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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #90
Some of us are a little (greatly) concerned after the practice games.
Others are a "wait until the proper stuff starts" type of supporter.
I've always been in the latter camp.
There's nothing wrong with either train of thought...it's just different.

I remember when we used to win, or go very well, in the pre-seasons only to fall in a heap once the season proper started.
It's chalk and cheese.
Have  a look at the results in some of the other practice games and tell me that's a true indication of the relative strengths of some sides.

We won't know which way it goes until the first shots are fired in 'anger'....and for me that's the main difference between practice games and regular season games.
There's no anger., no intensity and very little pressure in these games.
It will increase dramatically when 4 points are on the line.
Some clubs will thrive under those conditions, others will falter.
That's when we'll be able to see where we really stand.
Agree Lods, we have no choice but to wait for the real stull as on exposed form we have nothing to be excited about. I'll be at round one but am much less optimistic after our recent showings....hope to Christ we put on a good show.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #91
I think we saw clearly that Kreuzer is either underdone or suffering post procedure issues....

The guy simply doesn't take marks around the ground any more....

Work out of the middle defensively was atrocious - so atrocious that I would consider it was by design.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #92
Some of us are a little (greatly) concerned after the practice games.
Others are a "wait until the proper stuff starts" type of supporter.
I've always been in the latter camp.
There's nothing wrong with either train of thought...it's just different.

I remember when we used to win, or go very well, in the pre-seasons only to fall in a heap once the season proper started.
It's chalk and cheese.
Have  a look at the results in some of the other practice games and tell me that's a true indication of the relative strengths of some sides.

We won't know which way it goes until the first shots are fired in 'anger'....and for me that's the main difference between practice games and regular season games.
There's no anger., no intensity and very little pressure in these games.
It will increase dramatically when 4 points are on the line.
Some clubs will thrive under those conditions, others will falter.
That's when we'll be able to see where we really stand.

Our success or otherwise this season will come down to whether players like McKay, McGovern, Williamson, Cunningham, Dow, SPS, Fischer, Setterfield, Stocker, DeKoning etc can materially step up from last year and provide some x factor that adds to the return of Docherty and the addition of Martin. If that group can't step up to the level, we'll be once again left to rely on hard workers like Plowman, Gibbons, Simpson, E Curnow, Newnes, Casboult et al and in that case, we should all expect to be bottom four again.

We need breakout years from so many, so this year is a real roll of the dice. Fingers crossed it all comes together

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #93
I think we saw clearly that Kreuzer is either underdone or suffering post procedure issues....

The guy simply doesn't take marks around the ground any more....

Work out of the middle defensively was atrocious - so atrocious that I would consider it was by design.
 
 
 I've been a bit worried about Kreuzer for a couple years now.

TBH, he simply isn't good enough. Injuries have ruined him.
His best is still quite good, but he is never allowed to perform at his best.

In an ideal world, TDK would replace him by seasons end.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #94
Piss poor that Teague doesn't front the media but instead send out his lieutenants....

Nothing short of pathetic IMO.  He MUST get on the front foot from the get go.  He will incur my wrath really quickly if he doesn't.  That's his freakin' job, practice match or not !!!

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #95
They're injured...that's a soft  excuse from Amos.   Don't play or come off.   They were rubbish and need a drastic form turnaround in the next fortnight. The whole club does.

The defensive positioning, ability to keep their feet,  and inability to win one on ones was poor and isn't going to be rectified overnight. 
Spot on
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #96
Some of us are a little (greatly) concerned after the practice games.
Others are a "wait until the proper stuff starts" type of supporter.
I've always been in the latter camp.
There's nothing wrong with either train of thought...it's just different.

I remember when we used to win, or go very well, in the pre-seasons only to fall in a heap once the season proper started.
It's chalk and cheese.
Have  a look at the results in some of the other practice games and tell me that's a true indication of the relative strengths of some sides.

We won't know which way it goes until the first shots are fired in 'anger'....and for me that's the main difference between practice games and regular season games.
There's no anger., no intensity and very little pressure in these games.
It will increase dramatically when 4 points are on the line.
Some clubs will thrive under those conditions, others will falter.
That's when we'll be able to see where we really stand.
But Lods, there was not even a glimpse (to me) that we can fight when the 4 points are up for grabs. Read my post carefully, we are making the same mistakes over and over and over. Not being able to compete for 4 qtrs is a real worry. For example, Setterfield had a bread and butter shot from from around 30m out directly in front at the Royal Parade end. He sprayed it badly. This is an end where they train this week in week out and have shot after shot. You tell me there is no intensity or pressure in these games and yet he simply misses. Just plain UNACCEPTABLE. Excuses keep getting made year after year, I am effin sick of it. I say again, Its not the loss per se', its the way we lost, same as every other loss for the last 5 years. If we were trying something totally different and we lost, I would get it. But it was a full dress rehearsel for round 1, David Teagues words pre,match on FOX not mine. Well if thats the dress rehearsal, we're forked.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #97

 
 I've been a bit worried about Kreuzer for a couple years now.

TBH, he simply isn't good enough. Injuries have ruined him.
His best is still quite good, but he is never allowed to perform at his best.

In an ideal world, TDK would replace him by seasons end.

