We really need to play 4 quarters for this one. They have not been going well. We need to sit of Fyffe and get this one done! No more excuses!
We really need to play 4 quarters for this one. They have not been going well. We need to sit of Fyffe and get this one done! No more excuses!
It is in Perth On Saturday night. We will probably be on TV, which usually kills us. But we really need to show up after today.
Freo have a banged up team, both key defenders missing(Hamling and Pearce), that has to make it hard for them.Its all down to Fyfe, Mundy and our usual nemesis Walters who will probably come back into the team, maybe Hogan might come back in as well.
We should win given the WC form although Freo are a bit of a problem team even when undermanned...new boy Serong had a day out last game so we might need someone to tag him, looks a quality player. Interesting to see how Cerra has developed too...
Again, like with WC, we have matched up and played well v Freo in Perth. Should win, just depends which Carlton shows up. If the same one as today shows up.
We've got a pretty good team to choose from with matchups all over the ground. But for the life of me i can't work out who we are going to play on #22. He rotates all over the ground and has an influence on almost every contest he is involved in. Might not hit the scoreboard directly, but always features in Goal Assists.
Any ideas?
We've got a pretty good team to choose from with matchups all over the ground. But for the life of me i can't work out who we are going to play on #22. He rotates all over the ground and has an influence on almost every contest he is involved in. Might not hit the scoreboard directly, but always features in Goal Assists.
Any ideas?
Play Pietro Beretta on him.
We've got a pretty good team to choose from with matchups all over the ground. But for the life of me i can't work out who we are going to play on #22. He rotates all over the ground and has an influence on almost every contest he is involved in. Might not hit the scoreboard directly, but always features in Goal Assists.
Any ideas?
Yep look out for the make up free's this week, the ones we don't need that will make the stat sheet look like we have been looked after. We will probably win easy and have plenty of F50 free's in a game where we don't need them...
Did we get one free anywhere that we didn't deserve? Not that I saw. Did WCE infringe where the free kick to us was obvious? Yes, quite a few. Therein, the lesson.
Did we get one free anywhere that we didn't deserve? Not that I saw. Did WCE infringe where the free kick to us was obvious? Yes, quite a few. Therein, the lesson.
A caller into SEN gave Whately 12 time stamps of incidents from the game to look at. Whately did it prior to his show and walked through them. There was one, I think against Shuey but cant recall for sure, that was identical to SPS's one that was given a free to us and should have been a ball up. It wasnt in front of goal but it wasnt a free.
Did we get one free anywhere that we didn't deserve? Not that I saw. Did WCE infringe where the free kick to us was obvious? Yes, quite a few. Therein, the lesson.
The "17 tackles inside F50 and 0 frees versus their 5 and 3" is the most damning stat I have ever read.
The "17 tackles inside F50 and 0 frees versus their 5 and 3" is the most damning stat I have ever read.
Aside from Diesel's 43 possessions and no votes GTC :)
Stage management?
Geez, that photo of Dow on the club website shows some significant improvement in muscle mass, looks really strong and might even be a chance for next week!
Andrew Russell and hub life seems good for some.
We've got a pretty good team to choose from with matchups all over the ground. But for the life of me i can't work out who we are going to play on #22. He rotates all over the ground and has an influence on almost every contest he is involved in. Might not hit the scoreboard directly, but always features in Goal Assists.
Any ideas?
🤣 🤣 🤣 ...yep, he's a real match-winner and impossible to match up on.
Geez, that photo of Dow on the club website shows some significant improvement in muscle mass, looks really strong and might even be a chance for next week!
Andrew Russell and hub life seems good for some.
He'd have to be a monty to replace Martin.
But who to drop if Brackets and H are good to go...??? (Cottrell & TDK both deserve another game but I fear it will be them).
He'd have to be a monty to replace Martin.
But who to drop if Brackets and H are good to go...??? (Cottrell & TDK both deserve another game but I fear it will be them).
Pittonet has done a good job but i'm more inclined to play TDK ahead of him.
Pittonet has done a good job but i'm more inclined to play TDK ahead of him.
I'd play both and leave McGovern out...Freo are small down back with both KP out and have no one to go with Casboult and Harry.
Darcy is the lumbering bullocking type of ruck which probably suits Pittonet, TDK has been injury prone so I'd like to see more runs on the board game wise before we start trusting his body.
Also Pittonet adds that bit of muscle we dont have much of, although he looked very lean next to NicNat....not sure what they feed the WC players but its hard to find a thin body in that lineup even smalls like Ryan are very chunky. We need their fitness guy...
I'd play both and leave McGovern out...Freo are small down back with both KP out and have no one to go with Casboult and Harry.
Darcy is the lumbering bullocking type of ruck which probably suits Pittonet, TDK has been injury prone so I'd like to see more runs on the board game wise before we start trusting his body.
