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Title: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 24, 2018, 05:58:32 pm
Game went pretty much according to the script. ;)

So if you're writing the script for this....

We get absolutely panned all week for yesterdays effort.
We go into this game switched on and (only)lose by about four goals.
Folks are content with that and a bit of pressure disappears.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on June 24, 2018, 06:03:06 pm
Need more Curnows and Cripps and we also need LESS injuries.
Would someone tell that person down at the club to stop breaking mirrors, walking under ladders, seeing black cats and playing with blue voodoo dolls. It has become soul crunching.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Robblues on June 24, 2018, 06:05:30 pm
Any more Currnows at home?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 24, 2018, 06:05:49 pm
That could have been terrible, very proud of the fellas for the effort they put in this week. There was only one response that would have been acceptable, that was it.
- How good were Crippa and Charlie? Scary thing is, they will only get better.
- Thought Bam Bam provided some good cover for Crippa today.
- Injuries were the only down side.
- As Proff said, Lamb, Mullet and Oshea are just not AFL std.
- SPS worries me.
- Polson has some pace.
- Daisy could be in strife
- Adams needs to be looked at for striking Charlie.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 06:06:31 pm
Solid game from our blokes given we were undermanned before and during the game vs a talented Pies team...

Cripps and Curnow the standouts, Kennedy showed he could be a good foot solider and by handballing more he was under less pressure and used the ball better.
Jones and OShea turned the ball over as per normal, Mullet avoided contact well and Obrien did likewise....Polson didnt do much and I am unsure why we signed him on for another two years? Quick but cant find the ball much allbeit he tackles well for a small..
Dow was good at times as was Fisher who has that bit of Pendlebury type class when under pressure and always delivers well...Simpson was his usual busy self and Daisy enjoyed sparring with his old teammates..
Losing Kreuzer and Plowman upset our plans but we battled on and overall it was a respectable performance given where we are on the ladder and the opposition we played.

re: SPS....started well but likes it bruise free as does Garlett......both need to improve in that area..

Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on June 24, 2018, 06:07:45 pm
Just too many players not up to the standard but you couldn't question the effort.
All of our good young ones did what was expected, Simpson battled away as did Jones, Kreuzer and Thomas but no team can carry as many poor players as we do and hope to win matches.
It's going to take another few years to weed them out.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 24, 2018, 06:10:38 pm
Just too many players not up to the standard but you couldn't question the effort.
All of our good young ones did what was expected, Simpson battled away as did Jones, Kreuzer and Thomas but no team can carry as many poor players as we do and hope to win matches.
It's going to take another few years to weed them out.

Look forward to less injuries so they don't have to play.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on June 24, 2018, 06:16:23 pm
Lack of rotations meant that the centre square was either Kennedy OR Cripps rather than Kennedy AND Cripps. Killed the effectiveness of the 2 bulls together. Kennedy showed enough.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 24, 2018, 06:17:22 pm
Any more Currnows at home?

Yep
Charlotte's a  Modern pentathlete
Eliza's a middle distance runner
and George is a High Jumper who played some VFL
They're a pretty sporty family.....but Charlie seems a combination of the best parts of all of them
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 06:21:00 pm
Needed another decent forward leading at the ball carrier,  a fit ruck to go against Grundy and fewer spuds in defence... Otherwise we were pretty competitive.

Bit concerned about our younger on ballets,  don't attack ball or man anywhere near hard enough.   Need some sh1t around the ball dealing out some hurt,  get the other mob looking sideways for the hit. 
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on June 24, 2018, 06:23:09 pm
Just too many players not up to the standard but you couldn't question the effort.
All of our good young ones did what was expected, Simpson battled away as did Jones, Kreuzer and Thomas but no team can carry as many poor players as we do and hope to win matches.
It's going to take another few years to weed them out.
The problem is though we only just got these guys after weeding out the last batch. ::)
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: JonHenry on June 24, 2018, 06:24:23 pm
I’m not sure what more people expect or want from a captain.
If that game isn’t enough I doubt not know what more he could do?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on June 24, 2018, 06:26:42 pm
It's a shame that we're still in honourable loss territory, but given what happened last week and in other games this season, I'll take it, with a slight mopping of the brow.

We were up against it even without the injuries - the Pies are a classy and smooth outfit - they're also pretty gentlemanly and don't have that ruthlessness that some other mongrels do. They did what they had to, and no more. Having said that, I reckon they would have been a little surprised at our fight and spirit.

Well done CFC.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 24, 2018, 06:28:40 pm
Yep
Charlotte's a  Modern pentathlete
Eliza's a middle distance runner
and George is a High Jumper who played some VFL
They're a pretty sporty family.....but Charlie seems a combination of the best parts of all of them

Yes, we only used 62 of our 90 rotations.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on June 24, 2018, 06:34:21 pm
A lot to like this week and Charlie will be an absolute superstar. What a warrior Simmo is, love him!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 24, 2018, 06:41:50 pm
It's pretty obvious our games at the moment are more mental challenges.
If we come switched on we can cause concerns for most teams.

But we're at a level of ability that we cant afford to be the least bit "off"..otherwise we get "First half Freo"

That attitude is hard to maintain for a young side...but it has to be the baseline, the least that's acceptable.
That's the challenge for the rest of the season
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: rocky on June 24, 2018, 06:56:13 pm
Looked to me like we were playing to minimise the damage rather than win the game. How do you explain playing a 5 man forward line against this mob? Looks like Bolton is in survival mode.
Still they did have a decent crack at least. Completely knackered by Q4. Injuries curse continue to hurt us.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 07:14:23 pm
Looked to me like we were playing to minimise the damage rather than win the game. How do you explain playing a 5 man forward line against this mob? Looks like Bolton is in survival mode.
Still they did have a decent crack at least. Completely knackered by Q4. Injuries curse continue to hurt us.

Not sure if it was pre planned or losing Casboult made us change our plans...given our lack of strike power we obviously function better with the extra man back and prefer the game
played in a more dogged manner where we dont suffer as much on the rebound from turnovers. Doesnt make good viewing but it does as you say limit the damage and if it was pre planned I dont expect it to change for the rest of the season. Bolton has got another two years IMO, there are no coaching messiahs out there and we have to stick to the same path for a while unless we get some big name players in who can win us games which is doubtful..
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 07:19:13 pm
Stick Lukosious in that side at CHF to give something else to kick at and it might have been closer.  

Matty Wright missing again today,  can't see us deviating from this game plan until we strengthen our list dramatically.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on June 24, 2018, 07:39:18 pm
Stick Lukosious in that side at CHF to give something else to kick at and it might have been closer.  

Matty Wright missing again today,  can't see us deviating from this game plan until we strengthen our list dramatically.

Same here, and Harry McKay had another ordinary game in the VFL by all reports.
I thought that with Casboult injured in the pre match we would have played Silvagni as a more or less permanent forward but we obviously have other things planned for him, Pickett kicked 3 in the VFL and at least he's quick.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on June 24, 2018, 07:42:12 pm
Looked to me like we were playing to minimise the damage rather than win the game. How do you explain playing a 5 man forward line against this mob? Looks like Bolton is in survival mode.
Still they did have a decent crack at least. Completely knackered by Q4. Injuries curse continue to hurt us.

