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Title: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 03, 2016, 02:07:11 pm
Next Saturday morning (1100), the Baby Blues will start their VFL season by playing the Dogs at the Kennel. Hopefully we can see the Blues who turned up against Richmond instead of the Blues who didn't turn up against Port Melbourne.

In our favour:
[1] we are unlikely to rest all 3 emergencies.
[2] We are likely to start a side with a fair few Carlton players and our strongest VFL guys (especially like Ballard in the midfield).
[3] Plowman and Sumner will be better for the run.
[4] Silvagni is a very high probability to play.
[5] Our last few injured guys should be pretty close to being ready. Especially Armfield, who should be ready for a half a game.

Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 07, 2016, 09:09:19 pm
Footscray Bulldogs vs. Northern Blues  

Sunday April 10    Note. This is different to wt appeared on the NB' website a week ago, but it is what appeared in the VFL's website.                                                               
Whitten Oval at 11.00am            

Footscray Bulldogs

B: 18. F Roberts 32. K Collins 36. B Lynch
HB: 28. J Prudden 30. J Hamling 20. J Dunkley
C: 46. L Jong 25. K Stevens 16. T McLean
HF: 35. C Daniel 43. J Redpath 19. L Webb
F: 26. D Hamilton 15. T Campbell 44. J Adcock
R: 27. W Minson 31. B Dale 22. M Honeychurch
Int: 55. A Greenwood 54. N Jamieson 57. J Staley 12. Z Cordy 47. M Austin 51. L Dalgleish 59. S Wyatt 34. B Williams 66. M Hannan 
65. J Russell 61. L Nash 40. L Goetz
23P: 67. J Wallis
    
Northern Blues
B: 26. M Dick 43. S White 44. L Plowman
HB: 65. D Viojo 34. J Glass-Mccasker 31. J. Foster
C: 4. S Russell 76. J Tutt 6. G Strachan
HF: 67. C Smith 18. D Gorringe 56. A Gallucci
F: 48. K Jaksch 14. L Jones 46. L Sumner
R: 36. C Wood 60. D Cuningham 1. T Wilson
Int: 29. B Casley 54. C McCabe 11 K McGuiness 24. T Roos 8. B Bransgrove 38 B Gowers 80. M Korcheck 12 Z Ballard
23P: 23. H Kerbatieh
 
Not a bad looking line-up, and the numbers are a welcome addition.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: flyboy77 on April 07, 2016, 09:12:42 pm
what's the "23P" all about?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Professer E on April 07, 2016, 09:16:29 pm
Isn't that where you a side can select an additional player who is under 23 year of age?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: townsendcalling on April 07, 2016, 10:47:01 pm
 I will be looking at the reports on Plowman, Glass-McCasker, Sumner, Gorringe and Cunningham with a high degree of interest.  Love to see at least 3/5 of these become integral to our future. 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 08, 2016, 07:50:30 am
what's the "23P" all about?
23rd player - a designated junior player who is supposed to start on the bench. The VFL have had the idea for a while now.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: flyboy77 on April 08, 2016, 08:10:20 am
I will be looking at the reports on Plowman, Glass-McCasker, Sumner, Gorringe and Cunningham with a high degree of interest.  Love to see at least 3/5 of these become integral to our future.

Leaving aside his rookie status, i'd have G-M playing ahead of Jamo in the 1s quite frankly.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 08, 2016, 09:45:17 am
Wouldnt mind seeing JGM playing on Redpath.....the latter is a real unit who would walk into our team and if our bloke can do a good job on him then he is well on the way to senior footy IMO....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Thryleon on April 08, 2016, 10:12:42 am
Leaving aside his rookie status, i'd have G-M playing ahead of Jamo in the 1s quite frankly.

Just on this, we have put Harry Mckay on the long term injury list which means a rookie is in line to get a promotion soon.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on April 08, 2016, 11:32:02 am
Leaving aside his rookie status, i'd have G-M playing ahead of Jamo in the 1s quite frankly.