Also Pittonet adds that bit of muscle we dont have much of, although he looked very lean next to NicNat....not sure what they feed the WC players but its hard to find a thin body in that lineup even smalls like Ryan are very chunky. We need their fitness guy...
McGovern won't be ready anyway. Hamstrings are at least 3 weeks.
Geez, that photo of Dow on the club website shows some significant improvement in muscle mass, looks really strong and might even be a chance for next week!
Andrew Russell and hub life seems good for some.
I cant recall the last time I saw anyone with tape on two knees!!
I cant recall the last time I saw anyone with tape on two knees!!
Most of that tape does squat, it's more about offering the player some confidence than having any real function.
For me?
Out Martin, Newnes
In Dow, Honey or Philp
Most of that tape does squat, it's more about offering the player some confidence than having any real function.
I never understood that, tape would drive me nuts and be so restrictive,
I cant recall the last time I saw anyone with tape on two knees!!
Paleface Adios.....nice statue of him in Temora, minus the tape...
I never understood that, tape would drive me nuts and be so restrictive,
Tape is the little brother of the compression (knee) brace.
It might not do a whole lot, but a little is better than nothing at all.
I use a compression brace on my knee when im doing some physical activity i probably shouldn't be doing (Done my ACL, never had surgery - pops out under strain) and i have never done my knee with it on. Yes its restrictive, yes it makes you sweaty, but if it holds it together better than without it, then its a small sacrifice. Knee taping would be the same, albeit a little less helpful (?). If you do it tight enough, its probably better.
I cant recall the last time I saw anyone with tape on two knees!!
Must be for balance ;)
I remember my late uncle -- ripper bloke, was a pastor -- who used to often comment that, "I'm a very well balanced person... I've got a chip both shoulders."
I cant recall the last time I saw anyone with tape on two knees!!
In a Carlton player brad Pearce instantly came to mind...
In a Carlton player brad Pearce instantly came to mind...
Indeed. if Pearce had had two decent knees he would have played 200 games! In the end, he was held together by tape.
Paleface Adios.....nice statue of him in Temora, minus the tape...
I remember him too. I'm getting old..lol.
Need these next two games otherwise the season starts to slip right away. We win them and the season is in our hands, if not it going to be a struggle, maybe too much of one.
It feels good even talking about a season slipping away rather than our season being screwed after 2 rounds and talking the no.1 pick...haha.
I think this is one season where you can just focus on the little things and forget the big picture, the dynamic and dramatic swings we see in games is direct evidence even the players are treating it like a pre-season!
Just focus on the little things, because nobody but the winner is going to take this season with any seriousness!
I think this is one season where you can just focus on the little things and forget the big picture, the dynamic and dramatic swings we see in games is direct evidence even the players are treating it like a pre-season!
Just focus on the little things, because nobody but the winner is going to take this season with any seriousness!
You can't even train much to practice halting the swings with so many games on. Even then you can't often use your full squad. Do alot for development though if they have to play under pressure for a finals spot each week even if they miss out. Making it doesn't matter that much but fighting each weeks to stay in contention will help.
Why train to practice halting the swings, when you have real life match simulation in which to do it?
Its not like it hasnt happened every week this season.
What I am really struggling with though, is how are you supposed to arrest a match swing, when you have a passage of play that allows a ball up on the wing, to have an opposition mid like Yeo take it out of the ruck (no bounce) kick it into forward 50 where ball comes to ground in a contest. liam Ryan picks it up, is tackled and he spills the ball in that tackle (no incorrect disposal and should have been a holding the ball decision anyway) in the subsequent ball spilling, Simpson is unable to paddle it out to advantage, Sheed(or was it waterman?) is able to kick it short to Kennedy who goes back and converts?
What is a team supposed to do there to stop that passage of play unfolding? Go contest the ruck illegally? Or are they supposed to pick up the ball cleaner than anyone else?
For arguments sake, this was when the score read 41 to 28 in our favour. That goal reduced our lead to 7 points. The next one was the SPS holding the ball decision from memory to put them back to a 1 point difference.
HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL. Being better is not an adequate response.
I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap. I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.
Why train to practice halting the swings, when you have real life match simulation in which to do it?
Its not like it hasnt happened every week this season.
What I am really struggling with though, is how are you supposed to arrest a match swing, when you have a passage of play that allows a ball up on the wing, to have an opposition mid like Yeo take it out of the ruck (no bounce) kick it into forward 50 where ball comes to ground in a contest. liam Ryan picks it up, is tackled and he spills the ball in that tackle (no incorrect disposal and should have been a holding the ball decision anyway) in the subsequent ball spilling, Simpson is unable to paddle it out to advantage, Sheed(or was it waterman?) is able to kick it short to Kennedy who goes back and converts?