Yes, no doubt. I think the damage limitation style is absolutely and unfortunately for now, the right way to go. Being in the contest, or not too far out, reads a lot better than a 10 goal flogging. Bolton's attempt to add an offensive layer has backfired badly, and I suspect both coaches and players are at fault. I have no issue with shoot out, sling shot footy, so long as both teams are doing it. With us, it is, as Lethal said after the 85 GF, "like trying to fight a war without weapons."

I'd much prefer to see this style than a 60 point shellacking.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 24, 2018, 07:46:55 pm
Quite the likeness!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 07:49:09 pm
Highlight of the year,  awesome to see those photos side by side.

Contrary to what some peanuts believe,  he's worth every cent.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2018, 08:03:22 pm
Quite the likeness!

Curno-fide-lenko?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Raydan on June 24, 2018, 08:06:06 pm
O'Shea, should never be allowed to play for Carlton again. I know Williamson can't play but he would have been the match up for Stevenson if not injured and we stop an avenue to goal.

Mullet did one good thing for the game and that was it.

Poulson, did not understand why he was resigned, however liked his toughness as he appear to be knocked out early in the game, he got up and staggered a bit, next couple of minutes he's chasing and tackling with intent. While he's not good around the ball yet at this level, I did like the attack on the man, it gives him a a starting place for next week.

Garlett, I so want him to be better. Started the game off better but still doesn't run hard enough to make up ground when chasing and I've seen the speed before. He needs to run like there is no tomorrow and basically die as he has a rest, then recover and go again.

Dow, he gets tougher each game, great feel around the contest and disposal is getting better, that tackle on Pendlebury at the end of the game was very nice, locked the wrist and didn't let go. If he's doing that at 18 then again a few more seasons and look out. I noticed him cruising behind Treloar in the second and that was highlighted by the commentators. I thought they were lining up to give him a whack, but the explained that what the difference between 7 per seasons and 1, well really is half, as the rookies come late and they are on a modified program.

SPS, I notice that some are saying he wants to play bruise free footy, ... I must be watching a different game, he goes in and gets the ball when needed to but today we had Cripps and Kennedy as well as Jack around the ball, he still went through when it was his turn and there is a difference from not wanting to be hurt to trying to evade the opposition.

Kennedy, first half he was going full on much the same as his first half anaginst Richmond, then he looked stuffed which is understandable in the second half. Very happy to see Matt up and going.

Charlie, jet, gun, outstanding.

Cripps see above.

Rowe, I feel for poor Sam, again the poor commentators were comparing him to Grundy saying he can't go with him, well no sh1t sherlock, he's a big, wrestling backman against a ruckman who's in his prime and in form and due to injuries has to move to Full Forward then into the ruck where his back up was Jack.

Fisher, typical game, I want to see a few variations to his game now, we all know he can go and get it inside then sweep to his left, this will be caught soon, and while that blind turn was very nice looking at his size it will be held more often than not. I just want to see a baulk to the left then a cut inside on the right opening up the field a bit more.

This needs to be our minimum effort all the time, attack on the ball and player were probably the best all year, more changes next week with Plowman and Kruezer out means we have to face Ryder with Phillips and Gray without a proper match up either and probably no Daisy as well. Does not bode well for Simmos 300th.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2018, 08:07:55 pm
Pickett, I so want him to be better. Started the game off better but still doesn't run hard enough to make up ground when chasing and I've seen the speed before. He needs to run like there is no tomorrow and basically die as he has a rest, then recover and go again.

I'm assuming this was meant to be Garlett?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Raydan on June 24, 2018, 08:20:35 pm
yep and fixed  ;)
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 24, 2018, 08:26:39 pm
Having Kennedy up and running sure helps Cripps. Allowed Cripps to rest forward at times and kick 3 goals.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 24, 2018, 08:28:29 pm
This needs to be our minimum effort all the time, attack on the ball and player were probably the best all year, more changes next week with Plowman and Kruezer out means we have to face Ryder with Phillips and Gray without a proper match up either and probably no Daisy as well. Does not bode well for Simmos 300th.
Or does Lobbe play against his old side? How will OShea fair against his old mob?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Raydan on June 24, 2018, 08:30:20 pm
Or does Lobbe play against his old side? How will OShea fair against his old mob?

How can O'Shea play against Port, are they changing league to the VFL next week?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 08:32:10 pm
Or does Lobbe play against his old side? How will OShea fair against his old mob?

If OShea plays on anyone decent we will be carved up by about 10 goals.....was outbodied by the Pie kid Stephenson in the goal square and has zero nous for a bloke who has played 100 games..
Rather play Philips unless he is injured vs Ryder and Westhoff.....both are in a red hot form and Lobbe wont get near them around the ground....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 08:34:51 pm
If Daisy goes so should a couple of Pies,  they threw a few sly ones today.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 08:36:42 pm
If Daisy goes so should a couple of Pies,  they threw a few sly ones today.

Maynard likes to throw jumper punches, bit too cocky that kid...Adams is a little pr..k...hope someone landed one on him...
Daisy did more pushing than punching....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2018, 08:38:26 pm
If OShea plays on anyone decent we will be carved up by about 10 goals.....was outbodied by the Pie kid Stephenson in the goal square and has zero nous for a bloke who has played 100 games..
Rather play Philips unless he is injured vs Ryder and Westhoff.....both are in a red hot form and Lobbe wont get near them around the ground....

OShea made 3 huge errors in the space of 2 minutes today.

2 kicks directly to an opponent, without a carlton bloke within cooee.
And then gave away a free kick in the goal square.

The bloke is a liability. I don't care how many injuries we have to our backs at present, he gives away more goals than he saves. Better off playing an extra mid in his place.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 24, 2018, 08:39:09 pm
Maynard likes throw jumper punches, bit too cocky that kid...Adams is a little pr..k...hope someone landed one on him...
Daisy did more pushing than punching....

Huddo reckoned someone gave Daisy a hook in the halftime melee today. Wasn't captured on camera from what i saw.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 24, 2018, 08:39:16 pm
How can O'Shea play against Port, are they changing league to the VFL next week?
;D ;D
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 08:41:15 pm
What's your honest assessment of the game brother Elwood?

Ive just re-watched the first half and given the greatly undermanned side we fielded and some very questionable umpiring I thought the pies got out of gaol.   Either we are better than I thought or the pies are drinking their own bathwater a bit.   They didn't impress me one iota.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2018, 09:05:46 pm
What's your honest assessment of the game brother Elwood?

Ive just re-watched the first half and given the greatly undermanned side we fielded and some very questionable umpiring I thought the pies got out of gaol.   Either we are better than I thought or the pies are drinking their own bathwater a bit.   They didn't impress me one iota.

