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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Not sure Greene should get a week for that.

Hogan absolutely
Probably a week is about correct, if Toby had soften the impact by pushing Boyd in the chest then it wouldn't be a penalty. But the moment he turned his shoulder into Boyd's head it's only luck that stops it becoming a nasty incident.

btw., Shows just how poor the AFL was on the Maynard, who ended a players career and got away with it!

Hogan's a goose, deserves a week for a pissweak slap.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #61 –
Coaches votes will be interesting this week.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #62 –
A note of acknowledgement to a couple of 'lesser lights' right behind the bloody terrific Crippa & Walsh - Chugga and Hewett, ripper effort fellers.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #63 –
I reckon Kemp is becoming a handy player- makes mistakes and needs to play percentages more but we ask a lot of this kid.  Decent size and pace and nous but playing as a "utility" is very hard in today's game
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #64 –
Agree on Hewett - the reason Walsh got so many clearances from the centre bounce (apart from Crippa of course) was the Rolls-Royce service he received from Hewett feeding the ball out.

Game in a nutshell for me - we had 19 tackles in the first half, and were basically playing basketball with them.  Ended up on 52 tackles - not a huge increment I know, but it was the way we tackled, with big intent - like when Himmelberg got nailed by our own Harry, ending in a simple goal to Charlie, the effect on the whole GWS team was clear from that point on.

In the first half, the Orange boys were hand- and foot-passing with unpressured precision, but in the second half, you could see the extra heat made them rush what they were doing, and the turnovers started coming.

As has been said many time, when we are the hunters. we can beat anyone.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #65 –
Quote from: RiverRat on
Charlie has the athleticism to do much more but he doesn't chase hard after an opponent with the ball anywhere near as hard as he chases a loose ball that he thinks he can possess. 

Nail ..... head.

I've been on this for some time now.

Extremely critical of his second efforts (which are virtually non-existent), he doesn't bother to pressure the opposition enough if he doesn't get it delivered to him on a platter. It is a serous blight on his game and one that gets overlooked (or a blind eye gets turned) because people prefer to see all of the highlight stuff instead.

IMO, not doing the hard yards like that is disrespecting the other team-mates who regularly do it in other parts of the ground.

If the coaching staf can somehow re-program his thinking so that he chases & tackles more, we will jeep the ball in our D50 for longer which in turn, wil lforce errors from the opposition and more scoring chances for us. 
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #66 –
Play(s) of the day:

Just before the end of the second quarter, Kemp gathered the loose ball and handpassed to Walsh.  Kemp ran on and received the ball back forward of centre.  Kemp could have blazed away and hoped for Harry to mark (Charlie was in the backline) but he spotted Ollie Hollands heading inside 50 on the flank.  A perfectly weighted kick allowed Hollands to mark and he slotted the goal.

Back in the middle and a perfect tap from De Koning enabled Hewett to break away and pinpoint a pass to Kennedy.  Kennedy kicked the ball to a contest and the ball was spoiled away from Curnow (back from being a loose man in defence).  De Koning made it to the contest, crumbed the ball and snapped the goal on his wrong foot.

Those two goals got us back into the game.  They also highlight our young, developing talent and the value of our established players like Hewett and Kennedy.

It's worth going to the replay to see how well De Koning and Hewett combine for the centre clearance; excellent ruckwork from De Koning and superb positioning, anticipation and execution from Hewett.

Then there's Tom's ability to get from the centre to the next contest, gather the ball and snap truly.  Most ruckmen in that situation would play it safe and drop back into the hole or amble forward in case there's a stoppage.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #67 –
Well, we can probably put an end to the one ruck/two ruck debate that’s permeated multiple threads over the last year or so, not just in this place but across all Carlton discussion forums.

As it turns out, in the words of Taras Bulba…”We were both right…and we were both wrong!”
There is a time and a place for both options depending on the skills of the players involved.

We recognise the advantages of one ruck in terms of the extra run.
On the weekend we saw the advantages of two rucks.
Will either option work every week?
I doubt it will.
Two rucks may not even work next week.
One thing we can be sure of is, that having seen how Pittonet and TDK operated on the weekend, opposition clubs will devote a bit of time as to how they combat that combination.

