench.
Extended interchange 41. Levi Casboult 21. Jarrod Garlett 32. Nick Graham
42. Kym Lebois 27. Matthew Lobbe 17. Sam Rowe
1. Jack Silvagni 46. Matthew Wright
I'm thinking Lobbe, Garlett, Graham/Wright and SOJ. That would give us some balance at least. Levi did ok when on ball last week with 7 marks, Fraser was happy with him, but if you have a ruckman in the case use him, not McKay and Casboult sharing duties. They could ruck Lobbe and Casboult and leave McKay forward but then we're too tall. Le Bois has only just come back from a long injury so I don't think he'll play but it encourages him to put him on an extended bench.
If BB is fair dinkum about only selecting blokes 'on form', then no way Casboult and LeBois would be included... likewise, Polson. :o ::) :-\
I think we may be reaching the point of selecting blokes who are "available" Baggers. ;)
If BB is fair dinkum about only selecting blokes 'on form', then no way Casboult and LeBois would be included... likewise, Polson. :o ::) :-\
Polson should be persevered with. I reckon he shows a bit of spirit and running around in the NBs won’t help him to cope with AFL pace and pressure.
Bolts was quite expansive about selecting Harry McKay and form in the NBs wasn’t really a huge factor. Consistency and effort on the training track was. However, Fraser’s assessment of Casboult and LeBois was positive (not that he is ever overly critical of his players).
Perhaps Bolts would just prefer to see Levi taking ruck contests in preference to Kennedy, Cripps and Charlie ... I certainly would :)
If LeBois gets a game, can I have one too?
I think we may be reaching the point of selecting blokes who are "available" Baggers. ;)
Exactly what i was going to say.
Who is 'available' and NOT included in the 25 man squad? Maybe a handful??
If LeBois gets a game, can I have one too?
To say we are due for a debutant to tear it up in a game is an understatement. I hope LeBois does but I doubt he will. You never know, he is playing for his AFL life I would have thought. Good luck if you get in the 22.
To say we are due for a debutant to tear it up in a game is an understatement. I hope The Prof does but I doubt he will. You never know, he is playing for his AFL life I would have thought. Good luck if you get in the 22.
Edited for the Professor
To say we are due for a debutant to tear it up in a game is an understatement. I hope LeBois does but I doubt he will. You never know, he is playing for his AFL life I would have thought. Good luck if you get in the 22.
Think Le Bois has only just returned from a long injury break. Hard to see him playing unless they're just looking to give him a taste of senior experience.
Think Le Bois has only just returned from a long injury break. Hard to see him playing unless they're just looking to give him a taste of senior experience.
A last ditch effort to see if he demands a spot on the list next year.
Which he doesn't....and he won't get a game anyway.
He's played about eight VFL games in two years, and probably finished maybe 4 of those uninjured. He won't play.
He's played about eight VFL games in two years, and probably finished maybe 4 of those uninjured. He won't play.
Agree....ins will be Lobbe and Wright IMO......
LeBois has done nothing to earn a spot...can remember when Gary Buckenara lauded him as the best in his draft year.......been disappointing with injury and form.
CARLTON
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Matt Shaw
HB: Dale Thomas, Liam Jones, Ed Curnow
C: Caleb Marchbank, Patrick Cripps, Lochie O'Brien
HF: Cameron Polson, Charlie Curnow, Zac Fisher
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Matthew Kennedy, Jarrod Pickett
R: Harry McKay, Marc Murphy, Paddy Dow
Int: Levi Casboult, Jarrod Garlett, Nick Graham, Kym Lebois, Matthew Lobbe, Sam Rowe, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Wright (Four to be omitted)
IN: Jacob Weitering, Levi Casboult, Nick Graham, Kym Lebois, Matthew Lobbe, Matthew Wright
OUT: Matthew Kreuzer (Managed), Jed Lamb (Suspension)
NEW: Kym Lebois, Matthew Lobbe
I'm surprised to be LeBois in. Only once has he had more than 10 possessions in a VFL game. The Match Committee must see more in him than I have seen so far.
I only saw him once in his draft year and he wasn't bad against other kids. But he isn't as quick as he thinks he is. He gets out-bodied far too easily and he doesn't get the ball enough for me. He can kick a goal out of nowhere.
I think Lobbe has to play: we need a specialist ruckman. I think I would prefer de Koning, but he is only just coming back from injury anyway.