I really liked what I saw of him last week and will watch him closely again this Sunday.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on April 08, 2016, 02:31:06 pm
Just on this, we have put Harry Mckay on the long term injury list which means a rookie is in line to get a promotion soon.

It must be Byrne because he had to be elevated to be playing this week.

Sheehan is long term injured but as he is a Rookie that doesn't count.

As far as I know we have no other Senior List LTIs for JGM to replace, and McKay's LTI is probably already allocated to Byrne.

I heard a comment last week that JGM reminds them of a young Paul Salmon, lets hope so! :o
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Thryleon on April 08, 2016, 02:38:59 pm
It must be Byrne because he had to be elevated to play this week.

maybe, but I was under the impression Byrne was nominated prior to round 1 suggesting we have room to move on the nominated rookie scenario.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-16/rookie-watch-who-will-be-promoted-at-your-club

Ciaran Byrne played in two NAB Challenge games and was confirmed as the Blues' nominated rookie on Tuesday as they have 39 primary-listed players. The dashing Irishman, left out of the Carlton team for its final NAB Challenge game last Friday night, was impressive on debut against Essendon last season before being dogged by hamstring problems. Fellow Irishman Ciaran Sheehan, who played four games in 2014, was on the sidelines for much of last year after having hip surgery. The left-footer's hips are OK but he has had a few niggles over the pre-season. Ruckman Cameron Wood had shoulder surgery at the end of last season and missed a lot of training before Christmas but has been training well. Pint-sized forward Andrew Gallucci played in the first two NAB Challenge games and Billy Gowers has had an interrupted pre-season after having shoulder surgery late last season. - Howard Kotton

That was from march 16.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on April 08, 2016, 02:42:56 pm
maybe, but I was under the impression Byrne was nominated prior to round 1 suggesting we have room to move on the nominated rookie scenario.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-16/rookie-watch-who-will-be-promoted-at-your-club

Ciaran Byrne played in two NAB Challenge games and was confirmed as the Blues' nominated rookie on Tuesday as they have 39 primary-listed players. The dashing Irishman, left out of the Carlton team for its final NAB Challenge game last Friday night, was impressive on debut against Essendon last season before being dogged by hamstring problems. Fellow Irishman Ciaran Sheehan, who played four games in 2014, was on the sidelines for much of last year after having hip surgery. The left-footer's hips are OK but he has had a few niggles over the pre-season. Ruckman Cameron Wood had shoulder surgery at the end of last season and missed a lot of training before Christmas but has been training well. Pint-sized forward Andrew Gallucci played in the first two NAB Challenge games and Billy Gowers has had an interrupted pre-season after having shoulder surgery late last season. - Howard Kotton

That was from march 16.

Fair enough, I hadn't read that.

That being the case JGM for me, he's tall, agile, solid and athletic and both our defense and forward line looks fragile and could benefit from his presence.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on April 08, 2016, 04:26:52 pm
Leaving aside his rookie status, i'd have G-M playing ahead of Jamo in the 1s quite frankly.

No way could he have broken even with buddy last week. I'm going to give Jamo a little more time.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: cimm1979 on April 08, 2016, 04:30:42 pm
Fair enough, I hadn't read that.

That being the case JGM for me, he's tall, agile, solid and athletic and both our defense and forward line looks fragile and could benefit from his presence.

Solid?

Nope.

Buddy would have ragdolled him 20 times, then we would have put him on Tippett just to completely ruin his confidence.

It would have been a blood bath.

Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on April 08, 2016, 04:47:10 pm
Solid?

Nope.

Buddy would have ragdolled him 20 times, then we would have put him on Tippett just to completely ruin his confidence.

It would have been a blood bath.

When JGM joined Carlton prior to pre-season he was listed at 95kg. After his first pre-season you can expect 2 or 3 kg more which probably puts him in the 98kg class.

That ain't fragile! :o But I appreciate it doesn't mean strength either.

Keep in mind The Hyphen was one of the heaviest player on Carlton's list but never looked like it! But he had bones like a Hereford Bull, which says something about how hard Diesel hits!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: cimm1979 on April 08, 2016, 05:12:05 pm
When JGM joined Carlton prior to pre-season he was listed at 95kg. After his first pre-season you can expect 2 or 3 kg more which probably puts him in the 98kg class.

