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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Lods -
Right now, i'd drop Young for Cincotta. Give Kemp the lockdown role and allow Cincotta to cover the intercept role, which adds more run.

When the game starts getting wetter, you'd think about dropping one more tall. We'll wait and see who is out of form at the time.
The decision is made easier right now because we don't have Silvagni available, or any other option for 3rd tall.

There was never any doubt about their 'styles of ruck' or that they compliment eachother. The issue was they they were both doing not very much around the ground.....at all.
TDK was lacking in ruck area, and performing worse than Silvagni as a forward......but better than Pittonet as a non-ruck option.
Pittonet was performing better in the ruck, but not doing enough around the ground.

BOTH of them are not only performing better around the ground, but both are being genuine options around the ground and up forward.
Pittonet kicked a goal first game back. TDK kicked 3 last week, and 0.3 this week. I showed stats on pittonets ruck AND around the ground work and how it was the same or better than both rucks combined....and even 2 mids combined in clearances.
That kind of form from both of them was nowhere to be seen last year. THAT is what has changed......and thankfully its changed when the cupboard is very bare behind them.

However,
Once we start getting players back, if you want to play both rucks in your 22, you are leaving out someone like Kennedy, Cottrell, Hollands (x2), Williams.....etc.


That would be sad (the bit in bold) but maybe necessary…because right now both Rucks offer more than most (if not all) of those mentioned in terms of game influence. The other thing is that it assumes all those players are in form and uninjured. If we only need to lose one to play the two rucks it probably won’t be an issue.
The important thing is both our Ruckman continue to stay healthy and maintain a degree of form. They will no doubt have a poor game here or there, but it would probably need to be a patch of multiple poor games before one loses their spot. DeKoning is still improving, and time together can only develop the combination and understanding with Pittonet

Wet weather during winter may be an issue and it may be a time when the one ruck option is looked at. But it won’t rain all winter, and games at Marvel are a ‘non-issue’ as will be most of the interstate games.

There’s a bit of a contradiction in your post. A lot of it is about the ‘future’ and what might happen, yet the judgements made on the two-ruck situation were made in the ‘present of 2023’ when there were aspects of both players not up to scratch, and both struggled a bit with injury at stages during the season.
Judging in the present is also one of the issues with statistics. They are a measure of the past, (even last weekend’s statistics). A string of good games by a player and those early season statistics can alter dramatically.

We don’t know what will happen in the games to come and a whole lot of variables will come into play. The team we’re playing at ‘present’ may be completely different to the side that takes the field at the end of the year. We may get players back… and/or (perish the thought) we may lose important players. There’s not a lot of point predicting a line-up with a full side to choose from, because that’s a pretty unlikely scenario.

If we do have a full side to choose from, they might as well just give us the cup.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Blue Moon -
Watched the Video. Geelong are a good team that played very well. Their best player played very well. They have very few injuries. We butchered the ball in defence and going forward and we missed too many easy goals while they kicked just about everything. After quarter time they broke even in the middle and they were cleaner all day with the ball. They tackled hard and bullied our younger players, but not unfairly. They are well organized, disciplined and know how to win. We didn't give up. In the end we could have won.
While our injuries are a major concern and has destabilized our back line, we make too many mistakes. I think defensively we are getting drawn to the ball but not impacting on the contest and when the ball spills to the opposition they have players free out the back which leads to easy goals against us. We either need to impact the contest or have players structured back to prevent these out breaks.
The umpiring was appalling. They made wrong decisions that led to Geelong having extra chances which they often took. I think Williams got hit in the eye which is why he went down and whether he went down a bit easy or not, it was another free kick to us the umpires missed which resulted in a goal. I note the Match Review Committee found the incident warranted a fine for the Geelong player. Maybe the Fox commentators might admit they may have got it wrong, but I don't expect it.
I watched On The Water Front the other day. Carlton has to decide whether they want to be contenders or not. We need to get tougher in our heads. Too many missed opportunities. We need to get better.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Thryleon -
We actually played into geelongs tactics. 

They rebound, we see a half back leave his man to pressure the ball carrier.  Separation about 40 metres, so in effect the "presssure" is non existant and then its a short kixck to a team mate whos now free.

This hekps teams go coast to coast a lot against us, and i think that players need to pick their moments better on when to stay on their man or leave to pressure the ball carrier.

A long kick to a contest or making them run it, is more desirable.   Leave your man later when you can get back or theyve run into trouble.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by rocky -
Watched the replay. Sure we missed way too many opportunities against a good team to have any chance of winning and yes there were some dubious decisions/non-decisions that conspired against us, but at the end of the day we are better than this team and to be truly taken seriously as a contender we have to start winning these games.
If Saad was fit I'd give Williams a rest. His 1st half yesterday was putrid.
McGovern for Young is a no-brainer
Motlop in can replace either of Durdin or Owies who are just not giving us enough. Hell I'd even give Boyd a crack as a small forward ahead of those two.
Ollie Hollands is not doing a lot at the moment. Gee we need Jack Martin back ASAP
There's a lot of blokes who can improve our side and I hope at some stage this year we get them back.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.
Knowing our luck there would be a crackdown and one of our blokes would be made an example of and get a long holiday...interesting the Henry hit has been deemed low impact , intentional and body contact yet Zac was holding his head?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by madbluboy -
Watched it a few times on video and there appears to be high contact of sorts but ZW also appears to have exaggerated the force of the contact and the umpires ignored it due to the extra mayo he applied.
It probably should have been a free but you cant expect to get those all the time either and he should have played through the contact and not let Geelong(Henry) have a zero contest situation.
The umpires were terrible overall imo and let play go especially holding the ball/man situations and you just have to be able to read the game and how its being umpired and know that it was unlikely they would make that call as high contact imho and not gamble they might.
Saying all that I have just read Henry has been charged with striking Zac Williams which I presume was the same incident so the MRO has deemed the contact severe enough and should have been a free kick to our man ....more to play out in this saga and you were justified in calling for the AFL to adjudicate on the decision.

We need to start striking blokes softly off the ball. The fines are worth it if you can get a few goals out of it.