I don't think Levi has done enough to get a recall yet, but the MC may think we need his strength and his ability to do some ruck work.
We are really at rock bottom with this side.
HAWTHORN
B: Ryan Burton, James Frawley, Ben Stratton
HB: Kaiden Brand, Jack Gunston, Blake Hardwick
C: Ricky Henderson, Tom Mitchell, Isaac Smith
HF: Jarman Impey, Ryan Schoenmakers, Harry Morrison
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Paul Puopolo
R: Jonathon Ceglar, Daniel Howe, Liam Shiels
Int: Teia Miles, James Worpel, Jaeger O'Meara, Brendan Whitecross, Marc Pittonet, Taylor Duryea, Conor Glass, Jonathan O'Rourke (Four to be omitted)
IN: Kaiden Brand, Ryan Schoenmakers, James Worpel, Marc Pittonet, Conor Glass, Jonathan O'Rourke
OUT: Tim O'Brien (Omitted), James Sicily (Injured)
If we had some guys available, instead of a Northern Blues selection, I'd be confident of beating this mob. This side does not look impressive, especially in defence. But we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Ceglar usually plays well against us, but his form has not been so good. So maybe there is some hope.
Have we ever selected a smaller forward line?
Team looks 1000% better when Marchbank is on the wing, even though there is no way the rest of the team lines up like that!
There are a few of things I want to see this week;
Casboult stays out of McKay's way.
McKay plays more like Ben Brown than Eddie Betts.
Charlie isn't killed by Levi jumping into his back.
Lobbe shows he isn't done.
Weitering and Jones taking some marks.
SPS continues his improvement.
Sunday Etihad, dry ideal conditions 15°C.
Dawks have named a small mobile F50, best have our D50 marking faces on!
McKay plays more like Ben Brown than Eddie Betts.
I wont care if he plays a bit like Brown and a bit like Betts ;D
Looks like the final team will consist of...
INTERCHANGE : Casboult, Lobbe, Silvagni, Wright
EMERG: Rowe, Garlett, Graham, LeBois
A lot of pace in those ins.....not.
A lot of pace in those ins.....not.
No pace in the emergencies either so nothing lost really.
I would have preferred Kerr to Casboult, and Garlett to Polson, and just about anyone to Shaw.
Sam Rowe may have played his last game.
Not sure we needed to play Levi given we have McKay. Would've picked another small.
How does polson hold his place.
And please don’t give me ‘oh but he trys or he runs hard BS’
Averaged 5 pos in last 4 weeks at 30% efficiency.
Club has to be tanking or we are stuffed.
How does polson hold his place.
And please don’t give me ‘oh but he trys or he runs hard BS’
Averaged 5 pos in last 4 weeks at 30% efficiency.
Club has to be tanking or we are stuffed.
He played forward pocket and the ball wasn't in his area much. Are you from the "Get pumped drop the forward pocket school of football".
Mick Malthouse founded that school by the way.
He played forward pocket and the ball wasn't in his area much. Are you from the "Get pumped drop the forward pocket school of football".
Chris Judd said these days it's the hardest position on the ground.
You are tagged every week, no one kicks it to you and you are constantly sprinting after rebounding defenders who out number you.
He played forward pocket and the ball wasn't in his area much. Are you from the "Get pumped drop the forward pocket school of football".
Mick Malthouse founded that school by the way.
Don't agree. Played further up the ground - was hardly ever deep forward.
You can spin it any way you want but I've seen enough of him to say he is that far off AFL standard its not funny. I feel somewhat sorry for him because the club is making him look like a hack as he is clearly not up to it 'yet'
The kid is barely VFL standard.
Chris Judd said these days it's the hardest position on the ground.
You are tagged every week, no one kicks it to you and you are constantly sprinting after rebounding defenders who out number you.
Only if you have forwards who actually chase! ;)
Don't agree. Played further up the ground - was hardly ever deep forward.
You can spin it any way you want but I've seen enough of him to say he is that far off AFL standard its not funny. I feel somewhat sorry for him because the club is making him look like a hack as he is clearly not up to it 'yet'
The kid is barely VFL standard.
I agree, he's miles off the pace and why he was retained and Garlett was dropped is a mystery to me.
The reality is that some of our youngsters won't measure up and at this stage he looks like being one of them, but give him a chance by all means because there's nothing really hanging on it.
But if he keeps failing and we keep playing him we'll start to look like amateurs.