What is a team supposed to do there to stop that passage of play unfolding? Go contest the ruck illegally? Or are they supposed to pick up the ball cleaner than anyone else?
For arguments sake, this was when the score read 41 to 28 in our favour. That goal reduced our lead to 7 points. The next one was the SPS holding the ball decision from memory to put them back to a 1 point difference.
HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL. Being better is not an adequate response.
I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap. I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.
Unfortunately you do have to practice time and again so it becomes 2nd nature under pressure. You won't get that come match day where you have to suddenly learn it under extreme pressure. That's going to be a pre-season thing to establish it properly. It's like any sport, practice makes perfect.
I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap. I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.
Thank-you for posting the Yeo bit, I thought I was dreaming and that surely that didn't happen!
There were only two possible options in that situation, and both of them should have been a free kick to Carlton.
Okay BlueBaggers, it's time we inflicted pain on an opponent, scoreboard pain. Bring it on.
HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL.
I have not watched a full game on TV for probably close to 20 years now.
Love the club (member), love the game but cannot stand the way umpires ruin it with grand standing free kicks that influence games.
TV's are expensive and I like my blood pressure level.
I have been saying the same stuff for years about how we are reemed by the maggots.
I don't mind them umpiring sh$t but keep it the same for both teams ALL the time.
The lopsided way we are treated and the way we have taken it sucks.
I don't mind watching SANFL games, the umps call it as you see it. They have less influence on the game as they do in the AFL.
I used to get really worked up about the bias of umps but I am used to it and expect it now.
If we win then we have just beaten two teams.
I don't mind them umpiring sh$t but keep it the same for both teams ALL the time.
This is really the crux of the matter, it's not the bad decisions.
It's the variable way three umpires implement the same rules on the day because they are working on subjective interpretations rather than literal implementations!
The worst case last weekend was probably the non-decision relating to Kelly, picks up the pill inside his own F50, runs a few steps and is tackled dropping it cold, play on goal Wet Toast. The umpire is in shot, in fact the camera films the whole event almost over the umpires shoulder with the umpire looking towards the play.
Contrast that with SPS, and fans should be burning AFL House down!
Worse still, the way one umpire delivers a pedantic momentum changing decision in the 1st quarter of the game, then does something completely different or nothing in the last 5 minutes of the game that did or could have changed the outcome!
Gee I hope Walters doesn’t return this week. Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Brayshaw will be stronger then what we have in there.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie get some midfield minutes - he is a smart user and brings others into the game if he is not touching it much near goal not sure what we lose by giving him some time on the ball.
This will be another game that will be won and lost in the middle imo and Walters playing or not playing could sway the result imo.
freo have won there last 2 games ,so might work in our fav
Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.
Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.
Not if you remove prior op. ;)
Except for a couple of Hawks junk time goals near the end, they were taken apart by Freo during the rest of the game. It could be because Freo played at home, but they were impressive.
We will need to play out the whole game and can't afford yet another brain fade if we are to have any chance of winning.
I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.
B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C: DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien
IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy
Gee I hope Walters doesn’t return this week. Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Brayshaw will be stronger then what we have in there.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie get some midfield minutes - he is a smart user and brings others into the game if he is not touching it much near goal not sure what we lose by giving him some time on the ball.
This will be another game that will be won and lost in the middle imo and Walters playing or not playing could sway the result imo.
Agree..Walters is a bogeyman and we dont really have a matchup down back for him.....hope we man Fyfe and dont let him just play off Cripps that never seems to work vs Freo and Fyfe always is a good player. Setterfield for Mundy, I'd tag Fyfe with Curnow, tough gig given Fyfe is a bigger unit but Ed is the fittest and best bet IMO.
I wouldnt play both Dow and Obrien either, I'd just pick the one if we go that way....
I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.
B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C: DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien
IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy
smart changes? Lose 2 of our best runners? 1 might be forced.
FYI, McGovern would be an 'in', as would Harry.
Outs would have to include Cottrell and Newnes
So you've matched their speed by making our team slower and less mobile overall.
Smart.
Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.
Yes, it's pretty clear, the problem is using interpretations rather than literally umpiring the rules.
While I agree dropping the pill isn't a rule, it's clear professionally dropping the pill is a trend, in my opinion if you drop the pill it's incorrect disposal and as far as I know there are only two ways to legally dispose of the ball. Having it ripped out of your arms by a team-mate was sometimes penalised years ago, now it's a free for all football pass the parcel to the nearest team-mate. I'd have no problem if only opposition were allowed to dispossess the ball carrier by stripping the footy. But to counter that effect if a 3rd or 4th person joins in the tackle, the gang tackling should be penalised for holding the man even if your own team-mate has the footy. Having a team-mate hold the footy to your chest shouldn't be a defence for failing to dispose of the ball. End of gang tackling, over and done!