Prof..reckon the bathwater is low in level at the luxus centre and most of it has found its way down their fat throats....overrated and they rely heavily on their midfield to get them out of trouble. If they lost Grundy and Pendlebury instead of us losing Kreuzer and Plowman the result would have been different.  They do one thing better than us and thats convert...Hoskin Elliott isnt a great player IMO and is as soft as butter but he does kick straight and the new kid Stephenson does similar. They probably have more depth as well and we have to bring in bananas like Oshea, Mullet etc and they can call on better quality back up...
I'd have them as midpack but their A grade midfield probably gets them in the finals but IMO they will be smashed by teams who can lock down on Treloar, Pendlebury, Sidebottom and crew.......
We played the extra man back today which also helped limit the damage, its probably going to have to stay that way till we get some more talent in.....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Raydan on June 24, 2018, 09:09:23 pm
If Daisy goes so should a couple of Pies,  they threw a few sly ones today.

Daisy will go for the sheperd that knocked out Gibson, off the field with concussion and it was shoulder to head.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on June 24, 2018, 09:14:57 pm
Ryan Burton knocked out Shaun Higgins earlier in the year and got off.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 24, 2018, 09:18:02 pm
Pie player should be rubbed out for trying to headbutt Daisy's shoulder.

As above,  Burton got off,  Daisy gets off.   Then again,  this is the AFL and it is Micheal "does what he's told" Christian.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on June 24, 2018, 09:19:53 pm
Pie player should be rubbed out for trying to headbutt Daisy's shoulder.

As above,  Burton got off,  Daisy gets off.   Then again,  this is the AFL and it is Micheal "does what he's told" Christian.

you forgot daisy gets the Navy Blue jumper loading penalty of x 10.

What normal players get off for, ours get fined for, and what normal players get fined for, we get a week for.  If a normal player gets a week, expect Daisy to get 3.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Brettie on June 24, 2018, 09:38:46 pm
Haven’t seen it on the replay, but at the game Ed Curnow’s elbow on Pendlebury didn’t look good.....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Gags1960 on June 24, 2018, 10:16:09 pm
Here's my rant...sorry could be long but have posted once in 3 years...I've hit the snap point

Lets start with this matchup...Cam Polson today 1 kick 3 handballs v Dogs Billy Gowers 16k 6hb 12m...2nd best for Dogs last night..Andy Gowers-Hawthorn son..we delisted him last year after no opportunities...plays tough with mongrel...delisted the wrong G...Nic Graham almost 50 AFL games and continues soft loopy chip passes and we get fooled by his Bullants form 35 fluffy possies....SOS you made the call on that one and don't get on radio and say we can't change what happened in the past that call was on your watch


Kane Lambert...sure on Malthouse watch..2/3 years Bullants no games...Tiger Premiership player and in their top 5 elite players...never given a chance....we must have had an elite list last 10 years not to give these guys a look/run...NOT!!!!

I hear the Bagger drums from the old guard are beating hard for a change of our invisiible Prez...a Matheson puppet...the Carlton legends and I've spoken to a few want to see the farm taken back 1-12 is totally excruciating to this proud club

Could be a George Harris old style 1970's coup in the wind...have to take us off the Matheson's pokies money tit...too much influence...hard to replace the cashflow...but the soul of the club needs to be restored

Sorry  Macca...also as GM loved you as a dour no.5 premiership back flanker and AA rep...but you read the news and injury updates out like you are a vet telling us your dog should get the needle or have a $2.5k knee Reco sorry mate your no Neil Balme 3 flags as Footy GM at 3 clubs....Where's Cain Little...ever heard from him CEO?

There endeth the rant

Would have taken 20 points pre the game...dumb me didn't take the points....I was proud of them today...they showed a lot 2 down but we have deeper problems at the top end in my view
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: blueboys_1 on June 24, 2018, 10:46:21 pm
Much better effort today. If they can bring that effort every week then we will be a lot more competitive against most sides. Losing Cas before the game and replacing him with O'shea put us behind the eight ball before the bounce. FFS why replace a big guy with a small guy who is a spud!!!!! Some observations.

SOS - A horrible first quarter. 3 howlers in row before steadly improving throughout the game. Something to work with.

Charlie - Boy am i looking forward to watching this guy tear teams apart in the future.

Dow - Really like how this guy is progresing had the glasses on him and his work in close is first class for an 18 year old. Will only get better.

Kennedy - Played a full game for the first time this year and showed that he can add something to the team.

Cripps - What a beast. Please please Carlton sign him up untill he's 30. Heart and soul of the club and a future captain.

O'Brien - First year player who runs and runs. That run and kick to Charlie was first class.

Weitering - Much better game today. Hope he gets some confidence from today and finishes off the year on a high.

Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2018, 01:45:38 am
Given our curse with injuries I was pleased with our boys performance.
To lose (displace in Rowe's case) your bookends before the bounce is a tough gig every day of the week. Not to mention losing another 2 key players, limiting us to 60 rotations. The challenge couldn't have been greater. I was proud of the way our leaders rallied the troops (Well perhaps not all of them. A few were MIA) to fight till the end.

Crippa and Charlie were outstanding. Say no more.

Ed, Simmo, Jonesy, and Daisy led by example. Super effort.

Sam Rowe managed to pull off an amazing feat. Playing forward with a minutes notice. Then switching to the ruck at a minutes notice. He held his own for the most part and did it with g & d until the end.. take a bow Sam. You did the club proud.

Mat Kennedy finally got an injury free run. He showed  enough to suggest he'll be a great partner for Crippa.

Samo started well but seemed to fade a bit. Fish was a bit quiet by his already high standards. How cool was his little don't argue!. O'Brein's running is a weapon. Looking forward to see him add more strings to his bow. Dow was in it for much longer and geez he goes in fearlessly and is improving his DE. Young Polson ran hard and attacked with intent. Still work in progress though.

Weiters had a solid game. Progressing slowly but surely.  As is Jack. Loved his run down tackle late in the game.

Matty Wright was unusually inaccurate. Hopefully he'll bounce back.

Garlett "nearly" 2 goals early on. That could have knocked the wind out of their sails... Hopefully he nails those in time and builds a 4q game.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: sandsmere on June 25, 2018, 07:19:04 am
Curno-fide-lenko?

No. I reckon Charlie Curnow is fine.

fide and lenko , as good as they were are yesterdays men.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on June 25, 2018, 07:39:23 am
No. I reckon Charlie Curnow is fine.

fide and lenko , as good as they were are yesterdays men.

Yep. Charlie is his own man and will be an absolute star in his own right.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 08:06:41 am
Some forking moron at the Post-Match presser asked BB what he thought about the jumper clash.

I didn't think anyone could find a way to make BT appear intelligent, but they have, which just about sums up the modern AFL media! ;)

That is one moment that actually has made me miss MM!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 25, 2018, 08:16:40 am
The media reporting on this game is strange,  apparently Pendles was BOG, and the pies accounted for a spiteful Carlton after a spray.

FMD,  if Peddles was tagging he was flogged,  and Grundy (and the entire midfield) took a long time to get on top considering there was no ruck opposition.  Hoskin-Elliot and Stephenson,  yes they kicked goals on a couple of crabs, but so they should have.

I want to know what " Mr Clean " Pendles did to make him a target,  and thought that the pies' less feted players such as Howe and Phillips did the real damage.

