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Notice Board (Visitors Enter Here) / Missing Members - 2024
It seems we've lost a few more regulars for 2024, not sure why.

Does anyone have updates on the whereabouts or circumstances of former regulars?

If nothing else, I hope they are all safe and well and enjoying the 2024 results.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
For me this week's most interesting watch will be our F50 tactics, we've been a bit out of sorts this season, some of it is down to evolving opposition tactics, but a good chunk of it is players finding their mojo in a stable configuration. We need to get a few more goals from the extras, opposition look hell bent on stopping Charlie having a crack at another Coleman.

We are probably quite lucky BigH has been in hot form, I wonder if this week he'll get caught out in the ruck like he did last week? O'Brien is a much bigger / harder body to run into.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
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For me the domain of the mobile rucks is attack, and the home of the monolith ruck is defence, very few rucks can do both well, currently Gawn is perhaps an exception.
We saw last night why Gawn is an exception, it was basically Brisbane defeated Gawn.

Quote from: DJC on
The positioning around that stoppage was interesting with De Koning standing goal side rather than in a defensive position.  I'd love to know whether that was part of a plan to convince Jackson to go for an attacking hitout.

The players often talk about rehearsing scenarios - was that one they'd planned?
Bit hard to tell, we saw early the stuff Jackson was doing and that was rehearsed because he went at it from the 1st, but as the game evolved TDK started to switch things up, probably good coaching by SpecialK perhaps.

The training will be in the techniques, not what to do where and when, the where and when call is more dynamic as it depends on the on-ball crew as a whole. A kid like TDK has already practised the techniques, he just needs reminders of the options he can call on, later they'll become second nature.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
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I would have played Pittonet: he has a good record against O'Brien; TdK doesn't.
Ollie Hollands is pretty lucky. He hasn't been playing that well, even though he has contributed. Last week Sharpe killed him.
Fantasia is also more than a little lucky. He did OK as sub, but otherwise hasn't done much. Corey Durdin as well, but he had 8 tackles last week.
Walsh on the bench: is hat trying to tell us that he'll be a late out?

No Cincotta as sub? Amazing! He was much better than both Binns and Cowan against North.
It's a long season but we just had a bye, if not for that I would have also brought in Pitto as you suggest.

Corey Durdin did have a few tackles, but many barely impacted the opponents disposal.

That was Fantasia's best game so far, but still probably not a pass.

I wouldn't be surprised of a late change, but if Walsh is named I suspect he plays, perhaps another out though as I think a couple of others are lucky to retain spots.

Carroll might be a Monty for Sub, I'd start Walsh warm and want Carroll as the Sub just in case Walsh gets sore.

Last week despite bringing heaps of effort I thought Kennedy looked a bit out of place when he wasn't on the ball, maybe a bit of a reshuffle to come in the centre. I've noticed Kennedy, Hewett and Cerra seem to be waxing and waning a bit this season, Cerra can get away with it a bit because he has moments of silk, but I'm use to Kennedy and Hewett being 24x7 types.

We are looking more versatile this season, but I can't say we've clicked yet. I've mentioned it before, Voss / MC need to find a way to create a confidence boosting win, instead I feel we have a bit of a house of cards at the moment and we've been lucky so far. But I concede that can be good coaching, you can make your own luck.

Fogarty is a big loss.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
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Most of the time, we only had one of them available for extended periods of time.
True, my point was more about having the mobile ruck type available in F50, the tactic would not work with a Pitto type in F50 because he's just not agile enough to impact the footy away from his immediate zone.

For me the domain of the mobile rucks is attack, and the home of the monolith ruck is defence, very few rucks can do both well, currently Gawn is perhaps an exception.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
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The big thing out of this victory - is our boys stayed engaged in the contest.
Even the final moments of the match where Crippa called TDK out of the ruck contest that threw Jackson into a tangent and made a big error. What a move by Crippa.
Whether that was pre-planned or not we'll never know, but you can only do it when you have ultra mobile type rucks like TDK or Jackson as they become an extra stoppage player in the zone.

FWIW, back when we had both Kreuzer and Hampson in F50 we would do a similar thing, because they were both mobile enough around stoppages, it left the opposition not knowing which ruck would contest and which ruck would rove, I never understood why we didn't implement it more. There are some old clips floating around of Kreuzer and Hampson roving to each other for goals. The 3rd man up stifled the tactic for a while, and now having to nominate reduces some of the impact, but it still works if you have the right options available.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Fans will never agree, but for me it's hard evidence that the 24x7 unspectacular and unfashionable stuff that the likes of Cottrell, Owies, Fogarty, Hewett, Kennedy and Cunningham bring is far more valuable than the flash in the pan highlights some others offer.