Just for the sheer hell of it, and to dream... imagine no injuries, everyone is in form and this is the side to play the Dawks tomorrow...
...one day...
Docherty Silvagni A Williamson
Simpson Jones Byrne
Marchbank Murphy Fisher
Pickett McKay Curnow C
Thomas Kerr SPS
Kruezer Cripps Kennedy
Int: Curnow E O’Brien Lang Dow
Emerg: Garlett, Plowman, Weitering, Wright.
Would win by six goals
Daisy's out tomorrow replaced by Graham.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/dale-thomas-has-been-withdrawn-from-tomorrows-match-against-hawthorn
Daisy's out tomorrow replaced by Graham.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/dale-thomas-has-been-withdrawn-from-tomorrows-match-against-hawthorn
Fabulous.
Daisy's out tomorrow replaced by Graham.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/dale-thomas-has-been-withdrawn-from-tomorrows-match-against-hawthorn
....and here comes another thrashing. :-[
We'll win this.
Bruest to kick five. Carlton to kick seven.
Only if you have forwards who actually chase! ;)
Too true unfortunately
Any reason given for Thomas "withdrawal"?
The wording in that article was deliberately vague.
Bruest to kick five. Carlton to kick seven.
The sad part is that this could be the case. I've heard a rumour charlie's out for this one. If true that leaves us very short on fire power.
Any reason given for Thomas "withdrawal"?
The wording in that article was deliberately vague.
AFL website just lists him as injured.
The sad part is that this could be the case. I've heard a rumour charlie's out for this one. If true that leaves us very short on fire power.
Rumour around some Facebook sites that he has Gastro..... O'Brien too!
Wait until it's confirmed...or not.... before pressing
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Daisy out. Laceration that has not healed properly according to CFC. :-[
Seems the Curnow/O Brien rumour was a false rumour ;)
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Thank goodness for that...
Go blues
Daisy appeared briefly with commentators at a match last weekend. When asked why he was limping he said that in the final seconds of our match his leg, just below the kneecap, was cut by a bootstop and he had needed 4 stitches.
O'maera out for Hawks.
O'maera out for Hawks.
Injured or Managed I wonder? I give us a chance today, its a weak looking Hawthorn team...ORourke is a spud who they have in for Omeara..
Blues by 5 points to join GC as shock winners.....
Injured or Managed I wonder? I give us a chance today, its a weak looking Hawthorn team...ORourke is a spud who they have in for Omeara..
Blues by 5 points to join GC as shock winners.....
Yep agree.
They are well under full strength have 6 or their best 10 players out!
If and it’s a big if we can play somewhere like we did in one of our honable loses, I reckon that level will be enough today to get the points.
Would love to beat this mob. Hate Clarkson.
We like playing this mob. Fingers crossed.
We like playing this mob. Fingers crossed.
Do we?
We have lost 14 of our last 15 i think.
Nice to see the Blue jumper on its a start, week of upsets, maybe today
Do we?
We have lost 14 of our last 15 i think.
I said, 'like' not 'beating'. Many of our clashes over about 35 years have been rippers; epic.
As an aside, if we have any hope of winning today we need much more from blokes like Casboult, Polson, SOJ & Pickett.
I said, 'like' not 'beating'. Many of our clashes over about 35 years have been rippers; epic.
As an aside, if we have any hope of winning today we need much more from blokes like Casboult, Polson, SOJ & Pickett.
I dunno. I reckon we like playing teams that we beat more ;)
I dunno. I reckon we like playing teams that we beat more ;)
Give the nitpicking a rest and join in the spirit of the day... sun is out, we're playing the Dawks, we've got something prove after the past two weeks...
10 mins in and I’ve changed my mind.
We’re still sh1t.
I dunno. I reckon we like playing teams that we beat more ;)
Well, we have 100% record over Hawthorn in our last one games...lol.
Looking ugly already , might go watch grass grow
Hey do we have an In Game thread?
Hey do we have an In Game thread?
I just started one.
Sorry, guys. I haven't been on. Thanks to Paul P for starting up the threads.
With In Games, Post Games etc just check a thread hasn't already been created and then go for it.
Anyone is free to start a thread and in most cases it's helpful.
We don't want to be setting them up too far out or they slip off the scrolling thread.
The "In game" and "Post games" are most important
As soon as the game starts or ends..... First in First served.... start them up, otherwise we end up with duplicate discussions