Morale of story,  don't read the small paper for footy reporting.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 08:44:15 am
No. I reckon Charlie Curnow is fine.

fide and lenko , as good as they were are yesterdays men.

Absolutely!

And while I’m at it, can we now put to bed the idea of Charlie playing in the midfield?
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on June 25, 2018, 10:12:38 am
The media reporting on this game is strange,  apparently Pendles was BOG, and the pies accounted for a spiteful Carlton after a spray.

FMD,  if Peddles was tagging he was flogged,  and Grundy (and the entire midfield) took a long time to get on top considering there was no ruck opposition.  Hoskin-Elliot and Stephenson,  yes they kicked goals on a couple of crabs, but so they should have.

I want to know what " Mr Clean " Pendles did to make him a target,  and thought that the pies' less feted players such as Howe and Phillips did the real damage.

Morale of story,  don't read the small paper for footy reporting.
Indeed. Pendlebury wasn't in the top 5, in my own opinion.
According to Mick Malthouse, Cripps was best by some margin. That was on the ABC. He gave Charlie 3rd votes.

There was a spiteful game alright, but we were not the aggressors: Taylor Adams started the big brawl and Collingwood tried to physically intimidate us from the start. It didn't work.
If we had Casboult, Plowman and Kreuzer, we would have won!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 10:19:25 am
If we had Casboult, Plowman and Kreuzer, we would have won!

I initially thought the very same, but....

Perhaps Kreuzer was a loss, he was having far more influence than Grundy despite Grundy winning taps.

I'm not sure the others were that much of a loss, we may actually have been better because of their absence. I had Rowe among our best as an influential player despite his lack of possessions, I doubt that would have happened if the others were out there! In some ways we got an insight into the positive effects and influence of work-rate and aggression. Would either of the two outs had the same influence!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 10:20:30 am
According to AFL Media's Riley Beveridge:
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1. Captain Fantastic leads from the front
Scott Pendlebury was used as a tagger the last time Collingwood played Carlton. But on Sunday, the Magpies skipper was let off the leash and was back to his best. Delivering a typically classy performance, Pendlebury made the difference out of the middle of the ground. A cut above every time the ball was in dispute, his quick hands and composure with the footy was the defining factor in an otherwise scrappy encounter. He finished with 29 disposals, a goal and a goal assist in his side's 20-point win. He was well and truly the cream on top for Collingwood in a trying, yet satisfying victory.

I’d have Pendlebury in Collingwood’s best, behind Sidebottom, Grundy, Phillips and probably Howe.  His performance was certainly nowhere near that of Cripps or Charlie Curnow and it’s arguable that Simpson’s performance was superior.

Beveridge’s over the top praise of Pendlebury is one of his 5 talking points.  Two others are equally poor; the one about us looking at potential first picks in the draft and the drivel about the “jumper clash”.  Clearly, AFL Media doesn’t employ an editor or anyone responsible for content  >:(
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 10:25:26 am
According to AFL Media's Riley Beveridge:
Beveridge’s over the top praise of Pendlebury is one of his 5 talking points.  Two others are equally poor; the one about us looking at potential first picks in the draft and the drivel about the “jumper clash”.  Clearly, AFL Media doesn’t employ an editor or anyone responsible for content  >:(

Is Beveridge an AFL employee or a syndication from a broadcaster?

The "Jumper Clash" question sounds to me like a "Dorothy Dixer", I suspect Beveridge might be on the one of the TV broadcasters payrolls and his written content is just syndicated. Because no AFL employee would seriously pose that question about a Carlton / Collingwood game and expect to have a long career! You cannot ask loaded questions and expect respect, it's too transparently provocative! That question was clearly asked with motive!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: dodge on June 25, 2018, 10:40:24 am
Was sitting in the Auskick seats yesterday and was a bit distracted by the young fella telling me how nervous he was.  (As an aside, Gil was also sitting in the same section, as he had a kid playing at halftime as well).

I don't know if 18 is Mullet and 24 is O'Shea - they are interchangeable for me as they are plants from other clubs to keep us down the bottom of the ladder.  We were even told as much from N. Melbourne.  I thought that if you delisted a player, the replacement should improve the side.

While we put in a much better effort and our pressure was generally very good, we were beaten by a long way - 10 more scores is a lot.  It did seem that a lot more of the ball was in their forward line.

There was a hit on SPS after the first or second goal of the third quarter, that had him winded on the ground and missing a bit of the play that he could have influenced.  You can see him and opponent going back to the centre square for the bounce, next you see he is on the ground, and he wouldn't have tripped over his feet.

I thought that Dow did some really good things with second efforts and around the ball, Polson is fast and can tackle pretty well given his size.  Just needs to learn how to get the footy - wouldn't have got it too often.

Our second or third goal of the game was great - moved the ball quickly down the guts and only 4 or 5 players touched it.

Kreuz's first quarter was excellent.  As more press comes out this week for Simmo's 300th (this is the first game that I have wanted to go to because it is a milestone game, but got a non-negotiable Wiggles concert) and say that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves compared to the other 300 gamers at the Blues - he still provides heaps and we have to remember that we would need to replace him with someone who is going to be better.  We don't have that yet.

While it has been pointed out that Jones was too loose on some occassions, he is becoming more confident and working out when to mark or punch.  His kick in the first across the ground, straight to a Collingwood player was nothing unusual to see from our backline!

We got within 14 points in the last, the ball was in our fifty, we had a chance to put a bit pressure to keep it in and it got out due to Rowe not quite being up to it - I thought that we needed to kick a goal from that inside 50 - and was dirty on Rowe.  I have to admit I didn't really notice what he actually had to do in the game, so will excuse him retrospectively.

Hopefully the effort will be repeated for the rest of the season.  If it is, there should be some reward.

Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: shawny on June 25, 2018, 10:46:03 am
Got to laugh with the media.

Sen discussing this morning the similarities with Blues in 2018 and Hawks of 2005.

Last week we were a basket case without hope or future and no one could see what we were building.... a week later we are headed for a 3 peat  ;D 
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 10:58:06 am
The media reporting on this game is strange,  apparently Pendles was BOG, and the pies accounted for a spiteful Carlton after a spray.

FMD,  if Peddles was tagging he was flogged,  and Grundy (and the entire midfield) took a long time to get on top considering there was no ruck opposition.  Hoskin-Elliot and Stephenson,  yes they kicked goals on a couple of crabs, but so they should have.

I want to know what " Mr Clean " Pendles did to make him a target,  and thought that the pies' less feted players such as Howe and Phillips did the real damage.

Morale of story,  don't read the small paper for footy reporting.

Prof , I had Cripps BOG but I had Pendlebury as Collingwoods best player...both had 29 possies but Cripps three goals gave him the edge however Pendlebury is a player you need to watch because a lot of his half touches/tap ons end up with Collingwood players, he is a class act and held their midfield together...Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom get the kudos but Pendlebury never wastes a possie and the only mistake he made all day was getting caught on the boundary by Dow late in the game..
The other stat that caught my eye was clearances.....Pendlebury had 4 but he kept Cripps to 7 which Collingwood would take as a win given our man is usually double figures plus......Cripps went at 82%DE and Pendlebury @86%......the three goals was what gave Cripps the BOG IMo but the Collingwood captain hurt us every time he got the footy...
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: shawny on June 25, 2018, 11:12:20 am
Not much said about it but Weitering looked confident and settled. I have a soft spot for him but Cox is no easy match up and reckon our boy took the points.