That ain't fragile! :o But I appreciate it doesn't mean strength either.

Keep in mind The Hyphen was one of the heaviest player on Carlton's list but never looked like it! But he had bones like a Hereford Bull, which says something about how hard Diesel hits!

(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Carlton/Images/GLASS-MCCASKER.png)

Buddy would have eaten him alive and picked his teeth with the bones.

This guy is suited to Sam Reid/ Schache types who are naturally lean or underdeveloped.

Doesn't mean he won't play this year, but he needs the right match-up.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 08, 2016, 05:19:02 pm
Keep in mind The Hyphen was one of the heaviest player on Carlton's list but never looked like it! But he had bones like a Hereford Bull, which says something about how hard Diesel hits!
Sorry Im confused (thats not hard) The Hyphen, you mean Rhys-Jones yeah? And you are saying Rhys was heavy? He was 6ft2 and 84kg. There were plenty heavier than that on our list I would have thought.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on April 09, 2016, 08:51:07 pm
Sorry Im confused (thats not hard) The Hyphen, you mean Rhys-Jones yeah? And you are saying Rhys was heavy? He was 6ft2 and 84kg. There were plenty heavier than that on our list I would have thought.

Rhys wasn't 6'2" and he wasn't 84kg, I played cricket with him, and I was an 84kg on-baller playing footy with him before he was drafted. I was significantly lighter and at 5'10" I was at least 6" shorter! The stats are you read are bullsh1t,  taken from back in the days when clubs submitted their figures unchecked by the VFL. ;)

Explain this photo for your 6'2" if you are struggling to believe it!
(http://www.blueseum.org/show_image.php?id=1575&scalesize=0&nocount=y)

Keep in mind Silvagni, Dorotich are listed at 194cm and 193cm! :o

Don't be confused by muscle mass, can be very deceptive. BTW, I must clarify my earlier statement about weight because I was excluding Madden and Kernahan. They were both ruck size and I wasn't making comparisons to rucks.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 09, 2016, 10:11:12 pm
Rhys wasn't 6'2" and he wasn't 84kg, I played cricket with him, and I was an 84kg on-baller playing footy with him before he was drafted. I was significantly lighter and at 5'10" I was at least 6" shorter! The stats are you read are bullsh1t,  taken from back in the days when clubs submitted their figures unchecked by the VFL. ;)

Explain this photo for your 6'2" if you are struggling to believe it!
(http://www.blueseum.org/show_image.php?id=1575&scalesize=0&nocount=y)

Keep in mind Silvagni, Dorotich are listed at 194cm and 193cm! :o

Don't be confused by muscle mass, can be very deceptive. BTW, I must clarify my earlier statement about weight because I was excluding Madden and Kernahan. They were both ruck size and I wasn't making comparisons to rucks.

Ran into Rhys at Box Hill buying coffee and stood next him....I'm 6 ft and Rhys probably shaded me by by about and inch and a bit......my son was with me and he is around 193cm and a lot taller than Rhys.
Rhys has a massive pair of shoulders on him though and I wouldnt want to be taking a bump from him....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on April 09, 2016, 10:41:47 pm
From my encounter with David Rhys Jones, he's around 185-188cm and his playing weight would have been around 80-85kg.

It's surprising how many AFL players are smaller than their official heights; I played basketball against Bruce Doull for almost ten years and there's no way that he is 185cm.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Professer E on April 09, 2016, 10:43:19 pm
According to his book Rhys was 188 cm and 84 kg at the end of his career.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 09, 2016, 10:49:41 pm
Rhys wasn't 6'2" and he wasn't 84kg, I played cricket with him, and I was an 84kg on-baller playing footy with him before he was drafted. I was significantly lighter and at 5'10" I was at least 6" shorter! The stats are you read are bullsh1t,  taken from back in the days when clubs submitted their figures unchecked by the VFL. ;)
Sorry LP, you are dreaming.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 09, 2016, 11:11:11 pm
To get this thread back into the topic, with an ordinary performance tonight, tomorrow's game becomes more important.
[1] The total lack of form in Rowe and Jamison may put pressure on our Match Committee to promote Plowman, if he plays well. He hasn't played a full game yet, but he has already shown more than our 2 key defenders.
It may also pressure the club to play Glass-McCasker if he comes out adequately.
I would much rather give them time, but our defence has a huge hole in it at the moment.

