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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #45 –
Quote from: LP on
sMurph is doing OK as a SF, for every goal he kicks he'd have a hand in another at the moment.

We just do not have enough good and creative ball users to chop guys like sMurph and Betts, our real problem might be how we can get the most out of them in the twilight of their career, at least until we get some genuine replacements.

Looking at it from another viewpoint, which of the two blokes you just mentioned applies the most defensive pressure, causing turnovers and opportunities? Eduardo.

However, in the foreseeable future it really will be a mute point as both will have retired and we'll have two younger small forwards to rely on.

Both have been outstanding contributors to the CFC... in difficult times. Fortunately, Eduardo will not be lost to the club as he (hopefully) will become the forwards coach and we can p155 off the Go Dees bloke.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Baggers on

Both have been outstanding contributors to the CFC... in difficult times. Fortunately, Eduardo will not be lost to the club as he (hopefully) will become the forwards coach and we can p155 off the Go Dees bloke.
@Baggers‍ I'm not a fan of closing shop, you can end up like the Filth drinking your own bathwater!

Club's just need to be astute about appointments.

On the sMurph vs Betts issue, if sMurph wasn't pushing up the field to get on those chains of exits from D50 then Betts would have to, and that would be an opposition win as it puts Betts too far away from goal. I'm not sure you can expect much more than a goal or two per game from sMurph playing that role.

Betts kicked 0-4-4pts at the weekend, we only lost by 18pts. I thought it was the bad old Betts at the weekend, the one who flies against taller team-mates and isn't at the fall of the ball. We were smashed at the fall of the ball in our own F50, but that is not sMurph's fault because he was often in the chain of possessions out on the wing.

We miss Fisher, I see sMurph / Fisher as more interchangeable than sMurph / Betts or Betts / Fisher. Betts is there for a very different role.

Is this a player or a coaching problem we are discussing?
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #47 –
Watch Tipungwuti get a heap of cheap frees this week!

Yesterday the guy basically ducked his head and head/shoulder charged into opponents, in NRL that is a reportable offense, in AFL against the Filth he gets a free kick, it'll be even worse against us as we aren't the umpires favourites!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #48 –
Not sure what is going on with Stocker, because I didn't see the VFL game a week before, but that 30 possessions must have been spectacular because he was horrendous on Saturday. Stage fright, it won't be any better next week!

What is worse, this kid can kick, and yet he looked timid and indecisive and couldn't hit a barn!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #49 –
Quote from: LP on
Not sure what is going on with Stocker, because I didn't see the VFL game a week before, but that 30 possessions must have been spectacular because he was horrendous on Saturday. Stage fright, it won't be any better next week!

What is worse, this kid can kick, and yet he looked timid and indecisive and couldn't hit a barn!

A lot of our players seemed to be in 'over arousal' mode which often leads to skill errors and panic decisions.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #50 –
Quote from: LP on
Not sure what is going on with Stocker, because I didn't see the VFL game a week before, but that 30 possessions must have been spectacular because he was horrendous on Saturday. Stage fright, it won't be any better next week!

What is worse, this kid can kick, and yet he looked timid and indecisive and couldn't hit a barn!

I think he needs more time in the 1's. VFL footy is at a lower level to senior footy. He played 5 games in 2019, 0 in 2020, and 1 this season. Plus taking time out for personal reasons.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #51 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I think he needs more time in the 1's. VFL footy is at a lower level to senior footy. He played 5 games in 2019, 0 in 2020, and 1 this season. Plus taking time out for personal reasons.
Yep...First game back vs a very decent team and everyone under pressure didnt make for a easy transition back into senior footy.
Looked off the pace with the speed of the game, Essendon are very quick as are the Dogs so he has a couple of weeks of doing it tough and I wouldnt be playing him deep in defense where he may get a bit nervous.
He is still a kid learning and I know we want the odd messiah player or two to evolve but I dont think he is at that stage yet.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #52 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Yep...First game back vs a very decent team and everyone under pressure didnt make for a easy transition back into senior footy.
Looked off the pace with the speed of the game, Essendon are very quick as are the Dogs so he has a couple of weeks of doing it tough and I wouldnt be playing him deep in defense where he may get a bit nervous.
He is still a kid learning and I know we want the odd messiah player or two to evolve but I dont think he is at that stage yet.

Yes, agree.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #53 –
Quote from: LP on
Not sure what is going on with Stocker, because I didn't see the VFL game a week before, but that 30 possessions must have been spectacular because he was horrendous on Saturday. Stage fright, it won't be any better next week!

What is worse, this kid can kick, and yet he looked timid and indecisive and couldn't hit a barn!
Very harsh on a 6 gamer (none last year). Sprayed one badly through goals but couldn't hit the side of a barn?
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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #54 –
The next three weeks are pretty important.
2-4 at the moment
History tells us you need to win at least 12 to play finals (unless one of the sides above you is a bit dodgy with their substances).
As it is we have to win around 10 out of the remaining 16....very, very difficult.

If that becomes 10 out of 13 that 's probably when we'll pull the plug and the older players will give way to the youth and experimentation (again  ::) )

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #55 –
For me I think the sad thing is this.

If we played with the same intensity over the first few rounds that we've shown at times in the last two weeks against Port and Brisbane we'd probably be 3-3 or 4-2 instead of 2-4. We seem to react rather than act.
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Very harsh on a 6 gamer (none last year). Sprayed one badly through goals but couldn't hit the side of a barn?
One, he missed 3 or 4 targets by tens of metres.

I'm not a Stocker basher, I know this kid can kick the eyes out, what the feck has gone wrong, what have our coaches done to him?
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #57 –
Quote from: LP on
One, he missed 3 or 4 targets by tens of metres.

I'm not a Stocker basher, I know this kid can kick the eyes out, what the feck has gone wrong, what have our coaches done to him?

Probably nothing much.  Kid just played senior footy for the first time in 2 years and we were under siege for periods.

Him and Cunningham need to get the dow, o brien, Setterfield treatment and give them a chance to find their feet at this level.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #58 –
re stocker...
Just throwing it out there, but despite dominant form in the 2's and the AFL media (and a lot of supporters) calling for us to play the kids.....be careful what you wish for.

People calling for us to drop Murphy, Betts, Newnes, SPS etc......for who? For more Stocker type performances?

Now, don't get me wrong, i wanted Stocker in, i'd keep him in again this week, but there is a reason why those kids are in the 2's not the 1's.

So lets make sure everyone tempers their expectations.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #59 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Now, don't get me wrong, i wanted Stocker in, i'd keep him in again this week, but there is a reason why those kids are in the 2's not the 1's.

So lets make sure everyone tempers their expectations.
I think many of us in the boat, we want the kids in when they deserve to be in.

BB gifted kids games, and where did that get us?

The big question is why are so many of our talented kids failing, player development?
The Force Awakens!