I won't fill in the gap until I get home after the game and the result is known. Assuming my wife will let me onto the computer after spending all day in Melbourne. :) Here is hoping for a win!
99-84. very good effort by the boys. I'll be sure to keep tipping against them.
Missed the last quarter.
How bad are the pies going?!!!!
Doc was awesome today. At the other end of the spectrum, Everitt. Embarrassing is the only way to describe him. I never want him in the side every again I dont care if he is our best kick for goal. He does not fit the mantra we are playing to now.
I love football again :D
99-84. very good effort by the boys. I'll be sure to keep tipping against them.
Me too. Commentators make me sick though. Called it a brave effort by the Pie. THEY WERE FAVOURITES TO WIN! And their recruits were awful. Howe a bigger spud than Jones. Aish unsighted and Trealor murdered by Curnow.
Everitt will drive me to an early grave. If he was switched on all game he could have kicked 5.0 goals and set up a couple more.
Cripps, Simmo, Docherty were awesome. Gibbs must love it when Crippa plays.
Doc was awesome today. At the other end of the spectrum, Everitt. Embarrassing is the only way to describe him. I never want him in the side every again I dont care if he is our best kick for goal. He does not fit the mantra we are playing to now.
After 20 touches, 8 marks and 3.1 you don't want him in the side? Don't mind that mantra, well, most of it anyway.
Doc was awesome today. At the other end of the spectrum, Everitt. Embarrassing is the only way to describe him. I never want him in the side every again I dont care if he is our best kick for goal. He does not fit the mantra we are playing to now.
How many times have we said that about Rowe over the years? :o
Missed the last quarter.
How bad are the pies going?!!!!
Clearly in a form slump, and a number of significant outs, but still enough good players to do better than that.
Full credit to our boys. They deserved that win.
I love football again :D
x1000
Happy Days...well at least this week ;D
What a game to see from the Aussie Bar in Phuket , early morning beers & a win awesome , well done boys
If Casboult could kick he would be on 1 mill per year.
After 20 touches, 8 marks and 3.1 you don't want him in the side? Don't mind that mantra, well, most of it anyway.
And turned the game Collingwoods way in the last with a couple of insipid efforts and turnovers. Still a no for me, but I dont count. Just sayin.
Daisy is almost there..... Byrne is just great to watch.... The leaders stood up....
After 20 touches, 8 marks and 3.1 you don't want him in the side? Don't mind that mantra, well, most of it anyway.
I was getting ready to sing his praises at three quarter time. It was a good first game back.
But three times in about five minutes in that last quarter he made crucial concentration errors.
Luckily they didn't cost us the game but in a tight contest this could have a sapping effect on the team.
I wouldn't drop him for that, the positives probably outweighed the negatives.... but it will be interesting to see what Bolton does.
To be a guaranteed selection he needs to eliminate those brain fades.
If Casboult could kick he would be on 1 mill per year.
He'd be a star of the comp, that's for sure.
Levi just showed that he needs to be 2nd ruck to Kruezers first ruck. 17 possessions, 12 marks, 3 goals.
Everitt, piss off. It's fine to make mistakes but on a couple of occasions he just stood and let them run off.
Simpson, Byrne, Docherty and Rowe Kudos, great game.
Kerridge looks tired and sloppy below his knees. Sumner did some good things but was missing in big patches.
Plowman needs to do more than spoil. Jammo had an easy job, run around the yank.
Great win, I actually thought we were a chance to go 0-8 so 3 and 4 is awesome. We got the right coach.
I was getting ready to sing his praises at three quarter time. It was a good first game back.
But three times in about five minutes in that last quarter he made crucial concentration errors.
Luckily they didn't cost us the game but in a tight contest this could have a sapping effect on the team.
I wouldn't drop him for that, the positives probably outweighed the negatives.... but it will be interesting to see what Bolton does.
To be a guaranteed selection he needs to eliminate those brain fades.
Yes, he brings both good and bad, like Cas. Just need to work on those negatives.
Liam Jones. Lucky charm of the year? He's hitting at 100%
And turned the game Collingwoods way in the last with a couple of insipid efforts and turnovers. Still a no for me, but I dont count. Just sayin.
Some players you take the good with the bad. Supporters often look at what players can't do/aren't doing and disregard what they are doing/can do. You produce that then you're contributing and you're obviously going to play thee next week. Obviously too he needs to continue to to that if you're going to make a few blues otherwise you're in trouble, but for all crap he contributed alot to the win too.
Great to have a good win without Murphy being dominant although Gibbs took over from him today, he was outstanding.
A few quiet players but once again it was a good team effort, Bolton has them playing as a body of men and if we keep it up we'll give anyone a contest at the very least.
Loved Levi's big goal, and can't understand the spray Everitt's copping.
Daisy's first win against his old club, and he was a very happy camper.
Bolton has brought a defensive game plan and an intensity that we haven't seen in over a decade. Even Ratts, when he has us playing at out best, we still leaked goals and often scores over 100.
Loving it.
Murph, Gibbs, Siimmo, Krooz, Cripps, Docherty all very good.
Kero, Lamb, Jones, Rowe, Army, Curnow, Daisy - A for effort.
Good to see Bolts moving Murph from the center to the wing in the 2nd q. Got him into the game. Greenwood kept him quiet up to that point.
Casboult plays the 2nd ruck position/key forward combination so well. Gets his hands on the ball around the ground and it increases his confidence no end when he goes forward. Stood out for a numbers of years. Much better than when he's just simply a key forward and stuck with all the opposition defenders. It's something the club should take more note of.
By God we expend a lot of energy for our results. ( good or bad )
Well deserved win. With 10 % more polish thats a 10 goal win.
Kudos to Caz.... best game he's played by a mile.
Missed 2 very gettable goals but kicked the sealer from 50. The pressure he must have felt would have been immense.
Everit must like losing cos he doesnt play well when we win!! Deadset awful!
Simmo Dochers and Rowe too I thought were sensational.
Well done boys ????
Some players you take the good with the bad. Supporters often look at what players can't do/aren't doing and disregard what they are doing/can do. You produce that then you're contributing and you're obviously going to play thee next week. Obviously too he needs to continue to to that if you're going to make a few blues otherwise you're in trouble, but for all crap he contributed alot to the win too.
I think Casboult's game today showed that you were pretty much on the money with regards to the best way to use him.
2nd Ruck, around the ground, with the occasional run forward....but not our permanent key forward.
I was getting ready to sing his praises at three quarter time. It was a good first game back.
But three times in about five minutes in that last quarter he made crucial concentration errors.
Luckily they didn't cost us the game but in a tight contest this could have a sapping effect on the team.
I wouldn't drop him for that, the positives probably outweighed the negatives.... but it will be interesting to see what Bolton does.
To be a guaranteed selection he needs to eliminate those brain fades.
We'll see in a week or two. Anyhow, LLLLWWW looks ok to me ;D Smash Port next week and it will be LLLLWWWW
The win was sweet :)
and can't understand the spray Everitt's copping.
It was a horror 5-10 minutes he's copping a ''spray'' for.
he's got them playing close to the best of their ability for longer in games.
The endeavour and ferocity around the contests is an eye opener. As i keep saying
with the fequency of those F50 entries, we should have won this game by 10 goals.
(if we had betts and waite right now in the team - if only)
We will continue to recruit smart, our youth will improve.
Simmo was great, love kerridge , sumner is a find, byrne is courageous
It was a horror 5-10 minutes he's copping a ''spray'' for.
He's a stop gap anyway. Charlie C will end up playing that role. But I'll take 3 goals, even with the brain fades.
By the by, Jamo looks shot. And Walker struggled, though he sucked up a backman so that's good.
Really happy with Lamb's game. Gets better every week. Sumner drifted out of the game, and should have kicked 2, but knows how to get in the right spots. Kerridge did his thing but didn't look 100%
How good is Patrick Cripps - 25 handballs.
It was a horror 5-10 minutes he's copping a ''spray'' for.
Deserves the spray but like I said supporters tend to overlook the good things and just focus on the bad. Take the game as a whole and he's played well. Bit like that last year but kicked 31 goals still. Some players will always frustrate even when though they are generally valuable. Most sides would have them.
he's got them playing close to the best of their ability for longer in games.
The endeavour and ferocity around the contests is an eye opener. As i keep saying
with the fequency of those F50 entries, we should have won this game by 10 goals.
(if we had betts and waite right now in the team - if only)
We will continue to recruit smart, our youth will improve.
Simmo was great, love kerridge , sumner is a find, byrne is courageous
Byrne is a revelation. Hasn't taken a backward step since coming into the team.
Bryce Gibbs was really good - three brownlow votes for this one
Hope Andrew Walker just blew out some cobwebs because that was a very sub average game
Sorry fans - Liam Jones not good enough and Sumner still not convinced
One thing we are doing is playing for each other like never before.
From Day 1 BB said 'if nothing else, you'll have a team that is united, playing accountable football for each other.'
TICK
It was a horror 5-10 minutes he's copping a ''spray'' for.
As my old mate Laj said, you take the good with the bad.
20 touches, 8 marks, 3 goals and a power of running is a fair day's work and I'd take it every week.
He wasn't our only player to make a couple of howlers.
Sorry fans - Liam Jones not good enough
I liked a few of his efforts (contests, taps)
If there's someone better ..sure drop him... but I'm not sure there is at the moment.
If Casboult is going to play away from goal Jones probably needs to stay until someone else steps up.
The problem is that the likely replacements apart from Jaksch are all sick or injured.
Bryce Gibbs was really good - three brownlow votes for this one
An excellent game from Gibbsy, after a rank turnover in our forward 50 in the first quarter which cost a goal.
Mistakes are worth more late in the game though, as Andrejs will tell you.
I liked a few of his efforts (contests, taps)
If there's someone better ..sure drop him... but I'm not sure there is at the moment.
If Casboult is going to play away from goal Jones probably needs to stay until someone else steps up.
The problem is that the likely replacements apart from Jaksch are all sick or injured.
atm he's all we got. This is not a BB or SOS problem, but it is one for them to fix amongst others
He's a stop gap anyway. Charlie C will end up playing that role. But I'll take 3 goals, even with the brain fades.
I think Charlie will get Jones' spot.
As my old mate Laj said, you take the good with the bad.
20 touches, 8 marks, 3 goals and a power of running is a fair day's work and I'd take it every week.
He wasn't our only player to make a couple of howlers.