Fans tend to remember the highlights, the stuff that stands out, without even noticing the grunt work that made it happen.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
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I think Cornes changed his tune when he appointed Voss.  He must have had dealings with him at Port Adelaide.
Hmm, I think Cornes knows who butters his bread and he'll go where the money is, regardless of whether that is right, wrong, controversial or downright immoral.

Carlton playing and winning always delivers one thing the haters can never deny, $$$$$.

On a more serious note, I suspect what fans are experiencing is really the magic of the Cook! I was watching a show the other day that had a character called "Master Chief", it immediately made me think of labelling Brian Cook the "Master Cook"!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
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I'm not sure that you could rely on phone camera footage from the length of the ground.  The Freo players were claiming that the ball touched Aish's head, Fyfe claimed that he had touched the ball off George's boot and the TV commentators thought that the ball could have brushed Aish's hair.  Either way, umpires often miss touched balls that are more obvious than that one and it goes some way towards making up for some of the dodgy frees Freo got.
Agreed, stuff like that is missed all the time, players can barely hear each other shouting let along for an umpire to detect a snick of the footy in real-time play, it happens all the time. btw., The Freo protest is valid, in the 4K x 100Hz slow motion it shows the ball flick Aish's bicep which ripples from the contact, and it also possibly flicks his hair but that could well be the breeze as the pill flys past.

Are we really going to expect umpires to detect that sort of incidental contact?

Regardless, to then stupidly abuse the umpire you get what you deserve.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Fogarty case will be interesting, the interchange side view shows him punching the footy and seemingly making contact with Fyfe's right arm or the footy first, but then Fogarty's left arm / fingers hit Fyfe in the throat.

The media are doing it's best to hang Fogarty and pump up the controversy by showing the blindside view, which makes it looks like Fogarty's right fist hits Fyfe.

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Ladies Lounge / Re: VFLW 2024
B Octavia Di Donato (51) Gen Lawson-Tavan (27)
HB Hannah Bowey (64) Emily Hurley (61) Steph Demeo (66)
C Keeley Skepper (4) Brooke Vickers (24) Eliza Wood (50)
HF Marianna Anthony (14) Mia Austin (22) Lily Goss (20)
F Lila Keck (23) Sophie McCarthy (54)
FOLL Jemma Stokes (65) Maddie Guerin (18) Keeley Sherar (25)

INT Asha Turner-Funk (53) Georgia Tait (57) Danika Di Santo (76) Izzy Khoury (52) Meg Robertson (15)

EMG Isabella Parnell (59) Isla Baldwin (70) Simone Mooney (78) Katie Prendergast (77)

In: Marianna Anthony, Lily Goss, Gen Lawson-Tavan, Emily Hurley, Danika Di Santo
Out: Ciara Fitzgerald, Lulu Beatty, Layla Prince, Natasha Phipps, Isla Baldwin
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
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Fogarty is number 1 at Carlton for forward 50 pressure, number 1 in the AFL for forward 50 tackles and number 1 at Carlton for score assists.
This stuff is completely missed by TV viewers, and game callers, because it all happens well off the footy not even within the side on camera field of view most of the time. You basically have to be at the ground with a wide field view and not be ball watching to see it happen, much of it only really visible in replays from behind the goals.

It's why players like Owies, Cottrell, Fogarty and Boyd are so heavily favoured by coaches while being whipped by many fans.

You know when the opposition find space in our D50, it's not the fault of Plowman, Weiters, Youing, McGovern or Newman, although they cop the brunt of the fan ire because the fans see the end result. The cause is because some utility, SF or wing hasn't pushed hard to run into the available space well ahead of the contest. This was one of the reasons why I was a critic of Motlop, fans love him because in camera they see him chase, tackle, and use the footy. But it's what he wasn't doing when the ball was far away that was the real problem.

Much of it is summarised by those coaching tips from Hodge to young players on the field, "You push there, don't watch from here, you go into that space when the contest is over there!"
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide
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Will it be working well 20 games in, or will Harry suffer the same fatigue and stress, that Jack Silvagni experienced when called upon to perform that role.

The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
The risk is immensely disproportional to the benefit of those two options. I'd say they deliver about the same in terms of 2nd ruck, at least at the moment, but on the risk side one is a Coleman medallist entering his prime the other a useful utility on the fringe of the 22.

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The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
What we do week to week depends far more on the opposition list than the capabilities and combinations of our own list, how well our team is managed by the MC will determine the fate of our team's 2024 campaign.