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Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Wish I could find the article from last Friday calling us the 'Jekyll & Hyde' of the AFL... within games! And the author of the article correctly predicted that it would be an issue against the Dawks.
It was the McGuane article in the HS, I posted it:

https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5087.msg308012#msg308012
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #76 –
Here's another article Baggers, warning this one contains footage of our captains that may offend.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-carlton-loss-to-hawthorn-stats-after-first-quarter-nick-dal-santo-says-blues-not-ready/news-story/bde6e9f69f69880914bb8dbe9cf3e7d4?fbclid=IwAR2VYHrkF5FMRIaYqVE--jMSkMeQ2-vEzzDCMO_wBMMta9kpoWC8DcOCBGo
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Cotrell seems like a bit of a mad bagger based on the video on the website. He is seen leading a chant just before the 2s run out for a scratch match, reminds me of Robbo.

I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo

I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo

I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.
Im abit over Fisher, like many younger ones on our list he provides too little too often. I would rather see something we haven't seen yet (if form warrants it).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #79 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo

I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.
Cottrel is a better footballer than people realise, but he's a meat and potatoes type, I suppose because they don't see much VFL they haven't given him any credit, but he reminds me a bit of the Filth's Nick Maxwell, I've seen Cottrel do a few Ken Hunter type things in VFL putting his body on the line, but that's VFL. Maybe he is one of these guys like Duigan or Armfield, who'll never be a star but just come in week after week and get a job done. and provide some team ethic.

I hope he get's an opportunity soon, I'm keen to see if he can go up a level and find a way to be competitive. He could easily go the other way and end up a chook runner! Plus Cottrel's disposal is a bit weak, but I wouldn't say he is any worse than some already in the team.

It's a bit sad that coaches seem unable to get over the athleticism, size and strength aspects, you'd think in particular our coaches would have learned from Gibbons it's not always about the measurements you can make.
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Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #80 –
Last listed at 181cm, 72kg.

An enforcer he ain't.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #81 –
Cotterell couldn't get the ball at U18 level, played tagging roles and on the wing.
Had a shocker U18 GF too... Pros.. he is quick, tackles OK. Philp has more upside but Cotterell will probably follow direction better as that was one of his strengths at U18 level that he will sacrifice his own game, is mature and happy to be a negative player. I prefer to be aggressive and introduce players like Philp or Dow back into the team that can win games..
 

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #82 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Last listed at 181cm, 72kg.

An enforcer he ain't.
True, but Hunter was 183cm x 76kg, he wasn't soft, size has little to do with it, Hunter was smaller(lighter) than Kade Simpson!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #83 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Cotterell couldn't get the ball at U18 level, played tagging roles and on the wing.
Had a shocker U18 GF too... Pros.. he is quick, tackles OK. Philp has more upside but Cotterell will probably follow direction better as that was one of his strengths at U18 level that he will sacrifice his own game, is mature and happy to be a negative player. I prefer to be aggressive and introduce players like Philp or Dow back into the team that can win games..
True, the U18s stuff wasn't great, but he won't be on his own in that regard, the last part of the VFL season he got to play in he was pretty good for those that got to see it. Better than we've seen from a bunch of other guys on our list and that is all I can judge him by!

While I don;t know the coaching instructions, when you a a role player sometimes how you go depends on how well others around you follow the rules! Often the U18 stuff is a side-show, with 22 individuals all trying to impress the recruiters. You get stars come out of that the fall dead flat in the AFL system because even if they had diarrhoea the couldn't or wouldn't follow a map to a dunny.
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Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #84 –
Quote from: LP on
True, but Hunter was 183cm x 76kg, he wasn't soft, size has little to do with it, Hunter was smaller(lighter) than Kade Simpson!

Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #85 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.
Yes, I'm not trying to parallel Ken Hunter to anybody, in regard to talent, but I think the size analogy in regard to being capable at AFL level is still relevant.
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Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #86 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.

And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #87 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.

And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #88 –
Hunter was "brave, courageous and bold".
He was also a very talented footballer.
He attacked the contest with ferocity, and a bit like Simpson, regularly had the crap knocked out of him

Just wondering though whether the size requirements are a little different these days with 190cm/90kg+ midfielders running around.

Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #89 –
Quote from: Lods on
Hunter was "brave, courageous and bold".
He was also a very talented footballer.
He attacked the contest with ferocity, and a bit like Simpson, regularly had the crap knocked out of him

Just wondering though whether the size requirements are a little different these days with 190cm/90kg+ midfielders running around.
But isn't that question equally targeting a Simmo or Walsh?

I think there is still plenty of space for variety, and I suspect a lack of variety is possible a very likely contributing cause for a lack of progress.

Robots only do something unpredictable or weird when they break, too many of the same and everybody knows what you are doing most of the time!
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