I've never understood why the AFL bows down to belligerent coaches that bitch and moan about how unfair the game is to their players. They always have some tactical advantage hidden behind their agenda for their own team, and yet the AFL keeps fudging the rules based on the bitching and moaning coaches.
btw., This isn't the same as the SPS or Kelly events, which is a case of obvious rules either not being implemented or totally ignored.
To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?
Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring. Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.
To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?
Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring. Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.
Indeed. They really do whinge. Almost everyone in the side goes the Umps and asks why they didn't get it.
Why do you think SPS copped a 50 metre penalty against?
Im sure we all asked for an explanation on how that was holding the ball, and the result was a 50 metre penalty.
To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?
Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring. Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.
There was some article/interview with Teague recently in which he said he wants our players to play with the right intentions.
He doesn't want our players mocking the opposition, or whinging or any of that. He wants us winning by playing like gentlemen essentially.
Its a terrific idea.....but i'm not sure its effective.
Prettu sure most teams that have won flags either physically, or mentally demolish their opponents.....or both.
Are we attempting to fight with 1 arm tied behind our backs?
50m Penalty can also be given for demeanor I believe, you dont actually have to use bad language, so the tone of your enquiry
can see you with a penalty. Once again interpretation/grey areas and that means inconsistency....
On another matter...How does Dusty get away with belting blokes every week, gets reported and gets off with a silly fine..the whole system needs an overhaul especially the MR/tribunal stuff.
There was some article/interview with Teague recently in which he said he wants our players to play with the right intentions.
He doesn't want our players mocking the opposition, or whinging or any of that. He wants us winning by playing like gentlemen essentially.
Its a terrific idea.....but i'm not sure its effective.
Prettu sure most teams that have won flags either physically, or mentally demolish their opponents.....or both.
Are we attempting to fight with 1 arm tied behind our backs?
Gee I hope that isn't true. Firstly, it makes you an easy target for the opposition and secondly, poor umpiring. 'We can do anything to this Carlton mob and they won't complain'.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
There was some article/interview with Teague recently in which he said he wants our players to play with the right intentions.
He doesn't want our players mocking the opposition, or whinging or any of that. He wants us winning by playing like gentlemen essentially.
Its a terrific idea.....but i'm not sure its effective.
Prettu sure most teams that have won flags either physically, or mentally demolish their opponents.....or both.
Are we attempting to fight with 1 arm tied behind our backs?
Nice guys always finish last
I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.
B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C: DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien
IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy
Who else did you drop to get Cunningam in. He didn't play last week.
Bet Murphy is playing.
Who else did you drop to get Cunningam in. He didn't play last week.
Bet Murphy is playing.
If
@LordLucifer rests Cripps from that side it would be the one I'd play against the Crows, give them a hollow victory with nothing to Crow about no matter how it is achieved, and give us a huge boost if by chance we cause an upset!
50m Penalty can also be given for demeanor I believe, you dont actually have to use bad language, so the tone of your enquiry
can see you with a penalty. Once again interpretation/grey areas and that means inconsistency....
On another matter...How does Dusty get away with belting blokes every week, gets reported and gets off with a silly fine..the whole system needs an overhaul especially the MR/tribunal stuff.
I believe the umpire refer to that as being "Demonstrative".
I believe the umpire refer to that as being "Demonstrative".
what Im saying is that being domonstrative and wearing a Carlton jumper and wearing a West Coast jumper are two different things.
Dont believe me? Watch the holding the ball decisions, and complete lack of regard the flaunting of the rules our opposition are getting away with every week, whilst we infringe for breathing on an opponent.
50m Penalty can also be given for demeanor I believe, you dont actually have to use bad language, so the tone of your enquiry
can see you with a penalty. Once again interpretation/grey areas and that means inconsistency....
On another matter...How does Dusty get away with belting blokes every week, gets reported and gets off with a silly fine..the whole system needs an overhaul especially the MR/tribunal stuff.
A dickhead in authority often demands an inappropriate level of respect that dickheads are just not worthy of. Just makes them look like an even bigger dickhead.
Why do you think SPS copped a 50 metre penalty against?
Im sure we all asked for an explanation on how that was holding the ball, and the result was a 50 metre penalty.
I didn't mean it like that. Samo definitely turned around with a scowl of his face and said something - probably similar to what I said in my seat, what the f*** was that for!?
I mean the constant 4-5 players around the ball, throwing their arms up and talking at the umpire after every whistle. I hate it, its a crap look, but it makes me wonder if it does change the umpires' course. They''re only human, if you had 5 people yelling at you every time you did something, it would effect you. Of course it shouldn't, their professionals, just what I witness. It's similar to how when Simo tackles he immediately puts his arm up for HTB, that annoys me too - play hard, don't worry about the whistle!