I'll watch with interest.
What you say is quite right, I wouldn't drop him on that performance
If he plays next week then Bolton is on the same page...if not it will be a sign that he doesn't regard such lapses as acceptable
Great win. Boys are growing in confidence, with the game plan as well. Never want to see Everitt again playing for us if he plays like he did in the last qtr, his errors come from being lazy not from his inability. We have gone past that now.
Byrne great again busts his gut all day, will be one Bolton loves. Docherty has become a rock down back. Credit to Murph and Gibbs for leading by example and have been very good the last few weeks. Kreuzer looked more involved today has to ruck all day. Jamo looks shot.
As my old mate Laj said, you take the good with the bad.
20 touches, 8 marks, 3 goals and a power of running is a fair day's work and I'd take it every week.
He wasn't our only player to make a couple of howlers.
Its not the howlers, its the lack of effort. He stuffs up then just stops.
How many times have we said that about Rowe over the years? :o
I dont think anyone ever questioned Rowe's effort, it was his skill and execution that he was criticised for. With Everitt, he just doesnt seem, to GAF.
I dont think anyone ever questioned Rowe's effort, it was his skill and execution that he was criticised for. With Everitt, he just doesnt seem, to GAF.
Yes. Exactly.
Its not the howlers, its the lack of effort. He stuffs up then just stops.
You'll find he works as hard as anyone out there, some players just look a bit casual.
No matter what sport it is it's very hard to butter up straight away after a bad mistake, only the champs can do it consistently and Everitt is no champ.
As my old mate Laj said, you take the good with the bad.
20 touches, 8 marks, 3 goals and a power of running is a fair day's work and I'd take it every week.
He wasn't our only player to make a couple of howlers.
It's not the howlers, it's standing by watching after he makes them.
That is what looked awful.
It's all about effort from the group and then he did that.
Lazy and selfish. Luckily it didn't cost us but it could have
Yes. Exactly.
Has no second effort and sometimes no first effort. His errors come from a lazy mindset and attitude which he lapses into.
I missed the last quarter .
How many people watched Casboults goal in the last through their fingers?
I missed the last quarter .
How many people watched Casboults goal in the last through their fingers?
*Raises Hand*
We're a game and percentage outside the eight at the moment ;D
We're a game and percentage outside the eight at the moment ;D
And two games and percentage clear of Richmond. ;D
We're a game and percentage outside the eight at the moment ;D
He wont take us any further ;)...we need to sack Bolton and replace him with a coach who has finals experience, won preimierships and more importantly
has a daughter with a book to launch... :D
Good win just love it
Anyone feel like a laugh?
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=79787&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
I was wrong about Rowe (unjustified criticism), but right about Everitt (justified criticism).
Was out for lunch today but had the game recorded on foxtel....or so i thought.
For whatever reason the game still shows up to be recorded, at the time it was played, but is somehow still waiting to be recorded! :-\
Hadn't found out the result, big plus, but couldn't watch the game was infuriating.
So i caved and saw Ch7 was showing it on delay. Caught the last quarter.
Not sure what everitt did in the first 3 quarters, but based on that last quarter, i'd drop him.
Dropped 2 easy chest marks, and refused to chase his opponent in a fev-like moment when he not even 5m away! I did look up the stats and noticed he had 20 and 3 goals. Still...last quarters (lack of) effort could've cost us the game.
Daisy still going flat chat in the last 5 seconds of the game and showing much excitement after a goal and the win has to be infectious.
Who would've thought that we'd be the best of the big 4 after 7 games, which would include a loss to the tigers!
Still playing average football and are lucky to come across some very average teams so far. But i'll take it
Anyone feel like a laugh?
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=79787&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
This is worth framing....
We are Officially the Worst team in the AFL with the Worst Coach in AFL.
No GamePlan, Terrible Skills and Lack of Effort
SEASON OVER!!!!!!!!
I got two words for you people - Leicester City.
Huge man crush on Docherty after today's effort. Apart from some howlers from the usual suspects I was wrapt with the composure shown by some of our newbies today.
Green shoots? What's that bamboo that grows nearly half a metre a day?!? Go Blues!!!
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Still playing average football and are lucky to come across some very average teams so far. But i'll take it
This - in a nutshell.
These little ugly wins will do wonders. They will:
1. Build confidence in a very young group
2. Reinforce what the Boss is teaching them and make them believe
3. Learn how to win again
4. Learn what a winning Carlton dressing room fells like
We're learning how to win and will only get better as the year goes on. BB has eliminated a lot of those dumb turnovers that destroyed us under the last coach. Even when we've been playing ugly we haven't been turning the ball over near as much.
I picked us so I'm not surprised we won. We'll play better against better opposition. I wish we were playing Hawthorn next.
One thing we are doing is playing for each other like never before.
Well said GTC!
Anyone feel like a laugh?
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=79787&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Laugh! I laughed until I stopped! ;D ;D
Reading the Scum's forum is entertaining but we're pretty negative here too spending most of the 5 pages slamming Everitt. I suppose we are hard to please.
I agree with supporters over there who say they've been sold a pup and recruited badly. I rate Greenwood, but all that effort to get Trealor was a waste and Aish and Howe are bench warmers. Darcy Moore --
-- ah fug them. We won. We kicked 10 goals in two quarters. Our ball movement was slick and the way we won the contested ball was fantastic. Bit best of all were notching up more than 60 tackles a week and our set up when the opposition has the ball is great. Yeah weve got passengers. But I'm proud.
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Still playing average football and are lucky to come across some very average teams so far. But i'll take it
We maybe playing average teams at the moment but I think we will trouble the higher teams. Our defence is a lot better. We won't get cut up like we used to, we are more accountable and play for each other.
These little ugly wins will do wonders. They will:
1. Build confidence in a very young group
2. Reinforce what the Boss is teaching them and make them believe
3. Learn how to win again
4. Learn what a winning Carlton dressing room fells like
That mate is the Holy Grail! We are on the right track. As our list improves we'll get better based on a strong culture and the ability to grind out a win. I saw nothing but very happy Blues fans leaving the MCG this arvo, me included! :)
It's only a little thing but have you noticed how we've taken on the Hawthorn habit of cribbing half a step over the mark but pointing in an exaggerated manner to the notional spot to fool the umps. Go Bolts! Go!
"It was a victory that showed the Blues' progress this year under new coach Brendon Bolton, and also highlighted the Pies' downfall in 2016"
This is from
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-07/match-report-collingwood-v-carlton
I think it showed how Malthouse ruined the club and put it in shackles and threw away the key while he was in control. Surely he did it deliberately? No one could be that bad a coach? surely?
It's only a little thing but have you noticed how we've taken on the Hawthorn habit of cribbing half a step over the mark but pointing in an exaggerated manner to the notional spot to fool the umps. Go Bolts! Go!
All the 1%ers, but now you have pointed it out, the umps will pull us up now! ;)
Reading the Scum's forum is entertaining but we're pretty negative here too spending most of the 5 pages slamming Everitt. I suppose we are hard to please.
I agree with supporters over there who say they've been sold a pup and recruited badly. I rate Greenwood, but all that effort to get Trealor was a waste and Aish and Howe are bench warmers. Darcy Moore --
-- ah fug them. We won. We kicked 10 goals in two quarters. Our ball movement was slick and the way we won the contested ball was fantastic. Bit best of all were notching up more than 60 tackles a week and our set up when the opposition has the ball is great. Yeah weve got passengers. But I'm proud.
Treloar is a jet. Ed beat him today but Treloar will get better.
It's not the howlers, it's standing by watching after he makes them.
That is what looked awful.
It's all about effort from the group and then he did that.
Lazy and selfish. Luckily it didn't cost us but it could have
Gibbs is the same..... if Everitt kicks 3 he's done his job.
Treloar is a jet. Ed beat him today but Treloar will get better.
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Maybe he's beginning to think he's been delivered to the wrong air force?
irrespective, we owned them today.
They were putrid. Suck it up Figjam....and Eddie.
I didn't see or hear one iota of this match as there was no FTA coverage up here and the pub I had a pop-up shop at didn't have Foxtel either.
However, after receiving numerous phone calls and texts from around the country, the two things that appear crystal clear are :
(i) Andre Everitt will be traded at the end of this season
(ii) Nathan Buckley will be sacked (or asked to stand down) this coming Thursday
if Everitt kicks 30 odd this year you keep him .Simple.
if Everitt kicks 30 odd this year you keep him .Simple.
...and how many goals was fev kicking when we traded him out?
Do the team thing, 100% of the time, otherwise you can and will be shown the door.
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Maybe he's beginning to think he's been delivered to the wrong air force?
Serves him right.
screwing Eddie making snide remarks for 5 years about Juddy and his third party deal, but you dare mention the fraud the Pies pulled on GWS and he threatens you with legal action.
Dirty deal to a screwing pack of ****s.
if Everitt kicks 30 odd this year you keep him .Simple.
Did you see the dropped marks and the ball that bounced at his feet which he didn't go hard enough at and then both times give token efforts in the chase and even stand still on the second one and drop his head. Yes he kicked three, but if we're building a side and this goes unpunished then what signal does it send to someone like Jaksch who is yet to get a chance, but sees Everitt shirking the issue and not putting in chasing when that's why he is being held back?
Kerridge made some howlers today too, but he threw himself at the contest to get the ball back, Everitt did not.
Missed the last quarter.
How bad are the pies going?!!!!
They probably played their best football in the last quarter, but to have us win comfortably was very pleasing!
...and how many goals was fev kicking when we traded him out?
Do the team thing, 100% of the time, otherwise you can and will be shown the door.
He's soft but clearly effective. No one has suggested he's selfish....
He filled his role well enough today and could have kicked 5.....
Cut the harp.
Did you see the dropped marks and the ball that bounced at his feet which he didn't go hard enough at and then both times give token efforts in the chase and even stand still on the second one and drop his head. Yes he kicked three, but if we're building a side and this goes unpunished then what signal does it send to someone like Jaksch who is yet to get a chance, but sees Everitt shirking the issue and not putting in chasing when that's why he is being held back?
Kerridge made some howlers today too, but he threw himself at the contest to get the ball back, Everitt did not.
Yes, i was there today. He wasn't Pat Malone....
Everitt kicking goals adds to his trade value. If he won't play for the team he will be an attractive trade prospect for SoS.
Yes, i was there today. He wasn't Pat Malone....