[2] With our forward line being ineffective, good games from the key forwards may also result in promotions.

[3] Do we have anyone ready enough to replace Whiley or Buckley yet. Neither did enough to deserve a game next week, but ....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: wooof on April 09, 2016, 11:49:02 pm
I'm inclined to to play the kids and get games into them.

For too long we have let kids never get games in the seniors, because they have to earn it (old school footy club BS). GWS and GC had to play the kids they drafted, so should we.

The only change to that is that I would switch Rowe to CHF, and give us a second large target up forward.

Having said that, I've seen enough of Whiley.

 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Jofo on April 10, 2016, 11:34:45 am
I'm inclined to to play the kids and get games into them.

For too long we have let kids never get games in the seniors, because they have to earn it (old school footy club BS). GWS and GC had to play the kids they drafted, so should we.

The only change to that is that I would switch Rowe to CHF, and give us a second large target up forward.

Having said that, I've seen enough of Whiley.

Then, when we lose by 100 points every week and our underdeveloped kids get banged-up,  the whiners start up again. We just have to let the coaches take the time that's required.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: LP on April 10, 2016, 11:38:45 am
Sorry LP, you are dreaming.

So how tall and heavy was SOS in his playing days?

Again referring to that photo, Dennis is recorded at 185cm, 9cm shorter than SOS and Dorotich. Alvin is reported at 183cm, 2cm shorter than Dennis and The-Hyphen. I assert those figures are considerably rubbery.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Mondy on April 10, 2016, 11:38:53 am
Down by 18 points at quarter time.  Plowman with 8 possessions.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Mondy on April 10, 2016, 11:40:10 am
GOALS: Gallucci, Jones.
DISPOSALS: Plowman 8, Strachan 8, White 7, Cuningham 7, Wilson 6. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Mondy on April 10, 2016, 12:24:16 pm
Down by 25 points - 58 to 33 - at half time.

GOALS: Gallucci 2, Jones 2, Gorringe.
DISPOSALS: Dick 13, Plowman 12, Strachan 12, Cuningham 12. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on April 10, 2016, 12:25:39 pm
Mr Plow smashing it by the sounds of things.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2016, 01:09:03 pm
So how tall and heavy was SOS in his playing days?

Again referring to that photo, Dennis is recorded at 185cm, 9cm shorter than SOS and Dorotich. Alvin is reported at 183cm, 2cm shorter than Dennis and The-Hyphen. I assert those figures are considerably rubbery.
I tell you what I'll do, I will email Geoff Southby this week if I get a chance and get him to ask Rhys to confirm what weight and height he played at.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Mondy on April 10, 2016, 01:16:21 pm
Down by 4 goals at 3 quarter time.

DISPOSALS: Dick 23, Cuningham 20, Strachan 19, Viojo-Rainbow, White 17, Plowman 16. #WeMarchNorth #PJVFL
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 10, 2016, 01:26:13 pm
3/4 time and we are down:
Northern Blues 8 - 5 - 53
Western Bulldogs 11 - 11 - 77

And the Dogs have kicked the 1st 2 of the last quarter, so it looks like it is done and dusted.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 10, 2016, 01:35:19 pm
Things falling apart in the last quarter: the Dogs are now over 40 points in front and have kicked 4 goals to our none.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Professer E on April 10, 2016, 01:35:42 pm
DITA at 3/4 time, just like the senior side.  What gives ?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: cookie2 on April 10, 2016, 01:37:39 pm
3/4 time and we are down:
Northern Blues 8 - 5 - 53
Western Bulldogs 11 - 11 - 77

And the Dogs have kicked the 1st 2 of the last quarter, so it looks like it is done and dusted.