Gee I hope that isn't true. Firstly, it makes you an easy target for the opposition and secondly, poor umpiring. 'We can do anything to this Carlton mob and they won't complain'.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-coach-david-teague-says-high-draft-picks-must-earn-games-with-paddy-dow-lochie-obrien-stuck-in-reserves/news-story/38dd01ee2c55be0c2b88dc3b4b5893b6
Try clicking that.
I don't have access, but thats the story.
Can't recall where i read it though
Actually Eddie half-heartedly questions too - but besides from them, it's pretty rare to see an 'all team in' whinge that WC and Hawks do.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-coach-david-teague-says-high-draft-picks-must-earn-games-with-paddy-dow-lochie-obrien-stuck-in-reserves/news-story/38dd01ee2c55be0c2b88dc3b4b5893b6
Try clicking that.
I don't have access, but thats the story.
Can't recall where i read it though
I posted the full article yesterday in List Management Reply #221
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4869.210
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-coach-david-teague-says-high-draft-picks-must-earn-games-with-paddy-dow-lochie-obrien-stuck-in-reserves/news-story/38dd01ee2c55be0c2b88dc3b4b5893b6
Try clicking that.
I don't have access, but thats the story.
Can't recall where i read it though
@kruddler Not sure if that is the article, but on the subject I felt part of Teague's motivation was about having players that enjoy playing football, through not being mired in negativity 100% of the time. So the pressure is released, and it perhaps makes us a more attractive destination as a club.
I posted the full article yesterday in List Management Reply #221
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4869.210
Thanks.
FWIW...this is the part i was referring too.
Although there is no direct quotes...
It comes as the Herald Sun confirmed that coach Teague had instructed his players to play in the spirit of the game this year as rival players are criticised for “taunting” across the league.
Teague has made it clear to members of his side he wants them to play with respect and not to engage in ruffling the hair of rivals, attacking them physically or mocking them when they miss goals.
Those shows of bravado have become commonplace across the league, with calls for an anti-taunting code, but Teague is intent on his players focusing on the game rather than getting sucked into silly byplay with rivals.
smart changes? Lose 2 of our best runners? 1 might be forced.
FYI, McGovern would be an 'in', as would Harry.
Outs would have to include Cottrell and Newnes
So you've matched their speed by making our team slower and less mobile overall.
Smart.
Cottrell looked like he wasn't able to pick up the pace of the game yet and Newnes has been getting selected on the basis of kicking a goal or two each week and doing feck all else. Murphy keeps making skill errors that a senior player shouldn't and at crucial times too.
Who are these "best runners" you refer to ??
Running around the ground for miles but not touching the aggot is not something to reward.
If @LordLucifer rests Cripps from that side it would be the one I'd play against the Crows, give them a hollow victory with nothing to Crow about no matter how it is achieved, and give us a huge boost if by chance we cause an upset!
Not advocating Cripps being rested even though he isn't anywhere near his best right now.
Cottrell looked like he wasn't able to pick up the pace of the game yet and Newnes has been getting selected on the basis of kicking a goal or two each week and doing feck all else. Murphy keeps making skill errors that a senior player shouldn't and at crucial times too.
Who are these "best runners" you refer to ??
Running around the ground for miles but not touching the aggot is not something to reward.
Best runners are players like Murphy and Cottrell.
Cottrell is the only bloke who can beat a curnow in the time trials.
Murphy, for all his supposed flaws, still gut runs with the best of them.
As for not touching the aggot.....Murphy had 23 touches 3 more than any other Carlton player, and 4 more than untouchable Paddy Cripps. Only 1 player on the ground had more and that was Sheed.
Gut running + ball winning ability = Murphy......and you dropped him....and that was a 'smart move' to improve our running. :o
EDIT:
BTW, Newnes had just over 300m gained last week. 5m short of Kennedy (carltons best in this area last week). So you're dropping another one of our best runners. Smart.
For the record, the bloke who couldn;t get the pill, Cottrell, still had more meters gained than 18 other blokes wearing the same colour jumper. Again, including our untouchable captain. Smart.
Murphy was poor. We will go no where while he is still around.
Kade Simpson's numbers are well down this year but he is playing better.
Murphy was poor. We will go no where while he is still around.
Kade Simpson's numbers are well down this year but he is playing better.
Murphy is having quite a good season, not getting so much footy but using it very well compared to most, he is probably Top 5 B&F!
Simmo is getting heaps of footy, but is burning a lot of it!
Murphy was poor. We will go no where while he is still around.
How many 33yo's are playing better than him?
How many 33yo's are playing better than him?
Boak, Selwood and Pendlebury all around 32...our own Simpson ,but thats not the issue, its what is Murphy providing us and is he keeping a younger player with more upside out of the team or is he providing leadership and winning his position each week?
IMO Murphy and Simpson need to retire along with Kreuzer and should sit the remaining games out and then play the last vs Brisbane..
