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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #150 –
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spot on Gic.

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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #152 –
Going worse case scenario,  we're all chips in with Teague,  what happens if end 2020 in the bottom four again?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #153 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Going worse case scenario,  we're all chips in with Teague,  what happens if end 2020 in the bottom four again?
Probably get 2021 but be under all sorts of internal/external pressure and we know how that usually ends......Ross Lyon just cooling his jets in the media might be thinking he might be a sneaky chance especially if he can fix the relationship with Brad Lloyd.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #155 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Going worse case scenario,  we're all chips in with Teague,  what happens if end 2020 in the bottom four again?
Goodbye David, hello Ross. And if nothing else, I'd guess Ross would sort out some of the princesses at the club.
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #156 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Goodbye David, hello Ross. And if nothing else, I'd guess Ross would sort out some of the princesses at the club.
Ross the Boss! ;)

SOS, out one door, in the other! ;D

Personally, I think Ross the Boss is the worst possible coach for our list, but then again the AFL Captain's survey suggests our list is rubbish anyway!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #157 –
Quote from: LP on
Ross the Boss! ;)

SOS, out one door, in the other! ;D

Personally, I think Ross the Boss is the worst possible coach for our list, but then again the AFL Captain's survey suggests our list is rubbish anyway!

We still have some players who are major concerns for sure.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #158 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Goodbye David, hello Ross. And if nothing else, I'd guess Ross would sort out some of the princesses at the club.

There would be a mass player exodus if that occured. Not so much because Ross was brought in, but because Teague was fired.

He needs at least 2021 to make sure 2020 was not 'the norm' if it goes badly. We are already behind the 8-ball with Curnow/McKay forward line duo out indefinitely.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #159 –

Bolton had plenty of love from the players especially Cripps, Doc etc and nothing changed when he got fired out the door.
Players tend to adapt to the new situation and you often get that sugar hit of wins that overcomes resentment.
Teague forced his appointment by weight of results, Judd didnt want him but the results stacked up forcing the club to take on a L plate coach, but thats on the proviso he keeps delivering IMO, dont think injuries will be factored in.
Does depend on the CoVid19 and how the season is structured though, if its a badly interrupted season then all coaches would get a free pass for the year IMO.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #160 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Bolton had plenty of love from the players especially Cripps, Doc etc and nothing changed when he got fired out the door.
Players tend to adapt to the new situation and you often get that sugar hit of wins that overcomes resentment.
Teague forced his appointment by weight of results, Judd didnt want him but the results stacked up forcing the club to take on a L plate coach, but thats on the proviso he keeps delivering IMO, dont think injuries will be factored in.
Does depend on the CoVid19 and how the season is structured though, if its a badly interrupted season then all coaches would get a free pass for the year IMO.

The difference with Bolton is he had years with the players.

Teague would have had 1 year......different circumstances.

Whether you loved or hated Bolton, it was hard to argue that he was hard done by and we pulled the trigger too soon.
If we do the same with Teague after just 1 year, it would be a lot harder to justify his sacking than it was Bolton.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #161 –
I think sheer weight of numbers cost Bolton in the end. The losses kept piling up and as far as position on the ladder, we weren't improving one bit...regardless of whether he was good or not, those sort of results have a finite life and supporters, sponsors, members, board etc decide enough is enough. Teague won't have pressure on him this year but there needs to be improvement in players who've been there 3-5 years.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #162 –
Quote from: kruddler on
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Whether you loved or hated Bolton, it was hard to argue that he was hard done by and we pulled the trigger too soon.
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Nonsense. Things were never settled during Bolton's era. 50 player changes, change of CEO, change of List Manager, change of High Performance Manager, change of assistant coaches, illness and subsequent passing of his dad etc. 

Echoing the words of one of our other members (who doesn't post much anymore), Bolton has gone onto a senior position at the most successful and ruthless club of recent times. A club with a culture that is completely foreign to Carlton, and whilst the current board and others with deep pockets continue to rule the roost, that culture will remain foreign.

It's not about the coach. Teague will benefit from the hard work done by his predecessors, and will also benefit from a more settled club, a change of focus, and the inclusion of blokes like Docherty and Williamson. Under such circumstances, a rise up the ladder is virtually a given. But we will never be more than a mid table team until the big issues above the coach are addressed.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #163 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Nonsense. Things were never settled during Bolton's era. 50 player changes, change of CEO, change of List Manager, change of High Performance Manager, change of assistant coaches.

Echoing the words of one of our other members (who doesn't post much anymore), Bolton has gone onto a senior position at the most successful and ruthless club of recent times. A club with a culture that is completely foreign to Carlton, and whilst the current board and others with deep pockets continue to rule the roost, that culture will remain foreign.

It's not about the coach. Teague will benefit from the hard work done by his predecessors, and will also benefit from a more settled club, a change of focus, and the inclusion of blokes like Docherty and Williamson. Under such circumstances, a rise up the ladder is virtually a given. But we will never be more than a mid table team until the big issues above the coach are addressed.

I said it was hard....not impossible.

My issue with your argument is that almost none of it factors in how Bolton was going as a coach.
Almost everything points to past wrongs by the club.....which i agree with....but that does not make Bolton immune from the blow torch.

It is not either/or, it can be both.....and it was.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #164 –
Quote from: kruddler on
There would be a mass player exodus if that occured. Not so much because Ross was brought in, but because Teague was fired.

He needs at least 2021 to make sure 2020 was not 'the norm' if it goes badly. We are already behind the 8-ball with Curnow/McKay forward line duo out indefinitely.
You'd would have said the same about Bolton, players moved on immediately, always have, always will.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time