Crash, how much of the game has Plowman played?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 10, 2016, 01:41:00 pm
I can't tell yet: I'm getting my info from twitter, and with very little happening that is good the posts have not been thick and fast.
When the tweets come quickly, there is a lot happening, and that is usually good for us.

I am happy to get even that, but there is nothing like actually being there.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: crashlander on April 10, 2016, 01:47:31 pm
All over and we really crashed out in the last quarter. :(

Northern Blues 8 - 7 - 55
Western Bulldogs 15 - 14 - 104

GOALS: Jones 3, Gallucci 2, Viojo-Rainbow, Jaksch, Gorringe.

Jones got 2 of his 3 in a couple of moments in the 2nd quarter. Jaksch and Gorringe got 1 each. None of these performances shouts out 'play me in the seniors' to me.

DISPOSALS: Dick 30, Tutt 27, Strachan 25, Viojo-Rainbow 24, White 24, Cuningham 21.

Tutt may get a call up with 27 possessions. Dick continues to show he has this level covered, but the questions over his pace remain. White will be in line for a game after this sort of effort. DVR and Cunningham must have shown something.

I will be interested to read any reports.
I am assuming that Plowman got 3 quarters, going from these statistics.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on April 10, 2016, 04:05:40 pm
Interesting experience out at the home of the Dishlickers... some pretty feral stuff patrolling the area!

Skill errors, turnovers, skill errors, turnovers... that was the story of the match. There were times when the NBs got a hold of the Doggies but poor finishing and turnovers cost us dearly. We won plenty of ball only to cough it up way too easily, and that was demoralising.

What is it with these last qtr fadeouts? We got to within 3 kicks of the Dishlickers at one stage in the 3rd and had momentum... but the continual poor / wasted disposals were astonishing at times. Had it not been for so many of these wayward disposals, we'd could have taken the lead. Our intensity in the 3rd was great but such poor reward for effort on the scoreboard was costly when the Dishlickers clunked a couple late.

Plowman played most of the game. What a class act, though he did appear to tire a little - his first half was something. He's really vocal on the field and works hard off the ball. Gee, whatever he does he does very well. One of those blokes who seems to have plenty of time to dispose of the ball and/or weave through traffic. His disposal efficiency would have been very high, as would DVRs who swept down back and got plenty of the aggott... beautiful kick. Improved on last week but still a way to go.

G-M battled hard and tried to take the game on and dash at times but today wasn't his day. Caught too often.

Tutt was probably our best player but don't get carried away with the stats... too many of his disposals were  turnovers. However, he worked his @rse off and created, linked and gave the side some real spark. Took a ripper courageous mark in defence. Gives his all... maybe we can transplant DVRs disposal into Tutt!

Couldn't fault Jones' attitude and attack on the ball and man. But, sheesh, I felt sorry for him at times because the delivery to him/inside 50 was simply awful. One of our better players.

Gorringe? What were we thinking?

Although Dick is slow, he really has strung together good efforts and has linked up with other defenders really well. One of our much better players. His disposal wasn't as bad as many of his team mates.

White was White... solid. Would have liked to have seen more from him at his level.

Sumner was serviceable and did some good things... you can see the class, but there just wasn't enough of it today.

Cuningham was better than last week. Got his share of hard ball and linked really well at times. Didn't see much of his dash/run and carry but a more disciplined game from him. Got caught with the ball too often for my liking. But every now and then today there were glimpses of some classy attacking stuff...just not enough though.

Like Gallucci, just needs to be 'in the game' more.

Jaksch was used mainly in defence. RR will be pleased that he actually tried some side-ways stuff... almost broke in half, but he gave it a go. Was good in contested marks and showed improved attitude/desire. Good to see him trying to impose himself on contests rather than cherry picking.

Clem Smith might be out for a while with a reckless crunch on an opponent. Did a couple of nice things but still seems too intent on making his mark as a tackler/tough guy rather than creating and hurting the opposition with his disposals.

I thought Gowers was a little better than last week. At least he puts his body into the contest.

When Wood was in the ruck we had first use more often. His tap work was pleasing and he took a couple of grabs around the ground as well, but nothing outstanding. After Phillips effort last night, probably a flip of the coin between these two.

