Rumour is that we will be playing the Cats at Geelong next season!
We have no home ground because of the AFL and now we're going to have to play the only ViC club with a distinct home ground advantage. I am utterly sick of Geelong being pampered by the state Govt, AFL and the media.
How the F#*+K are we supposed to get to watch the game?!!
Rumour is that we will be playing the Cats at Geelong next season!
We have no home ground because of the AFL and now we're going to have to play the only ViC club with a distinct home ground advantage. I am utterly sick of Geelong being pampered by the state Govt, AFL and the media.
How the F#*+K are we supposed to get to watch the game?!!
Quite simply, you dont and its a joke.
Rumour is that we will be playing the Cats at Geelong next season!
We have no home ground because of the AFL and now we're going to have to play the only ViC club with a distinct home ground advantage. I am utterly sick of Geelong being pampered by the state Govt, AFL and the media.
How the F#*+K are we supposed to get to watch the game?!!
If we play them in Geelong it will be because we are no longer a big enough draw to demand the game gets played in Melbourne, much like what happened with the draw this year with their game with Richmond.
Geelong are a Geelong club, not a Melbourne club and unlike us and other Melbourne clubs they made the decision to invest heavily in the redevelopment of their stadium, with assistance particularly from the council. They were down the path of only playing interstate teams this way. They created this situation and generally now have the right to demand their games down this way.
We could have taken this path, but we chose to leave our home ground.
We might well end up playing Hawthorn or North in Tasmania as well if we can't draw crowds here anymore.
The solution? Start winning games and drawing big crowds again.
Rumour is that we will be playing the Cats at Geelong next season!
We have no home ground because of the AFL and now we're going to have to play the only ViC club with a distinct home ground advantage. I am utterly sick of Geelong being pampered by the state Govt, AFL and the media.
How the F#*+K are we supposed to get to watch the game?!!
I'm looking forward to that one; 20 minutes from home ... and we're a chance to upset the smug kents ????
If we play them in Geelong it will be because we are no longer a big enough draw to demand the game gets played in Melbourne, much like what happened with the draw this year with their game with Richmond.
Geelong are a Geelong club, not a Melbourne club and unlike us and other Melbourne clubs they made the decision to invest heavily in the redevelopment of their stadium, with assistance particularly from the council. They were down the path of only playing interstate teams this way. They created this situation and generally now have the right to demand their games down this way.
We could have taken this path, but we chose to leave our home ground.
We might well end up playing Hawthorn or North in Tasmania as well if we can't draw crowds here anymore.
The solution? Start winning games and drawing big crowds again.
Have to disagree. We were the fourth highest drawing team in 2017! Only beaten by Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond. In the late 1990s Elliot planned a development including lights and an underground car park to be shared with Unimelb. A capacity of 40-50000 was mooted. Unfortunately for us there was a Mr Fitzpatrick leading a private equity group that was involved in the development of Colonial Stadium and they wanted tenants. Messers Kennett and Demetriou were also keen on Colonial Stadium. The former drawing closer to an election that he would eventually lose and he didn't want to upset his voters in Carlton. No help for us. Geelong has been gifted funding from the AFL and both Liberal and Labor state governments. They have a ground that is narrow and long which gives them a distinct playing advantage over teams that rarely play there. The AFL has helped them way too much.
Have to disagree. We were the fourth highest drawing team in 2017! Only beaten by Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond. In the late 1990s Elliot planned a development including lights and an underground car park to be shared with Unimelb. A capacity of 40-50000 was mooted. Unfortunately for us there was a Mr Fitzpatrick leading a private equity group that was involved in the development of Colonial Stadium and they wanted tenants. Messers Kennett and Demetriou were also keen on Colonial Stadium. The former drawing closer to an election that he would eventually lose and he didn't want to upset his voters in Carlton. No help for us. Geelong has been gifted funding from the AFL and both Liberal and Labor state governments. They have a ground that is narrow and long which gives them a distinct playing advantage over teams that rarely play there. The AFL has helped them way too much.
slight correction.
Ian Collins not mike Fitzpatrick.
Had Elliott not been a dill with the management of our salary cap, we wouldn't have been in that mess to begin with.
He is at fault for all of it.
I'm looking forward to that one; 20 minutes from home ... and we're a chance to upset the smug kents ????
You must live close to me.
Have to disagree. We were the fourth highest drawing team in 2017! Only beaten by Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond. In the late 1990s Elliot planned a development including lights and an underground car park to be shared with Unimelb. A capacity of 40-50000 was mooted. Unfortunately for us there was a Mr Fitzpatrick leading a private equity group that was involved in the development of Colonial Stadium and they wanted tenants. Messers Kennett and Demetriou were also keen on Colonial Stadium. The former drawing closer to an election that he would eventually lose and he didn't want to upset his voters in Carlton. No help for us. Geelong has been gifted funding from the AFL and both Liberal and Labor state governments. They have a ground that is narrow and long which gives them a distinct playing advantage over teams that rarely play there. The AFL has helped them way too much.
So Geelong is not entitled to have a home ground you are saying?
That should in fact be forced to play in a different city 1 hour away?
Our mismanagement of our football club meant there was no way we could afford to continue playing games at our home ground. We done that. We ran our club badly, no one made us. If Geelong was able to obtain funding for their stadium that is because they were able to convince those with the cheque books that it was a good investment.
They (like any club) have a right to play their home games at their home stadium. It makes them a lot of money playing home games. We don't often fill stadiums anymore and if Geelong can make more money playing us in Geelong then why wouldn't they put that forward as a request? Wouldn't we do exactly the same thing if we could make more money playing teams at Princes Park?
Carlton used to be a huge drawcard everywhere we played, be it Melbourne, Geelong or interstate, but at the moment we are not. You quote Richmond, yet Richmond had to play in Geelong this year.
I don't get why we feel as a club we have more of a divine right to determine where we play our away games. Like I said if North or Hawthorn want to put us forward as one of their games in Tasmania, well it is their home game... Melbourne (for example) have had to travel their (and to Kardinia Park) many times over the years.
I stick by it, if we want to force our games to be in Melbourne we need to ensure they are always sellouts.
In any case in the future I can see Geelong playing all of their home games back in Geelong
Min1, it's the surreptitious, sly , incremental shift back to boutique stadia that ticks me off.
Cats, Bulldogs and Hawks and Cheats FC (I believe) have, or are lobbying for, public funds to fund boutique stadia.... something that the CFC foresaw 25 years ago and funded itself. This was then used by the then AFL to bankrupt the club and make us malleable to the whims of those in charge...
The boutique stadium that is required is already extant, funny that it gets used for the AFLW etc and ignored due to "parking" issues etc.... 30 000 AFLW sel-lout was lauded if IIRC, yet the ground is regarded as not up to snuff for men's AFL games!
Min1, it's the surreptitious, sly , incremental shift back to boutique stadia that ticks me off.