Boak, Selwood and Pendlebury all around 32...our own Simpson ,but thats not the issue, its what is Murphy providing us and is he keeping a younger player with more upside out of the team or is he providing leadership and winning his position each week?
IMO Murphy and Simpson need to retire along with Kreuzer and should sit the remaining games out and then play the last vs Brisbane..
32 is not 33.
For a 33 year old, he is performing better than most of our 23yo's.
Last time we force-retired some of the clubs eldest players it led to our first ever wooden spoon.
Lets not make the same mistake again thanks.
Honey will be making his debut.
Full teams not out yet.
32 is not 33.
For a 33 year old, he is performing better than most of our 23yo's.
Last time we force-retired some of the clubs eldest players it led to our first ever wooden spoon.
Lets not make the same mistake again thanks.
I'll give you Boak a full year younger but the other two are 6 months difference only and have also played more games which equates to over a season so they would be more worn given the extra work.
You didnt answer my question on what Murphy is providing us vs the cost of keeping a younger player out of the team and sacrificing development? We are still two seasons off playing decent winning finals IMO why keep old tired legs?
Honey will be making his debut.
Full teams not out yet.
I think the lad deserves a go. he has been good in the 2's.
I'll give you Boak a full year younger but the other two are 6 months difference only and have also played more games which equates to over a season so they would be more worn given the extra work.
You didnt answer my question on what Murphy is providing us vs the cost of keeping a younger player out of the team and sacrificing development? We are still two seasons off playing decent winning finals IMO why keep old tired legs?
Who is he keeping out? The blokes that Bolton was playing? How was that working out for us?
Perhaps what Murphy, and other elder players, offer the team more than what your average supporter realises. ;)
Who is he keeping out? The blokes that Bolton was playing? How was that working out for us?
Perhaps what Murphy, and other elder players, offer the team more than what your average supporter realises. ;)
If thats true then our depth is very very average and we have more problems than we realize as none of those players will be in our next major finals assault..
If thats true then our depth is very very average and we have more problems than we realize as none of those players will be in our next major finals assault..
Michael Walters
IN
Harry McKay,
Josh Honey
Travis Colyer (Injured)
OUT
Jack Martin (Injured),
Marc Pittonet (Injured)
-
NEW
Josh Honey
Boak, Selwood and Pendlebury all around 32...our own Simpson ,but thats not the issue, its what is Murphy providing us and is he keeping a younger player with more upside out of the team or is he providing leadership and winning his position each week?
IMO Murphy and Simpson need to retire along with Kreuzer and should sit the remaining games out and then play the last vs Brisbane..
Need to keep playing our best side. Win tomorrow and we're just a game out of the 8. Let's others earn their spots now.
If thats true then our depth is very very average and we have more problems than we realize as none of those players will be in our next major finals assault..
Well you tell me. You said Murphy is keeping someone out of the side. Who?
Who will be better in the 22 than Murphy?
As for our depth....
McKay
Curnow
McGovern
J. Silvagni
Kreuzer
N. Newman
Cuningham
All unavailable for selection last match. All would be picked by most to be in our best 22.
On top of that, fringe players like Marchbank and Dow are coming back from injury and have not been deemed match fit yet. Neither has Kemp who we recruited injured.
Along with the 22 that played last week. That is 32 players from our list. There is only a 46 players on our list, so how many of the 14 players not in either list are good enough to keep Murphy out of the side?
We've given at least 1 game to
Moore
Lang
Philp
None of them are the answer.
Honey gets a game this week.
Who is left?
Macreadie
Polson
Stocker
Obrien
Owies
Goddard
Ramsay
Phillips
Odwyer
B. Silvagni
Which of those 10 offers the side more than Murphy?
Name any of them....i dare ya.
Michael Walters
IN
Harry McKay,
Josh Honey
Travis Colyer (Injured)
OUT
Jack Martin (Injured),
Marc Pittonet (Injured)
-
NEW
Josh Honey
Beware a Carlton debutant who shows form in the 2's.
Well you tell me. You said Murphy is keeping someone out of the side. Who?
Who will be better in the 22 than Murphy?
As for our depth....
McKay
Curnow
McGovern
J. Silvagni
Kreuzer
N. Newman
Cuningham
All unavailable for selection last match. All would be picked by most to be in our best 22.
On top of that, fringe players like Marchbank and Dow are coming back from injury and have not been deemed match fit yet. Neither has Kemp who we recruited injured.
Along with the 22 that played last week. That is 32 players from our list. There is only a 46 players on our list, so how many of the 14 players not in either list are good enough to keep Murphy out of the side?
We've given at least 1 game to
Moore
Lang
Philp
None of them are the answer.
Honey gets a game this week.
Who is left?
Macreadie
Polson
Stocker
Obrien
Owies
Goddard
Ramsay
Phillips
Odwyer
B. Silvagni
Which of those 10 offers the side more than Murphy?
