https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-29/colin-sylvia-former-afl-player-killed-in-car-crash/10440308
Colin Sylvia dies in a car accident.
I wonder how you could have a fatal accident at that intersection.
Anyway, happen it did and another young life is taken far too early.
RIP
RIP. Didn't like the player, but that doesn't mean we can't all fee empathy for his family at this difficult time.
I wonder how you could have a fatal accident at that intersection.
Happens on country road intersections all the time.
I think part of the problem is the boredom that comes with driving long distances often makes people less attentive.
Self driving cars in country regions would almost eliminate this type of accident, if only they had a useful range, but for some reason the car industry has tied self-driving to being almost exclusively electric.
Happens on country road intersections all the time.
I think part of the problem is the boredom that comes with driving long distances often makes people less attentive.
Self driving cars in country regions would almost eliminate this type of accident, if only they had a useful range, but for some reason the car industry has tied self-driving to being almost exclusively electric.
The crash happened at the intersection of Benetook Avenue and Nineteenth Street in Irymple LP. I'm sure that it is a 60kph zone.
The crash happened at the intersection of Benetook Avenue and Nineteenth Street in Irymple LP. I'm sure that it is a 60kph zone.
No one does 60kms there.
Vines on all corners.
Alcohol involved apparently
Hopefully the other person is okay.
x2. I hope the other party is ok. High speed collision is what was reported on the news, and that doesn't sound good.
The crash happened at the intersection of Benetook Avenue and Nineteenth Street in Irymple LP. I'm sure that it is a 60kph zone.
I doubt it is 60kph and if it was I doubt anybody local does 60kph there, I'd have thought 80kph is probably the expected limit there but I doubt it is even sign posted. Intersection of two dead straight roads more than a couple of km out of town.
Sadly, it is almost stereo typical of what happens in the bush, the other big question is whether it was an accident although there was no tree involved.
RIP Colin Sylvia.
Very sad for his family and mates.
Far too young to die.
I remember when we lost Maurie Sankey all those years ago.
It,s always a sad time.
I feel bad for his family, but this media narrative of him being a 'lovable larrakin with a heart of gold' is sickening. He had a long history of domestic violence charges, stalking and harassing women as well as recent theft and fraud charges. By all accounts he was starting to turn himself around, but I can't stand people who re-write history as soon as someone dies.
Amen to that
I feel bad for his family, but this media narrative of him being a 'lovable larrakin with a heart of gold' is sickening. He had a long history of domestic violence charges, stalking and harassing women as well as recent theft and fraud charges. By all accounts he was starting to turn himself around, but I can't stand people who re-write history as soon as someone dies.
Yep, cue that Chaser song again "Even pr**ks are top blokes when they're dead".
I feel bad for his family, but this media narrative of him being a 'lovable larrakin with a heart of gold' is sickening. He had a long history of domestic violence charges, stalking and harassing women as well as recent theft and fraud charges. By all accounts he was starting to turn himself around, but I can't stand people who re-write history as soon as someone dies.
I don't know anything about his private life at all, but it's still too young to die.
And I don't like people that jump to conclusions when they don't know the facts!!
I feel bad for his family, but this media narrative of him being a 'lovable larrakin with a heart of gold' is sickening. He had a long history of domestic violence charges, stalking and harassing women as well as recent theft and fraud charges. By all accounts he was starting to turn himself around, but I can't stand people who re-write history as soon as someone dies.
Well said. Be respectful to the the family and friends, yes, and express genuine sorrow, but let's not minimise his crimes ...out of respect to his victims.
I feel bad for his family, but this media narrative of him being a 'lovable larrakin with a heart of gold' is sickening. He had a long history of domestic violence charges, stalking and harassing women as well as recent theft and fraud charges. By all accounts he was starting to turn himself around, but I can't stand people who re-write history as soon as someone dies.
X2
Most of us are aware of the issues Silvia had, his DV issues in 2006 and his previous DD traffic offenses in 2011.
Not sure if he has any kids and the other issues should probably be left out of this thread, anyone is free to start another thread on the more general issue of how the media paint the fallen. Does anybody take notice when it is a bloke like Garry Lyon telling you how good someone is?