Cats, Bulldogs and Hawks and Cheats FC (I believe) have, or are lobbying for, public funds to fund boutique stadia.... something that the CFC foresaw 25 years ago and funded itself. This was then used by the then AFL to bankrupt the club and make us malleable to the whims of those in charge...
The boutique stadium that is required is already extant, funny that it gets used for the AFLW etc and ignored due to "parking" issues etc.... 30 000 AFLW sel-lout was lauded if IIRC, yet the ground is regarded as not up to snuff for men's AFL games!
Exactly right Prof E. We were robbed of our home stadium because of a political situation involving some heavy hitters. I'm not against Geelong playing at their home stadium against interstate teams. We ARE the 4th highest drawing club in the AFL therefore the crowd argument doesn't gel.
Exactly right Prof E. We were robbed of our home stadium because of a political situation involving some heavy hitters. I'm not against Geelong playing at their home stadium against interstate teams. We ARE the 4th highest drawing club in the AFL therefore the crowd argument doesn't gel.
We were robbed of our home stadium by hippy greenies in Parkville, plain and simple.
We were robbed of our home stadium by hippy greenies in Parkville, plain and simple.
Quite true, but Kennett and friends were so keen to build Colonial that they were not going to help overcome local objections and were prepared to see us bankrupt. Also, let's not forget that Ian Collins took us away from Carlton and was rewarded with the plum job of running the stadium once we were ensconced.
Who tends to play best at the G in September?? Those who are most exposed to the G during the year. Interstate teams MAY have an advantage in home and away matches but Freo WCE Adelaide Swans GWS don’t feel fully comfortable at the G. In time Geelong will be the same. Used to playing on their long skinny ground, they too will find it more difficult to adapt to the size of the G.
Exactly right Prof E. We were robbed of our home stadium because of a political situation involving some heavy hitters. I'm not against Geelong playing at their home stadium against interstate teams. We ARE the 4th highest drawing club in the AFL therefore the crowd argument doesn't gel.
So categorically it should be their supporters (that are mainly in Geelong and the Western District) that should have to travel to appease opposition fans?
There is absolutely no reason at all Geelong cannot choose to play their home game at their home ground..
Oh last year we played them at Docklands in front of a massive 35,000 crowd. Geelong is going to make a LOT more money in front of 34,000 at Kardinia Park.
Our crowd numbers had us 6th overall on average. 5th of Victorian clubs and only an average of 330 more than Hawthorn.
Our average numbers per game were 39710. Despite the 5 blockbuster games with the biggest drawing crowds of Richmond, Essendon & Collingwood.
We are not a a big draw card anymore and if you go back to 2011 when we were averaging 50,000+ a game sure..
I can't see a Victorian game Carlton sold out in 2017.
And despite all of that Geelong is a Geelong club, not a Melbourne club and can play all their home games in Geelong if they so choose.
Once again why should it be on their supporters from their home town to have to travel up to Melbourne to suit Carlton that seems like nonsense to me.
IF we were in their boots, we would demand the right to play our home games against who we saw fit to maximise our profits.
There is absolutely zero reason why Geelong should be forced to only play interstate clubs at their home ground, none at all.
The problem i have with playing the cats down there is not about playing them down there because we are now a lowly club.
The problem i have is when we were both up and running, we still had to play them at Etihad and not at the MCG. We could knock them off at the 'G, never could at Etihad.
Once we FINALLY knock them off at Etihad, they move it to a harder ground for us to try and win at.
Quite true, but Kennett and friends were so keen to build Colonial that they were not going to help overcome local objections and were prepared to see us bankrupt. Also, let's not forget that Ian Collins took us away from Carlton and was rewarded with the plum job of running the stadium once we were ensconced.
True, but wasnt the Docklands deals an effort by the AFL to help us out of the financial quagmire ?
Who tends to play best at the G in September?? Those who are most exposed to the G during the year. Interstate teams MAY have an advantage in home and away matches but Freo WCE Adelaide Swans GWS don’t feel fully comfortable at the G. In time Geelong will be the same. Used to playing on their long skinny ground, they too will find it more difficult to adapt to the size of the G.
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The problem i have with playing the cats down there is not about playing them down there because we are now a lowly club.
The problem i have is when we were both up and running, we still had to play them at Etihad and not at the MCG. We could knock them off at the 'G, never could at Etihad.
Once we FINALLY knock them off at Etihad, they move it to a harder ground for us to try and win at.
That's not right- I was there just last year when we last beat them and was definitely at Etihad.
So categorically it should be their supporters (that are mainly in Geelong and the Western District) that should have to travel to appease opposition fans?
There is absolutely no reason at all Geelong cannot choose to play their home game at their home ground..
Oh last year we played them at Docklands in front of a massive 35,000 crowd. Geelong is going to make a LOT more money in front of 34,000 at Kardinia Park.
Our crowd numbers had us 6th overall on average. 5th of Victorian clubs and only an average of 330 more than Hawthorn.
Our average numbers per game were 39710. Despite the 5 blockbuster games with the biggest drawing crowds of Richmond, Essendon &
We are not a a big draw card anymore and if you go back to 2011 when we were averaging 50,000+ a game sure..
I can't see a Victorian game Carlton sold out in 2017.
And despite all of that Geelong is a Geelong club, not a Melbourne club and can play all their home games in Geelong if they so choose.
Once again why should it be on their supporters from their home town to have to travel up to Melbourne to suit Carlton that seems like nonsense to me.
IF we were in their boots, we would demand the right to play our home games against who we saw fit to maximise our profits.
There is absolutely zero reason why Geelong should be forced to only play interstate clubs at their home ground, none at all.
Can't you read a statistical table? 4th overall. 4th average in home and away. More than Melbourne, Geelong, Hawthorn, Adelaide....Blockbusters are blockbusters because we're in them! It takes two to tango. The difference between playing at Etihad and Geelong is that Geelong fans can choose to attend Etihad. There is plenty of room. We won't get into Geelong's ground. No choice.
Heading to Hobart in round 4 it seems.
http://www.nmfc.com.au/news/2017-10-29/first-tassie-game-revealed
Can't you read a statistical table? 4th overall. 4th average in home and away. More than Melbourne, Geelong, Hawthorn, Adelaide....Blockbusters are blockbusters because we're in them! It takes two to tango. The difference between playing at Etihad and Geelong is that Geelong fans can choose to attend Etihad. There is plenty of room. We won't get into Geelong's ground. No choice.
I can read a statisical table just fine, but thanks for asking. Your head is in the sand if you think we are still a drawcard. You say the crowd numbers are irrelevant yet we drew only 35,000 last time we played Geelong. The only reason they could be irrelevant is because it is GEELONGS HOME STADIUM. That means they don't need to give a damn if it suits the opposition, That is the beauty of having a home stadium.
