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Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22

Reply #15
Cunningham will need to be eased back in after a knee,  can't see him impacting early in the year,  but we need his pace and spread.

Newnes,  Newman,  Setterfield, Ed... Those types are going to get phased out as the season progesses in favour of younger,  quicker options IMO
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Reply #16
I'd go with...

B   Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Zac Williams
HB   Mitch McGovern   Liam Jones   Adam Saad
         
M   George Hewett   Patrick Cripps   Zac Fisher
         
HF   Josh Honey   Charlie Curnow   Jack Martin
F   Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Jack Silvagni
         
R   Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
         
I   Liam Stocker   Matthew Kennedy   Ed Curnow
   Paddy Dow   
  This is a bit more realistic than the team printed above.
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Reply #17
I'd go with...

B   Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Zac Williams
HB   Mitch McGovern   Liam Jones   Adam Saad
         
M   George Hewett   Patrick Cripps   Zac Fisher
         
HF   Josh Honey   Charlie Curnow   Jack Martin
F   Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Jack Silvagni
         
R   Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
         
I   Liam Stocker   Matthew Kennedy   Ed Curnow
   Paddy Dow   
I would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids.  Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time.
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Reply #18
FB:  Stocker - Weitering - Marchbank**  **Plowman plays if Marchbank is not up to it.
HB:  Newman - Jones - Saad
C:   Williams - Cripps - Walsh  
HF: Martin - C. Curnow - Cuningham
FF: Silvagni - McKay - Fisher
R: Pittonet - Cerra - Dow
INT: Young - Hewitt - Kennedy - TDK
Sub: E. Curnow

EMG: Plowman - Honey - Owies

Next in line....
McGovern - Kemp - Setterfield
Newnes - LOB - Fogarty
Williamson - Durdin - Cottrell
...

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Reply #19
I would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids.  Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time.
Fisher isnt a natural forward, he made his name as a U18 midfielder and was recruited on that basis, I find it odd we try and turn players into something else and ignore recruiting specialists for specialist areas.
I think Honey and Durdin are natural small forwards and need the time in those positions to develop. I like Fisher and think he is a good footballer but I wonder in the modern game which requires mids with speed and power in the main, other than the wing where can you play him.

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Reply #20
B Saad Jones Kemp
HB Williams Weitering Hewett
C Dow Stocker Cerra
HF Martin C. Curnow Honey
F Silvagni McKay Durdin
R TDK, Cripps, Walsh

Int Young, Fogarty, E Curnow, Kennedy

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Reply #21
B   McGovern Jones Saad
HB Williams Weitering Hewett
C Cunningham Cripps Dow
HF Honey Curnow Martin
F Durdin McKay Silvagni

R TDK Walsh Stocker

Young, Cerra, Kemp, E Curnow

Emerg Pittonet, Fisher, Marchbank

Depth Williamson, lob, owies Kennedy setterfield fogarty philp carroll McDonald Plowman Newnes Newman

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Reply #22
Fisher isnt a natural forward, he made his name as a U18 midfielder and was recruited on that basis, I find it odd we try and turn players into something else and ignore recruiting specialists for specialist areas.
I think Honey and Durdin are natural small forwards and need the time in those positions to develop. I like Fisher and think he is a good footballer but I wonder in the modern game which requires mids with speed and power in the main, other than the wing where can you play him.
The reality is that not all draftees will get to play in the same position as they did through their underage years, especially those that are on the smaller side.  I just don't think Zac has enough size to consistently play as a midfielder - not just height, but also physical power. 

I would suggest that he and Jack Martin should be looking to wax the role of high half-forward with the odd stint in the middle.

And if I were Zac, I would spend some of my summer hours at Melbourne Storm and learn how to tackle consistently.
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Reply #23
The reality is that not all draftees will get to play in the same position as they did through their underage years, especially those that are on the smaller side.  I just don't think Zac has enough size to consistently play as a midfielder - not just height, but also physical power. 

I would suggest that he and Jack Martin should be looking to wax the role of high half-forward with the odd stint in the middle.

And if I were Zac, I would spend some of my summer hours at Melbourne Storm and learn how to tackle consistently.
Fair points and I think same about size and power. The other issue I have with him as a forward is his lack of marking ability. Most of the good small forwards can take a decent mark and have that as a weapon or have that express pace.
In think he is trouble with Honey and Durdin now in the frame for selection too and view them as more natural forwards.
Martin is a talent but needs to contribute more than he does...

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Reply #24
Fair points and I think same about size and power. The other issue I have with him as a forward is his lack of marking ability. Most of the good small forwards can take a decent mark and have that as a weapon or have that express pace.
In think he is trouble with Honey and Durdin now in the frame for selection too and view them as more natural forwards.
Martin is a talent but needs to contribute more than he does...
One thing Zac Fisher has above the others is he is a quick thinker.

Remember Murphys game winning goal against Freo? Have a look at how he got that ball.
Not many others would've thought to do that, nor been able to execute.

Its little touches like that which made Eddie so good.
Fisher gets overlooked for that kind of creativity because it doesn't show up on the stats sheet and its hard to see from 80m away in the stands.

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Reply #25
Its little touches like that which made Eddie so good.
Fisher gets overlooked for that kind of creativity because it doesn't show up on the stats sheet and its hard to see from 80m away in the stands.
I agree.

But as an aside, to me that is not really the problem with Fisher, as good as he can be in that small forward role it looks to me like he doesn't want to be there!
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Reply #26
I agree.

But as an aside, to me that is not really the problem with Fisher, as good as he can be in that small forward role it looks to me like he doesn't want to be there!
Didn't want to be there, but came around to it.

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Reply #27
Had this convo about 20 times. Check our Making Their Mark on amazon prime.
I know what was said, but to me it's a body language thing, he plays that role without joy or celebration.

Maybe it's just his way, but I think he is just not as invested in the team as he once was, it could of course be related to carrying injuries.
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Reply #28
I like no. 6's (Jon Dorotich) side... just a coupla minor changes for mine:

B    McGovern Jones Saad
HB Newman Weitering Kemp
C    Cunningham Cripps Cerra
HF Honey Curnow Martin
F    Durdin McKay Silvagni

R TDK Walsh Stocker

Int: Young, Williams, Hewett, E Curnow

Emerg: from, Pittonet, Dow, Williamson, Fisher, Marchbank, LOB, Carrol, Plowman & Fisher

Depth: Owies Setterfield Fogarty Philp McDonald Newnes
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Reply #29
I've gone for a tall line-up to match Melbourne's seven talls:

B:   Weitering Jones Newman
HB: Plowman Young Saad
C:    Dow E Curnow Cerra
HF:  Martin C Curnow De Koning
F:    Silvagni McKay Owies
R:    Pittonet, Cripps, Walsh

Int:  Stocker, Kemp, Williams, Hewett

Emerg:  Fisher, Fogarty, Williamson


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