That made mistakes I agree, but he was the only one who didn't get in and try and get the ball back after he stuffed up. Watch the last quarter again Flyboy and watch the passage after the ball bounces in front of him and he loses it then just jogs after the players, they hand ball around and he just stops in the middle of the and hangs his head. Wasn't good enough.
Everitt kicking goals adds to his trade value. If he won't play for the team he will be an attractive trade prospect for SoS.
He fits the bill. He's won a carlton leading goalkicker award, he has to go. Just like McKernan, Fev, Garlett, Betts and Waite beforehim. Kennedy never got the chance to win one.
I didn't see or hear one iota of this match as there was no FTA coverage up here and the pub I had a pop-up shop at didn't have Foxtel either.
However, after receiving numerous phone calls and texts from around the country, the two things that appear crystal clear are :
(i) Andre Everitt will be traded at the end of this season
(ii) Nathan Buckley will be sacked (or asked to stand down) this coming Thursday
Interesting thoughts, oh Sheik, but no certainty of either actually happening.
[1] Andreas Everitt: my God, he can be frustrating! He dropped 3 of the easiest chest marks that could possibly happen in football and then couldn't recover quickly enough to save the situation. He cost us 3 goals.
Then there was this other Andreas Everitt who took his opponent apart, who was too fast and who held onto some excellent overhead marks and who kicked some clutch goals. He had 8 marks, at least 3 in the forward 50 (when some weeks we have not been able to get a total of 3 marks in the forward 50). He did some excellent things and had 20 possessions. He actually made some tackles and chased without looking half paced!
If Levi's kicking is an enigma, Everitt's total play is an enigma. I cannot get a handle on the fact that he can be just so good while also being just so bad.
If he continued to kick 3 goals each week, he will be sticking around, as we NEED goal kickers. But I can just imagine how frustrated Bolton must get in the coach's box when the ball is near Everitt. You never know what you are going to get.
[2] Nathan Buckley: Collingwood did not have a mark in the forward 50 in the first half, and then only had a handful for the entire match. They were playing a team of no names and kids. They had finals aspirations.
They failed.
Buckley should be under more pressure than he is. He has got his way in so many areas, including list management. So many Collingwood premiership players were cast off. They were booing Thomas today as a traitor: they could have kept him easily enough. They only had to come close to our offer. But they weren't interested in it. They flicked heath Shaw, who is playing good football at GWS, and lots of others. Anyone who didn't follow Buckley's mantra by actually thinking for himself.
And now those pigeons have returned home to roost. Collingwood lack leadership. (Gee it is nice for some other team to have that said of them!)
I can't see Eddie McIdiot sacking Buckley: too much money to pay out his contract. But he cannot be happy (and I love that)! Maybe he should get rid of Buckley, but having burnt so many to keep in in the role, I cannot see him burning Buckley as well.
However, stranger things have happened. I wouldn't like to be in Hardwick's shoes either.
Everitt kicking goals adds to his trade value. If he won't play for the team he will be an attractive trade prospect for SoS.
I'll be gobsmacked if he's traded.
He fits the bill. He's won a carlton leading goalkicker award, he has to go. Just like McKernan, Fev, Garlett, Betts and Waite beforehim. Kennedy never got the chance to win one.
Your talking about the past K, hopefully things have now improved from those dark days. Take Everitt on his own merits, if he won't do the key team things set by BB quite simply he will go. We don't want to end up as a loser team again even if Andrejs does win highest goal kicker as a member of it.
Cripps doesn't want to kick. He had so many chances to put it on the boot today but didn't. Just loves drawing the heat and then farming the handball out to someone in space. 29 pos 19 contested 9 clearances. Still not at his absolute peak with a few fumbles and missed handballs (splitting hairs).
Docherty - went to a whole new level today. Looked like Bruce Doull back there - clean hands, kept running away from half back. Such a calming influence on the others.
Simmo - 31 pos at 90%. I can't remember the 10% that missed a target. Awesome.
Gibbs - he is such a front-runner but had a good game today. Those 3 goals we poise and class. A few of his teammates stuffed up sitters but he was just calm.
Rowe was pretty solid today.
Armfield did some really good things. Competitor.
Everitt and Walker looked short of a run today. Everitt - wow he does some bad things - like dropping easy chest-marks then panick turnover then doesn't chase to make up for his bad play. Wasn't terrible overall but... coach killer.
Plowman had his worst game but wasn't terrible. We missed Weitering at times.
That made mistakes I agree, but he was the only one who didn't get in and try and get the ball back after he stuffed up. Watch the last quarter again Flyboy and watch the passage after the ball bounces in front of him and he loses it then just jogs after the players, they hand ball around and he just stops in the middle of the and hangs his head. Wasn't good enough.
Its with 12:46 to go.
What really matters is what Bolton does with Everitt.
It's up to him to weigh up the positives and negatives and I'll back him to make the right call.
That will be interesting and tell us a bit about his expectations
It's not the howlers, it's standing by watching after he makes them.
That is what looked awful.
It's all about effort from the group and then he did that.
Lazy and selfish. Luckily it didn't cost us but it could have
That's because those 20 touches, 8 marks and 3 goals people are disregarding had us far enough in front, meaning we won. If he hadn't stuffed a couple of things up those figures become even bigger. See, even a positive side to that. If he just stuffs up, is lazy, doesn't get the ball or kick goals then he gets dropped, as those are the provisos for those sins, but if he performs like he did for most of the day you live with the frustration as he's contributing heavily overall when the good and bad are taken into account.
You don't always get the perfect player. You look at what a player CAN do compared to their faults then weigh up the value from there. Then you make decisions. Supporters invariably only look at what a player CAN'T do.
Supporters invariably only look at what a player CAN'T do.
Strange comment. Most people have been very even with Everitt and repeatedly point out how we won the goalkicking last year as a positive but he comes with a massive downside. Bolton can't keep guys in the team if they're not doing the right thing regardless of upside.
Everitt kicking goals adds to his trade value. If he won't play for the team he will be an attractive trade prospect for SoS.
Even if he kicks 30 in the year, by my reckoning he will have lost us 45 goals by his lackadaisical approach so that gives him a debit account. Either has no heart or just doesn't care or more likely both. TRADE HIM!
Strange comment. Most people have been very even with Everitt and repeatedly point out how we won the goalkicking last year as a positive but he comes with a massive downside. Bolton can't keep guys in the team if they're not doing the right thing regardless of upside.
Agree. If the bad things are tolerated it sends a bad message and undernines the belief of other players. Why should they do the right things if he doesn't have to?
BB doesn;t need to drop Everitt (yet). He needs to educate him out of those little lapses. If BB can't educate them out of him, then maybe no one can. I got a feeling Dre will get a few viewings of that particular effort during the week. We'll see how he responds. Might be a turning point?
Strange comment. Most people have been very even with Everitt and repeatedly point out how we won the goalkicking last year as a positive but he comes with a massive downside. Bolton can't keep guys in the team if they're not doing the right thing regardless of upside.
Like I said, most supporters usually focus on what a player can't do then try to justify it when it's pointed out. Has been the way for years. Won't go away from that comment as it's true. For example, how many people wanted Casboult dropped because he couldn't kick straight despite the fact is was playing well generally and many marks he takes around the ground. Today was the reason why he wasn't dropped and Bolton was never going to drop him. People forgot he actually had a big upside.
Coaches aren't stupid. If a player with a big downside is getting touches, taking marks and kicking goals the coach will play him. They're job depends on results. The moment they're not doing that their downside will get them dropped very quickly as that will turn a coach's frustration to being pissed off.
Everitt kicking goals adds to his trade value. If he won't play for the team he will be an attractive trade prospect for SoS.
As someone said on BigFooty the issue with AE isn't the mistakes but that he chucks the towel in and doesn't give a second effort. And when everyone else is doing it, even limited (spud) players like Jones, it stands out like a sore thumb. At the end of the day he and Walker (who has been a decent enough servant but I think is counting down to his 200th game) and Jamo (who looks totally lethargic) are likely playing their last year. And with AE there's a chance to pick something up for him.
I'm really not sure what is more enjoyable about today's win. The 4 points......or seeing Eddie's head about to explode. ????
I thought Kade was outstanding.
Agree. If the bad things are tolerated it sends a bad message and undernines the belief of other players. Why should they do the right things if he doesn't have to?
Because they win games of football for you. That's the reason why you're out there. Some things supporters think coaches do are overrated hence they don't get dropped despite the frustration. You prefer him not out there and we lost?
If that's the way they play though the proviso is they keep performing otherwise they will be dropped faster.
He got 20 touches, 8 marks and kicked 3 vital goals. Hopefully no-one missed that part.
I'm really not sure what is more enjoyable about today's win. The 4 points......or seeing Eddie's head about to explode. ????
I thought Kade was outstanding.
You can have joint most enjoyables...lol.
Your talking about the past K, hopefully things have now improved from those dark days. Take Everitt on his own merits, if he won't do the key team things set by BB quite simply he will go. We don't want to end up as a loser team again even if Andrejs does win highest goal kicker as a member of it.
The past was only last year. The present is he continued that form.
Not sure if we do this every week, but at 3 qtr time the players formed a circle in the style of the after-game song. Pledging their commitment to eachother? Collingwood bunched up a momentarily but nothing as prolonged or seemingly intent as what we did.
Might be reading too much into it but it gave me confidence that we would hang on.
Gah Everitt... Will be weeded out. Just stood there when he coughed it up again. Was probably spent, but not a good look.
Good win today. Would love to hear from some of the Gibbs-haters, he was just outstanding today
Not sure if we do this every week, but at 3 qtr time the players formed a circle in the style of the after-game song. Pledging their commitment to eachother? Collingwood bunched up a momentarily but nothing as prolonged or seemingly intent as what we did.
Might be reading too much into it but it gave me confidence that we would hang on.
I noted that and commented during the in game thread. I have never seen it before, I liked it. Game was in the balance and I think BB was trying to drive the "stick to the process" mssg.
Good win today. Would love to hear from some of the Gibbs-haters, he was just outstanding today
3 weeks in a row.
I like how "dull" BB's pressers are. He basically says the same thing every week. And repeats the same message more than once in the presser, but with zero arrogance or ego.*
Compare to MM who had the whole put on my glasses and check the stats sheet twitch and then just say any old crap because I'm Mick and deserve respect.
* I thought his mention of Barker and Clarke was all class. Seriously, zero ego.