Geelong v Carlton will almost certainly have no walkup seating, but then try buying online or .. miss out.
Your argument seems to be based not on what is the correct decision, but what is best for you to get to go to the football. I am sorry but in the scheme of whether or not Geelong should be able to play a home game at it's preferred location, that is totally irrelevant.
Geelong could have made their ground capacity larger and therefore be able to accommodate the larger Victorian clubs. A capacity of 34k does not-should not qualify them to host any team but the interstate teams.
Why do they need to, each seat costs a lot extra to the expansion.
It is after all a home ground and it is their city.
Why do they need to make it to cater for opposition fans?
For every opposition fan who misses out there are Geelong fans who miss games at Etihad because they don't want to be arriving home at midnight from the football.
They have every right and they make far more money out of their 34,000 seat stadium than they would out of hosting the game at Etihad also.
There is simply no logic other than 'it is unfair that opposition supporters might not get a seat'.
Here is the thing.. Only 35,000 bothered to turn up to Etihad.
On a world scale, 34,000 is a very good sized stadium for a professional sports team and there is no way they should be restricted to only playing a couple of interstate teams a year there.
Why do they need to, each seat costs a lot extra to the expansion.
It is after all a home ground and it is their city.
Why do they need to make it to cater for opposition fans?
For every opposition fan who misses out there are Geelong fans who miss games at Etihad because they don't want to be arriving home at midnight from the football.
They have every right and they make far more money out of their 34,000 seat stadium than they would out of hosting the game at Etihad also.
There is simply no logic other than 'it is unfair that opposition supporters might not get a seat'.
Here is the thing.. Only 35,000 bothered to turn up to Etihad.
On a world scale, 34,000 is a very good sized stadium for a professional sports team and there is no way they should be restricted to only playing a couple of interstate teams a year there.
Let's play Collingwood, Essendon etc...there then. There's a reason those clubs don't play there, same reason we weren't playing those clubs at Princes Park in the end. Supporters have to be able to have the chance ti see their club. Cats already get 7 home games a year.
Why do they need to, each seat costs a lot extra to the expansion.
It is after all a home ground and it is their city.
Why do they need to make it to cater for opposition fans?
For every opposition fan who misses out there are Geelong fans who miss games at Etihad because they don't want to be arriving home at midnight from the football.
They have every right and they make far more money out of their 34,000 seat stadium than they would out of hosting the game at Etihad also.
There is simply no logic other than 'it is unfair that opposition supporters might not get a seat'.
Here is the thing.. Only 35,000 bothered to turn up to Etihad.
On a world scale, 34,000 is a very good sized stadium for a professional sports team and there is no way they should be restricted to only playing a couple of interstate teams a year there.
I agree.
We regularly used to play the cats at pp too.
Games between us and them at the G weren't regular.
Let's play Collingwood, Essendon etc...there then. There's a reason those clubs don't play there, same reason we weren't playing those clubs at Princes Park in the end. Supporters have to be able to have the chance ti see their club. Cats already get 7 home games a year.
And they have 11 games and can choose their home grown in the same way the Richmond chooses the G and Saints chooses Etihad.
The same option Hawthorn & Fitzroy had to play their games at PP. They are THEIR home games. You forget they played Richmond their this year or ignore the fact. Why? Because Richmond had been crap for quite a while so it made sense and they will make a lot more money.
Geelong doesn't have to provide a stadium to cater to every fan, what absolute nonsense.
If Carlton wanted to rebuild their stadium, they would have every right to play there.
Should Hawthorn and Kangaroos have no right to play us in Tasmania?
It is THEIR home game and they are entitled to play it at a location that gives them the best return, whether they be financial or parochial or home ground support or both.
M8in1. You are obviously not going to change your mind, nor will I change mine.
The AFL should not be indulging Geelong by sending well-supported Melbourne based clubs to play there as there are not enough seats to accommodate visitors. End of story. 8)
Memo to Carlton: one of the best ways to discourage Vic-based members & ensure no growth in your membership base is to play a home game interstate.
Friggin' boneheads running our Club....
Memo to Carlton: one of the best ways to discourage Vic-based members & ensure no growth in your membership base is to play a home game interstate.
Friggin' boneheads running our Club....
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Memo to Carlton: one of the best ways to discourage Vic-based members & ensure no growth in your membership base is to play a home game interstate.
Friggin' boneheads running our Club....
Interestingly...it's worked for Hawthorn
Interestingly...it's worked for Hawthorn
Yeah - nothing to do with their on field success ::)
And they have 11 games and can choose their home grown in the same way the Richmond chooses the G and Saints chooses Etihad.
The same option Hawthorn & Fitzroy had to play their games at PP. They are THEIR home games. You forget they played Richmond their this year or ignore the fact. Why? Because Richmond had been crap for quite a while so it made sense and they will make a lot more money.
Geelong doesn't have to provide a stadium to cater to every fan, what absolute nonsense.
If Carlton wanted to rebuild their stadium, they would have every right to play there.
Should Hawthorn and Kangaroos have no right to play us in Tasmania?
It is THEIR home game and they are entitled to play it at a location that gives them the best return, whether they be financial or parochial or home ground support or both.
Bad luck.
If you can't fit the opposition supporters into the ground then you don't play them there.
Alot of supporters don't travel interstate, so that's irrelevant. We're talking two Victorian clubs where supporters will attend in their numbers. When one group essentially can't go then that's not on.
Bad luck.
If you can't fit the opposition supporters into the ground then you don't play them there.
Alot of supporters don't travel interstate, so that's irrelevant. We're talking two Victorian clubs where supporters will attend in their numbers. When one group essentially can't go then that's not on.
Actually.. you are wrong.. It is bad luck for the opposition, as shown by the fact Cats are getting the games they ask for, including Richmond last year.
But nice try
That's not right- I was there just last year when we last beat them and was definitely at Etihad.
...and that was our FIRST WIN EVER against the cats at Etihad. We were 0-13 (or 0-14) before that.
Hence why i said once we finally beat them, they move us to a harder venue.
It was actually 12-2, Riccardi's kick was so touched that the chief had two fingers broken, but I see your point.
It was actually 12-2, Riccardi's kick was so touched that the chief had two fingers broken, but I see your point.
Reckon there was probably 2 more as well.
Something with Troy Menzel springs to mind...and whatever year that was, perhaps another one that same year (or the year before).
FWIW, i just checked official stats.
Carlton vs Geelong @ Etihad.
Played 16 times, Carlton has 1 win.
They won this year. So it was 0-14. :-[
Bad luck.
If you can't fit the opposition supporters into the ground then you don't play them there.
Alot of supporters don't travel interstate, so that's irrelevant. We're talking two Victorian clubs where supporters will attend in their numbers. When one group essentially can't go then that's not on.
Thats my main beef with it. And the leg up they get from playing so many games there a year.
...and that was our FIRST WIN EVER against the cats at Etihad. We were 0-13 (or 0-14) before that.
