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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
One has to legitimately wonder if there exists a Guinness World Records entry for lost players. The number of Carlton coaches that seem to "lose the players" is staggering, not only for the frequency with which it it occurs, but the brief time period between occurrences. Every few years, we hear about losing the players. Pagan, Malthouse, Teague, Bolton, now Voss. They don't seem to get lost at other clubs.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Quote from: pinot – on
List isnt the problem - it's drilling a squad.

Chris Scott has drilled Geelong - no matter who is in or out they are drilled as a squad.
Chris Fagan has drilled Brisbane
Craig McRae has drilled Collingwood
Sam Mitchell has drilled Hawthorn
Adam Kingsley has drilled GWS
Hardwick has drilled GCS,

What do these coaches have in common?

They were not re employed after getting sacked.

Lyon, Brad Scott, Clarkson is banana territory

Longmuir is just an awful coach like Buckley.

This isn't IMO a good argument. By this logic, the only viable candidates for senior coach are first timers or coaches that left previous clubs of their own accord.

Dogmatic beliefs rely on skewed perspectives and cherry picking data. Our greatest ever coach was sacked 4 times, including being reappointed at Carlton for a second stint, by a fair number of the same board, President, Vice President etc that sacked him in the first place.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Quote from: Lods – on
Totally agree.
Part of the issue is that some of the players you mention (Weitering, Cripps) are forced to carry an extra load because of missing parts of the structure.
It also means they lack the support that would normally allow them to play their natural games.

McKay, Curnow and especially Walsh are injury carrying/ susceptible.
They're a different kettle of fish.
I'd add Jack to that list because he's become an important part of the defensive structure this year and a support for Weitering.
To me their effectiveness and returning to something approaching their best (and that includes their durability and consistency of performance) is very much a wait and see.

That all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Lods. I appreciate that. I would suggest that when a team is struggling, you won't find players in good form, whether that's AA form or something else. There is clearly a list wide malaise that is affecting all our players, whether they have been A grade or not. Injuries are as you say clearly another contributing factor. IMO, I would not think what we see at the moment is the ceiling for any of our players going forward, whether they are stars or not.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Whether or not these players can reach their previous lofty heights is IMO a secondary consideration. The real issue IMO is whether they can get back to playing consistent good quality football. I'd suggest plenty of good footballers are never even AA in the first place. The fall can be marginal, and can be recoverable. Hopefully the journey is not one way.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Quote from: pinot – on
Thats not the point - the point is why are they not playing to their best and who is in a position to ensure they are managed to be at their best.

I imagine the management of them being at their best is a collaborative, coordinated effort including players, line coaches, fitness and high performance staff, senior coaches, dieticians etc. The players are not circus animals, and the senior coach is not a ringmaster.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
The reason we are the new St Kilda is that we have continued with the same methods that used to work, but no longer do. We have been impatient, short sighted and reactive. We have let corporate methods and individuals take charge for too long. What once may have been a successful blueprint simply does not work today. Today, the patient, stable clubs are the successful clubs. The edgy, brittle, reactive clubs are anchored at the bottom.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
My concern isn't really with the result. We are struggling, have made several changes etc and Collingwood are flying. My concern is the reaction to the result, that the anger, fulmination and irrationality is going to make the club jittery. That's the worrying part for those of us who are keen to see us break this cycle.