Supporters tend to see things in term of how things work in the past and how they are working in the present. A coaching group has a different perspective. For them the past is irrelevant. The present is important because of the need to win, and bank points but they also need to look to the future.
Will a small experiment or sacrifice early in the season generate a greater benefit at the end of the year?

There was some criticism of using Pittonet last week against Adelaide. But in hindsight he was probably handled perfectly. Superhuman freaks (Walsh) may be able to step back into a side without missing a beat, but for the average player after a long lay-off or a late start to the season, it often takes a match or two to get back up to speed. Fifty percent game time for Pittonet in his first game back was probably the ideal re-introduction to the side.
Did it alter the result?
No more than a dozen or so other incidents in that game.

Just to finish….
-Pittonet reckons they’re developing into a good combination with a good understanding. That takes time playing together. It’s useless having one bide his time, learning his trade in DeKoning’s case, in the VFL where their role would probably be different. Game time together is important.

-There’s been a definite improvement in DeKoning’s game and influence…as well as his ruck work. He gave one of the best ‘hit-outs to advantage’ I’ve seen in recent times on the weekend. (it may have been a bit of a fluke.) :D  :D
 
-Pittonet and TDK are very different types of ruckman, and bring different strengths to the game.

-Cripps loves playing to Pittonet. It showed on the weekend.

-The coaches have a much greater knowledge than we do of
a) What they’re trying to achieve long term with the ruck situation.
b) The strengths, weaknesses and fitness levels of each player at any given time.
c) Opposition strengths and weaknesses that are analysed in preparation for the next games
d) How each player complements the other.
e) The balance- what is the cost effect of playing one combination vs the other.
They don’t get paid the big bucks for working out something a footy tragic can deduce by a couple of hours of watching a game.

So, let’s not go week by week depending on results, favouring one option or the other.
Know that both can work.
Trust the experts. They seem to be doing OK with half the side missing.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #68 –
I don't really get the criticism of Charlie.  He has a role to do and he does it really well.  We have a plethora of small and medium forwards who are there to apply defensive pressure in our forward line.  Charlie's main challenge is to get separation from his opponents.

Jeremy Cameron is being touted as the best player in the game at the moment and he has laid six tackles to Charlie's five.  Somehow I don't think Scott or Vossy will be telling Jeremy and Charlie that they're not working hard enough.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #69 –
Pressure acts:

Fantasia: 17
E. Hollands: 15
Charlie: 12
Owies: 8
Durdin: 5
Harry: 5

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #70 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Pressure acts:

Fantasia: 17
E. Hollands: 15
Charlie: 12
Owies: 8
Durdin: 5
Harry: 5

I reckon if Fogarty was there he'd be right in the mix.

We have a fair idea of what it is....but I'm interested in getting my 'pressure rating' up so it begs the question.
How is it actually calculated?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #71 –
But pressure -- one of this sport's most critical elements to master -- is not all about tackles. It's about the act of creating pressure on your opponent by corralling, chasing, closing or applying it physically.

These are the four different levels of pressure Champion Data uses to determine a player's overall 'pressure points' from a game of footy.

Each pressure act is worth a different amount of points -- with physical (such as tackles) worth more than closing, which is worth more than chasing, which is worth more than corralling -- which means a player could record a very high number of pressure acts in one match but won't accrue as many pressure points as a player whose acts were mainly physical or closing.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #72 –
I just put up the pressure acts stats from the AFL app. Champion data use points.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #73 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Pressure acts:

Fantasia: 17
E. Hollands: 15
Charlie: 12
Owies: 8
Durdin: 5
Harry: 5

But Charlie loses interest when he doesn't get the ball  ::)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Lods on
We recognise the advantages of one ruck in terms of the extra run.
On the weekend we saw the advantages of two rucks.
Will either option work every week?
I doubt it will.
Two rucks may not even work next week.
One thing we can be sure of is, that having seen how Pittonet and TDK operated on the weekend, opposition clubs will devote a bit of time as to how they combat that combination.


When we play 2 rucks, Pitto needs to spend most of his time on the ball (especially early in the game) to allow TDK to provide relief when the opposition ruckman tires (especially late in games), which allows for Pitto to be subbed out if there are no injuries. 

This means that one of the 3 tall forwards needs to consistently present on the wing (or in the midfield) to provide marking power; create space in the front half; and to run forward without being closely marked.  They all have sufficient mobility to perform this role.