Hence why i said once we finally beat them, they move us to a harder venue.
Sorry mate...I get it now. Getting old I think - need things spelt out to me these days ! ;)
Yeah - nothing to do with their on field success ::)
They made the Tassie move before winning the multiple premierships Brettie.
Actually.. you are wrong.. It is bad luck for the opposition, as shown by the fact Cats are getting the games they ask for, including Richmond last year.
But nice try
I reckon you might live in or around Geelong. If so, this disqualifies you from any rational argument you think you may have. Be careful. You may start growing whiskers. ;)
Actually.. you are wrong.. It is bad luck for the opposition, as shown by the fact Cats are getting the games they ask for, including Richmond last year.
But nice try
Not wrong at all. You make a profession of it though.
I reckon you might live in or around Geelong. If so, this disqualifies you from any rational argument you think you may have. Be careful. You may start growing whiskers. ;)
I live in Geelong but also believe, like yourself, you don't play big sides there unless you can fit opposition supporters in as well. Despite living there it'd unlikely i'd be getting in, like the Richmond supporters found last year
On another matter, we have 4 Friday night games this year.
https://media.foxsports.com.au/afl/2018_AFL_Fixtures.pdf
They made the Tassie move before winning the multiple premierships Brettie.
So we're playing a home game whereby 2 other teams have already established home bases......can someone please explain the logic in that??? Do I get a discount on my home game reserved-seat membership, seeing as I have no intention whatsoever of attending that particular game?
What a crap decision by the Club......worked a treat when we last did this against Freo up at the Gabba......FMD......
So we're playing a home game whereby 2 other teams have already established home bases......can someone please explain the logic in that??? Do I get a discount on my home game reserved-seat membership, seeing as I have no intention whatsoever of attending that particular game?
What a crap decision by the Club......worked a treat when we last did this against Freo up at the Gabba......FMD......
The Tassie game is an away game.
Round 4
Friday, April 13
Adelaide Crows vs. Collingwood (AO) 7.50pm(EST)
Saturday, April 14
GWS GIANTS vs. Fremantle (CO) 1.45pm(EST)
Richmond vs. Brisbane Lions (MCG) 2.10pm(EST)
Western Bulldogs vs. Sydney Swans (ES) 4.35PM(EST)
North Melbourne vs. Carlton (BA) 7.25PM(EST)
West Coast Eagles vs. Gold Coast SUNS (PS) 8.10PM(EST)
Sunday, April 15
Essendon vs. Port Adelaide (ES) 1.10pm(EST)
Hawthorn vs. Melbourne (MCG) 3.20pm(EST)
Geelong Cats vs. St Kilda (GMHBA) 4.40pm(EST)
So we're playing a home game whereby 2 other teams have already established home bases......can someone please explain the logic in that??? Do I get a discount on my home game reserved-seat membership, seeing as I have no intention whatsoever of attending that particular game?
What a crap decision by the Club......worked a treat when we last did this against Freo up at the Gabba......FMD......
I'd agree with you if this was a home game, yes it would be a silly move now that 2 other sides have targeted this extremely neglected market down here. Mind you I think you might find that North supporters will be outnumbered at their "home" game for this one. I also agree with you that from now on selling home games interstate (or overseas !!!) is a ridiculous exercise, there are no untapped interstate markets left like the one that existed here in Tas and Hawks & North have got their frigging feet in the door here now unfortunately.
Not wrong at all. You make a profession of it though.
That is one of the lamest retorts I have seen Jim and I have seen your Casboult arguments.
Not to mention the certainty by which you dismissed Richmond's form against Geelong as being Premiership form.
But if you keep going one will fall your way.
You are wrong, it happens in sports all over the world and guess what... it is happening in the AFL too.
You may not like it, but it doesn't mean the clubs or sporting organisations here or around the world listen to you.
Take English Football a FAR bigger sport than AFL and they allow about 3-4,000 seats for the opposition.
What about trying to get a seat to see the Chicago Bulls when Jordan was playing? Surely they should have found a bigger stadium?
Perhaps Atletico Madrid should play their home games at the Bernebau so more people can watch it ;D ::)
Delusional
Geelong owe Carlton supporter absolutely NOTHING and if the shoe was on the other foot and we had our stadium and it was a significant advantage to play there against Geelong I would want us to make that decision. It is a joke to think they give the slightest damn (or that they should) whether many Carlton fans get to see the game. There will be some ticket available online and the option is there to try and get them or miss out. Simple
That is one of the lamest retorts I have seen Jim and I have seen your Casboult arguments.
Not to mention the certainty by which you dismissed Richmond's form against Geelong as being Premiership form.
But if you keep going one will fall your way.
You are wrong, it happens in sports all over the world and guess what... it is happening in the AFL too.
You may not like it, but it doesn't mean the clubs or sporting organisations here or around the world listen to you.
Take English Football a FAR bigger sport than AFL and they allow about 3-4,000 seats for the opposition.
What about trying to get a seat to see the Chicago Bulls when Jordan was playing? Surely they should have found a bigger stadium?
Perhaps Atletico Madrid should play their home games at the Bernebau so more people can watch it ;D ::)
Delusional
Geelong owe Carlton supporter absolutely NOTHING and if the shoe was on the other foot and we had our stadium and it was a significant advantage to play there against Geelong I would want us to make that decision. It is a joke to think they give the slightest damn (or that they should) whether many Carlton fans get to see the game. There will be some ticket available online and the option is there to try and get them or miss out. Simple
You're the professional wrong man. Talk so much crap. I'm close to the point I just pass over what you have to say as I get sick of shaking my head at your posts.
Casboult's proved his worth here. You're just too weak to admit you're wrong. Club thinks he goes ok, you're ego doesn't.
Here, where a capacity is 34,000, you can only fit one side in hence you move the game to a bigger ground. There was a reason why we never played Essendon and Collingwood at Prices park in the end. Cats get 7 home games, that's good enough. Not as if Carlton can play at PP. Collingwood at Victoria Park, Essendon at Windy Hill, so Geelong did get a big advantage by keeping their ground as it is. Don't care what happens on grounds overseas when you have to travel miles to a ground as an away side. I'm talking what happens here with 10 sides in the one state where supporters can go every week.
So we're playing a home game whereby 2 other teams have already established home bases......can someone please explain the logic in that??? Do I get a discount on my home game reserved-seat membership, seeing as I have no intention whatsoever of attending that particular game?
What a crap decision by the Club......worked a treat when we last did this against Freo up at the Gabba......FMD......
Easy tiger... I counted 11 home games.
CheatsFC crying, claim they've been robbed of an MCG "Home Game", I gather that is the season opener they were lobbying for! If the MCG is their "Home Ground" why are they on such a good deal at Etihad?
The fixture looks OK for us. Quite a few 6 day breaks but no 5 day or less like many others.
