So nice to see Tomljanovic call out the cheating injuries, if only a few more players would do this!
Ajla Tomljanovic took exception to Jelena Ostapenko taking a suspicious medical timeout, venting to the umpire. "'You know she's lying"
The crowd knows it, the viewers know it, the fans know it, the players know it, the officials know it, the commentators know it, and nobody does a damn thing about this abhorrent tennis player behaviour!
What the feck is wrong with Euro sport, did anyone see that dive the player took at the soccer last week, he hit the deck like he'd broken a leg, was glancing around to see if anybody noticed and then when they didn't react he got up and sprinted away! What a piece of crap player and crap human he must be!
So nice to see Tomljanovic call out the cheating injuries, if only a few more players would do this!
Ajla Tomljanovic took exception to Jelena Ostapenko taking a suspicious medical timeout, venting to the umpire. "'You know she's lying"
The crowd knows it, the viewers know it, the fans know it, the players know it, the officials know it, the commentators know it, and nobody does a damn thing about this abhorrent tennis player behaviour!
What the feck is wrong with Euro sport, did anyone see that dive the player took at the soccer last week, he hit the deck like he'd broken a leg, was glancing around to see if anybody noticed and then when they didn't react he got up and sprinted away! What a piece of crap player and crap human he must be!
Was that the Italian guy who was "dying" in the penalty area then when his team mate scored, he sprung up to join the celebrations? Pathetic and why I hate soccer.
Was that the Italian guy who was "dying" in the penalty area then when his team mate scored, he sprung up to join the celebrations? Pathetic and why I hate soccer.
Don't know and don't care, whoever he is he should be sacked, contract torn up, then sent back in time to face a Mussolini firing squad such is his craptiness as a human being!
Was that the Italian guy who was "dying" in the penalty area then when his team mate scored, he sprung up to join the celebrations? Pathetic and why I hate soccer.
Don't know and don't care, whoever he is he should be sacked, contract torn up, then sent back in time to face a Mussolini firing squad such is his craptiness as a human being!
Italian soccer is the true locus of Italian culture, the place where Opera and Religion come together. Miracles and theatrics, all on show for the paying public. I love it.
So nice to see Tomljanovic call out the cheating injuries, if only a few more players would do this!
Ajla Tomljanovic took exception to Jelena Ostapenko taking a suspicious medical timeout, venting to the umpire. "'You know she's lying"
Saucer of milk for the girls? Prima donna game with the sheilas. I hate it.
Its just part of the game. Exaggerated reactions to a perceived foul.
It would be like hating footy for players touching their head like they've been decapitated by contact that brushes their head or for jumping when they feel hand contact in the back during marking contests.
I have nothing but respect an admiration for professional sportsmen (and women) of all codes because they achieve something none of us can just by taking the field.
Italian soccer is the true locus of Italian culture, the place where Opera and Religion come together. Miracles and theatrics, all on show for the paying public. I love it.
Who cares what region they are from, that staging is abhorrent, and completely disrespectful to sportspeople who are genuinely injured in the pursuit of success. As are the fake injury timeouts in tennis.
There should be fines for this behaviour an order of magnitude higher than any other offense, $100K or $1M, it's making a mockery of the concept of good sport! In fact it's not sport at all, it more likely to fit the bill of grifting!
For me, this sort of staging for frees is far far worse than the Hand of God!
We need the bloke below handling the MRP for these cases!
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They'll shoot a referee for making an honest mistake in Sth America, but they'll laud a player who cheats the system and it is cheating there is no debate about that!
Who cares what region they are from, that staging is abhorrent, and completely disrespectful to sportspeople who are genuinely injured in the pursuit of success. As are the fake injury timeouts in tennis.
There should be fines for this behaviour an order of magnitude higher than any other offense, $100K or $1M, it's making a mockery of the concept of good sport! In fact it's not sport at all, it more likely to fit the bill of grifting!
For me, this sort of staging for frees is far far worse than the Hand of God!
We need the bloke below handling the MRP for these cases!