I gather some of you will see the contradiction in the way Silvia is portrayed compared to how the media treated Fevola back in his indiscretion era. Again there is a Lyon link, is it just coincidence?
On the accident itself, a two car collision, with allegations both occupants know each other and had been traveling together in separate cars.
Most of us are aware of the issues Silvia had, his DV issues in 2006 and his previous DD traffic offenses in 2011.
Not sure if he has any kids and the other issues should probably be left out of this thread, anyone is free to start another thread on the more general issue of how the media paint the fallen. Does anybody take notice when it is a bloke like Garry Lyon telling you how good someone is?
I gather some of you will see the contradiction in the way Silvia is portrayed compared to how the media treated Fevola back in his indiscretion era. Again there is a Lyon link, is it just coincidence?
On the accident itself, a two car collision, with allegations both occupants know each other and had been traveling together in separate cars.
I don't think it warrants another thread. The topic is Colin Sylvia's passing and my comments related to the way his death (and life) have been documented by the media. You don't have to agree, but I think this false canonisation of people after they die is hypocritical and it is highlighted in this instance.
Even in your own comments, you touch on some of his issues, but fail to mention his convictions early this year for stalking and harassment. It's that picking and choosing that I think doesn't do any of society a great service. It minimises the damage that a persons action caused. For others out there who have been victims of such violence, to see a bloke heralded as a good person despite his flaws is disrespectful. By all means focus on the tragedy for its facts; a family is mourning the loss of a loved one and a young man has lost his chance to gain redemption. That is the tragedy. Turning him into a Saint just because he died does no one any favours.
I don't think it warrants another thread. The topic is Colin Sylvia's passing and my comments related to the way his death (and life) have been documented by the media. You don't have to agree, but I think this false canonisation of people after they die is hypocritical and it is highlighted in this instance.
I think it's fair to weigh those comments by the people making them, and I think it's wrong to label all commentary as some how absolving Silvia for his sins.
But even so, many may argue death is hardly proportional justice, or even justice at all!
You have to weigh those comments by the people making them, I think it's wrong to label all commentary as some how absolving Silvia for his sins.
But even so, many may argue death is hardly proportional justice, or even justice at all!
Sorry, I was editing my post when you've responded. I certainly don't believe he got what was coming to him or anything like that. My only gripe is with the commentary around the type of person he was.
Sorry, I was editing my post when you've responded. I certainly don't believe he got what was coming to him or anything like that. My only gripe is with the commentary around the type of person he was.
Don't apologise, happens to me all the time, amazing what can change when you add the missing "not" to a "do" or "will" ;D
I frequently phone or tablet type and post as a form of saving the edit, especially on the long posts! It has led me into some significant barnies because my post was read and responded to before it was finished! ;D
I do not mention his previous issues deliberately, not out of respect for him but in consideration of his surviving family, who most likely do not deserve to have that torment now!
Don't apologise, happens to me all the time, amazing what can change when you add the missing "not" to a "do" or "will" ;D
I frequently phone or tablet type and post as a form of saving the edit, especially on the long posts! It has led me into some significant barnies because my post was read and responded to before it was finished! ;D
I do not mention his previous issues deliberately, not out of respect for him but in consideration of his surviving family, who most likely do not deserve to have that torment now!
I think we're kind of arguing the same point. I agree the main focus should be on his family, the media just need to stick to what's what, and not add to the narrative with untruths.
I think the media should simply stick to the facts surrounding his footy career, good and bad things he did, and his death. Leave the patriarchal, old-boys-club romanticizing for private functions, correspondence etc.
I don't think it warrants another thread. The topic is Colin Sylvia's passing and my comments related to the way his death (and life) have been documented by the media. You don't have to agree, but I think this false canonisation of people after they die is hypocritical and it is highlighted in this instance.
Even in your own comments, you touch on some of his issues, but fail to mention his convictions early this year for stalking and harassment. It's that picking and choosing that I think doesn't do any of society a great service. It minimises the damage that a persons action caused. For others out there who have been victims of such violence, to see a bloke heralded as a good person despite his flaws is disrespectful. By all means focus on the tragedy for its facts; a family is mourning the loss of a loved one and a young man has lost his chance to gain redemption. That is the tragedy. Turning him into a Saint just because he died does no one any favours.