Name any of them....i dare ya.
Its not about this season, we wont be playing finals IMO and I would have played Dow, Philp, Obrien ahead of Murphy and if Stocker was fit/available ahead of Simpson....
This is the season where you can experiment and not kill the coach, next season is when we want our best team on the park each week.
Its not about this season, we wont be playing finals IMO and I would have played Dow, Philp, Obrien ahead of Murphy and if Stocker was fit/available ahead of Simpson....
This is the season where you can experiment and not kill the coach, next season is when we want our best team on the park each week.
Whether we do or not when you're in with a shot you have to go all out for it. The best development we can have is to be playing under pressure each week for a possible finals spot even if we miss out. Play it out to the end. And even better for development if we were to make it (I think we might narrowly miss with an 8-9 record and rue the Melbourne and Port losses). All those players have played games so there's no need to blood them, they can earn their spots. It's not like other years now.
Its not about this season, we wont be playing finals IMO and I would have played Dow, Philp, Obrien ahead of Murphy and if Stocker was fit/available ahead of Simpson....
This is the season where you can experiment and not kill the coach, next season is when we want our best team on the park each week.
....and then we are back where we were last year, playing kids, not winning and killing morale.
You've learned nothing.
Breed a winning culture and let kids develop in their own time.
I like the changes, however I would have been tempted to play Dow instead of SPS until he shows some fight.
I like the changes, however I would have been tempted to play Dow instead of SPS until he shows some fight.
I reckon Dow will be an in next game.
Still trying to find fitness.
Whether we do or not when you're in with a shot you have to go all out for it. The best development we can have is to be playing under pressure each week for a possible finals spot even if we miss out. Play it out to the end. And even better for development if we were to make it (I think we might narrowly miss with an 8-9 record and rue the Melbourne and Port losses). All those players have played games so there's no need to blood them, they can earn their spots. It's not like other years now.
Whilst I agree in theory, the reality is when you've won 4 of 10, winning 6 of the next 7 is extremely unlikely. Those close loses and big turn arounds have cost us the chance Im affraid.
Whilst I agree in theory, the reality is when you've won 4 of 10, winning 6 of the next 7 is extremely unlikely. Those close loses and big turn arounds have cost us the chance Im affraid.
Better to finish the season with optimism then fall further down the ladder so some kids can get some participation medals.
....and then we are back where we were last year, playing kids, not winning and killing morale.
You've learned nothing.
Breed a winning culture and let kids develop in their own time.
Murphy hasn't been breeding a winning culture now or in previous seasons, I'll refer you to Spanner for further details why...
Port have played their kids and prospered...
How many 33yo's are playing better than him?
I don't care about his age. His form dropped off a cliff at 25.
I don't care about his age. His form dropped off a cliff at 25.
When you are deemed as one of the best in the comp....the only way is down.
Fact remains, nobody is coming close to pushing him out of the side.
Murphy hasn't been breeding a winning culture now or in previous seasons, I'll refer you to Spanner for further details why...
Port have played their kids and prospered...
What kind of comment is that? Who has??
Sack the whole team?
...and using spanner to back your argument up is akin to waiving the white flag.
What kind of comment is that? Who has??
Sack the whole team?
...and using spanner to back your argument up is akin to waiving the white flag.
You associated Murphy with breeding a winning culture as a reason to keep him. You dug a hole for yourself and fell in....
We did sack the whole team, they called it a list rebuild, this bloke called SOS was involved.Just missed on a few players, wonder who they could be...
You associated Murphy with breeding a winning culture as a reason to keep him. You dug a hole for yourself and fell in....
We did sack the whole team, they called it a list rebuild, this bloke called SOS was involved.Just missed on a few players, wonder who they could be...
No i associated winning as breeding a winning culture.
Murphy helps us win more than say Polson does.
Its not rocket science mate.
Walters in is a massive blow to our chances imo.
They couldn’t have kept him out for one more week 🤦🏻♂️
Why do we always seem to be the team that opposition teams make sure their ‘injured’ players return in.
craps me.
Cottrell looked like he wasn't able to pick up the pace of the game yet and Newnes has been getting selected on the basis of kicking a goal or two each week and doing feck all else. Murphy keeps making skill errors that a senior player shouldn't and at crucial times too.
Who are these "best runners" you refer to ??
Running around the ground for miles but not touching the aggot is not something to reward.
Yes, Cottrell looked shell shocked at first but I thought that he adjusted to the tempo and pressure quite well as the game went on. He did some nice things - defensively and offensively - in the second half.
I would have been very disappointed if he wasn’t given an opportunity to build on his first game.
I thought Cottrell showed a few very promising signs when he settled down. Good prospect imo.
I thought Cottrell showed a few very promising signs when he settled down. Good prospect imo.