Korcheck has plenty to learn but on the positive side of the ledger, he did do some good things... couple of effective handballs and almost a great grab up forward. Got caught badly in front of their goal which resulted in a major... Hope he keeps improving. Got himself into the right position at times.

There were things to like about our intensity and ability to win the ball, but as I mentioned before, the rank amateur disposal literally cost us quite a few goals. It's as if (and maybe the same for the Seniors) we're at stage one of turning things around (the 'reset')... be in the contest, win the contest, be bold... we just don't have the finesse as yet to get effective impact/reward from/for our boldness, but you'd reckon it'd come as long as we persist.

A few blokes might have staked a reasonable claim for elevation but really only Plowman was emphatic.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on April 10, 2016, 04:39:43 pm
Thanks Baggers  :)

We really need some of the NBs to be putting pressure on the blokes in the firsts.

It seems like Plowman was a good pick up.  I expect that he will have at least one more run in the NBs before being considered for selection.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Juddkreuzer on April 10, 2016, 04:42:29 pm
Thanks Baggers. Can't wait to see Plowman in the seniors.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2016, 04:50:56 pm

Skill errors, turnovers, skill errors, turnovers... that was the story of the match. There were times when the NBs got a hold of the Doggies but poor finishing and turnovers cost us dearly. We won plenty of ball only to cough it up way too easily, and that was demoralising.

So we practice the TO's and skill errors in the 2's it seems...sort of. It seems we are working on perfecting high risk high reward game plan. When its on song, it will be ok. ATM, we aren't executing because we are in the learning phase at it looks bad when it results in the TO's and errors.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: cookie2 on April 10, 2016, 05:23:02 pm
So we practice the TO's and skill errors in the 2's it seems...sort of. It seems we are working on perfecting high risk high reward game plan. When its on song, it will be ok. ATM, we aren't executing because we are in the learning phase at it looks bad when it results in the TO's and errors.

BB has stated emphatically, after last week IIRC, that we will be persisting with the game plan and suffer in the short term until we get good at it. It could be painful for a bit longer yet but at least it shows a long term view.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 10, 2016, 05:28:43 pm
V.Rainbow needs to keep up this bit of form he seems to be in.....Buckley,Boekhorst are struggling and Sumner needs some more match fitness....reckon the Rainbow might not be far off a game as BB is probably going to be a bit more keen to rotate and try players if we keep getting belted.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on April 10, 2016, 07:06:22 pm
BB has stated emphatically, after last week IIRC, that we will be persisting with the game plan and suffer in the short term until we get good at it. It could be painful for a bit longer yet but at least it shows a long term view.

That's my take on it too, Fluffy One. I know IF is a big word but had we hit targets correctly today I am very confident the scoreboard would have been very different. You can see there is a plan and our blokes have just got to get used to it and get ruthless with excellent execution.

Credit to Jones for not once showing bad body language at the deplorable delivery to him/forward line.

EB1... reckon you're on the money re the Rainbow. Yes he picked up a lot of easier possessions today but he did make good position and he did work hard. The strength of the bloke is his left foot... you just know he's going to hit a target. Got some good size as well, now. Although he mightn't win enough of his own ball, there's not much to lose in giving him a gig. Who knows, he might be one of these blokes who can only get so far in the Magoos but grows another leg in the seniors.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: PaulP on April 10, 2016, 08:11:20 pm
Great work Baggers, crash and others. Love these reports and appreciate the time you put in.

Reading Baggers match report (post #39), I thought I was reading the seniors wrap up. The similarities are disturbing. 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: cookie2 on April 10, 2016, 09:33:14 pm
That's my take on it too, Fluffy One. I know IF is a big word but had we hit targets correctly today I am very confident the scoreboard would have been very different. You can see there is a plan and our blokes have just got to get used to it and get ruthless with excellent execution.

Credit to Jones for not once showing bad body language at the deplorable delivery to him/forward line.