Jon "Malph" Ralph and others putting the boots into Carlton on social media, claiming we don't deserve the draw we got! Their bias is exposed! Wah, wah, wah!
These nuffies are going to tear their hair out if the AFL start showing us some love, in bashing Carlton the media have had it too easy for too long. They need to start working and thinking harder for their next article! ;D
Not a bad draw, easier start but a tougher stretch on the run home......
How does the Cheats get to play only one top six team twice.
Who would've thought the AFL was rigged? :o
How does the Cheats get to play only one top six team twice.
Who would've thought the AFL was rigged? :o
Yep, looks like CheatsFC have the easiest draw, who would have thought it!
Yep, looks like CheatsFC have the easiest draw, who would have thought it!
High expectations on the EFC and Worsfold...spent big at the trade table, good draw....no excuses, poor season in 2018 and its bye bye Worsfold IMO....
High expectations on the EFC and Worsfold...spent big at the trade table, good draw....no excuses, poor season in 2018 and its bye bye Worsfold IMO....
They are premiership favourites!
You're the professional wrong man. Talk so much crap. I'm close to the point I just pass over what you have to say as I get sick of shaking my head at your posts.
Casboult's proved his worth here. You're just too weak to admit you're wrong. Club thinks he goes ok, you're ego doesn't.
Oh please do Jim, I am sure I won't be losing a lot of sleep.
As for wrong, mate I have been laughing at most things you have been posting for a while now.
As for Casboult, different thread but yeap they pay him like he is a KP forward too and chased hard to keep him ;D
Ah it is too easy
Keep em coming mate it keeps the off season amusing
No games at MCG after June 30 - That's the last EIGHT rounds...I thought it was our "home ground"??
Now Michael Gleeson over at The Rage whacking Carlton's draw;
AFL's Fixture Blue: Why Carlton shouldn't be playing to many Friday night games! (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-fixture-blue-why-carlton-shouldnt-be-playing-to-many-friday-night-games-20171031-gzbvkg.html)
Obviously my cynicism is unfounded! ::)
The Rats that have been knawing at our rudder for so many years, are squealing louder than ever as we start to get things back under control!
You can genuinely expect the knives to be sharpened and out for BB in 2018! ;)
Now Michael Gleeson over at The Rage whacking Carlton's draw;
AFL's Fixture Blue: Why Carlton shouldn't be playing to many Friday night games! (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-fixture-blue-why-carlton-shouldnt-be-playing-to-many-friday-night-games-20171031-gzbvkg.html)
Obviously my cynicism is unfounded! ::)
The Rats that have been knawing at our rudder for so many years, are squealing louder than ever as we start to get things back under control!
You can genuinely expect the knives to be sharpened and out for BB in 2018! ;)
If the AFL has a pre existing hatred and hostility towards CFC, then why give us so many Friday night games (not a sign of hatred IMO) ?
And if this hatred is at the forefront of their minds, why do they need to be reminded of it by journalists ?
You're the professional wrong man. Talk so much crap. I'm close to the point I just pass over what you have to say as I get sick of shaking my head at your posts.
Casboult's proved his worth here. You're just too weak to admit you're wrong. Club thinks he goes ok, you're ego doesn't.
Here, where a capacity is 34,000, you can only fit one side in hence you move the game to a bigger ground. There was a reason why we never played Essendon and Collingwood at Prices park in the end. Cats get 7 home games, that's good enough. Not as if Carlton can play at PP. Collingwood at Victoria Park, Essendon at Windy Hill, so Geelong did get a big advantage by keeping their ground as it is. Don't care what happens on grounds overseas when you have to travel miles to a ground as an away side. I'm talking what happens here with 10 sides in the one state where supporters can go every week.
:)In support of laj.
If the AFL has a pre existing hatred and hostility towards CFC, then why give us so many Friday night games (not a sign of hatred IMO) ?
And if this hatred is at the forefront of their minds, why do they need to be reminded of it by journalists ?
No of course not, the haters will hate, but that is not what I post about.
When someone makes the effort to put pen to paper, is it with or free of motive? There is a lot of politics that goes on in all this Paul, it would be naive to think their hearts are pure! Why with all the other potentially contentious issues in the draw, do we find Carlton's draw front page news on two national newspapers within 1hr of the draws publication? They had obvious rage before they even left the briefing, rage supplied internally or was it by a call from a Club President?
I think that is a sign of a simple hatred, much more so than a sign of any organised conspiracy. Further McLachlan and Auld put the heat on by their comments, but are they fairly quoted or verballed by the press, emphasis applied to those comments by the speaker or the editor?
I'd think the reality is the AFL have started reparations for Carlton, relative to the punishments handed out and the general AFL situation of the last few years. I detected some of this last season, mostly around the AFLW and from within football, not so much the media. It looks to me like the old regimes are fading but under some protest, and those articles are the last gasps of the self-righteous two-faced hypocrites who are nothing more than spoilt children crying wolf! For too long they have thrown tantrums and have gotten their way, but they do not speak for everyone anymore and the AFL is quickly realising the professional public commentary comes with a fair bit of agenda attached.
AFL Media has an infestation and it's not healthy, I suspect McLachlan has realised this!
Perhaps the CheatsFC saga has made them understand, when they hurt us they actually hurt everybody!
Sayonara Sheedy, your regime is dead!
PS; Is this AFL draw a sign that Lethlean has the job?
No of course not, the haters will hate, but that is not what I post about.
When someone makes the effort to put pen to paper, is it with or free of motive? There is a lot of politics that goes on in all this Paul, it would be naive to think their hearts are pure! Why with all the other potentially contentious issues in the draw, do we find Carlton's draw front page news on two national newspapers within 1hr of the draws publication? They had obvious rage before they even left the briefing, rage supplied internally or was it by a call from a Club President?
I think that is a sign of a simple hatred, much more so than a sign of any organised conspiracy. Further McLachlan and Auld put the heat on by their comments, but are they fairly quoted or verballed by the press, emphasis applied to those comments by the speaker or the editor?
I'd think the reality is the AFL have started reparations for Carlton, relative to the punishments handed out and the general AFL situation of the last few years. I detected some of this last season, mostly around the AFLW and from within football, not so much the media. It looks to me like the old regimes are fading but under some protest, and those articles are the last gasps of the self-righteous two-faced hypocrites who are nothing more than spoilt children crying wolf! For too long they have thrown tantrums and have gotten their way, but they do not speak for everyone anymore and the AFL is quickly realising the professional public commentary comes with a fair bit of agenda attached.
AFL Media has an infestation and it's not healthy, I suspect McLachlan has realised this!
Perhaps the CheatsFC saga has made them understand, when they hurt us they actually hurt everybody!
Sayonara Sheedy, your regime is dead!
PS; Is this AFL draw a sign that Lethlean has the job?
So, you reckon the AFL believes we've now been punished enough, and it's time to "ease the squeeze" ?
