REALLY happy those two duckheads are now locked up in Perth for flaunting covid regs.
Suffer you smart ar$es
Agreed.
Wish they were as tough on real criminals though.
Yes, but I understand the logic of fighting tooth and nail to witness a once in a lifetime opportunity.
The real question is, would it have been a factor if they didn't get caught.
Impossible to know.
A precedent is set, the reason for the quarantine violation is only a small part of the overall consideration.
The test would be the next incident, but of course there has to be one!
You would think there is a lawyer somewhere who thinks there is an opportunity to profit, they might even be keen to elicit such an event.
The NT govt want a piece of them too C:-)
Fair enough penalty imo, if they had spread Covid and lives were lost they could be spending a lot more time in court and in jail.
I gather I'm not alone on this, but there appears to me to be some disturbing differences in the public commentary around what the fans did and how they have been treated or should be treated, versus what the lockdown protestors did and how they have been treated.
I find it hard to reconcile the concept of publicly discouraging or hanging one group, while pardoning or encouraging the other, some of this apparent difference of opinion coming from the same commentators!
When you go the step further and compare the political commentary from the same critics, opinion becomes very 'plastic' and 'diverse' indeed!
I gather I'm not alone on this, but there appears to me to be some disturbing differences in the public commentary around what the fans did and how they have been treated or should be treated, versus what the lockdown protestors did and how they have been treated.
I find it hard to reconcile the concept of publicly discouraging or hanging one group, while pardoning or encouraging the other, some of this apparent difference of opinion coming from the same commentators!
When you go the step further and compare the political commentary from the same critics, opinion becomes very 'plastic' and 'diverse' indeed!
If you're saying it's a bit inconsistent to be locking up a couple of blokes who breached COVID rules vs the THOUSANDS that did far worse in Melbourne and basically only copped a fine (which, of course, they'll never pay) than yes, I'm with you LP.
If you're saying it's a bit inconsistent to be locking up a couple of blokes who breached COVID rules vs the THOUSANDS that did far worse in Melbourne and basically only copped a fine (which, of course, they'll never pay) than yes, I'm with you LP.
I'm not generally offering an opinion, just an observation of what seems to be a arbitrary and contradictory stance.
On and off over the last few months I've listened to conservative commentators bagging Andrews, ironically for conservatives defending the Unionist Protestors, and then sledging police for the penalties handed out over the protests and lockdown breaches as heavy handed and overkill. Then the very same conservatives ask for the rule book to be thrown at two people who basically crept illegally into a state and then footy game!
They offer these two rather arbitrary opinions without taking a breath, and we are apparently ignorant and left wing if we fail to heed and conform to this opinion!
I could try, but which way should I go? :o
People protesting for freedom v people falsifying documents to get across locked borders. Yeah they're nothing alike.
When, inevitably, some anti-vaxxers are caught using forged vaccination certificates or exemptions, I wonder if jail sentences for them will be welcomed or condemned.
The funny thing is that the 2 guys who went to the Grand Final would probably have regarded it as something akin to a college prank. They would have assumed people would think it was just laddish behaviour like streaking after getting drunk and would have rolled around laughing. Otherwise, they might not have been keen on posing for pictures or posting pictures on social media.
I just want to clarify that I think their offense is serious.
BUT, in a situation where they cannot legally do something like this to witness what can only be described as currently a once in a lifetime opportunity, I understand WHY they did it.
Consider it an opportunity lost between the states.
Imagine stating that you could come to WA for the grand final if you had proof you were fully vaccinated.
It would have had people lining up for their jabs months ago.
I think they planned to do it legit like the cats and Tiger fans last year quarantining in NT but then when that wasn't allowed they still went ahead with it.
People protesting for freedom ...................
Interesting, is that protesting for freedom from a position of oppression or a position of privilege?
Interesting, is that protesting for freedom from a position of oppression or a position of privilege?
For being locked in our homes for months.
The question is.....do they think it is worth it?
They could quite conceivably say yes.
The defense lawyer playing the Mental Health card is a f#ckwit though. Mental health is a serious issue but these two flogs knew exactly what they were doing and were deceptive in every way...even forging NT documents. Hopefully the NT judicial system dispenses its own justice and their penalties are served separately from this 3 month stint in jail. Maybe a few Bulldogs supporters inside can give them a bit of payback.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find somone who hasnt had mental health impacted by the pandemic.
For being locked in our homes for months.
So privilege it is then!
I think you'd be hard pressed to find somone who hasnt had mental health impacted by the pandemic.
I'm happy to put my hand up and say that it's had no impact on me. But then I was forced to do National Service and had virtually no contact with family and friends for almost two years while living and working in a very challenging environment. Fortunately, I didn't have people firing live rounds at me. They said it would make a man out of me - perhaps it did ::)
Seriously though, the pandemic may have impacted on the mental health of some folk but most of my family, friends, neighbours, acquaintances, etc are sailing along and making the best of it. I guess it's a resilience thing.
I guess it's a resilience thing.
For many how the pandemic impacts them is a choice, an attitude they take into any situation not just COVID. I realise for many it isn't, but for a lot they can basically choose how they are going to deal with it, and the vast majority of the protestors and dissenters fall into this free choice category. There are no 3rd world style victims of the pandemic here in Australia, but if minorities keep screwing over the efforts to get things back on track there could be!
Many could have done the right thing and made life easier for themselves, health workers and neighbours, but instead they chose to set the joint on fire and watched it burn! Now from a position of privilege they spend time on social media claiming their liberties are impinged, I suppose typing while they suck down some home delivered KFC, smoke a joint or snort a line of cocaine! Australia's poor poor downtrodden!
The minute Australia is loaded up on rapid antigen LFTs the borders should open, based purely on the science and compliance. No compliance no freedom, it's not that hard to understand and I'm convinced it has to be kept as simple as possible to get any significant buy in. We need the dissenting groups to become a smaller and smaller minority until they are basically outliers.
Yeah it's my mum's choice she lost her husband 3 years ago at 60 years old and left her on her lonesome.
Yeah it's my mum's choice she lost her husband 3 years ago at 60 years old and left her on her lonesome.
That is very sad, especially if she is not coping, I'm sorry to hear it.
The adjectives I use, like 'many' or 'some', actually mean something, they don't just take up space!
They broke the law. They went to jail.
There should be a hell of a lot more of it.
I'm happy to put my hand up and say that it's had no impact on me. But then I was forced to do National Service and had virtually no contact with family and friends for almost two years while living and working in a very challenging environment. Fortunately, I didn't have people firing live rounds at me. They said it would make a man out of me - perhaps it did ::)
Seriously though, the pandemic may have impacted on the mental health of some folk but most of my family, friends, neighbours, acquaintances, etc are sailing along and making the best of it. I guess it's a resilience thing.
If you can put your hand on your heart and tell me you have experienced 0 angst, anxiety, fear, frustration during this time, you aren't being resilient you are actually in denial.
Which is also an indicator of peoples mental health being impacted.
The key here isn't to minimise it.
If a pandemic doesn't cause some mental health impact I dont know what to think of you, but the fact you even stated resilience is a tell. Resilience by very definition is to have experienced the sort of impact i am talking about and then returned to pre crisis levels quickly.
You aren't resilient if you experience no crisis.