I don't normally get involved in these type of posts; however, YOU DON'T KNOW, the situation regarding the stalking OR domestic violence charges, now you talk about not wanting to 'canonise' people after their deceased. I have no real knowledge of his personal situation, but I have seen first hand how the law is now applied to the most menial situations with very serious charges now applied. An argument, or 'lovers tiff', can very quickly be turned to a story to which you have no defense. I saw this happen to somebody I know.
Colin Sylvia may have been guilty of a lot more - I don't know, but doubt you know either. Fine don't 'canonise', but don't 'demonise' either.
I don't normally get involved in these type of posts; however, YOU DON'T KNOW, the situation regarding the stalking OR domestic violence charges, now you talk about not wanting to 'canonise' people after their deceased. I have no real knowledge of his personal situation, but I have seen first hand how the law is now applied to the most menial situations with very serious charges now applied. An argument, or 'lovers tiff', can very quickly be turned to a story to which you have no defense. I saw this happen to somebody I know.
Colin Sylvia may have been guilty of a lot more - I don't know, but doubt you know either. Fine don't 'canonise', but don't 'demonise' either.
Well I'm assuming the judges that CONVICTED him did know the facts. They weren't baseless accusations, they held up in a court of law.
Well I'm assuming the judges that CONVICTED him did know the facts. They weren't baseless accusations, they held up in a court of law.
I think that is a slippery slope NM, and outside the facts it's not worth discussing, there are too many cases that are actually decided on hearsay, reported as a definitive ruling then over-turned in mostly media silence.
I know directly of one specific case with a young AFL player, not a 2nd hand rumor but 1st hand, of a player accused of all sorts of indiscretions by a jilted lover in a widely published media barrage. You may have even read the stories yourself. Accused of things that he could not have been guilty of because at the time that he was supposed to be acting in this manner he had sneaked interstate out of the media spotlight, and was sitting having lunch with family, friends and myself more than 700km away from the accuser. He didn't fight the allegations publicly for a number of reasons, primarily he wanted them to disappear quickly for his mother's sake, secondly his lover had been diagnosed with mental health disorder, he actually had pity and still cared for her to a degree but could no longer live under the same roof. Yet for him he lives out the remainder of his AFL career under those very public allegations, allegations categorised in some circles as indiscretion, domestic abuse or sexual assault!
Not a whisper or remorse or apology from the media accusers, not a single retraction that I have ever found!
Freedom does not and should not come at any price!
I think that is a slippery slope NM, and outside the facts it's not worth discussing, there are too many cases that are actually decided on hearsay, reported as a definitive ruling then over-turned in mostly media silence.
I know directly of one specific case with a young AFL player, not a 2nd hand rumor but 1st hand, of a player accused of all sorts of indiscretions by a jilted lover in a widely published media barrage. You may have even read the stories yourself. Accused of things that he could not have been guilty of because at the time that he was supposed to be acting in this manner he had sneaked interstate out of the media spotlight, and was sitting having lunch with family, friends and myself more than 700km away from the accuser. He didn't fight the allegations publicly for a number of reasons, primarily he wanted them to disappear quickly for his mother's sake, secondly his lover had been diagnosed with mental health disorder, he actually had pity and still cared for her to a degree but could no longer live under the same roof. Yet for him he lives out the remainder of his AFL career under those very public allegations, allegations categorised in some circles as indiscretion, domestic abuse or sexual assault!
Not a whisper or remorse or apology from the media accusers, not a single retraction that I have ever found!
Freedom does not and should not come at any price!
And as a result he wasn't convicted of a crime, correct? So a bit different that what I'm talking about.
And as a result he wasn't convicted of a crime, correct? So a bit different that what I'm talking about.
Yet if he had made an issue of it, and had lost the case, could that have been one possible risk?
Well I'm assuming the judges that CONVICTED him did know the facts. They weren't baseless accusations, they held up in a court of law.
Old white men are a downtrodden minority NM... ????