Intercepted well, found front position whenever he had the time to and took a few nice grabs higher up the ground. Played smart and looks to be back in good form.

Amazing what a little confidence can do.

Also like what Kennedy brings when he is fit - he is not quick but he seems to avoid getting caught when working in close and has good hands to dish the ball out.

Looks like a good pick up and don't forget still a kid too just looks like an older player - wait till he has 3 seasons or 50-60 games under him. Confident in what i see with him - Have high hopes

  
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on June 25, 2018, 11:15:51 am
I agree Paul that Pendlebury was good but  BOG, no, no way.  I though Grundy was good as well, but he should have fair dinkum dominated given what he was up against and really his influence wasn't that great.

I thought Howe really stymied us (because we had no forward structure) and Phillips was very damaging.  As EB said, H-E and that Stephenson lad finished well against weak opposition.

I thought Bolton had one of his better weeks coaching... got his message across to the fans and players, and came with a plan which the players executed.  A bit more polish and luck and it may have been epic.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on June 25, 2018, 11:26:04 am
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Also like what Kennedy brings when he is fit - he is not quick but he seems to avoid getting caught when working in close and has good hands to dish the ball out.

Looks like a good pick up and don't forget still a kid too just looks like an older player - wait till he has 3 seasons or 50-60 games under him. Confident in what i see with him - Have high hopes

Yep, easy to forget only 25 odd games thus far....will be better for the run too. He said himself in his interview he needs to get the run back in his pegs.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ianh on June 25, 2018, 11:37:03 am
Losing Cas before the game and replacing him with O'shea put us behind the eight ball before the bounce. FFS why replace a big guy with a small guy who is a spud!!!!!

O'Shea was the one player held back from the two game in the morning, so there was no other choice.  And as a "type" he is a pretty good option to take that role as he has a bit of versatility , but unfortunately he is a spud of the first order.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on June 25, 2018, 11:50:14 am
Mullet, Lamb and O'Shea - Surf 'n' Turf, with a CoS salad on the side.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 12:21:41 pm
Prof , I had Cripps BOG but I had Pendlebury as Collingwoods best player...both had 29 possies but Cripps three goals gave him the edge however Pendlebury is a player you need to watch because a lot of his half touches/tap ons end up with Collingwood players, he is a class act and held their midfield together...Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom get the kudos but Pendlebury never wastes a possie and the only mistake he made all day was getting caught on the boundary by Dow late in the game..
The other stat that caught my eye was clearances.....Pendlebury had 4 but he kept Cripps to 7 which Collingwood would take as a win given our man is usually double figures plus......Cripps went at 82%DE and Pendlebury @86%......the three goals was what gave Cripps the BOG IMo but the Collingwood captain hurt us every time he got the footy...

If you’re going to rely on stats EB, have a look at contested possessions; Pendlebury had 9, Cripps had 20.  The bulk of Pendlebury’s disposals came after receiving a handpass in the clear and you would expect his disposal efficiency to be high.  You also have to consider that Cripps was playing to a losing and/or no ruck and it was Sidebottom, not Pendlebury, who took advantage of that.

Pendlebury took three marks while Cripps took seven, three of which where contested, including the pack mark in Collingwood’s goal square.

Pendlebury had 5 tackles but Cripps had 9 and Pendlebury gave away a couple of frees for holding Cripps and stoppages.

There’s no doubt that Pendlebury had a good game but he was far from Collingwood’s best and not within a bull’s roar of Cripps. 
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Brettie on June 25, 2018, 12:31:33 pm
The good:

- Cripps & Charlie.....'nuff said.
- Weitering's best game by a mile for quite some time.....I actually felt assured when he had the ball in his hands & that hasn't been the case for far too long. Welcome back son, as shawny said, amazing what a difference having the confidence in your ability back.
- Kennedy's best game for our Club by a mile.....finally got to see the value of the guy we traded for.
- Really liked Paddy Dow's game.......was his best mini-me version of Cripps yet, burnt off Treloar at one stage.....loved that.
- Apart from 2 really, really bad turnovers, Jones was excellent.
- Daisy was very solid.
- Thought Samo's game was pretty good, although he does lack awareness of the proximity of opponents around him at times.
- The overall effort considering the circumstances.....

The bad:

- Was sitting in the MCC, couldn't believe it when I saw Casboult walk of holding his hand, then down the race, how's the friggin' luck....
- Mullet & O'Shea......words fail me. O'Shea played 75% game time, 10 possessions & scored 8 SC points (he was on 1 at 3/4 time)......that's horrendous. Everything he touched turned to poison, was the Pies 27th player (the 4 field umpires were in front of him). Mullet kicked a goal & a seriusly don't remember seeing him before or after that....
- The umpiring was abysmal......the number of unrewarded tackles by Carlton players was as close to cheating as you could get.....

Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Tragic on June 25, 2018, 12:54:09 pm
Good to see Weiters gaining some confidence.  This might sound weird - but I think he's slowly changing from a boy to a man.  He's starting to look a little more grown up and 'hard'.  He needs to become the general of our backline, exactly like when there was a high ball going to the goal square, with Cox parked under it, and Weiters came across and smashed it over.  He also took a few contested marks around the ground.  He'll be a ripper if he continues onwards and upwards from here.  Us mere mortals need to remember how intimidating it would be playing on a 5 - 10 year gorilla as a teenager.  Some can, some can't, and some take time to adjust.

SPS showed heaps I thought.  He went the hard ball at every opportunity (or maybe I missed one or two where he didn't), but I think he's just starting to become a better player than he was last year.  Second year blues might have got him early on I think.

Poulson doesn't get much of the ball, but he is quick and applies plenty of pressure and tackles well.  I think he is worth persisting with for now.  We desperately need more forward pressure and speed, and sadly don't have many options.

Plowman was just getting back his consistency as a tough and reliable back pocket, and then bang...

Dow & LO'B progressing nicely considering they have been fed to the sharks.  It's a lot easier for youngsters to look good in a team that's up and running, but much harder in a team that's getting beaten every week.  If this initiation makes them tough warriors, then good.  If they can't stand the heat, then better to find out earlier than later.  I'm not a fan of the talk that players get ruined by playing too early - either they're made of the right stuff or they're not.  Do we want players who sook it up coz it's too hard, or blokes that realise how hard it is, and how hard they need to prepare to succeed?  Send the princesses elsewhere.

Can't wait for Pickett to get back.  He was the one player I hoped to see the most improvement from this year, I think his upside is huge.

Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 01:05:44 pm
If you’re going to rely on stats EB, have a look at contested possessions; Pendlebury had 9, Cripps had 20.  The bulk of Pendlebury’s disposals came after receiving a handpass in the clear and you would expect his disposal efficiency to be high.  You also have to consider that Cripps was playing to a losing and/or no ruck and it was Sidebottom, not Pendlebury, who took advantage of that.

