I don't know were that idea comes from but it's repeated often and it's just not true. McLean was ripping it up in the VFL in his 2nd season and could not get a game, he had been written off by the club as being too slow for AFL. Yet in that year Bookmakers had him as 2nd favourite for the J.J. Liston trophy at $7 ahead of winner Valenti $9.
The rest of your post I agree with.
Plenty of gun VFL players who are no good at AFL level.
When he stepped up, he simply wasn't good enough at the time. Didn't have the fitness for AFL level due to the lack of training he'd done over the previous couple of years.
1. We didn't have to pay him 2mil+ he was contracted for over the next 3 years. 2. We traded him for Hendo+pick 12 (lucas) - We got more out of Hendo than Fev offered the lions. 3. We traded Hendo for Geelongs pick, which we ontraded for 4 gws boys, plus pick 8 (Which turned into Harry McKay).
End result, we saved 2 mil bucks and now have potentially a 10 year key forward (Harry McKay) as well as Lamb, Plowman, Phillips and Sumner.
So you tell me, how are we NOT winners from the fev deal!
Huh? We gave up a first round pick as compensation for Betts. Talk about not acknowledging something because it hurts your argument. Don't even bother questioning what we would've got for Betts, been proven a million times over. And let's not question the wasted 700k_ per year of our cap. The whole thing has been a terrible error. Only those with an agenda would even bother continuing on with your argument. Just let it go, dud decision made for all the wrong reasons = dud result. EOS.
Not acknowledging it, i already covered it. We never had it.
What is to say that if we didn't take daisy we weren't going to taks someone else via free agency?
You ASSUME we were getting a first round compo. You ignore the possibility that we could've got someone else.
Again, hindsight.
How many people were happy with trading Fev? I was, and i was in the minority. How many people were happy once fev capitulated and we became clear winners in the deal? With the benifit of hindsight, things appear a lot different.
How many people were happy with trading pick 7 away for pick 19, KJ and Whiley? again, i was in the minority. How many people are happy with Boeky now and how we appear to be clear winners in that deal now? Hindsight.
You cannot get every deal right. Fact. We didn't get the daisy deal right. Still playing out, but looking like a fact at present. Was it worth the chance? Yes, and i'd do it all again tomorrow given the chance because the next one might turn out better ala Judd.
That's an unacceptable excuse. The facts were there on the table, they were deliberately ignored. It wasn't a calculated risk, it was an abhorrent decision.
In hindsight, it appears obvious.
Judd could've backfired more though.
Imagine if he was shot. We gave up Kennedy, pick 3 and pick 20 for him.
At least daisy came for free in terms of what we gave up. ....NO....we didn't give up a first round compo pick, we never had it!
Everyone is sick and tired of this club being pushed around and everyone wants a bit more mongrel. Hawks being the model, but even going back to the lions in their threepeat era is the yard stick.
All of those clubs have overstepped the mark and had more than their fair share of 'incidents'. Bolts is right, that is what happens when you play on the edge.
Now, nobody condones getting rubbed out, but Daisys suspension, along with Walkers wrestling fine, is a sign that they at least want to hold their own.
I suspect that a lot of the negatives being thrown around is because of WHO it is, rather than WHAT actually happened.
Yes, that was interesting; Craig clearly didn't know KJ but singling him out then following up at the end of the session should have made an impression.
The 'genius' in that bit was after asking KJ how he felt about the whole thing, he did the classic Columbo 'just one more thing', "who won the last one?" knowing full well the answer beforehand and gave the pseudo-surprised response of "oh you did..."
Points out to JK that if you listen to him, you will get results and get to the level required.
Well Bill knew about it for at least 3 months before busting them. There is nothing illegal about 2 consenting adults forming a loving relationship. The fact that these blokes were best mates and that the relationship ended as soon as it was discovered shows that all parties deemed it unethical.
Glad the rumors regarding Bills daughter were shown to be a load of crape.
THink you've got your timeframes mixed up.
Bill found out about 3/4 months ago. It only came out in the media in the past month or so.
As soon as he suspected, he busted them. They said it had just started.
As I previously posted, Jammo may be still trying to get used to the new defensive set up? That's why he looks a bit confused at times, and that's presumably why we got caught out a few times, especially by Buddy. We were pressing forward a lot as part of BB's plan. OK until we turn it over in our forward half and the ball is rocketed back over the top of our out of position defence. However, it seems BB wants to ingrain that style of play rather than compromise because of skills defficiencies. We will be focused on that and get the necessary skills or the skilled players as part of our development.
The reason we got caught out with buddy is because we turned the ball over when we shouldn't have. Can't blame Jamo for that as he is doing as required and pushing forward. Unfortunate that we are not as skilled as the hawks and that gameplan might not work as well for us.
Liam Jones may have done enough with his 3 goals to get a rnd1 gig... the NB's only kicked 6 goals for the day so its going to be a struggle for both Blues teams to hit the scoreboard this season IMO...
Yeah tough call on Jones, but i think you'll find him in the R1 team. He's a step above the VFL...