Didnt mind his debut, bit of a young Robbo look about him and I like players who attack the ball well. Skills are ok too,just need to be careful we don't over do the negative type taggers and have enough game winners..
Didnt mind his debut, bit of a young Robbo look about him and I like players who attack the ball well. Skills are ok too,just need to be careful we don't over do the negative type taggers and have enough game winners..
Let Cottrel learn from Ed Curnow. He'll inherit his role when Ed retires.
Has the tank to go with anyone.
Has the willingness to get his hands dirty.
Has the hunger to do the team things.
Ed v2.0
Let Cottrel learn from Ed Curnow. He'll inherit his role when Ed retires.
Has the tank to go with anyone.
Has the willingness to get his hands dirty.
Has the hunger to do the team things.
Ed v2.0
yep. Got more leg speed (spurt speed) than Ed by some margin.
Looks like we have given up on finals. Blooding youth, looking at the list. Petrovski-Seton, Kennedy, De Konning, Walsh, Weitering, Fisher, Cottrell, Williamson, Setterfield, Honey, McKay and Gibbons have all come into the AFL system via the draft after 2015. Really need the senior players to stand up today. Give leadership and make everything a contest. Must win these games otherwise it is just another wasted season of re-building.
Really need the senior players to stand up today. Give leadership and make everything a contest. Must win these games otherwise it is just another wasted season of re-building.
I don't think this season is wasted at all, there is a significant different feel to our 2020 build.
I'd rather give the senior players a day off than have them pummel themselves for a nothing game in a nothing season!
I suppose from an MC perspective it depends on what the end of season list management situation looks like, if the oldies are going on, staying or leaving!
Cottrell on Walters, anyone think this might be an option?
Nothing better than to have a young aerobic kid force a fragile oldie (one who may well be returning too soon) into a soft tissue injury from trying to shake off a kid he can't shake of like he did in the old days.
Not that I'm a bastard or anything like that!
Cottrell is quite brave, and agile, Walters won't easily lose him in traffic and Walters' team-mates won't intimidate Cottrell. But of course you'd expect Walters to have an edge if he gets goal side of Cottrell one out, but that is probably true of many!
Walters is probably quicker, but he'll have to run hard all the time to get separation on Cottrell, and that'll take some of the sting out of Walters legs!
Cottrell on Walters, anyone think this might be an option?
Nothing better than to have a young aerobic kid force a fragile oldie (one who may well be returning too soon) into a soft tissue injury from trying to shake off a kid he can't shake of like he did in the old days.
Not that I'm a bastard or anything like that!
I would give him at least some time on him. Good for his development! 😎
I would give him at least some time on him. Good for his development! 😎
Sorry, was still refining my comments! :o
Sorry, was still refining my comments! :o
You know there is the 'preview' option right?
The amount of times you get 'caught out' re-writing your posts, i suggest you start using it. ;)
You know there is the 'preview' option right?
The amount of times you get 'caught out' re-writing your posts, i suggest you start using it. ;)
The edit time is there for all to see so I've nothing to hide relative to posting time-frames, and post is as good as of save / snapshot mechanism as these sites can offer.
Often I'm correcting formatting that seems to frequently go awry when a message gets posted, it is a problem on the site that doesn't show on the Preview.
If on the other hand you're paranoid about people altering correcting, revising or clarifying posts after you post your comments you can always use https://archive.org/web/ to capture a snapshot of the relevant URL, for all eternity!
Reserves must have done reasonably well against Freo, I see we had 14 goals from 6 players.
Cottrell on Walters, anyone think this might be an option?
Nothing better than to have a young aerobic kid force a fragile oldie (one who may well be returning too soon) into a soft tissue injury from trying to shake off a kid he can't shake of like he did in the old days.
Not that I'm a bastard or anything like that!
Cottrell is quite brave, and agile, Walters won't easily lose him in traffic and Walters' team-mates won't intimidate Cottrell. But of course you'd expect Walters to have an edge if he gets goal side of Cottrell one out, but that is probably true of many!
Walters is probably quicker, but he'll have to run hard all the time to get separation on Cottrell, and that'll take some of the sting out of Walters legs!
Walters is a real dangerous player and a different type to Gaff who is your traditional winger, Walters is quicker, probably stronger in the air and extremely clever with the ball...a quarter of him being on could be the game. There is experience to be had for sure but if we want to win the game its a high risk strategy.
Walters in is a massive blow to our chances imo.
They couldn’t have kept him out for one more week 🤦🏻♂️
Why do we always seem to be the team that opposition teams make sure their ‘injured’ players return in.
craps me.
My sentiments exactly. Not sure who will match up on him.
We're missing SOJ, who I thought was outstanding v Fyfe last year. If Ed runs with him, what of their other good mids?
Likely to be wet, not sure who that helps. I'd really like to see us win this. Not at the final siren either - please 🙏