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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by PaulP -
In some ways Trump is quite unique, in other ways he is properly representative of a growing global trend for leaders as right wing populist, buffoonish caricatures : South America, India, Italy and many others. I would include ScoMo in this as well. The triumph of spectacle and corporate tyranny, extolling the virtues of Neo-liberalism and a non reality based world view.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Professer E -
If Trump wins Ukraine is finished, eastern Europe is in trouble and the knock on effect will promote others to jump the fence and start problems.  I fear for us.   Big enemies and no assistance forthcoming.

Putin is trying to complete Stalin's plans from 1945.  Who thinks the tanks are going to stop at the Moselle next time?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Ukraine is of strategic importance bordering NATO countries, has shared power grids that Russia feed and Putin wants his place in history like other Russian leaders and wants to be a war hero. Russia also have a massive say in world economics via Gas, Oil etc and that affects us all. He wants to reclaim rogue ex Russian states and have the old USSR back together.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
Quote from: Lods on
Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR
The most shocking thing about this is how long it took for mainstream media to realise Putin has no target boundary, he won't stop.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
Trump's charges are real, and he might suffer financial penalties as well, the only thing saving him from the wolves is the fear they have he might again be President and abuse his power to take revenge on them, that's what is broken in the USA political system, it's fairly obvious.

The bulk of the allegations against US officials are fake, made up by huckster lunatics and Russian operatives on social media, if you believe them you are just a pawn in the international game of politics and power. But they don't have to fear the bulk of Trump's competitors including Biden, because they are nobodies and unlike Trump they aren't on the revenge radar.

I laugh at people who seem to think Trump is going to fill pockets full of cash, he will but only his own, and he does that by employing Mexicans and West Indians and 1/2 local wages. He wouldn't stop to piss on an American citizen on fire, he'd probably command the security staff not to waste the water.

There significant irony in Trump boosters accusing Biden of devilish financial deeds, as far as I can tell, Biden is just a milder / moderate version of Trump. At the top end of US politics, they all are mild versions of Trump, because they are all motivated by wealth and power, they just aren't as extreme as Trump!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: Thryleon on
Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?

Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s.
Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR

There is a pretty good reason why we should be concerned.
There's a good reason why the American response is important...because there may come a time when we need to be concerned about the strength of our own relationship with the USA.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: Lods on
But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
 
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.

The Democrats don't get a free pass though.
If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them.
Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.

In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling.
That would seem an easy choice for us.
Apparently not so for the USA.


Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?

Curious.   My biggest gripe with the usa is its interference in international conflict is rather self serving anyway.

I.e.  Israel in Palestine is their horse being backed so the strong condemnation isn't occurring.   Meanwhile Ukraine falling to Russia is their horse not being backed in favour of a rival so everyone must intervene. 

Ultimately in both cases they don't care about anything but their own interests. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not wax lyrically about one party or the other here and another nation and its rather unrelated geo politics.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13412111/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-swing-states-voting-poll-democrat.html
Im no fan of Trump and consider him dangerous but I think its Biden who faces the uphill battle, he is also being blamed for the turn of fortunes in the Ukraine conflict with his slow supply of arms/munitions to the Zelensky Govt allowing Putin to resupply and turn the war into a economic contest.

But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
 
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.

The Democrats don't get a free pass though.
If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them.
Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.

In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling.
That would seem an easy choice for us.
Apparently not so for the USA.