I like how "dull" BB's pressers are. He basically says the same thing every week. And repeats the same message more than once in the presser, but with zero arrogance or ego.*
Compare to MM who had the whole put on my glasses and check the stats sheet twitch and then just say any old crap because I'm Mick and deserve respect.
* I thought his mention of Barker and Clarke was all class. Seriously, zero ego.
Bizzare how I just watched it 10 mins ago and thought the very same thing. He doesnt talk about match ups, strategy, umpires,nothing. Just the same thing about "us not me" stuff, process and systems. Its pleasantly different.
Good win today. Would love to hear from some of the Gibbs-haters, he was just outstanding today
Not a hater but have not been a fan either...been saying for ages he needs to spend more time forward where he can be creative and kick some goals.
Did a poor turnover early in the game but from then on he was very good....
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2016-05-07/nathan-buckley-speaks-postmatch (http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2016-05-07/nathan-buckley-speaks-postmatch)
Cripps doesn't want to kick. He had so many chances to put it on the boot today but didn't. Just loves drawing the heat and then farming the handball out to someone in space. 29 pos 19 contested 9 clearances. Still not at his absolute peak with a few fumbles and missed handballs (splitting hairs).
Docherty - went to a whole new level today. Looked like Bruce Doull back there - clean hands, kept running away from half back. Such a calming influence on the others.
Simmo - 31 pos at 90%. I can't remember the 10% that missed a target. Awesome.
Gibbs - he is such a front-runner but had a good game today. Those 3 goals we poise and class. A few of his teammates stuffed up sitters but he was just calm.
Rowe was pretty solid today.
Armfield did some really good things. Competitor.
Everitt and Walker looked short of a run today. Everitt - wow he does some bad things - like dropping easy chest-marks then panick turnover then doesn't chase to make up for his bad play. Wasn't terrible overall but... coach killer.
Plowman had his worst game but wasn't terrible. We missed Weitering at times.
Walker should have played Nb's..was a passenger all day and needs a couple of games to get the rust out....
Everitt was Everitt....capable goalkicker but lazy at crucial contests..
Rowe...solid and one of his best games, got to admire a bloke who came back from serious illness and who was just a handy SANFL player...think he is important to us
and gives Weitering and Plowman some cover..
Plowman..was woeful...fumbled, looked uncomfortable vs the bigger White but all players have an off day and I still like the way
he goes about his footy and is very disciplined.
Docherty is a very good player and one of first picked IMO......
Simpson...brave little soldier who keeps surprising, just when you think he might be on the way out he bursts out of defense, beats two or three players and
hits some good targets, should keep playing next season.
Last 6 outings v Pies
Pies
Pies
Pies
Pies by 75 - MM's record game :o (deliberate someone asked.... You think)
Pies
BLUES
The tide is turning ^-^
The past is gone
Bring on the new Blues - we're just starting and Bolts has already ironed out some wrinkles. Imagine having another injection of fresh talent over the next couple of years.
He wont take us any further ;)...we need to sack Bolton and replace him with a coach who has finals experience, won preimierships and more importantly
has a daughter with a book to launch... :D
Watch it EB; you'll be banned ;)
I spent the day on the Birdsville Track and only got the scores through updates during Geelong's dismantling of Wet Toast.
By all accounts it was a great win but then I read negative crap about players that are ranked in our best by neutral observers????
Hopefully I'll be able to watch a replay tomorrow.
Watch it EB; you'll be banned ;)
I spent the day on the Birdsville Track and only got the scores through updates during Geelong's dismantling of Wet Toast.
By all accounts it was a great win but then I read negative crap about players that are ranked in our best by neutral observers????
Hopefully I'll be able to watch a replay tomorrow.
Happy to say I dont agree with some of that banning...bit of robust colourful debate is ok IMO...anyway....You will enjoy the game DJ....it was a good game of footy and one we could have lost but Bolton has instilled some of that Hawthorn grit, unity and mental strength and this is the first Carlton team I have seen for a while that really plays like a united team..
Having three wins in a row, now is a good time to look at our players. I've seen the last two wins, and watched the Freo game on tv, so here's my two cents:
1 Walker - looked so underdone today, but really liked the way he seemed to realise that and worked so hard on the defensive side of his game, needs a couple of games but worth persisting with
3 Murphy - heavy tag today, but continues to work his butt off and put his head over the ball, showing great leadership by example
4 Gibbs - outstanding today, in great form and is consistently showing his class and hurting the opposition, would be winning our B&F right now I think
6 Simpson - excellent game today, yet again, our most courageous player, rose again in the last quarter and got us home, gets criticised for his disposal, but I can't remember his last clanger turnover
8 Kreuzer - is really rolling at the moment, tapwork is excellent, marking around the ground better than ever, and is a real force around the clearances, to go better when Phillips not playing and gets more time on the ball
9 Cripps - future star, almost there now, you have to watch carefully to see all of the great things he does in tight, just makes good decisions all the time and executes well, will continue to improve but is already in our top 4 players
11 Kerridge - works really hard and did a lot of good things today, just rushes on occasion, not as polished as I thouht when we got him, but runs and works so hard, we just need to get him to relax and use his skills better
13 Lamb - impressed with this guy, works very hard, spent some time in the centre square midfield today and did some good work, needs some confidence i think and back himself, could be a real asset
14 Jones - Tries hard but limited, not in our next premisership team
15 Docherty - what a steal this guy is, cool and composed, reads the play beautifully and uses the ball as well as anyone we have, was a key player today and last week, a key plank of our team going forward
17 Rowe - very good again today, concentrates well and is a real team player, limited in some aspects, but gives his all, which we need until we improve the list
19 Sumner - starting to really believe in this guy, did some very good work today, runs so hard without the ball, is definitely a keeper and will improve over the next couple of years
20 Plowman - big wraps and has done some nice work, but seems a bit unsure at times, needs confidence, get some games into him and encourage him to take the game on, will always lose some one on one contests with bigger opponents, but needs to be encouraged to run off them when we have the ball
27 Armfield - tried hard all day, did some useful things but applied a lot of chase and tackle pressure which I assume is his main KPI, love his effort and commitment, unquestionable
33 Everitt - Dr Jekkly and Mr Hyde - so many good things and so many bad things
35 Curnow - Outstanding again from Ed, made Treloar almost irrelevant and got planty of it himself, just about our most consistent player over the last 12 months IMO, one of our best
39 Thomas - averege game, tried hard after elbow injury early
40 Jamieson - tried hard but seems restricted, can't question his commitment, and did a good job of negating his various opponents throughout the game
41 Casboult - outstanding again, marked everything, kicked pretty well, underrated on this site, work rate is first class
42 Touhy - very solid game, took risks at the right times, kicking very good
46 Wright - solid contribution again, a good pick up, very smart and uses the ball well
Everitt copped flak for some poor/lame contesting but in the interests of fairness Kerridge needs to do better than that marking attempt on the wing when there was no one near him and he ducked the head/had the arms only half up when he thought he was going to take a hit...most players do it at some stage of their career but the good ones rarely do it again.
I'll be watching Kerridge closely in the future...shame as he worked hard during the game and his other contesting at ground level was good...
The past was only last year. The present is he continued that form.
The "past" was in reference to the other players mentioned who are no longer with us i.e. are now part of our past AFAIC. I presume you're talking about Everitt in reference to "he in the present" who I stated we should take on his own merit and he really has nothing to do with those "past" guys - the club shows clear indications that it has moved on strongly, even from only last year.
Having three wins in a row, now is a good time to look at our players. I've seen the last two wins, and watched the Freo game on tv, so here's my two cents:
1 Walker - looked so underdone today, but really liked the way he seemed to realise that and worked so hard on the defensive side of his game, needs a couple of games but worth persisting with
3 Murphy - heavy tag today, but continues to work his butt off and put his head over the ball, showing great leadership by example
4 Gibbs - outstanding today, in great form and is consistently showing his class and hurting the opposition, would be winning our B&F right now I think
6 Simpson - excellent game today, yet again, our most courageous player, rose again in the last quarter and got us home, gets criticised for his disposal, but I can't remember his last clanger turnover
8 Kreuzer - is really rolling at the moment, tapwork is excellent, marking around the ground better than ever, and is a real force around the clearances, to go better when Phillips not playing and gets more time on the ball
9 Cripps - future star, almost there now, you have to watch carefully to see all of the great things he does in tight, just makes good decisions all the time and executes well, will continue to improve but is already in our top 4 players
11 Kerridge - works really hard and did a lot of good things today, just rushes on occasion, not as polished as I thouht when we got him, but runs and works so hard, we just need to get him to relax and use his skills better
13 Lamb - impressed with this guy, works very hard, spent some time in the centre square midfield today and did some good work, needs some confidence i think and back himself, could be a real asset
14 Jones - Tries hard but limited, not in our next premisership team
15 Docherty - what a steal this guy is, cool and composed, reads the play beautifully and uses the ball as well as anyone we have, was a key player today and last week, a key plank of our team going forward
17 Rowe - very good again today, concentrates well and is a real team player, limited in some aspects, but gives his all, which we need until we improve the list
19 Sumner - starting to really believe in this guy, did some very good work today, runs so hard without the ball, is definitely a keeper and will improve over the next couple of years
20 Plowman - big wraps and has done some nice work, but seems a bit unsure at times, needs confidence, get some games into him and encourage him to take the game on, will always lose some one on one contests with bigger opponents, but needs to be encouraged to run off them when we have the ball
27 Armfield - tried hard all day, did some useful things but applied a lot of chase and tackle pressure which I assume is his main KPI, love his effort and commitment, unquestionable
33 Everitt - Dr Jekkly and Mr Hyde - so many good things and so many bad things
35 Curnow - Outstanding again from Ed, made Treloar almost irrelevant and got planty of it himself, just about our most consistent player over the last 12 months IMO, one of our best
39 Thomas - averege game, tried hard after elbow injury early
40 Jamieson - tried hard but seems restricted, can't question his commitment, and did a good job of negating his various opponents throughout the game
41 Casboult - outstanding again, marked everything, kicked pretty well, underrated on this site, work rate is first class
42 Touhy - very solid game, took risks at the right times, kicking very good
46 Wright - solid contribution again, a good pick up, very smart and uses the ball well
Thanks, great summary! (But you're 1 Irishman short!!)
Byrne is Gun
Because they win games of football for you. That's the reason why you're out there. Some things supporters think coaches do are overrated hence they don't get dropped despite the frustration. You prefer him not out there and we lost?