EB1... reckon you're on the money re the Rainbow. Yes he picked up a lot of easier possessions today but he did make good position and he did work hard. The strength of the bloke is his left foot... you just know he's going to hit a target. Got some good size as well, now. Although he mightn't win enough of his own ball, there's not much to lose in giving him a gig. Who knows, he might be one of these blokes who can only get so far in the Magoos but grows another leg in the seniors.

BTW, thanks for another great NBs report Baggers.  :)
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: MilkIt on April 10, 2016, 10:06:17 pm
All over and we really crashed out in the last quarter. :(

Northern Blues 8 - 7 - 55
Western Bulldogs 15 - 14 - 104

GOALS: Jones 3, Gallucci 2, Viojo-Rainbow, Jaksch, Gorringe.

Jones got 2 of his 3 in a couple of moments in the 2nd quarter. Jaksch and Gorringe got 1 each. None of these performances shouts out 'play me in the seniors' to me.

DISPOSALS: Dick 30, Tutt 27, Strachan 25, Viojo-Rainbow 24, White 24, Cuningham 21.

Tutt may get a call up with 27 possessions. Dick continues to show he has this level covered, but the questions over his pace remain. White will be in line for a game after this sort of effort. DVR and Cunningham must have shown something.

I will be interested to read any reports.
I am assuming that Plowman got 3 quarters, going from these statistics.

This surprises me because speed was one of his key attributes and why we recruited him. “He's a powerful right-footer with plenty of leg speed who makes good use of the football." - McKay
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: rocky on April 10, 2016, 10:47:52 pm
Thanks Baggers. Very appreciative of the report.
Great work!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Professer E on April 10, 2016, 10:48:09 pm
Yea, he was renowned for pace and run as a junior but was perceived to have iffy disposal.  Query on his time at the Swans was that he was played out of position (? as a third tall defender instead of as a running back), maybe because of his in-between size. 

Like yourself Milkster his problem is pace, or more correctly the lack of it from what I have seen. 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: RiverRat on April 10, 2016, 11:36:48 pm
Good report Baggers. What are the pies like in the west?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 11, 2016, 08:10:48 am
That's my take on it too, Fluffy One. I know IF is a big word but had we hit targets correctly today I am very confident the scoreboard would have been very different. You can see there is a plan and our blokes have just got to get used to it and get ruthless with excellent execution.

Credit to Jones for not once showing bad body language at the deplorable delivery to him/forward line.

EB1... reckon you're on the money re the Rainbow. Yes he picked up a lot of easier possessions today but he did make good position and he did work hard. The strength of the bloke is his left foot... you just know he's going to hit a target. Got some good size as well, now. Although he mightn't win enough of his own ball, there's not much to lose in giving him a gig. Who knows, he might be one of these blokes who can only get so far in the Magoos but grows another leg in the seniors.

Yep some players show little in the twos but go up another gear in the ones when given the opportunity...got nothing to lose given a couple of our other outside runners
cant get near the ball or hit a target...
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on April 11, 2016, 09:11:34 am
Good report Baggers. What are the pies like in the west?

Plentiful... well, they used to be!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: shadesy on April 11, 2016, 11:44:37 am
V.Rainbow needs to keep up this bit of form he seems to be in.....Buckley,Boekhorst are struggling and Sumner needs some more match fitness....reckon the Rainbow might not be far off a game as BB is probably going to be a bit more keen to rotate and try players if we keep getting belted.

You add DVR and Plowman in and our gameplan looks better again with better executors of the football. Fitness in last quarters is an issue for both sides and adding DVR and Plowman already wont help that.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Vivian on April 11, 2016, 12:14:46 pm
Great write up Baggers, much appreciated.

It is actually encouraging that the NBs and the seniors are playing a similar style of contemporary precise passing football.  It is going to result in a lot of turnovers, but they have to persist.  Build capacity and skill from the back line on and it builds. 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: RiverRat on April 11, 2016, 05:32:14 pm
Plentiful... well, they used to be!