Notwithstanding a rubbish article from Michael Gleeson, we really need to play a lot better in next year's Friday night fixtures. Any blow outs or train wrecks and the club will be caned.
Notwithstanding a rubbish article from Michael Gleeson, we really need to play a lot better in next year's Friday night fixtures. Any blow outs or train wrecks and the club will be caned.
It is hard to believe that we have 4 Friday night games... and one against Sydney at the SCG. I don’t even want to watch that one.
Little bit worried that the AFL are trying to give us a hand... because our financial position has deteriorated... which is why Trigg was sacked.
Just thinking out loud, I hope the draw dosn't influence our strategy at the darft and with DFAs. I can imagine phone calls from the board to put pressure on to make sure we are competitive this year given the favourable exposure on Thurs/Fri nights, which has great potential to attract new sponsors and members. Hope we are strong enough as a club to stick with the overall stratgey and build for sustained success
AFL's fixture blue: Why Carlton shouldn't be playing too many Friday night games
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-fixture-blue-why-carlton-shouldnt-be-playing-to-many-friday-night-games-20171031-gzbvkg.html
Carlton were one of the worst teams in the competition this year. They finished third-bottom, which was one place worse than last year. They have traded away Bryce Gibbs, one of their best players, and so will be more callow next year than this.
They have also played one of the least attractive brands of football, where scoring is secondary to not being scored against. There are justifications for that – whether you agree with them or not – about teaching a young team to defend and buttressing the back line against heavy losses, but regardless of that, Carlton's education is far from complete.
And yet, against all of this, the AFL reckons them ready to be thrust into more prime-time slots next year. Does no one remember the conga line of Friday night car crashes in 2015 when Carlton had nowhere to hide?
There are more teams with a more deserving argument to occupy these slots. Melbourne, anyone? Anyone? The Demons get one Friday night game and yes, they get Queen's Birthday, but so what? The fixture requires its architects speculate on a club like stockbrokers. Melbourne should be a buy, Carlton a hold. The AFL did the opposite.
There is no basis to argue it is a good idea to shove Carlton out on more Friday nights next year. It will be easier to sell sponsorships so that will help their bottom line and make things easier for their new CEO, but that is about it. Though that CEO is expected to be former AFL executive Simon Lethlean.
The desire for Carlton to follow Richmond as next year's awakened giant is understandable, but wishing it to be so does not make it so. Carlton is not there yet and at least on the field they seem to know it. Does the AFL?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-afls-fixture-leaves-plenty-to-be-desired-as-gold-coast-gifts-a-win-to-fremantle-and-blues-get-four-friday-night-clashes/news-story/989e7f6254b3bad74d15beddda738523?from=htc_rss
THE AFL has its fixture release down to such a fine art that it is normally a stretch to confect some outrage.
A weighted formula means the toughest draw goes to the top-six teams and the best teams deservedly get the marquee Friday night slots
How do you get upset when most teams get what they deserve?
Which is why several key elements of this year’s fixture were so jarring when released on Tuesday.
No matter how you spin it, the AFL can’t justify gifting Carlton four Friday night games next year.
Especially when they already have a Thursday night season-opener against Richmond as well.
Carlton might have a good sprinkling of exciting kids, but this is a team which finished 16th this year, which was 18th for scoring, which for all its potential plays a sedate, defence-first risk-free game plan.
North Melbourne, Brisbane, Fremantle and Gold Coast all got no Friday night games, and GWS, Hawthorn, Melbourne and West Coast got one each.
So when eight teams including Hawthorn get a combined four Friday nights, its impossible to justify the Blues getting four by themselves.
In 2015 Carlton’s Friday night losing margins were 69 points, 75 points, 77 points, 60 points, 30 points and 138 points.
This year it played a bunch of kids and lost by 90 points to Port Adelaide in its only Friday night game, having lost by 43 points to the Tigers in the Thursday night season-opener.
The league will hope to sell next year’s games on Charlie Curnow’s improvement and tight low-scoring contests, but a fixture shouldn’t be built on hope.
It’s just plain wrong.
Not sure why both articles refer to 2015. The club is unrecognizable compared to now.
Not sure why both articles refer to 2015. The club is unrecognizable compared to now.
The reason both articles refer to 2015 is that the writers are bereft of arguments to support their opinions.
One thing that Bolton has done is reduce the number of blow outs. Our footy may not be exhilarating but the results are usually quite close - and that's good for TV audiences. However, a long, hard season with very few hardened campaigners could see us fall away towards the end of the season. That could present some unedifying spectacles.
Travis Auld let the cat out on SEN yesterday.... The AFL are concerned about our financial position, especially the failure to attract a major sponsor. The night games are to make us attractive at a corporate level.
The media pundits are clueless.
Travis Auld let the cat out on SEN yesterday.... The AFL are concerned about our financial position, especially the failure to attract a major sponsor. The night games are to make us attractive at a corporate level.
The media pundits are clueless.
I heard that and thought that Auld was making it up on the run. Didn't Virgin Australia take over from Career One?
We also picked up CUB and Uber as sponsors during the year.
Not sure why both articles refer to 2015. The club is unrecognizable compared to now.
When LP says something about an underlying media white anting of Carlton, you should listen and even if you reject that hypothesis, test it before rejecting it. Thoroughly.
I think they will line up to kick us at each and every opportunity presented. I don't believe its down to any other factor, but our history. We were historically the most hated arrogant club, so to have non Carlton alligned media hate us makes sense, particularly when those self proffessed people back clubs like Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.
None of these lightweights have talked about how few prime time slots we got in 2017 and 2016 however, choosing only to focus on things that sell their story.
Meanwhile, notice how not one other club has been mentioned in this conversation?
Also, its a bit rich to play the man. We have all of 2 home games on Friday night. 1 against Collingwood, and the other against Adelaide in the final round of the season which is supposed to be a floating fixture which changes based on the way the season unfolds (unless I am mistaken) which means that its not genuinely a Friday night game as everyone is listed as playing on that Friday night currently.
The other 2 friday night fixtures, are our opponents choice. 1 in Sydney. The other is the Bulldogs.
As far as I am aware, the clubs go to the AFL with requests to play clubs at home, and the the AFL have to balance that accordingly against the requests of the home team fixturing as receipts at the gate are still part of this equation. Irrespective of what TV land thinks of our club and where we are at, we are still better visiting teams to have at the gate for clubs than most of the teams "crying" about the lack of friday night fixturing because we do have a big supporter base, who do go to games, particularly in places like Sydney, and WA.
Our season opener is about 10 years old now, and shouldn't be mentioned in this conversation yet it is.
Travis Auld let the cat out on SEN yesterday.... The AFL are concerned about our financial position, especially the failure to attract a major sponsor. The night games are to make us attractive at a corporate level.
The media pundits are clueless.
Spot on, Trigg was running us into the ground.