If that's the way they play though the proviso is they keep performing otherwise they will be dropped faster.
He got 20 touches, 8 marks and kicked 3 vital goals. Hopefully no-one missed that part.
Argue away Jim but I guess we'll see over the year. If AE does not improve his "doing the team thing" by end of year then I'm sure he will be "cashed in" - another club to add to his collection, he'll end up with more than Adam Scott.
I guess the cold reality is that we've beaten 3 very ordinary sides …in succession... however, we've done it with an ordinary forward line and other obvious flaws. Provocatively, I doubt we could have or would have won all three under the previous coaching in our recent past. In fact, I'm bloody sure of it.
The most telling comment I have heard from any neutral observer of our club this year is, 'there's obviously buy in from the players' (re coach). To me, this is the most pleasing aspect of CFC 2016... even with an uneven list. This has not happened at our club since the late 1990s - Parko.
Very telling is how the new coaching group has turned our leaders into much better leaders. Our leaders now take responsibility in heat and give/show direction. Simmo played like a 23 yr old in that last qtr today. Seeing Gibbs lay hard tackles yet, also, display his finesse and hurt the opposition with his disposals and attitude proves 'buy in.'
Today we kicked our highest score for the year yet still keeping our opponents to a modest score.
We won today even with some very obvious passengers - Jammo, Walker, Plowman, Rowe, Jones and perhaps even Sumner. But even though these blokes didn't have great days they did pitch in at critical moments to give a positive contribution - we just needed more from them.
Meat has to be shielded from the media (and their neurotic obsession with his kicking). The obsession with his kicking spanks of 'needing something to say.' What was convincing today re Meat was how he loves a run in the ruck. What a quandary... Kreuz does better when rucking mostly but then there's this bloke Phillips who's coming along in leaps and bounds and probably should be our no. 1 ruckman. It's no accident that Meat was so good today when he was also able to ruck.
Jones - must understand that he only gets success when he works really hard, all of the time.
Everitt - most here know I am not a fan of Andre, in fact, a critic. To further explain, I am not a fan of any bloke who seems to have not bought into the team ethic; who is soft at very physical contests; who relies on talent alone (although this may see a goal or three) and seem to refuse to HURT for the team – Andre seems to be the sort of bloke who’ll do anything as long as he won’t break a finger-nail in the process. And because he actually has real talent and skills, and shows them on the ground, we'll want to believe he is the real deal. He aint.
Andre has very obvious talent but is better suited to a non-contact sport. So, if he stays in the seniors, others will have to cover for him at crucial times. Sorry, but he's psychologically soft and just not a 'team' person.
Rowe wasn't a passenger.
Good again.
Think a few of you are going way over the top on Everitt. No where near as bad as is being made out.
Anyway, another good honest performance. Enjoy it folks.
Rowe wasn't a passenger.
Good again.
Rowe's last 3 weeks have been as good a footy as he's ever played.....I'd totally & utterly written him off, but today he was particularly outstanding.....hats off to the guy, he's making me eat a big slice of humble pie right now.
Docherty.....wow - how good was that game? Deadset gun.
Easily Casboult's best all-round game & Simmo's last quarter.....spectacular.
Cripps......I get all giddy watching him play......Judd-like crowd reaction when he gets the ball in space - will win 3 Brownlows :D
Kreuzer's best game for some time & Ed Curnow is just a brilliant foot-soldier to have in the team - so much grunt work & so effective.
Murph was solid & Gibbs' 2nd half in particular was superb.
Everitt did his darndest to lose us the game, Walker was meh & Jamo looks out of place in this team now.....
Geez it feels good to beat that mob again.
I'm no Gibbs fan but he played very well.
He actually even chased hard a few times!
Where has that come from?
I hope he turns this into a great season, Adelaide will pay overs.
Casboult is great when he gets physical.
He hurts opposition players like no one else but doesn't do it enough. I don't think he has ever been reported?
When he dumps someone or crashes a pack they stay hit.
That marking yday was as good as you will see.
As for Docherty, hats off. Outstanding game, hard at it, uncompromising, attacking. Great half back footy.
I guess the cold reality is that we've beaten 3 very ordinary sides …in succession... however, we've done it with an ordinary forward line and other obvious flaws. Provocatively, I doubt we could have or would have won all three under the previous coaching in our recent past. In fact, I'm bloody sure of it.
The most telling comment I have heard from any neutral observer of our club this year is, 'there's obviously buy in from the players' (re coach). To me, this is the most pleasing aspect of CFC 2016... even with an uneven list. This has not happened at our club since the late 1990s - Parko.
Very telling is how the new coaching group has turned our leaders into much better leaders. Our leaders now take responsibility in heat and give/show direction. Simmo played like a 23 yr old in that last qtr today. Seeing Gibbs lay hard tackles yet, also, display his finesse and hurt the opposition with his disposals and attitude proves 'buy in.'
Today we kicked our highest score for the year yet still keeping our opponents to a modest score.
We won today even with some very obvious passengers - Jammo, Walker, Plowman, Rowe, Jones and perhaps even Sumner. But even though these blokes didn't have great days they did pitch in at critical moments to give a positive contribution - we just needed more from them.
Meat has to be shielded from the media (and their neurotic obsession with his kicking). The obsession with his kicking spanks of 'needing something to say.' What was convincing today re Meat was how he loves a run in the ruck. What a quandary... Kreuz does better when rucking mostly but then there's this bloke Phillips who's coming along in leaps and bounds and probably should be our no. 1 ruckman. It's no accident that Meat was so good today when he was also able to ruck.
Jones - must understand that he only gets success when he works really hard, all of the time.
Everitt - most here know I am not a fan of Andre, in fact, a critic. To further explain, I am not a fan of any bloke who seems to have not bought into the team ethic; who is soft at very physical contests; who relies on talent alone (although this may see a goal or three) and seem to refuse to HURT for the team – Andre seems to be the sort of bloke who’ll do anything as long as he won’t break a finger-nail in the process. And because he actually has real talent and skills, and shows them on the ground, we'll want to believe he is the real deal. He aint.
Andre has very obvious talent but is better suited to a non-contact sport. So, if he stays in the seniors, others will have to cover for him at crucial times. Sorry, but he's psychologically soft and just not a 'team' person.
Reading some of these posts you'd think we'd lost.
That said Agree with most of that apart from sumner and plot an being passengers. Summers best game for the club. Plot an was quiet but quite happy for him not to be noticed.
Also, players were invested in the Wayne Britain game plan. Should never have got rid of him...
Rowe wasn't a passenger.
Good again.
Yep
Rowe wasn't a passenger.
Good again.
X 2. Rowe was certainly no passenger. Anyway the CFC train "is not taking passengers!" I heard that as I was getting off the train at my station last night.
Coaches aren't stupid. If a player with a big downside is getting touches, taking marks and kicking goals the coach will play him.They're job depends on results. The moment they're not doing that their downside will get them dropped very quickly as that will turn a coach's frustration to being pissed off.
I have no doubt you believe this as you've said it for a decade now.
However, like in the past, it is simply not that simple.
Results now, or results in 3 years.
If you overlook poor behaviour now, it will continue and spread and still be there in 3 years. Now, when wins are not the highest priority, is when you try and weed out the poor behaviour. That was it doesn't come back to bite you when you can least afford it too.
Be that with Everitt, Murphy or anyone else inbetween. Sort it out now!
Good win today. Would love to hear from some of the Gibbs-haters, he was just outstanding today
I wouldn't say I was a Gibbs hater more a Gibbs frustrater.
Can be classy, silky and smooth one moment then lack vigour and intent next.
The last few games he has shown what he is capable of and that is fantastic because when he is switched on he is a pleasure to watch and we win.
Way to step up Gibbsy.
I wouldn't say I was a Gibbs hater more a Gibbs frustrater.
Can be classy, silky and smooth one moment then lack vigour and intent next.
The last few games he has shown what he is capable of and that is fantastic because when he is switched on he is a pleasure to watch and we win.
Way to step up Gibbsy.
I think 2014 showed what was capable of when he won the B&F. Even 2013 was good. When did he rip the pec muscle? Was it end of 2014 or early 2015? Clearly hampered by it, probably the body is right now and confidence is back. I remember an interview with him and how he said Dean Laidley worked very closely with him to help him stayed "switched on" for longer periods and how it was a concentration and confidence thing for him. Maybe its all coming back to him now. Lets hope.
Go Blues
X 2. Rowe was certainly no passenger. Anyway the CFC train "is not taking passengers!" I heard that as I was getting off the train at my station last night.
A guy on TC is calling him ROWEVAGNI!!!
A guy on TC is calling him ROWEVAGNI!!!
That is going a bit too far. Rowe fumbles too much to be a Silvagni - type. But he is playing very well at the moment and is the key tall defender. His body work and concentration have been excellent, much improved over the first couple of weeks.
That is going a bit too far. Rowe fumbles too much to be a Silvagni - type. But he is playing very well at the moment and is the key tall defender. His body work and concentration have been excellent, much improved over the first couple of weeks.
I believe his tongue is firmly in his cheek.
But Rowe has been good to very good three weeks in a row. Out bodying and out playing old hands like Pav and young guns like Moore and Daniher.
That people still want to bag him out say a lot about their ingrained insecurity about being wrong.
A guy on TC is calling him ROWEVAGNI!!!
:))
A guy on TC is calling him ROWEVAGNI!!!
Hey Cimm...Keogh and Caz still going hard at it on TC?
I believe his tongue is firmly in his cheek.
But Rowe has been good to very good three weeks in a row. Out bodying and out playing old hands like Pav and young guns like Moore and Daniher.
That people still want to bag him out say a lot about their ingrained insecurity about being wrong.
The reason that people "bag him out" is the dropped marks and the lack of agility, both traits that are needed at FB/CHB. I would love to know how many uncontested overhead marks Sam has dropped this season.
That being said he was excellent yesterday against a young athletic opponent. I think he gets the team defence we are going with much more than Jammo and that's why he is played ahead of him. Sam Rowe will never drop his head and sulk, will give 100% and at the moment he is our best big defender.
Start marking the overhead marks and Sam is a lock for another 2 years.
Yeah buddy!!! Loved that we didn't fold. Really liking what the carriage brings to the side. He stands up strong in tackles and is really hard to bring down. Something really lacking in a bunch of players.