 :))
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2016, 10:42:11 pm
The coach's evaluation of Carlton listed players:

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Northern Blues coach Josh Fraser reviews the performances of the Carlton-listed players in Northern's season-opening loss to Footscray:

14. Liam Jones

Stats: 7 disposals, 3 marks (2 inside 50), 4 tackles, 3 goals

From the coach: He was our most dangerous target on the day: he competed really well in his contested marking and his follow-up was terrific. He finished with three and was probably unlucky to not finish with a couple more.

18. Daniel Gorringe

Stats: 14 disposals, 6 marks, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal

From the coach: He provided some good service as a back-up ruckman, worked hard in patches to provide a forward target and finished with a goal.

26. Matthew Dick

Stats: 30 disposals, 11 marks, 3 clearances, 11 handball receives

From the coach: Accumulated plenty of the ball of half-back and was our leading possession winner on the day, and provided some important run and drive for us.

31. Jayden Foster

Stats: 10 disposals

From the coach: He was used at both ends of the ground, and continues to build some fitness having missed the Richmond game in pre-season.

34. Jesse Glass-McCasker

Stats: 4 disposals

From the coach: He continues to develop being his first year on the list, and showed good signs defensively while having some positive individual efforts down back.

36. Cameron Wood

Stats: 13 disposals, 2 clearances, 19 hitouts

From the coach: Cam competed well against seasoned ruckmen Minson and Campbell, and he spent time up forward too.

38. Billy Gowers

Stats: 8 disposals, 3 marks, 3 inside 50s,

From the coach: Billy spent time going through the middle and also played a role at half-back: he showed some encouraging signs in the third quarter when we were making our way back into the game.

43. Simon White

Stats: 24 disposals, 7 marks, 9 hardball gets, 6 handball receives

From the coach: ‘Whitey’ provided a real calming influence on our back six with his leadership, and he defended well and supported in aerial contests.

44. Lachie Plowman

Stats: 19 disposals, 5 marks (2 contested), 4 hardball gets, 4 inside 50s

From the coach: Another encouraging performance from 'Plow', who backed himself in the air and provided some important run for us out of defence. He’s continuing to build to full fitness.

46. Liam Sumner

Stats: 12 disposals, 5 inside 50s, 4 clearances

From the coach: Liam played forward while having a few bursts on the ball. He continues to build fitness and impressed us with his workrate. He also had a hand in setting up a couple of goals.


48. Kristian Jaksch

Stats: 14 disposals, 7 handball receives, 1 goal

From the coach: 'KJ' played at both ends of the ground, and continues to develop his game both forward and back. He kicked an important goal in the third term when he was pushed forward.

56. Andrew Gallucci

Stats: 15 disposals, 4 inside 50s, 5 handball receives, 3 tackles, 2 goals

From the coach: A small forward who applied good pressure at source, worked hard to provide an option at the drop of the ball and finished with two goals.

60. David Cuningham

Stats: 21 disposals (12 contested), 9 hardball gets, 3 clearances, 7 handball receives

From the coach: First possession around stoppages was impressive: his ability to move away from clearances and stay involved in the contest was good especially for a young player.

65. Dillon Viojo-Rainbow

Stats: 24 disposals, 7 marks, 3 clearances, 1 goal

From the coach: Big third quarter gathering 11 disposals and kicking a goal. He continues to improve after showing some good signs in our three practice matches in previous weeks.

67. Clem Smith

Stats: 10 disposals, 6 marks, 3 tackles

From the coach: Performed below expectation, but he had a couple of moments where he impacted the contest: now it’s about finding some consistency.

76. Jason Tutt

Stats: 27 disposals, 8 marks, 3 inside 50s, 14 handball receives

From the coach: ‘Tutty’ played his role as a winger well and found enough of the ball - he continues to work hard on particular areas of his game.

80. Matthew Korcheck

Stats: 5 disposals, 1 mark, 3 tackles, 7 hitouts

From the coach: He had some really important centre-bounce ruck taps, took a nice mark around the ground and was more involved this week than previous weeks - it’s a good sign of his development.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 1: Northern Blues vs Footscray at Footscray
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2016, 04:27:00 pm
The Inside Football summary of NBs performances is also a pretty good read... no fluff, no gloss, right to the point re senior selection possibility.