The reason both articles refer to 2015 is that the writers are bereft of arguments to support their opinions.
One thing that Bolton has done is reduce the number of blow outs. Our footy may not be exhilarating but the results are usually quite close - and that's good for TV audiences. However, a long, hard season with very few hardened campaigners could see us fall away towards the end of the season. That could present some unedifying spectacles.
My initial question was partly rhetorical.
I think an absorbing, closely fought, 4 quarter contest is more enjoyable than a blowout game, which is over by 1/4 time. I watched many games with the Crows etc. that became a pointless spectacle by half time.
I'm no fan of the style we play, but that's only part of the issue. The main issue is what both teams bring to the contest to make it a great game of footy. We were in plenty of games, with final quarter leads in 7 of them, so there's more to it than shoot out footy.
When LP says something about an underlying media white anting of Carlton, you should listen and even if you reject that hypothesis, test it before rejecting it. Thoroughly.
I think they will line up to kick us at each and every opportunity presented. I don't believe its down to any other factor, but our history. We were historically the most hated arrogant club, so to have non Carlton alligned media hate us makes sense, particularly when those self proffessed people back clubs like Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond.
None of these lightweights have talked about how few prime time slots we got in 2017 and 2016 however, choosing only to focus on things that sell their story.
Meanwhile, notice how not one other club has been mentioned in this conversation?
Also, its a bit rich to play the man. We have all of 2 home games on Friday night. 1 against Collingwood, and the other against Adelaide in the final round of the season which is supposed to be a floating fixture which changes based on the way the season unfolds (unless I am mistaken) which means that its not genuinely a Friday night game as everyone is listed as playing on that Friday night currently.
The other 2 friday night fixtures, are our opponents choice. 1 in Sydney. The other is the Bulldogs.
As far as I am aware, the clubs go to the AFL with requests to play clubs at home, and the the AFL have to balance that accordingly against the requests of the home team fixturing as receipts at the gate are still part of this equation. Irrespective of what TV land thinks of our club and where we are at, we are still better visiting teams to have at the gate for clubs than most of the teams "crying" about the lack of friday night fixturing because we do have a big supporter base, who do go to games, particularly in places like Sydney, and WA.
Our season opener is about 10 years old now, and shouldn't be mentioned in this conversation yet it is.
The media back winners. As I've said previously, go back to 2011, early 2012 and see how much negative press was written about us.
The media back winners. As I've said previously, go back to 2011, early 2012 and see how much negative press was written about us.
Absolutely not the case, and I cant believe you missed the fact that Garry Lyon of all people is boosting Melbourne for lack of Friday night football.
I didnt see them playing finals, nor do I see many of their supporters at the MCG during winter.
Finally, you didnt address the fact that one of our 4 friday night fixtures is to be determined as round 23 is not a certainty yet.
Spot on, Trigg was running us into the ground.
Good draw, Friday night games...lets give our mate Simon Lethlean a helping hand when he gets to Carlton....
Absolutely not the case, and I cant believe you missed the fact that Garry Lyon of all people is boosting Melbourne for lack of Friday night football.
I didnt see them playing finals, nor do I see many of their supporters at the MCG during winter.
Finally, you didnt address the fact that one of our 4 friday night fixtures is to be determined as round 23 is not a certainty yet.
I have no idea why you think Lyon whinging about the Dees' fixture is even worth a comment.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/garry-lyon-the-latest-to-whack-the-afl-over-2018-fixture/news-story/cff3725a52067784beed71d71ddf07e8
FORMER Melbourne skipper Garry Lyon is the latest to vent his anger over the bizarre scheduling confirmed yesterday when the AFL released the 2018 Fixture.
Carlton will play four Friday night games next season — the second most in the league. Grand finalists Adelaide and Richmond have five occasions to shine during primetime, as do the Sydney Swans.
Friday nights are normally blockbusters reserved for the best teams in the league, so gifting the Blues — who finished 16th in 2017 — four chances on the big stage is difficult for many to comprehend. That’s especially so when you consider four of the other bottom five teams from last year don’t feature in Friday night footy at all.
Lyon took a swipe at the AFL, saying Carlton supporters will be “embarrassed” their developing side will play under the AFL’s brightest regular season lights so often.
“If you’re a Carlton supporter, you’d be feeling a bit embarrassed about the fact that your side, on the back of a developing year, is going to appear on four of the marquee Friday night games, as well as the season opener,” Lyon told SEN Breakfast.
“It is a staggering situation that has unfolded here. They averaged 10.5 goals last year the Blues, we all think they could potentially get there in maybe two-to-three years time. Only a few years ago they had six Friday night games and they lost by 69, 75, 77, 60, 30 and 138 points.
“They haven’t improved anywhere near enough to be on the big stage on four occasions. It is the massive blue out of this.
“I know it’s hard, I’m not suggesting for a second that it is easy. I know there are permutations and five-day breaks, six-day breaks and marquee games. I know all of that, but you’ve ended up with Carlton on Friday night footy on four occasions, and that isn’t right.”
Hawthorn and Melbourne play one Friday night game each and Lyon said the mixed messaging coming out of AFL headquarters was a blight on the game. He rued the fact AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan has been consistent in telling teams they need to earn the right to play Friday night footy, only to turn around and hand a struggling Blues outfit four marquee matches.
“The CEO of the AFL has consistently told us over the past two-to-three years you must earn the right to play on Friday night,” Lyon said.
“That has been his message and I agree with it. It has been strong. It means my side (Melbourne) hasn’t deserved to play on Friday night for however many years and you’ve got to accept that. You must earn the right.
“Then I heard him come out and say, potentially, they have a good coach and have shown potential Carlton, therefore they’re on Friday night four times.”
Adding to that hypocrisy was AFL general manager of clubs and broadcasting Travis Auld’s reflection on why Richmond was given three Thursday night games in addition to five Friday night clashes after having zero Friday games in 2017.
“We’ve seen it over the last few years where the teams that perform get put into the Thursday/Friday night slots and that changes from year to year,” Travis Auld said.
“So Richmond is the big beneficiary (this year).
“They weren’t exactly rapt when they got dropped off to zero this year ... but the best way to get back into those slots is to start winning.”
Carlton hasn’t been winning much recently, but still finds itself in the prized timeslot.
Auld admitted on Tuesday afternoon four Friday night clashes was too many for the Blues, but said extenuating circumstances had contributed to the scheduling.
“It’s probably one, potentially two, too many but they are early in the season,” he told SEN’s The Run Home.
“Carlton plays those Friday nights in and around the time Richmond, Melbourne, Essendon and Collingwood are playing Anzac Day and Anzac Day eve, so those teams are unavailable for Friday night.
“Therefore it’s fallen Carlton’s way a few times during the period.
“I’m confident they’ll put in a good showing.”
Former St Kilda boss Brian Waldron on Tuesday said Carlton’s four-match gift was “extraordinary”.