I'd play TDK this week in place of McKay, we need more firepower down forward and Kreuzer needs phasing out...
Pittonet is still a bit raw but is probably better suited to meatheads like Soldo...

 

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #98
I'd play TDK this week in place of McKay, we need more firepower down forward and Kreuzer needs phasing out...
Pittonet is still a bit raw but is probably better suited to meatheads like Soldo...
Can't bring underdone players in for rnd 1, they will be passengers like Gov and Marchy were last night. TDK has at least had a hit or two in the Marsh series so yeah, play him. Harry needs to build fitness in the 2s and prove his groins are up to some semblance of AFL standard. SPS is in the same boat. As for some of the other ordinary performers last night, not sure what to do about them.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #99
Can't bring underdone players in for rnd 1, they will be passengers like Gov and Marchy were last night. TDK has at least had a hit or two in the Marsh series so yeah, play him. Harry needs to build fitness in the 2s and prove his groins are up to some semblance of AFL standard. SPS is in the same boat. As for some of the other ordinary performers last night, not sure what to do about them.
McGovern should be playing twos, doesnt help our delivery is poor but he just doesnt get to enough contests....but you cant drop him given we have McKay and C. Curnow out and just have to hope he can lift on the bigger stage.
Marchbank is at the crossroads, cant see him playing vs Richmond given he lacks match fitness and their mobile forward line.
Like to see him play 3-4 games in the NB's and prove he can stay on the park, we all know he can play but how long can you carry players who are not able to stay fit?

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #100
Nothing short of pathetic IMO.  He MUST get on the front foot from the get go.  He will incur my wrath really quickly if he doesn't.  That's his freakin' job, practice match or not !!!

Lions, Cats, Bombers, Swans and Giants have all sent out assistants for the post match interviews so far. It's not unheard of. Although the senior coaches of those clubs have been around for a while. Teague is the only one of the noobs to not front up. Whether there's some genuine reason behind it is hard to gauge.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #101
Lions, Cats, Bombers, Swans and Giants have all sent out assistants for the post match interviews so far. It's not unheard of. Although the senior coaches of those clubs have been around for a while. Teague is the only one of the noobs to not front up. Whether there's some genuine reason behind it is hard to gauge.

I don't think there's anything sinister in who fronts the media after practice matches, gives the assistants some media training... plus Dale A is a pretty good media performer.

Must confess I am far more concerned with what we dished up last night than whose turn it is to talk about it.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #102
I don't think there's anything sinister in who fronts the media after practice matches, gives the assistants some media training... plus Dale A is a pretty good media performer.

Must confess I am far more concerned with what we dished up last night than whose turn it is to talk about it.

Agree...Amos speaks well and I reckon Teague has a few more things to worry about than giving a presser.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #103
I don't think there's anything sinister in who fronts the media after practice matches, gives the assistants some media training... plus Dale A is a pretty good media performer.

Must confess I am far more concerned with what we dished up last night than whose turn it is to talk about it.

I agree, but some folks on here seem quite upset. Truth to tell I prefer Amos to Dinkum Dave.

I don't think we should be freaking out just yet. Half a dozen or so games into the season will give us a better idea. We don't have a true KPF for starters. McKay should be back soon. Charlie, McGovern, Levi, etc. are more 2nd 3rd forwards. The crumbers will function better with a true KPF.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #104
Late to the discussion so apologies if I rehash other comments.

We brushed off last week's effort saying it was just a practice match! This was the real deal before it all starts. Apart from SPS, that's pretty much the team we'll be choosing from and after kicking the first 4 goals, we lost by 8!

Only made to look good early because Brisbane forgot to turn up...once they did, they made us look silly.

Like last week, only a few highlights for mine. Martin looks like he'll be really good for us but concerning at half time that he looked completely stuffed...maybe that's a knock on him? Walsh is just a competitive beast who does not stop and looks to have just picked up where he left off last year. TDK looks like he's worth taking a punt on early in the season. Silvagni should be in the first picked each week. Yes, his kicking for goal lets him down but he just busts a gut the whole time...running up and down, making a contest in the air and on the ground, chasing/tackling.

Too many downsides again though:

- Marchbank looks unfortunately like one of those blokes who just can't stay on the ground because of injuries. But to be honest, doesn't contribute much out there anyway.
- McGovern needs nothing short of a rocket. Does he not realise we'll be without Curnow for most of the season and McKay for a good part of it too? He looks lazy and no second efforts at all. At this rate Levi will need to play permanent forward and maybe TDK as second ruck/forward option depending on conditions for round 1.
- too many players with absolutely sh#t disposal skills. These blokes play/train virtually 5 days a week but still can't hit a team mate on his own from 30m away. How many turnovers yesterday? Blokes like Setterfield, Polson, Plowman, Marchbank just can't kick. Dow looked pretty good in parts with his run and carry but just blasts it into no mans land when he kicks it...and more often than not, straight to an opponent.
- did we win any free kicks for holding the ball tackles? Seemed like whenever we got tackled it was holding the ball but when we laid a tackle, it was a ball up.

If that's basically the lineup against Richmond we're gonna get our pants pulled down and make the calls louder for us to be taken away from the season opener each year.