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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #150 –
Quote from: pinot on
Sorry - but don't agree they are intercept defenders but think it's a little unfair to expect them to have the leg speed and ground ball skills of their opponents. If they kick it long we have it covered ground ball gets depend on too few and the balance looks messy
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.

Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.

The game is less about one on one contests  now and more about team defence.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #151 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.

Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.

The game is less about one on one contests  now and more about team defence.
Agree....with Melbourne its actually Petty who does all the monkey work defense and Lever and May who do the intercept up the ground stuff  It is more and more about covering your teammates man while he is covering someone elses man while the intercept defenders are doing their thing and it requires team defense and understanding the game tactically.
I see Weitering and Young as true KP defenders and Marchbank/McGovern as the intercept defenders.....you wouldnt be expecting the latter two to be picking up Lynch, Dixon, Hawkins etc who I would describe as Power KP Forwards given their size and strength.
The extra cm and kegs do make a big difference....

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #152 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.

Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.

The game is less about one on one contests  now and more about team defence.

They have three tall defenders = Lever, Petty and May and thats all you need. We are going into this game with four - that looks to me top heavy and having all four on the ground at the same time will have me very worried.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #153 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.

Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.

The game is less about one on one contests  now and more about team defence.

Well I don't agree that LOB is a good player etc and will likely get delisted.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #154 –
Quote from: pinot on
Well I don't agree that LOB is a good player etc and will likely get delisted.
Papers are reporting he has been offered a 2 year deal by us.
2017-16th
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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #156 –
Quote from: pinot on
Sorry - but don't agree they are intercept defenders but think it's a little unfair to expect them to have the leg speed and ground ball skills of their opponents. If they kick it long we have it covered ground ball gets depend on too few and the balance looks messy

As named, the matchups will be:

Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg

Not a lot of difference really.
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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #157 –
Quote from: pinot on
Good on him if true - still need a winger though.
Cottrell smashed the best wingman in the comp last week.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #158 –
Quote from: DJC on
As named, the matchups will be:

Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg

Not a lot of difference really.

At 76kg, Saad is little whippet isn't he? Courageous as all get out though.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #159 –
Quote from: DJC on
As named, the matchups will be:

Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg

Not a lot of difference really.


Dillon Grimes is 193cm tall and has played on and got the better of Eddie Betts and Charlie Curnow.
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Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #160 –
Quote from: DJC on
As named, the matchups will be:

Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg

Not a lot of difference really.


McGovern on Degoey looks like a really poor match up. McGovern is a good talent but expect a bit much from him to play on Degoey - he will have a field day when the ball hits the deck. Everything ese looks alright, I guess.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #161 –
Quote from: pinot on
They have three tall defenders = Lever, Petty and May and thats all you need. We are going into this game with four - that looks to me top heavy and having all four on the ground at the same time will have me very worried.
Lever might be a 'tall' defender, but he is not a key defender.
He doesn't play on big blokes.

Height doesn't mean you can/will/do play on best key forwards.

2 of those tall defenders you talk about are the same size as most of our midfielders

Have a silhouette of cripps, setterfield, McGovern and marchbank and pick which 2 are mids and which 2 are 'key' defenders. There's nothing between them.

....because they are not key defenders.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #162 –
Quote from: pinot on
McGovern on Degoey looks like a really poor match up. McGovern is a good talent but expect a bit much from him to play on Degoey - he will have a field day when the ball hits the deck. Everything ese looks alright, I guess.
I don't think Degoey will play, McGovern has a bit of speed for a taller player and is a better bet than Plowman who usually gets the job. DeGoey is an awkward matchup for sure and will require some team defending if he plays forward.
The Pies forwards are an interesting bunch given they are all very different.They have a very blue collar look to them compared to our more classy traditional big name lineup.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #163 –
A lot we could learn from how the Go Ds went inside 50 last night. Key word, efficiency. At most stages the inside 50s for both clubs were neck and neck, yet the Go Ds were 10gls up.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 23 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #164 –
Does the dees flogging the bears do anything for us,  IE knock the pies out of a double chance?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?