Pendlebury took three marks while Cripps took seven, three of which where contested, including the pack mark in Collingwood’s goal square.

Pendlebury had 5 tackles but Cripps had 9 and Pendlebury gave away a couple of frees for holding Cripps and stoppages.

There’s no doubt that Pendlebury had a good game but he was far from Collingwood’s best and not within a bull’s roar of Cripps.

DJ..Got no doubt Cripps was the BOG but Pendlebury did the role on Cripps at the clearances which was his job and the only time he played on Cripps , hurt us the other way and like I said he didnt get a stat for those tap ons/half clearances but everytime he touches the ball we suffered IMO. I'm saying that Collingwood are not much without Pendlebury and he is still the main man for them, in fact its amazing if you look at what he delivers when compared to Daisy who started with Pendlebury in the same year...
I had him easily as the Pies best given he had the job on Cripps at the clearances and also got plenty of ball himself...Sidebottom got more footy but didnt have the same responsibility IMO.....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 01:09:17 pm
Good to see Weiters gaining some confidence.  This might sound weird - but I think he's slowly changing from a boy to a man.  He's starting to look a little more grown up and 'hard'.  He needs to become the general of our backline, exactly like when there was a high ball going to the goal square, with Cox parked under it, and Weiters came across and smashed it over.  He also took a few contested marks around the ground.  He'll be a ripper if he continues onwards and upwards from here.  Us mere mortals need to remember how intimidating it would be playing on a 5 - 10 year gorilla as a teenager.  Some can, some can't, and some take time to adjust.

SPS showed heaps I thought.  He went the hard ball at every opportunity (or maybe I missed one or two where he didn't), but I think he's just starting to become a better player than he was last year.  Second year blues might have got him early on I think.

Poulson doesn't get much of the ball, but he is quick and applies plenty of pressure and tackles well.  I think he is worth persisting with for now.  We desperately need more forward pressure and speed, and sadly don't have many options.

Plowman was just getting back his consistency as a tough and reliable back pocket, and then bang...

Dow & LO'B progressing nicely considering they have been fed to the sharks.  It's a lot easier for youngsters to look good in a team that's up and running, but much harder in a team that's getting beaten every week.  If this initiation makes them tough warriors, then good.  If they can't stand the heat, then better to find out earlier than later.  I'm not a fan of the talk that players get ruined by playing too early - either they're made of the right stuff or they're not.  Do we want players who sook it up coz it's too hard, or blokes that realise how hard it is, and how hard they need to prepare to succeed?  Send the princesses elsewhere.

Can't wait for Pickett to get back.  He was the one player I hoped to see the most improvement from this year, I think his upside is huge.

Obrien needs to attack the footy more like Dow, he pulls out of too many contests and is too outside, if you are going to play like that you need to get the ball 30 times a game and use it well......
Agree on Polson....I'd keep playing him and hope his numbers improve, lays a good tackle for his size....
SPS does some good stuff then goes missing...be frustrating to coach given he has plenty of talent...
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 01:16:02 pm
I thought we had the top 3 out of the top 5 players on the ground, and the other two were not Pendles.

I thought Sidebottom really hurt us, we seem to always have troubles with these medium sized highly mobile types. I also thought Crisp was very good for them, I thought Grundy ended up with a lot of stats but not much influence outside of a couple of very good defensive marks! Hoskin-Elliott was also quite good for them.

Will be an interesting week for AFLCA votes, I think Buckley would not be too happy, he had a lot of blokes out on the ground who only did 95% of the required work! A couple of weeks back I liked the look of them, and some will argue they did what they had to do yesterday, but I cannot recall the really red hot flag teams ever picking and choosing when to give 100%! In all honesty to me it looked like a day where circumstance should have seen them win by 10 or more goals, for more than half the game they were basically curtailed by just 4 or 5 of our team!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on June 25, 2018, 01:22:58 pm
DJ..Got no doubt Cripps was the BOG but Pendlebury did the role on Cripps at the clearances which was his job and the only time he played on Cripps , hurt us the other way and like I said he didnt get a stat for those tap ons/half clearances but everytime he touches the ball we suffered IMO. I'm saying that Collingwood are not much without Pendlebury and he is still the main man for them, in fact its amazing if you look at what he delivers when compared to Daisy who started with Pendlebury in the same year...
I had him easily as the Pies best given he had the job on Cripps at the clearances and also got plenty of ball himself...Sidebottom got more footy but didnt have the same responsibility IMO.....

Fantasy point?

Crippa 146
Pendles 101

Nuff said indeed!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on June 25, 2018, 01:45:05 pm
Fantasy point?

Crippa 146
Pendles 101

Nuff said indeed!

Cripps got 187 Supercoach.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 01:49:15 pm
Cripps got 187 Supercoach.

If Cripps could keep his DE up to 80%, equivalent to yesterday's game, he would probably average that on SC.

He's had more football in other games, but his DE was in the mid to low 60s.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Wet Willie on June 25, 2018, 02:21:33 pm
I thought, after the game, that it was unusual to have 3-2-1 going to the side that lost by 20 points. 

I was wondering if the Pies were more even across their team...

Cripps, Simmo and Curnow were absolute standouts.

I also thought Collingwood looked spooked coming off after the half time push & shove.  Treloar could hardly get words out during a quick interview, looked very upset.  They were looking like "the hunted".
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on June 25, 2018, 02:53:38 pm
boys did well yesterday,BUT i would like to ask the coaches how do opposition sides get a open forward line or get a 1v1 match up ,yet charlie gets 2 def on him or our fwd line is always crowded .How does this happen everyweek?
 
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Raydan on June 25, 2018, 02:57:30 pm
boys did well yesterday,BUT i would like to ask the coaches how do opposition sides get a open forward line or get a 1v1 match up ,yet charlie gets 2 def on him or our fwd line is always crowded .How does this happen everyweek?

Cause we play 7 in defence, which gives them an extra in their defence.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 03:04:28 pm
I haven't seen a very clear angle of the Daisy bump, but from the two or three angles I've seen it looked like Daisy's shoulder hits Greenwood in the chest and their heads clash. Because Daisy doesn't fold like a pack of cards apparently he's a mongrel!

Also the jumper clash, there it is in the media today, the truth behind the spuddly left field out of the blue unscripted jumper clash question.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/mcguire-to-act-on-pies-blues-jumper-clash-20180625-p4znl3.html

MadGuire has come out and stated there is too much of a clash between the traditional jumpers and he is going to act on the Collingwood jumper. Decoded, that probably means one of two things.

Firstly, and least likely, he is folding to the AFL's wishes and he commissioning a Collingwood clash jumper. Alternatively, despite saying that he wants Carlton to retain it's traditional jumper for away games against Collingwood, that is all just smokescreen because MadGuire knows the AFL will do his dirty work to get Carlton to change it's kit when we play away to the Pies!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Vivian on June 25, 2018, 03:10:59 pm
Concur with many of the posts. We are still undersized and lost the flow of the game often as players are out of position. Gartlett looked clueless, running in ever small circles, (did a nice tap through for a behind though) while oshae and mullet are part of the brigade that just make up the numbers.