Imagine if we had a big guy who could play forward. We'd have done them over by 10 goals :)) :))
Hey Cimm...Keogh and Caz still going hard at it on TC?
Nah,
Keogh posts very rarely and Caz the same.
Caz cops a lot of personal abuse from posters because of hi association with the club.
Reading some of these posts you'd think we'd lost.
That said Agree with most of that apart from sumner and plot an being passengers. Summers best game for the club. Plot an was quiet but quite happy for him not to be noticed.
Also, players were invested in the Wayne Britain game plan. Should never have got rid of him...
We were the worst side last year.
Struggled to win 4 games. We beat whoever we put in front of us and that's a good thing.
The reason that people "bag him out" is the dropped marks and the lack of agility, both traits that are needed at FB/CHB. I would love to know how many uncontested overhead marks Sam has dropped this season.
That being said he was excellent yesterday against a young athletic opponent. I think he gets the team defence we are going with much more than Jammo and that's why he is played ahead of him. Sam Rowe will never drop his head and sulk, will give 100% and at the moment he is our best big defender.
Start marking the overhead marks and Sam is a lock for another 2 years.
But he's played three good games in a row and still gets called a passenger.
He's been good, end of story. Next week he might be bad but people will ignore the fact he's played three good games.
There's absolutely no doubt he feels the heat, but so would I if i'd played in our backline as they've got absolutely no help for two years from the rest of the team in either pressuring the ball carrier or getting back to help out.
The reason that people "bag him out" is the dropped marks and the lack of agility, both traits that are needed at FB/CHB. I would love to know how many uncontested overhead marks Sam has dropped this season.
That being said he was excellent yesterday against a young athletic opponent. I think he gets the team defence we are going with much more than Jammo and that's why he is played ahead of him. Sam Rowe will never drop his head and sulk, will give 100% and at the moment he is our best big defender.
Start marking the overhead marks and Sam is a lock for another 2 years.
Agree.
But he's played three good games in a row and still gets called a passenger.
He's been good, end of story. Next week he might be bad but people will ignore the fact he's played three good games.
There's absolutely no doubt he feels the heat, but so would I if i'd played in our backline as they've got absolutely no help for two years from the rest of the team in either pressuring the ball carrier or getting back to help out.
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But he's played three good games in a row and still gets called a passenger.
He's been good, end of story. Next week he might be bad but people will ignore the fact he's played three good games.
There's absolutely no doubt he feels the heat, but so would I if i'd played in our backline as they've got absolutely no help for two years from the rest of the team in either pressuring the ball carrier or getting back to help out.
If the comments on him are balanced, that's all you can ask for. The praise for his last three games has certainly been deserved.
Nah,
Keogh posts very rarely and Caz the same.
Caz cops a lot of personal abuse from posters because of hi association with the club.
I can understand that. Things were going badly, especially on the recruiting front and he was in the firing line. There were a LOT of guys who were willing to spread a little blame (and more) in his direction.
It is a pity, as they were basically shooting their best source of real information.
But he's played three good games in a row and still gets called a passenger.
He's been good, end of story. Next week he might be bad but people will ignore the fact he's played three good games.
There's absolutely no doubt he feels the heat, but so would I if i'd played in our backline as they've got absolutely no help for two years from the rest of the team in either pressuring the ball carrier or getting back to help out.
Yes quite. Rowe has had the measure of the champion forwards more times than not this year. Seems to have adapted to the changes rather smoothly. I'm a fan and will be until his younger protégé is ready :))
I think Jammo's lack of form and our new team-defense setup has enabled Rowe to step up into the role of General. He seems to be thriving, is starting to clunk marks, leave his opponent to make the 3rd man up and is also tackling aggressively.
Lets not underestimate the influence Weitering has had on the older heads, the kid is a breath of fresh air!
Finally, are we starting to see the effects of having a positive coach, one that isn't a perennial head kicker?
I think Jammo's lack of form and our new team-defense setup has enabled Rowe to step up into the role of General. He seems to be thriving, is starting to clunk marks, leave his opponent to make the 3rd man up and is also tackling aggressively.
Lets not underestimate the influence Weitering has had on the older heads, the kid is a breath of fresh air!
Finally, are we starting to see the effects of having a positive coach, one that isn't a perennial head kicker?
It seems ridiculous to say after a handful of games, but did Plowman miss Weitering's influence yesterday, which, in turn put him under the pump?? Instead of having a calm, steadying influence back there with him, he had an out of sorts Jammo who seemed all at sea.
It seems ridiculous to say after a handful of games, but did Plowman miss Weitering's influence yesterday, which, in turn put him under the pump?? Instead of having a calm, steadying influence back there with him, he had an out of sorts Jammo who seemed all at sea.
I would defintely say yes. Don't underestimate the effect a genuinely top talented kid can have on a group especially when you are replacing someone like Jamo. Weitering is just that good that it's like having a 200 gamer out there. He is going to transform this group just watch.
The reason that people "bag him out" is the dropped marks and the lack of agility, both traits that are needed at FB/CHB. I would love to know how many uncontested overhead marks Sam has dropped this season.
That being said he was excellent yesterday against a young athletic opponent. I think he gets the team defence we are going with much more than Jammo and that's why he is played ahead of him. Sam Rowe will never drop his head and sulk, will give 100% and at the moment he is our best big defender.
Start marking the overhead marks and Sam is a lock for another 2 years.
I still haven't seen the game - the Internet is very slow in Birdsville - but I thought I'd chip in with a comment about Rowe. Last week Hodge was a guest commentator and he spoke about how strong Rowe is. Hodge wouldn't say something like that unless Rowe's strength was out of the ordinary.
You're right about him holding his marks. If he had more confidence in his marking I reckon he'd spoil less and Mark more.
Btw - watched the replay last night after attending the game, is there any danger of Hamish McLachlan actually calling the correct player's names? As bad a call I've seen in that regard for a very long time.
Then a comment from the "I'm desperate to say something to justify my existence" Brad Sewell on the boundary line in the last quarter whereby he seemed to get great joy out of saying that our disposal was terrible......well, looking at the scoreboard & the overall disposal efficiency a the time would suggest otherwise you deadset flog.
He may be no star, but watching the replay also highlights some of the 1%-ers Liam Jones contributes to this team at the moment.
It's only a little thing but have you noticed how we've taken on the Hawthorn habit of cribbing half a step over the mark but pointing in an exaggerated manner to the notional spot to fool the umps. Go Bolts! Go!
Love this!! It always used to p me off to see the Hawks do it, and our guys would be "is this ok? How about I take 2 steps back, 3 maybe?". As you said "little things" but they all add up
Treloar is a jet. Ed beat him today but Treloar will get better.
I thought he was pretty good, quick and clean with it. Just only runs one way, that's all. But he ain't Robinson Crusoe there - geez those pies mids love to take off at just a hint of a teammate winning the pill.... Great to beat the front running fks
Some very negative posters on here 'still' after notching in up 3 in a row.
They say we win ugly and only beat of of form ordinary teams, yet in the last 3 years these so called ordinary sides pumped us along with everyone else - we were the side that even ordinary sides we would play back into form.....Well not this year.
Don't forget where we were at the same stage last year. And still with plenty of upside, so improve in those areas and watch out. We look unified, settled in defence, play to a plan and don't rely on a few stars to get us over the line.
As BB said we are on a journey - enjoy it.
Also is it just me or is Docherty the most unrated player. Hear very little about him in the media yet not many better in the league then this fellow in the role he plays. So relaxed when he is near the ball.
Maybe winning 4 in a row might impress those still wanting more.
Did anyone see Bolton link arms in the huddle at 3 quarter time. This little man is building something special IMO. Haven't seen that before in a H/A game.
Also Trelor was on Sunday Footy show.
Said blues players do a lot of talking and directing on the field and
said was surprised as to how determined we were all day. Didn't drop off at all.
Everything points to players 100% buying into this coaches plan.
Can't ask for more then that.
Did anyone see Bolton link arms in the huddle at 3 quarter time. This little man is building something special IMO. Haven't seen that before in a H/A game.
Also Trelor was on Sunday Footy show.
Said blues players do a lot of talking and directing on the field and
said was surprised as to how determined we were all day. Didn't drop off at all.
Everything points to players 100% buying into this coaches plan.
Can't ask for more then that.
Shawny were are on the right horse alright mate! I will stick my head right up over the parapet now and say that I'm very confident we are going to become a very formidable and feared force in AFL footy with BB, and SOS, at the club.
im not concerned with which player at the moment is good or not.
The confidence in me grows, because for once in a long while, we have a very good coach
He is astute, intelligent, measured and consistent in his message. He is devoted to his message and the playing group
believes this.
We had good players in the past that we lost over the journey, because the club was lost and directionless and the players came second
My comfort today come from the fact that we have a coach that will ensure that the next group of good players will stay and thrive as the group and its mission comes first.
Everything points to players 100% buying into this coaches plan.
It's an interesting point.
At the start of the season, in the first couple of games, it would probably be fair to say that the "Older Carlton" players (those that had been at the club for more than just a year or two) were struggling to get back to their 2015 form....and it wasn't just one or two, it was the majority.
The enthusiasm was very much being shown by the new players and it had me wondering whether some of the older players mightn't have been a bit resistant to the change....whether some could perhaps see themselves been replaced by the new group.
Over the last three weeks that seems to have turned around.
The older group are going as well, if not better than the new guys.
A bit of it has been caused by injuries and illness (Weitering,C Curnow Phillips), but the older group have stepped up now and are playing like they're 100% on-board.
The only player in any real danger on the back of yesterday's game is jamison.
Everyone played their part in what was an excellent team win given where we are at, but he is one player who seems to have lost the ability to compete.
He will try though, but he is the only one I can see who the game seems to have passed by.
He has been an excellent servant of the club, but those shoulder injuries appear to have gotten the better of him.
@ Shawny
The Doc is a very level-headed, consistent, dedicated, non-egotistical jet. Those are the blokes that go unnoticed...... But win premierships ;D ;D
Some very negative posters on here 'still' after notching in up 3 in a row.
They say we win ugly and only beat of of form ordinary teams, yet in the last 3 years these so called ordinary sides pumped us along with everyone else - we were the side that even ordinary sides we would play back into form.....Well not this year.
Don't forget where we were at the same stage last year. And still with plenty of upside, so improve in those areas and watch out. We look unified, settled in defence, play to a plan and don't rely on a few stars to get us over the line.