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They'll shoot a referee for making an honest mistake in Sth America, but they'll laud a player who cheats the system and it is cheating there is no debate about that!
Its not cheating if the foul is there. The game happens in fast pace without stoppages and what appears like non contact actually hurts like buggery.
Its not cheating if the foul is there. The game happens in fast pace without stoppages and what appears like non contact actually hurts like buggery.\
You have to have contact for it to hurt, many times the dives are completely free of contact from all video angles, video does not lie but people do! This is no different to Goodes throwing himself to the deck from an air swing, it's abhorrent behaviour.
Italian soccer is the true locus of Italian culture, the place where Opera and Religion come together. Miracles and theatrics, all on show for the paying public. I love it.
That surprises me Pauly.
I notice Raducanu's retirement against Tomljanovic has caused a stir, mostly because McEnroe roughly implied to the Woke generations that they need to toughen up a bit, that life isn't a box of chocolates and if you want success against the best you need to learn to deal with the stress in competition. This came after the kid retired from breathing difficulties(Assumed to be hyperventilation/hypertension) Now I'm paraphrasing because McEnroe didn't actually say that, but that is what all the Woke critics heard.
However, as insensitive as McEnroe seems, I tend to agree!
Also had to laugh at Channel Nine news(The Dots), reporting on her pending match with Barty they described Tomljanovic as an up and coming next generation Aussie player. If I recall correctly Tomljanovich is 3 or 4 years older than Barty! :o
Staging illness, faking contact, shining lasers in the player's eyes.
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It's just a epidemic of cheating in Euro sport.
Staging illness, faking contact, shining lasers in the player's eyes.
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It's just a epidemic of cheating in Euro sport.
Sheilas game. But using lasers? Jail time. No question
@LP
I blame 99. She used a mirror to temporarily blind a bikie who was charging at Maxwell Smart in a motorbike jousting duel, allowing Max to knock him off his motorbike. Once the genie’s out of the bottle ...
Novak is the GOAT. Rafa and Federer are fading, and don't look capable of winning another big title. The younger crop of players don't seem capable of taking the next step. Novak's W/L against the other two is superior. He's equal on slams won. He's still playing great tennis and more slams and the Olympic gold are well within reach.
Well played ND.
Novak is the GOAT. Rafa and Federer are fading, and don't look capable of winning another big title. The younger crop of players don't seem capable of taking the next step. Novak's W/L against the other two is superior. He's equal on slams won. He's still playing great tennis and more slams and the Olympic gold are well within reach.
Well played ND.
Is there a difference between a winner and a champion?
Is there a difference between a winner and a champion?
He's definitely a champion. A flawed champion, a seemingly unpopular champion, but a champion nonetheless IMO.
Is there a difference between a winner and a champion?
I suspect you asked that tongue in cheek... but I'll bite, Spotted One. Champion suggests winning over a long period of time and likely breaking many records along the way.
I'm with Pauly, on this one 100%. Novak is the best I've seen in my seemingly 10 decades on planet Earth, a whisker up on Roger & Rafa.
I can appreciate where LP is coming from. Novak is merely a winner, and unworthy of the title "Champion", because of the medical timeouts, injuring lines people by recklessly hitting balls, party during covid etc. And whilst some of those antics are regrettable, they need to be viewed in a larger body of work IMO.
I can appreciate where LP is coming from. Novak is merely a winner, and unworthy of the title "Champion", because of the medical timeouts, injuring lines people by recklessly hitting balls, party during covid etc. And whilst some of those antics are regrettable, they need to be viewed in a larger body of work IMO.
I think the term Champion is too easily issued by the media, for me to be a Champion you need the whole package, you can't win on court but be an a55hole everywhere else and still be a Champion!
McEnroe winner but not Champion, Federer winner and Champion, Nadal winner and Champion??, Connors winner but not Champion, after her Naomi Osaka dummy spit I'm not sure Serena Williams is a Champion. Sampras, Borg, Agassi, Lendl, Court, Navratilova, Graf, Cawley, etc., etc.. Some are unequivocally Champions, some perhaps not!