Was the first game all season where we showed the type of ball movement we are aiming for. It has appears a few times, but it was implemented several times. Really encouraging and allows zones to be overcome.

Bad for plowman. Hopefully just a jarred knee without any longterm damage.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Jofo on June 25, 2018, 03:45:59 pm
I haven't seen a very clear angle of the Daisy bump, but from the two or three angles I've seen it looked like Daisy's shoulder hits Greenwood in the chest and their heads clash. Because Daisy doesn't fold like a pack of cards apparently he's a mongrel!

Also the jumper clash, there it is in the media today, the truth behind the spuddly left field out of the blue unscripted jumper clash question.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/mcguire-to-act-on-pies-blues-jumper-clash-20180625-p4znl3.html

MadGuire has come out and stated there is too much of a clash between the traditional jumpers and he is going to act on the Collingwood jumper. Decoded, that probably means one of two things.

Firstly, and least likely, he is folding to the AFL's wishes and he commissioning a Collingwood clash jumper. Alternatively, despite saying that he wants Carlton to retain it's traditional jumper for away games against Collingwood, that is all just smokescreen because MadGuire knows the AFL will do his dirty work to get Carlton to change it's kit when we play away to the Pies!

A white back instead of black will solve the issue.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 03:53:13 pm
A white back instead of black will solve the issue.

What issue, it's imaginary!

Difference wise there is already a some stripes versus a solid colour, white and black shorts, the CGU logo.

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3923549fcac47ee22f674a2b357bddbe)

Perhaps one team can wear flashing lights on their head to make sure the nerds can tell them apart! ::)

FFS, this was never an issue in the days or black and white, low definition analogue TV. Now that we can see a blackhead on some players face in full HD the jumpers have become a problem!

MadGuire doing this for a reason, he probably wants more marketing space and is too petrified to tell the toothless hoard they need to buy an alternate jumper!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Jofo on June 25, 2018, 04:10:50 pm
What issue, it's imaginary!

Difference wise there is already a some stripes versus a solid colour, white and black shorts, the CGU logo.

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3923549fcac47ee22f674a2b357bddbe)

Perhaps one team can wear flashing lights on their head to make sure the nerds can tell them apart! ::)

FFS, this was never an issue in the days or black and white, low definition analogue TV. Now that we can see a blackhead on some players face in full HD the jumpers have become a problem!

MadGuire doing this for a reason, he probably wants more marketing space and is too petrified to tell the toothless hoard they need to buy an alternate jumper!

Collingwood used to have predominantly white backs on their jumpers and there was no sponsors on the back. Sponsors logos stand out better on dark backgrounds, hence the introduction of the black backs. I think also, Collingwood wanted to make sure that Port Adelaide was never going to be able to wear their traditional jumper which had a black back.
Also play was far less congested and there were a lot of one on one contests in the olden days. Nowadays, when you're at the ground, it is really difficult to pick up the players sometimes, particularly from a distance, on dull days or in fading light.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 04:20:28 pm
Collingwood used to have predominantly white backs on their jumpers and there was no sponsors on the back. Sponsors logos stand out better on dark backgrounds, hence the introduction of the black backs. I think also, Collingwood wanted to make sure that Port Adelaide was never going to be able to wear their traditional jumper which had a black back.
Also play was far less congested and there were a lot of one on one contests in the olden days. Nowadays, when you're at the ground, it is really difficult to pick up the players sometimes, particularly from a distance, on dull days or in fading light.

Sorry Jofo, there is no way known a genuine fan is going to be confused, they could all be wearing tutti frutti coveralls and we'd be able to tell them apart!

Even with eyes closed and ears covered, a Carlton fan can detect a filth supporter entering the room from the smell! ;D

The filth players are even easier to detect, they are the ones that instantly annoy you when your gaze falls upon them! Like when you swat a wasp before you have even recognised what it is!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: laj on June 25, 2018, 04:35:52 pm
Concur with many of the posts. We are still undersized and lost the flow of the game often as players are out of position. Gartlett looked clueless, running in ever small circles, (did a nice tap through for a behind though) while oshae and mullet are part of the brigade that just make up the numbers.

Was the first game all season where we showed the type of ball movement we are aiming for. It has appears a few times, but it was implemented several times. Really encouraging and allows zones to be overcome.

Bad for plowman. Hopefully just a jarred knee without any longterm damage.

Bone bruising with possible medial damage.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on June 25, 2018, 04:52:10 pm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-25/old-school-blues-do-it-the-hard-way
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2018, 05:59:36 pm
What issue, it's imaginary!

Difference wise there is already a some stripes versus a solid colour, white and black shorts, the CGU logo.

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3923549fcac47ee22f674a2b357bddbe)

Perhaps one team can wear flashing lights on their head to make sure the nerds can tell them apart! ::)

FFS, this was never an issue in the days or black and white, low definition analogue TV. Now that we can see a blackhead on some players face in full HD the jumpers have become a problem!

MadGuire doing this for a reason, he probably wants more marketing space and is too petrified to tell the toothless hoard they need to buy an alternate jumper!

The clash jumper is a non-issue.
What gets my attention in the pic is Crippa's face.....
Boy he looks seriously angry... heck even gentle Kruez has a furrowed brow  ;D
Love that it means so much to them. Perhaps there's something to the club talk that they're a really tight group.

Go new Blues
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Jack Burton on June 25, 2018, 06:27:55 pm
Cripps came at Adams after he sniped a couple of our blokes from behind (which he has a history of doing outside nightclubs, and probably should be in jail right now). Grabbed Adams by the jumper and I've never seen a player back peddle so quickly to try to get away. Was hilarious. Exposed Adams for the coward that he is
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2018, 06:37:52 pm
Mmm thanks Jack.
Can't see any Pie wanting to face off with an angry Crippa. None with any sense that is  ::)

I see someone has Daisy in a headlock too.
It was quite the spectacle.

To top it off for the Pies, they may not have escaped the injury curse after all. Poor Adam Treloar has hamstring injury requiring Specialist opinion.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 06:38:20 pm
The clash jumper is a non-issue.
What gets my attention in the pic is Crippa's face.....
Boy he looks seriously angry... heck even gentle Kruez has a furrowed brow  ;D
Love that it means so much to them. Perhaps there's something to the club talk that they're a really tight group.

Go new Blues

My first hint that we were starting to harden up was the pre-season game against Essendon in 2016.  A bit of a barney started and three of the first blokes in action were Jack, Charlie and Harry.  It warmed the cockles of my heart  :)

It is very noticeable that when players attempt to get into one of our blokes after an error they are met with a wall of navy blue.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2018, 06:48:06 pm
DJC. Was that out near the boundary?
I recall a scuffle (? PS last year) where all the baby blues lined up to back each other. That was very reassuring. They hadn't been with us long as I recall. Perhaps a sign of the successful PS camp.

Maybe we can earn a few quid taking teams on PS camps in Tassie ;D ;D ;D the camaraderie, bonding, and trust building minus the head games.....
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Lods on June 25, 2018, 06:54:48 pm
The clash jumper is a non-issue.
What gets my attention in the pic is Crippa's face.....
Boy he looks seriously angry... heck even gentle Kruez has a furrowed brow  ;D
Love that it means so much to them. Perhaps there's something to the club talk that they're a really tight group.