As BB said we are on a journey - enjoy it.
Also is it just me or is Docherty the most unrated player. Hear very little about him in the media yet not many better in the league then this fellow in the role he plays. So relaxed when he is near the ball.
Maybe winning 4 in a row might impress those still wanting more.
JUst because some people, like me, point out that we are winning ugly and are playing out of form sides which is why we are winning, doesn't mean we are not enjoying the wins.
Its keeping a lid on it. If we lose the next 10 games i won't throw in the towel and call for the coaches head. I know we are in a rebuilding stage and 3 wins in a row, or not, we are a long way off where we want to be. As long as our kids keep performing, and some of our senior blokes stop going backwards then i couldn't give a stuff how many wins we get.
JUst because some people, like me, point out that we are winning ugly and are playing out of form sides which is why we are winning, doesn't mean we are not enjoying the wins.
Its keeping a lid on it. If we lose the next 10 games i won't throw in the towel and call for the coaches head. I know we are in a rebuilding stage and 3 wins in a row, or not, we are a long way off where we want to be. As long as our kids keep performing, and some of our senior blokes stop going backwards then i couldn't give a stuff how many wins we get.
I think it also highlights some peoples expectation or goals.
I want us to assemble the list so we win flags not just make finals.
If that means we trade murphy Gibbs Kruezer and cripps then so be it.
Btw I wouldn't suggest trading cripps
JUst because some people, like me, point out that we are winning ugly and are playing out of form sides which is why we are winning, doesn't mean we are not enjoying the wins.
Its keeping a lid on it. If we lose the next 10 games i won't throw in the towel and call for the coaches head. I know we are in a rebuilding stage and 3 wins in a row, or not, we are a long way off where we want to be. As long as our kids keep performing, and some of our senior blokes stop going backwards then i couldn't give a stuff how many wins we get.
Generally agree, but those wins are pretty sweeeet................
I want more.
Docherty - went to a whole new level today. Looked like Bruce Doull back there - clean hands, kept running away from half back. Such a calming influence on the others.
Jeza, as I was watching the final stages of that last quarter, i was thinking back to some of the great half backers of past great Carlton eras to compare Docherty to. I went back to mid 90s...Mackay, hmm......sort of , but not quite, seems silkier than Macca...similar to Secca ? in his composure, yes, but his delivery is better.
So, what about back another 15 years to the late 70s/early 80s ? McConville ? nope........., Hunter (when he was at half back)...yeah, closer to the mark, Geoff Southby......well....now I think we're getting pretty close to the mark...he was composure personified, a brilliant reader of the play, great runner & pinpoint kick up the field.....
But, then I saw how much time Doch seems to have at times, almost as if he's pressed a slo-mo button on the rest of the game....and there was only one other bloke I've seen who could look like that.....Doull. The thought entered my head almost against my will, I mean surely that's a ridiculous (almost sacreligious) comparison. He's got along way to go of course, but in those few moments of the game, that's the player who Docherty most reminds me of among those greats of the past.....
And it's been a long time since I've been as confident about someone in our back half !!!
cheers
Mal.
@ Shawny
The Doc is a very level-headed, consistent, dedicated, non-egotistical jet. Those are the blokes that go unnoticed...... But win premierships ;D ;D
He's a less show ponyish, more accountable version of Grant Birchall.
We have a Top 8 back half ;)
We have a Top 8 back half ;)
We have a sub-VFL standard forward half. :(
Our mids are somewhere in the middle as a group, with Cripps amongst the games elite.
We have a sub-VFL standard forward half. :(
Our mids are somewhere in the middle as a group, with Cripps amongst the games elite.
That's true....only Essendon have scored less ''points for" than us.
But one area at a time ;)
Very happy with the wins, great to see the players happy and rewarded for persistent effort.
Nothing like actually winning to help confidence in the game plan - and each other - feed on itself.
This is complete contrast to the drawn out horror that was the Mick mistake.
Very happy - much better to watch - looks like more fun to play.
We may struggle later in the season as the younger players tire, and we are still very light on for depth, so it would not take many injuries for our competitiveness to drop off, but still - very very happy.
Didn't think AE was as bad as some are sayin - have watched the replay twice and one thing I noticed was he was bent over at one stage obviously out of breath - I think he's possibly unfit?
I wonder as well if people get more fired up depending on what the commentators spend time Ripping apart the two or three fumbles made- and yesterday it was AE. Interestingly Gibbs got caught completely unaware with the ball and there was no ripping commentary about that - and that was a big stuff up. I think AE will play next week and agree with others that he does need to do more chasing wise but think he was just not match fit yestersay
Also is it just me or is Docherty the most unrated player. Hear very little about him in the media yet not many better in the league then this fellow in the role he plays. So relaxed when he is near the ball.
Just wait till he goes to another team then he will be called a gun...ala Betts.! ::)
But, then I saw how much time Doch seems to have at times, almost as if he's pressed a slo-mo button on the rest of the game....and there was only one other bloke I've seen who could look like that.....Doull. The thought entered my head almost against my will, I mean surely that's a ridiculous (almost sacreligious) comparison. He's got along way to go of course, but in those few moments of the game, that's the player who Docherty most reminds me of among those greats of the past.....
Wow big call Malo, he certainly has talent though. ;D
I haven't had a chance to see the second half yet. Happy with a win no matter how it happens. Just want to see an effort from all the players. Better than the footy we have been playing for the last couple of years.
We have a Top 8 back half ;)
I have posted before, if we can come away with a solid back half after year 1 of a rebuild we're doing very well.
Docherty, Weitering, Plowman and Byrne. That's a 10 year backline, we need to add a lockdown small defender and another big and we have a group that will grow together.
With the forward line, they are mostly speculative - Curnow, McKay and Silvagni could be anything or nothing, add in Boekhurst as a HFF/Wing and we have building blocks. Again need another big and two small forwards, and this draft seems to be full of small forwards with pace who can pinch hit in the midfield.
Mids is where we need the most help, quality ball users with speed and grunt x 4, cause they're soooo easy to get ::)
I have posted before, if we can come away with a solid back half after year 1 of a rebuild we're doing very well.
Docherty, Weitering, Plowman and Byrne. That's a 10 year backline, we need to add a lockdown small defender and another big and we have a group that will grow together.
With the forward line, they are mostly speculative - Curnow, McKay and Silvagni could be anything or nothing, add in Boekhurst as a HFF/Wing and we have building blocks. Again need another big and two small forwards, and this draft seems to be full of small forwards with pace who can pinch hit in the midfield.
Mids is where we need the most help, quality ball users with speed and grunt x 4, cause they're soooo easy to get ::)
I think its easier to lure across a key forward when you label him as 'the missing piece of the puzzle' via free agency than it is to get a key backman.
Backs you want to learn and grow together and to know what each of them are going to do in any given situation. Plug and play backs are very hard to make work.
Key forwards just need to do the basics well. As the music men put it....
"Lead, mark, kick a goal, kick a goal, kick a goal.
Lead mark kick a goal, kick another goal"
Also, mids can be gotten relatively cheap by comparison. Kerridge cost us 1/5th of Menzel. Slots straight in. A couple more like him and you are halfway there. Use the odd pick on the best mid available and rebuild complete. Any pockets/flankers you pick up via free agency if needed, or later round selections.
Jeza, as I was watching the final stages of that last quarter, i was thinking back to some of the great half backers of past great Carlton eras to compare Docherty to. I went back to mid 90s...Mackay, hmm......sort of , but not quite, seems silkier than Macca...similar to Secca ? in his composure, yes, but his delivery is better.
So, what about back another 15 years to the late 70s/early 80s ? McConville ? nope........., Hunter (when he was at half back)...yeah, closer to the mark, Geoff Southby......well....now I think we're getting pretty close to the mark...he was composure personified, a brilliant reader of the play, great runner & pinpoint kick up the field.....
But, then I saw how much time Doch seems to have at times, almost as if he's pressed a slo-mo button on the rest of the game....and there was only one other bloke I've seen who could look like that.....Doull. The thought entered my head almost against my will, I mean surely that's a ridiculous (almost sacreligious) comparison. He's got along way to go of course, but in those few moments of the game, that's the player who Docherty most reminds me of among those greats of the past.....
And it's been a long time since I've been as confident about someone in our back half !!!
cheers
Mal.
Cant argue with the logic malo. ;)
Not sure what the stat is called but we seem to give away very few goals from turnover due to errors coming out from our back 50.
Can someone get that stat for me as I'm keen to see where we sit in comparison to the rest of he comp.
We are very clean in moving the ball out of our back 50
and even under pressure we clear it. Wasn't long ago that we would cough up several goals a game from terrible turnovers from out of defence. Everyone we were in a game late you could count on one of our defenders to make a poor decision or skill error and hand the opposition a goal for them to take the game.
Not anymore.
Docherty now known as Doullherty? :o ;)
It's amazing how much better players appear to be when they can play with some freedom.
It looks like they know what they are supposed to be doing, bizarre, just bizarre! :o
It's amazing how much better players appear to be when they can play with some freedom.
It looks like they know what they are supposed to be doing, bizarre, just bizarre! :o
Also amazing how much better they play when all the team has a crack for 99% of the game.
If you have 2 or 3 guys that are lazy and won't chase it becomes infectious
Also amazing how much better they play when all the team has a crack for 99% of the game.
If you have 2 or 3 guys that are lazy and won't chase it becomes infectious
Especially if those guys are continually allowed to get away with it!
Jeza, as I was watching the final stages of that last quarter, i was thinking back to some of the great half backers of past great Carlton eras to compare Docherty to. I went back to mid 90s...Mackay, hmm......sort of , but not quite, seems silkier than Macca...similar to Secca ? in his composure, yes, but his delivery is better.
So, what about back another 15 years to the late 70s/early 80s ? McConville ? nope........., Hunter (when he was at half back)...yeah, closer to the mark, Geoff Southby......well....now I think we're getting pretty close to the mark...he was composure personified, a brilliant reader of the play, great runner & pinpoint kick up the field.....
But, then I saw how much time Doch seems to have at times, almost as if he's pressed a slo-mo button on the rest of the game....and there was only one other bloke I've seen who could look like that.....Doull. The thought entered my head almost against my will, I mean surely that's a ridiculous (almost sacreligious) comparison. He's got along way to go of course, but in those few moments of the game, that's the player who Docherty most reminds me of among those greats of the past.....
And it's been a long time since I've been as confident about someone in our back half !!!
cheers
Mal.