Gary does know a thing or two about being embarrassed.
and &^%%*all else about anything of note
and &^%%*all else about anything of note
The only thing of note I remember him saying was of Clarkson.
"I didn't realise Clarko had a military background - he was a sniper".
The only thing of note I remember him saying was of Clarkson.
"I didn't realise Clarko had a military background - he was a sniper".
We have to pay that.
Gary does know a thing or two about being embarrassed.
I heard Lyon on SEN. To be fair, he said he is excited about Carltons future. What his gripe is all about is that the AFL (The Glock) have said in the past that you must earn the right play on Friday nights. Its pretty obvious that a team that finished 16th hasn't earned the right for prime time TV yet we are given 4 games on a Friday. Lyon said this seems contradictory.
I have no idea why you think Lyon whinging about the Dees' fixture is even worth a comment.
See MBB's post.
I still see 4 friday nights as a non genuine argument considering one of them is in round 23 and as likely to stay that way as we are to win the premiership.
See MBB's post.
I still see 4 friday nights as a non genuine argument considering one of them is in round 23 and as likely to stay that way as we are to win the premiership.
I've read his post, and I've also read GTC's post. Whatever Lyon's biases, if we start with the premise that the AFL stated these games are meant to merit based, his stance is fair enough.
How many games was it last year that we hit the lead in during the last quarter before eventually being run over?
Isn't that a prescription for some close games, win or lose!
It seems that many in the media want to ignore the comments of several senior coaches who have pegged Carlton to be a team on the rise. I suspect that is not the news the media sooks want to hear!
I've read his post, and I've also read GTC's post. Whatever Lyon's biases, if we start with the premise that the AFL stated these games are meant to merit based, his stance is fair enough.
We were competitive in almost every match. Only port was one way traffic. The Swans didn't run us over until the second half, and even just after half time it was still tight.
Defending desperately to cling on and minimise the losing margin is fine, but the lay public will be much more interested in watching a game if they think both teams have a reasonable chance of winning
We were competitive in almost every match. Only port was one way traffic. The Swans didn't run us over until the second half, and even just after half time it was still tight.
I know all that.
I know all that.
So what's the criteria then?
Wins?
I thought being competitive was enough?
We were competitive in almost every match. Only port was one way traffic. The Swans didn't run us over until the second half, and even just after half time it was still tight.
You can dress a piece of s h i t real nice, at the end of the day it's still just a piece of s h i t. We finished 16th, we earned squat.
So what's the criteria then?
Wins?
I thought being competitive was enough?
The AFL states that those Friday night slots need to be "earned", which could mean many things. My guess is that it helps to play attractive, high scoring footy, it helps if you're a popular, powerhouse club, it helps if you have marquee players, it helps if you have a recent feel good story, and it helps if you win regularly.
The AFL has already admitted we've been given too many Friday night games, only because of numerous scheduling clashes and complications. I don't really see what the fuss is all about.
The AFL states that those Friday night slots need to be "earned", which could mean many things. My guess is that it helps to play attractive, high scoring footy, it helps if you're a popular, powerhouse club, it helps if you have marquee players, it helps if you have a recent feel good story, and it helps if you win regularly.
The AFL has already admitted we've been given too many Friday night games, only because of numerous scheduling clashes and complications. I don't really see what the fuss is all about.
Just on this "earned" criteria that Lyon reckons The Glock has stated ad nauseam in the past, is it fact? Has The Glock (or anyone else at the AFL) actually stated this or is it made up?
Just on this "earned" criteria that Lyon reckons The Glock has stated ad nauseam in the past, is it fact? Has The Glock (or anyone else at the AFL) actually stated this or is it made up?
I don't know. I find it hard to believe he would stitch up the boss of the AFL, by putting words in his mouth. I guess there's some truth to it.
I still see 4 friday nights as a non genuine argument considering one of them is in round 23
Just to make sure ppl don’t go off and lose any bets, we do have 4 Friday’s before Round 23:
Carlton Friday night games:
Round 3 - Carl vs filth
Round 6 - dogs vs Carl
Round 11 - swans vs Carl
Round 17 - saints vs Carl
Round 23 still TBA.
Surely it's also about putting on the best TV show - some well-performed teams may have earned Friday night games, but the reality is they end up with two-and-a-dog in the crowd which doesn't look great on TV......it's not a good look when the ball goes over the fence and they have to wait for a security guard to return it.....
I seem to remember that Channel 7 were considering inserting a 'virtual' crowd at the Ponsford end for some Melbourne night games because it looked like no-one was there (I'm sure Garry Lyon was in the ground somewhere.....)
Then there's the old Gabba trick of making the seats multi-coloured so you don't realise there's actually no-one there.
AFL is not about performance - it is about show. When you look at the Friday games we have, there will be a decent turn out regardless of how we are travelling. Hopefully this year they will put a decent performance on the park.
Why is the media so hung-up about "earning" a Friday night game. In 3 of the 4 games, we are the away team plus the Thursday night against the Tigers. If we play well and win, they will be good contests. If we get thrashed, the Pies, Bombers, Tigers supporters will happily watch too. It's a win-win.
Just to make sure ppl don’t go off and lose any bets, we do have 4 Friday’s before Round 23:
Carlton Friday night games:
Round 3 - Carl vs filth
Round 6 - dogs vs Carl
Round 11 - swans vs Carl
Round 17 - saints vs Carl
Round 23 still TBA.
If the AFL have a sense of humour they'll put of round 23 clash on Friday as well...lol.
Just to make sure ppl don’t go off and lose any bets, we do have 4 Friday’s before Round 23:
Carlton Friday night games:
Round 3 - Carl vs filth
Round 6 - dogs vs Carl
Round 11 - swans vs Carl
Round 17 - saints vs Carl
Round 23 still TBA.
Egg on my face, I missed round 17.
I couldnt see it anywhere.
Still, we have been nominated as these clubs opponent for a prime time slot, its not our fault we are one of the AFL's biggest supported clubs, and a traditional powerhouse.
I imagine these clubs nominated us thinking they would get an easy win on prime time, in front of a big club.
Egg on my face, I missed round 17.
I couldnt see it anywhere.
Still, we have been nominated as these clubs opponent for a prime time slot, its not our fault we are one of the AFL's biggest supported clubs, and a traditional powerhouse.
I imagine these clubs nominated us thinking they would get an easy win on prime time, in front of a big club.
Some media outlets printed a Round 17 with Richmond playing the Saints on the Friday night, then playing GWS the following day. Mind you, I would have like to have seen that.....
With the saturation of footy (and footy shows) on TV, is Friday as special as it used to be? Personally I think not. Footy on Thur, Frid, Sat, Sun, Mon and they are talking about Wed as well. Friday footy as has lost its gloss for me. On top of that, I hate when my side loses as its on tv for all to see and it farks the whole weekend.