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Go new Blues

One thing about young Jack Silvagni is he's often the first one into these "conflicts"....and there he is again right in the middle of this one ;D
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on June 25, 2018, 07:17:00 pm
Kane Lambert...sure on Malthouse watch..2/3 years Bullants no games...Tiger Premiership player and in their top 5 elite players...never given a chance....we must have had an elite list last 10 years not to give these guys a look/run...NOT!!!!

You should post more Gags.

But i gotta pull you up on this point.

Yes Lambert was playing Bullants for years, but he was never on Carltons list.

We didn't have any claims over him. Every other club passed over him multiple times as well.

Sometimes you just get lucky.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 25, 2018, 07:17:10 pm
DJC. Was that out near the boundary?
I recall a scuffle (? PS last year) where all the baby blues lined up to back each other. That was very reassuring. They hadn't been with us long as I recall. Perhaps a sign of the successful PS camp.

Maybe we can earn a few quid taking teams on PS camps in Tassie ;D ;D ;D the camaraderie, bonding, and trust building minus the head games.....

Yes, on the boundary near the 50 metre line.

I got to chat with Ed Curnow after that game and he was just a little concerned that Charlie was likely to lose his focus and get sucked into the rough stuff.  It seems to me that Charlie has got the balance right  :)

I reckon Bolts' Tassie camps are a brilliant innovation for facilitating the transition to AFL and building relationships with the new blokes.  Our pre-season camps seem well-structured too, and are not part of what I believe is an excellent leadership development program.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 07:17:59 pm
Cripps came at Adams after he sniped a couple of our blokes from behind (which he has a history of doing outside nightclubs, and probably should be in jail right now). Grabbed Adams by the jumper and I've never seen a player back peddle so quickly to try to get away. Was hilarious. Exposed Adams for the coward that he is

This is why Cripps has to be captain, you want to play with a bloke who can look after you and who gets the opposition worried....someone needed to bop Maynard...he threw Charlie down like he was a feather..wouldnt mind Maynard in a Carlton jumper though as he is a strong unit.... Adams needed some chin music, snipes most games and gets away with it...
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2018, 07:32:16 pm
One thing about young Jack Silvagni is he's often the first one into these "conflicts"....and there he is again right in the middle of this one ;D

And Mat Kennedy helping out his partner in crime  They showed real spirit. It was a credit to all concerned.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on June 25, 2018, 10:13:38 pm
Kennedy's game gave us hope. Now to build on that.

I actually like our game plan and believe when we have more talent on the paddock who can actually execute it with greater precision, we will naturally score more and obviously win more games. If, for example, you just replace O'Shea with Doc, and Mullet with Murphy... well... in the words of that great prophet from Mordialloc, 'Yibbida, yibbida...'
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on June 25, 2018, 11:18:36 pm
According to AFL Media's Riley Beveridge:
I’d have Pendlebury in Collingwood’s best, behind Sidebottom, Grundy, Phillips and probably Howe.  His performance was certainly nowhere near that of Cripps or Charlie Curnow and it’s arguable that Simpson’s performance was superior.

Beveridge’s over the top praise of Pendlebury is one of his 5 talking points.  Two others are equally poor; the one about us looking at potential first picks in the draft and the drivel about the “jumper clash”.  Clearly, AFL Media doesn’t employ an editor or anyone responsible for content  >:(

Coaches Votes


COLLINGWOOD v CARLTON[/b]
10 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
6 Charlie Curnow (CARL)
6 Steele Sidebottom (COLL)
4 Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
2 Jeremy Howe (COLL)
1 Tom Phillips (COLL)
1 Brodie Grundy (COLL)

Game, set and match!!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 26, 2018, 01:45:07 am
One coach gave Pendles nothing.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on June 26, 2018, 07:38:08 am
Kennedy's game gave us hope. Now to build on that.

I actually like our game plan and believe when we have more talent on the paddock who can actually execute it with greater precision, we will naturally score more and obviously win more games. If, for example, you just replace O'Shea with Doc, and Mullet with Murphy... well... in the words of that great prophet from Mordialloc, 'Yibbida, yibbida...'

Most encouraging performance I've seen so far from Kennedy. Really seemed fired up for the occasion, just needs a bit more match fitness imo.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 26, 2018, 08:08:52 am
Most encouraging performance I've seen so far from Kennedy. Really seemed fired up for the occasion, just needs a bit more match fitness imo.

Yes nice to see Kennedy get a few touches, although I'd be much happier if it wasn't in the shadows of Cripps the Godzilla.

When I see some of the young guys in the midfield getting clean footy outright on their own in perhaps a game where Cripps is rested I'll be overjoyed. Playing mid next to Cripps must be like being a KPF next to Franklin, I mean they aren't even going to bother standing you most of the time! The opposition must go out there thinking Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps, Cripps. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Murphy, Ed, Kennedy and others!

If Cripps starts kicking goals, the interesting thing for Carlton now is the bloke the opposition probably want to stand Cripps is also the bloke they probably want to stand Charlie! Noice problem to have!
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: Sexybronco on June 26, 2018, 09:07:10 am
Most encouraging performance I've seen so far from Kennedy. Really seemed fired up for the occasion, just needs a bit more match fitness imo.
It was great to see what this guy can bring to our side, looking forward to more encouraging performances for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 26, 2018, 09:52:01 am
One coach gave Pendles nothing.

One coach must be a good judge ... but which one?   ;)

There’s no doubt that Pendlebury played well but I just thought that he was far from Collingwood’s best or most influential player and was markedly inferior to Cripps.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: LP on June 26, 2018, 09:56:51 am
One coach must be a good judge ... but which one?   ;)

There’s no doubt that Pendlebury played well but I just thought that he was far from Collingwood’s best or most influential player and was markedly inferior to Cripps.

I suspect it was BB that gave Pendles the 4 votes, because Pendles good ball use would have been a stand-out for our coach, BB's not use to seeing it! That wouldn't impress Bucks, he'd expect that skill level as he would judge players relative to himself! After the game Bucks stated it was ugly, I doubt he would be impressed by outside ball use.

I'm a bit surprised Simmo didn't get a single vote, as a whole I thought it was his best game for us this season! He's had games in which he got more football, but in the past he's wasted a lot more of it! I thought he struck the right balance between attack and defense.
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2018, 12:51:56 pm
One coach must be a good judge ... but which one?   ;)

There’s no doubt that Pendlebury played well but I just thought that he was far from Collingwood’s best or most influential player and was markedly inferior to Cripps.

As you know DJ I thought he was easily their best player and his ball use superior to most, no doubts Cripps was BOG and easy but I guess football is a subjective game and
everyone see's it different..
Title: Re: Post Game-Carlton v Collingwood
Post by: DJC on June 26, 2018, 04:37:33 pm
As you know DJ I thought he was easily their best player and his ball use superior to most, no doubts Cripps was BOG and easy but I guess football is a subjective game and
everyone see's it different..

Just as well or we’d have nothing to discuss or debate  :)