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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
I have the feeling that this is a danger game this week but I am not sure exactly why.  Maybe one reason is that North were 4-5 goals up against Freo in the 2nd quarter then missed 3 easy shots at goal that could have given them a bigger lead but they missed them all.
They played well in the first half.  But we are better than Freo?  Still, we need to start well coming off the bye worries me. 
Maybe it's the Clarkson factor that still haunts me?   Anyway, if we aspire to be a top four team, we need to put young developing teams like Norf to the sword and win and win well.

It's too many false dawns.  Gritty teams would turn up and we'd struggle.

It's not really a cripps trait.  North have been a bogey side for us, but their lack of key backs should see us win easily enough.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 2 2024 Bye
Im glad that we are "starting the season" against North.

The first two games were dangerous enough.  We've done enough to get 2 wins and and north will be a danger game for us, but we should account for them well enough.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Fantasia is a footballer. 

He does a few little things that show his aptitude as a player.  For me the important hole he fills is a leadership one for the younger small forwards.  Durdin and motlop might learn a bit off him.  It's intangible.  We'll see how he goes, but im not writing him off yet.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Yeah yeah, you think i'm very biased against TDK, i get it. I disagree, but you would expect me to say that.
Its hard to keep track of a particular posters thoughts on an issue on here, ironically, similar to your take on here.
Observation - some posts you might not read. Some posts you might not comprehend, or at least not fully understand....and part of that could be on me for not explaining well enough.

Statistics - a lot of 'negative' posts by me gets attention, but thats because they end up in a thread of arguments because there might be a lot of people who disagree. Whereas the positive stuff gets glossed over because its the same as everyone else.

Bias - Similar to the above, but you look for the negative and ignore the positive, or at least focus on that more.

Its funny, the whole TDK debate took 2 shapes.
1. Pittonet > TDK in pure rucking ability.
2. TDK < Silvagni (or others) around the ground.

1. People debated that 1 didn't matter. So Pittonet shouldn't play as hitouts don't matter.
2. People ignored the fact that Silvagni (or others) did better around the ground.....although slightly less in the ruck.....which people decided didn't matter anyway.

People wanted it both ways. Its why the argument kept going round in circles.

All of this was off the back of my contention that the team only needs 1 ruck to reach peak performance. Some disagreed with that, which is fine, but results seem to prove otherwise (when taking opponent into account).


You're clever in your arguments but myself and MBB kept saying that if we only play one ruckman it should likely be TDK in a tandem with Silvagni.

That's moot now.

We couldn't afford to lose a ruckman last season and TDK's emergence doesn't change that, it's still true.  Which is why we picked up another youngster mid season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Semantics to a point.

If he does 1 good, athletic, eye-popping thing a game, and goes missing for the rest of it, is that because he hasn't reached his potential or he isn't consistent?
I'd say its potential.

If he has 1 solid game 1 week and a nothing game the next week, i'd say that is consistency.

He may have put together the odd solid game over his career, but he hasn't earned himself a 3 brownlow vote game in the way Nic Nat did. He is capable of it.....which is why its been frustrating.

Previously, people have seen glimpses, and extrapolate that out to a good performance.
When you break it down, the rest of the performances have usually been very much sub par. He is remembered for the 'almost' mark of the week attempts, and not for going missing for 20 minutes at a time. This is why i went to great depth to show people perceptions of what he was doing, was out of whack with what he was actually doing. Opposite was true with Pittonet/Silvagni.

NOW he is starting to find some more consistency and using his gifts we all knew he had. Taking some marks. Getting some ground balls. Sticking some tackles. Kicking some goals. This should be the norm from him, not the exception.

I said all along, i've got no issue with him, but he needed to perform, not just get a gig based on potential. He is starting to perform and we should keep it that way.

My only worry is that he is peforming now because he is fit and healthy. After getting banged up week in and week out, he may not be able to perform in the same way. Won't be able to jump as high, run as fast and pressure in the same manner due to niggles/injury. THEN it may become an issue.

I still maintain we run with 1 ruck, and he is my preference for now.
Maybe switch him out for Pittonet if he starts to carry a niggle, but don't play both.

No. He was playing better than that.  He wasn't a highlight reel player, he was just rucking well for a quarter or two and taking a strong mark every week that was eye popping. Then there is the fact that he hits the scoreboard, and genuinely creates panic when he drifts forward because he's athletic and can actually play as a forward. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
We had 4 rucks on the list this time last season. 2 raw and tagged with potential.  One developing nicely who is as much a forward who can ruck as a ruck than push forward, and one 24/7 meat and potatoes ruckman in pittonet who is solid but unspectacular and could easily disappear into anonymity.  Talk of de koning going last year was fanciful. 

Also he wad playing to his potential what people were moaning about was consistency. 

Charlie is a gun and whilst he showed signs early he wasn't really ready to take the scruff of the neck of games until a few years back.  Harry similar.  Only smalls are consistent early on, even then they don't develope consistency until they get continuity.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Docherty missing from the defence (even though he's been playing further upfield) means we may not have a 'general' back there while Weitering is missing.
Still you would think with the experience of Saad, Newman, Williams and McGovern someone else would be taking up that 'role'.
Anyone stand out as the 'director' in Weitering's absence?

Newman.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
My thoughts exactly, we never got out of that scrappy pattern and it made it very frustrating to watch.

I've never been a McGovern fan but tonight he was one of our better players for the whole match. In the last, some of our better players like Hewitt & Cerra had a lot more influence on the game which turned it around.

Lewis Young worries me, the Tigers players broke through too many of his soft tackles.

I keep hearing Boyd is elite by foot but he was woeful, I don't understand what they see in him. The recruiting of Fantasia looks idiotic and Cuningham only seems to play well when we are really on top of the opposition.

Curnow needs a massive kick up the jaxy for that undisciplined brain-fade in the goal square. FFS, take the mark, go back and take some time off the clock and kick the simplest of goals. Had he done that, it would have given us a three-goal lead which was virtually unassailable. You can have all the big highlights you want but it's the 'bread & butter' stuff in the heat of battle that sets the really good players apart form the rest.    

Kemp was terrific all night but that 'Mark of the Year' attempt on the last line of defense was also a massive brain-fade, it looks great when it comes off (Saad last week also tried it and came unstuck) but its too costly when it doesn't. Just do the team-orientated thing and give a defensive punch and follow it up on the ground.

DeKoning kicked a really important goal in the last but given he sprayed his first set shot left and then his second right, the odds were in his favour of splitting the middle with the third.

I was really hoping someone would clean-up Bolton, he is a massive show-pony/lair week after week who needs to be taught some humility & respect.

And our guys didn't pay attention to Maurice Rioli who always hangs around the man on the mark looking for a quick steal. It's smart play by him but you can't keep letting him do it.

The umpires really reamed us in the first half, it was embarrassingly poor from them, we should be making an official comlain it was that bad. 

Two wins and a week's break to then face North & Freo after that isn't a bad place to be, just need to tidy up some of those really bad loose ends.     
umpires had at least 4 score involvements to Richmond.