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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by northernblue -
Charles has become something of a (considerable) impact player. Very little for 100 minutes + 15-20 minutes of freaky stuff. Aint enough. Like others I've noticed that with aggot in hand up the field he is deadly with his inside 50 disposal. More please. And if he's playing injured, how come and what is it? Maybe his knee issues are such that there are just things he can no longer do? Are we nursing him through games? Yep, this is what happens when we don't know... speculation sets in.

I’m sure in an interview early this year Charlie said he’s on a modified program because of his knees, it sounded like he doesn’t get encouraged to do more than light running.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Baggers -
Its not panic stations yet but we need to beat the Colls, the Geels, etc. Right now with Freo beating Rich, we are sitting 8th.

8th place, with the 8th best % (which is low for a side with top 4 aspirations). Sharp feedback saying that we are where we belong at this time. No better.

We've done a lot of talking the talk, but nowhere enough walking the talk.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
So far this year all our losses have been on us. We have lost them ourselves alot more than the other side won them. essentially our own dumb fault. Lost very narrowly to a couple of very good sides despite playing poor footy. Essentially a lack of the intensity we had last year. What we do this year is up to us, no-one else. Play with the right intensity and we roll anyone. Hopefully this happens when the whips crack in the 2nd half of the year when it is time to peak.
Whilst I think we need to beat the contenders, I'd more pissed off or concerned if we dropped more games like the Adelaide one where we simply should not have.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
Hard to know without a bit of background.
It probably stood out because it’s not something we’ve seen from Voss a lot in his time at Carlton.
It may be that he’d checked Cerra earlier in the game about a similar incident, and gave him instructions not to repeat it.
You could understand that having been told once the coach would have been upset if  Cerra had gone against a specific instruction.


But then, again, you'd ask yourself how come he hasn't got it? I doubt Cerra is deliberately disobeying instructions. If he is - Magoo time.

I noticed during the game an inordinate frequency of us going backwards with handball and short kicks - probably due to Rottingwood extreme pressure -- so, how come? Do our blokes not know how to deal with extreme pressure? Perhaps a throw back to the past where we'd collapse under real pressure - can't handle being the hunted? How come we're seemingly not prepared for an opponents best?

Where has our 'hunting' gone? For a period last year we went after aggot and opponent with commitment and ruthlessness (relentless/sustained 'hunting'). But not this year. Have we decided to just rely on the talent on our list and game plan and ignored between the lugholes stuff? 'Staying present' is one slice of the psychological pie... but there is much, much more.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
I don't recall him bending over to try and pick up a ball much in recent games.
I'm sure there is probably some vision of him doing that, but recently....
If he loses a contest it's sometimes a case of 'that's all folks'.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing sore.

Charles has become something of a (considerable) impact player. Very little for 100 minutes + 15-20 minutes of freaky stuff. Aint enough. Like others I've noticed that with aggot in hand up the field he is deadly with his inside 50 disposal. More please. And if he's playing injured, how come and what is it? Maybe his knee issues are such that there are just things he can no longer do? Are we nursing him through games? Yep, this is what happens when we don't know... speculation sets in.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Lods -
And while I'm at it... that public spray from Vossy at Cerra is an alarm bell. Not on. The first thing Vossy, as the leader, should have asked himself was, "This is on me. What haven't I got through to this bloke for him to not be going forward with disposals?" A reflection of your leadership clarity of communication, Vossy? I know there are those who believe a good old-fashioned spray is good stuff - nuh. A quiet, motivating yet firm explanation in Cerra's ear (encouragement to the positive, not berating from the negative) would have been far more productive.

Hard to know without a bit of background.
It probably stood out because it’s not something we’ve seen from Voss a lot in his time at Carlton.
It may be that he’d checked Cerra earlier in the game about a similar incident, and gave him instructions not to repeat it.
You could understand that having been told once the coach would have been upset if  Cerra had gone against a specific instruction.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Lods -
Charlie might be carrying a niggle that is preventing him from churning out kms or being explosive. Who knows? All I can see is that he isn't himself. Again, I dont want to highlight him when you have 7 or 8 that were very bad.

I don't recall him bending over to try and pick up a ball much in recent games.
I'm sure there is probably some vision of him doing that, but recently....
If he loses a contest it's sometimes a case of 'that's all folks'.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing sore.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
So far this year all our losses have been on us. We have lost them ourselves alot more than the other side won them. essentially our own dumb fault. Lost very narrowly to a couple of very good sides despite playing poor footy. Essentially a lack of the intensity we had last year. What we do this year is up to us, no-one else. Play with the right intensity and we roll anyone. Hopefully this happens when the whips crack in the 2nd half of the year when it is time to peak.

Exactamundo. Well said.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
Yep he nailed it and I thought the midfield stuff was on the money too, they had a plan , worked us out and I thought Pendlebury was finished but he played some game on the bigger Cripps.

Isn't this where our coaching staff should earn their loot? Counteracting opposition tactics is where game day coaching skills are a premium. Turn the tables, give them something to think about... give our blokes strategies to deal with and counteract.

If their tackle count is going through the roof... what are we going to do about it? Fight fire with fire? There must be things we could have done, I would have thought. Do we have someone in the coaching box assigned such a task - skillful, tactical changes? (Welcome back to PP, Ratts as the game day strategy coach... just the bloke we need!)

And while I'm at it... that public spray from Vossy at Cerra is an alarm bell. Not on. The first thing Vossy, as the leader, should have asked himself was, "This is on me. What haven't I got through to this bloke for him to not be going forward with disposals?" A reflection of your leadership clarity of communication, Vossy? I know there are those who believe a good old-fashioned spray is good stuff - nuh. A quiet, motivating yet firm explanation in Cerra's ear (encouragement to the positive, not berating from the negative) would have been far more productive.