I suppose if all fans care about is winning and not how a sport's role model will conduct themselves then they are all Champions, but it's clear then we as fans do not hold them all to the same standard. Which seems hypocritical when we lambaste them at other times for human foibles.
So I'd assert the Champion moniker is far too easily issued, winners no doubt, Champions well it perhaps depends on personal values.
We could make similar comparisons in our own sport, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Matthews, Nichols, Cable, Ablett Snr, DiPierdomenico, Flower, Bourke, Dyer, Williams, Silvagni, Lockett, Carey. All winners no doubt about it, some are the best I have seen, but all Champions, not by a long way!
I think the term Champion is too easily issued by the media, for me to be a Champion you need the whole package, you can't win on court but be an a55hole everywhere else and still be a Champion! McEnroe winner but not Champion, Federer winner and Champion, Nadal winner and Champion??, Connors winner but not Champion, after her Naomi Osaka dummy spit I'm not sure Serena Williams is a Champion.
I suppose if all fans care about is winning and not how a sport's role model will conduct themselves then they are all Champions, but it's clear then we as fans do not hold them all to the same standard. Which seems hypocritical when we lambaste them at other times for human foibles.
So I'd assert the Champion moniker is far too easily issued, winners no doubt, Champions well it perhaps depends on personal values.
I appreciate all that. But as I stated previously, it's important to at least try and look at the big picture. He's played thousands of matches over his career, how many timeouts has he called for ? Are they all fake ? Look at his charity work. Look at the work in setting up a new players union that gets a better deal for players. It's not really about just focussing on the on field and turning a blind eye to the off field stuff. On the court and off, he mixes the very good with the questionable IMO, but taking all that into account, he's still a champion in my eyes.
Look at his charity work. Look at the work in setting up a new players union that gets a better deal for players.
Not fake at all.
But I fear and think you give players too much credit for this, they barely get within arms length of these activities, they are mostly PR exercises setup by the players management group.
For example, I know a very high level AFL player who has appeared in print regularly touted for his Children's Hospital Charity work, but behind the scenes he barely turns up for 1 out of 10 commitments. His club just keeps making excuses for him, the media don't care so they never expose the contradiction.
Not fake at all.
But I fear and think you give players too much credit for this, they barely get within arms length of these activities, they are mostly PR exercises setup by the players management group.
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All that empathy I carry around - it's a real curse I tell ya.
The fact that he set it up, and it bears his name, and donates time and money to it, is at the very least a start. As a pro tennis player, I imagine his schedule is pretty full.
Definition of champion:
1. A person who has surpassed all rivals in a sporting contest or other competition.
By defintion, Novak isnt a champion yet, because he just joined Rafa and Roger on 20 slams each.
Note, Sampras was the last Tennis champion by definition on 14 slams.
If these guys arent champions there is no such animal.
irrespective of what anyone thinks of these guys, they all currently qualify as the GOAT of their respective of sport.
They are by very definition champions.
All that empathy I carry around - it's a real curse I tell ya.
The fact that he set it up, and it bears his name, and donates time and money to it, is at the very least a start. As a pro tennis player, I imagine his schedule is pretty full.
You post like they are individuals, when in reality many at that level are really an organisation.
In my experience, most of the charities are setup by sponsors, sponsors that pay the sport's star very well, and charities to which the sportsperson gets to attached their name with very little input. It's nowhere near as magnanimous as you seem to imply.
Perhaps I'm just not as forgiving as yourself.
I appreciate it's not a global perspective I hold, there are significant charitable activities conducted by sporting greats across the globe, but that does not mean they are all so inclined even though they may well be attracted to the notoriety.
Let them eat cake!
All that empathy I carry around - it's a real curse I tell ya.
Nuh. Great attribute, Pauly.
Dare I say that empathy is a 'champion' human trait? ;) :)
"Champion" is a pretty cheap tag to throw around in any sport, but especially tennis. Excluding Court and Borg IMO. They were incredible.
Nuh. Great attribute, Pauly.
Dare I say that empathy is a 'champion' human trait? ;) :)
Thanks Shano. You're much too kind.