Mal, reading this post gave me goose bumps. Doull is such a legend of the game. Maybe Doc is the love child he never talked about. Then again Doull never talked that much, just let his football do the talking for him.
Docherty now known as Doullherty? :o ;)
Doullherty and ROWEVAGNI!!!
The Filth and their supporters are really shattered after this loss.
They honestly thought we d be a pushover like Essendon were on Anzac Day.
They did not see this loss coming.
That's why Nafan and McChins are copping grenades from the ferals now lol
@ Malo
The guy I always think of when I see Doc is Peter Dean - even looks like him from a distance I think.
@ Malo
The guy I always think of when I see Doc is Peter Dean - even looks like him from a distance I think.
Yep, another bewty. I'm loving that back 6 development in general.
i think Saturday showed exactly the gulf between Weitering and Jamison - the latter a shadow of the player he was 54 years ago.
i think Saturday showed exactly the gulf between Weitering and Jamison - the latter a shadow of the player he was 54 years ago.
Yep, the game starts catching up with you as you are getting into your late 70s. :o
Great to see Kreuzer run round all day. I know people will correct me if I'm wrong, but Madden needed to ruck all day and struggled a bit if Matty Allan had too much time running around. Madden retired, Allan comes good and struggles when Porter? had too much ruck. There are other examples around other clubs as well, I'm sure - some of the big fellows just need to go and go and go to work and they love it. Sauce was another - he was coming good when he had his chance and then saw a better opporutnity elsewhere.
I hope to see less of the two ruckman and more Kreuze.
Great to see Kreuzer run round all day. I know people will correct me if I'm wrong, but Madden needed to ruck all day and struggled a bit if Matty Allan had too much time running around. Madden retired, Allan comes good and struggles when Porter? had too much ruck. There are other examples around other clubs as well, I'm sure - some of the big fellows just need to go and go and go to work and they love it. Sauce was another - he was coming good when he had his chance and then saw a better opporutnity elsewhere.
I hope to see less of the two ruckman and more Kreuze.
Think you will be disappointed .
I also disagree that Krooz was better on his own. Took 1 mark on Sat.
Great to see Kreuzer run round all day. I know people will correct me if I'm wrong, but Madden needed to ruck all day and struggled a bit if Matty Allan had too much time running around. Madden retired, Allan comes good and struggles when Porter? had too much ruck. There are other examples around other clubs as well, I'm sure - some of the big fellows just need to go and go and go to work and they love it. Sauce was another - he was coming good when he had his chance and then saw a better opporutnity elsewhere.
I hope to see less of the two ruckman and more Kreuze.
Grundy jumped all over him after half time and I think he needs Philips in the team to get a proper rest..I was of the opinion we could get away with Kruezer and the Boult only but Kruezer
isnt what he was and cant ruck all day IMO...
Apparently couldn't see out of one eye against Essendon after taking a finger there so that may have still been dogging him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-09/pies-president-eddie-mcguire-considered-quitting-after-loss-to-blues
And Daisy can accept a $1000 fine for his tummy tap on Fasolo.
Also is it just me or is Docherty the most unrated player. Hear very little about him in the media yet not many better in the league then this fellow in the role he plays. So relaxed when he is near the ball.
He was interviewed on 774 yesterday and did indeed come across as a genuine, level headed, humble sort of guy. Sounds a LOT like Nige from North Fitzroy but let's not hold that against him ;D
Another thing to come from the game on Saturday - how happy are we that Aish decided to go the Pies, after it was rumoured we were heavily into him this time last year. Absolute outside spud of the highest order......
Another thing to come from the game on Saturday - how happy are we that Aish decided to go the Pies, after it was rumoured we were heavily into him this time last year. Absolute outside spud of the highest order......
x2....I said he was soft and overhyped last trade period and he didnt let me down on Saturday....
x2....I said he was soft and overhyped last trade period and he didnt let me down on Saturday....
Even the Pie supporters near us were calling him a dud.
Another thing to come from the game on Saturday - how happy are we that Aish decided to go the Pies, after it was rumoured we were heavily into him this time last year. Absolute outside spud of the highest order......
I mentioned similar in the In-Game thread.
I have posted before, if we can come away with a solid back half after year 1 of a rebuild we're doing very well.
Docherty, Weitering, Plowman and Byrne. That's a 10 year backline, we need to add a lockdown small defender and another big and we have a group that will grow together.
With the forward line, they are mostly speculative - Curnow, McKay and Silvagni could be anything or nothing, add in Boekhurst as a HFF/Wing and we have building blocks. Again need another big and two small forwards, and this draft seems to be full of small forwards with pace who can pinch hit in the midfield.
Mids is where we need the most help, quality ball users with speed and grunt x 4, cause they're soooo easy to get ::)
Hogg Silvagni Mckay
Sexton Dean Christou
XXX XXXX Byrne
Docherty Weitering Plowman
That '95 back 6 played together for seemingly forever, never got hurt and were the major strength of that team. if we could just add a couple more (or manufacture one, in the case of a good BP), then the back 6 is starting to look verry similar........... great signs!!!
Good win today. Would love to hear from some of the Gibbs-haters, he was just outstanding today
I gave Gibbs a pretty big serve after the Suns game, and I still reckon he deserved it. Kudos to him for turning his form around, his last 3 weeks have been pretty good. Here's hoping we see more of the good Gibbs and less of the bad Gibbs in the future....
Hogg Silvagni Mckay
Sexton Dean Christou
XXX XXXX Byrne
Docherty Weitering Plowman
That '95 back 6 played together for seemingly forever, never got hurt and were the major strength of that team. if we could just add a couple more (or manufacture one, in the case of a good BP), then the back 6 is starting to look verry similar........... great signs!!!
Whitehead played every game in the back pocket.
Also is it just me or is Docherty the most unrated player. Hear very little about him in the media yet not many better in the league then this fellow in the role he plays. So relaxed when he is near the ball.
Docherty is a gun, under rated even by many Carlton supporters, he'll go very close to the B&F.
And to think we got him for Hampson!!!
Another thing to come from the game on Saturday - how happy are we that Aish decided to go the Pies, after it was rumoured we were heavily into him this time last year. Absolute outside spud of the highest order......
He looks a totally different player to the one I remember playing the SANFL as a kid. In a strongly defensive Norwood side, you just couldn't play like that and get anywhere. How Aish has mutated into this, I do not know. But I find it very disappointing. I am VERY glad he chose to go elsewhere.
I gave Gibbs a pretty big serve after the Suns game, and I still reckon he deserved it. Kudos to him for turning his form around, his last 3 weeks have been pretty good. Here's hoping we see more of the good Gibbs and less of the bad Gibbs in the future....
Exactly. He's been rubbish and been soft. Against the Pies he was neither of these and we loved it.
The bottom line is, Gibbs is inconsistent and picks and chooses too much when he wants to have a crack.
Hoping Bolton and co do wonders for him this year.
Gibbs did win the B&F in 2014 and only played 10 games last year... what we have seen in the majority of games so far this year is a return to his 2014 form.
If Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs play the majority of games together, Gibbs will probably benefit the most.
Exactly. He's been rubbish and been soft. Against the Pies he was neither of these and we loved it.
The bottom line is, Gibbs is inconsistent and picks and chooses too much when he wants to have a crack.
Hoping Bolton and co do wonders for him this year.
or else move him on. perhaps the smell of victory will keep motivating the bloke?
Needs to show something versus Port given the history there!!
gibbsy i still would trade him if we can get a good deal, i have seen to much of his softness over the many years of hoping and been supportive but as they say sell if yhe price is good.
Another thing to come from the game on Saturday - how happy are we that Aish decided to go the Pies, after it was rumoured we were heavily into him this time last year. Absolute outside spud of the highest order......
They gave up next years Second Rounder for him?? which could be at least 20-22 the way they are going.
Im not sure they will have a pick next year after gifting GWS probably a top 5-6 pick for Treloar who I am not all that impressed with. Accumulates but doesnt damage. GWS did well to keep Shiel, see Scully really come on and now have ANOTHER top 5 Pick.
I hope we are in there ear about upgrading our Second and third rounders for it, give them points for academy players again.
They gave up next years Second Rounder for him?? which could be at least 20-22 the way they are going.
Im not sure they will have a pick next year after gifting GWS probably a top 5-6 pick for Treloar who I am not all that impressed with. Accumulates but doesnt damage. GWS did well to keep Shiel, see Scully really come on and now have ANOTHER top 5 Pick.
I hope we are in there ear about upgrading our Second and third rounders for it, give them points for academy players again.
I don't know that he's worth what they gave up for him, but from what I have seen, Treloar is a very good player. Don't forget, the entire Pies team is struggling. and this is also his first year at a new club, new state, new home etc. Might be a little out of sorts because of this as well.
regarding treloar he is getting between 29 to 33 possies a game at his new club,and they are not winning so how much possies does he need to get for the fererals to win.
Treloar is a jet.
He will play 150 games of top shelf football from here minimum.
Absolutely worth it to spend a first rounder on him, even if it is a top pick.
There is a bit of water to flow under the bridge this season and Collingwood could finish as high as 10th or even 9th.
Top 8 draftees can get you a good player, but there are less safe bets than picking up a gun like Treloar.
They have their fair share of injuries and are struggling for form too, but they wont continue like this all year.
Absolutely worth it to spend a first rounder on him, even if it is a top pick.
Didn't they give up two first rounders?
Not saying he isnt a good player, but he is not a matchwinner, seems to want the easy ball and have no problem him getting it 30 times.
Jury is still out IMO
Not saying he isnt a good player, but he is not a matchwinner, seems to want the easy ball and have no problem him getting it 30 times.
Jury is still out IMO
Another Bryce?
Didn't they give up two first rounders?
I have no idea, but considering two first rounders can net you Scott Gumbleton, Jack Watts, Kane Lucas and a variety of other players who dont perform or perform inconsistently it actually doesnt matter because they got a good player for it.
People sit there and worry too much about what was lost, rather than be thankful for what they gained.
Not saying he isnt a good player, but he is not a matchwinner, seems to want the easy ball and have no problem him getting it 30 times.
Jury is still out IMO
Like most, he'll struggle if he's not in a good midfield, but as long as the rest of the midfield is about B+ he'll be extremely good.
Pies are about C+ at the moment.
To go with that, im glad they got him. Can you imagine Richmond had got him? They might actually have come good this year.