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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 7: Carlton vs. North Melbourne
Headline should read tomorrow

Carlton Again folds when under physical pressure.

Jack Silvagni, Daisy Thomas, Zac Fisher and Jacob Weitering, you can hold your heads up and Jones, Walsh & Stocker, I'll give you a pass but everyone else needs a good old fashioned bollocking, starting with Cripps & Murphy our so called leaders.

Cripps was found wanting, it's easy to go in hard against non hard players, but where was the desire inside? Murphy, you need to retire, players waltz through your tackles, you don't run anywhere near as hard as you used to and your disposal and decision making is diabolical.

Marchbank runs around looking for frees and is 50/50 on his disposal at best. He doesn't intercept mark anymore so what is he actually good for.
Plowman did a couple of decent things but his complete lack of intensity and skill makes him a D grade player.
Williamson on that effort should be straight back to the 2s
O'Brien is a boy playing a mans game and looks scared.

Casboult is still a dud, one good game against a small team in the Doggies and now he's back to good old sh1t Casboult
McKay was slaughtered and looks tired.
C Curnow not enough
Cunningham goes missing every game he plays
E Curnow has had his one wood taken away. They said he was a forward to create pressure, I'd love to know how many forward line tackles he's laid this season.
Gibbons another Lamb/Kerridge/Lucas/Boekhurst

Philips is a c grade ruckman, which I suppose is better than the d grader in Lobbe
SPS the game gets physical and he goes missing
Dow poor and unskilled

Team selection - It's not a secret that North have big strong bodies around the ball so why leave Setterfield and Kennedy out?

Coaching - It's been 4 years and still we have not taught/ trained or mids to run back hard. I lost count of how many times I saw Murphy and Cripps just jogging after players after they marked or kicked into 50, and they are our leaders give me a screwkking break.

Bolton - at half time, Fox showed a video where you were saying how well the players have done as they have won half their quarters that they played. The fact that you lost 5 game this season trumps that by a long way. If that is how you coach then it's no wonder that they get all warm and fuzzy with losing every week.

Silvagni any chance you could draft or trade for some real mongrel players?

It's been 18 years of this utter rubbish, sure we won a couple of finals, but we are the only team in that time period that has not made a prelim (gold coast aside).

I understand we are young, but being young doesn't prevent you from trying.

To see Plowman laughing when players were huddling for Jones' injury, 1 his team mate was being stretchered off and 2 we were being slaughtered, made my blood boil. I hope he is dropped and delisted at the end of the year.

This game is a true reflection of where we are, and it's still nowhere.

If Bolton comes out and says we are hurting with you again, I'll spew. It's a job for him, if he gets sacked tomorrow and rehired next season at another club then he'll hurt for them. If a player gets delisted or traded then they don't care what happens to Carlton, but we the true supporters do. I've paid my membership every year since the salary cap scandal, I pay for an interstate membership, which is basically a donation as I don't go to games being in Launceston apart from once a season and this year is was against the Bulldogs so an away game.

I don't get to be sacked or traded, I hurt for every game that is lost, I hurt when I see zero effort by some players, I hurt when at the start of the season we are promised an improved side and get the same rubbish year in and year out. I hurt when I see my sons getting teased on the play ground for supporting Carlton.

I want Bolton to get angry at the players, tell the Carlton faithful that it was not good enough and assure that players like Plowman, Marchbank are on notice or better still dropped, cause the Collingwood forwards will treat then like rag dolls next week.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: If Not BB, Who?
Quote from: Lods on
I think we have folks with strong views on both sides of the debate.
That's good for forum business...I'm not sure it's a position the club would want to see.

But there are also some of us who are sitting squarely in the middle....and I'm totally buggered if I know "Where we are at!"
'Have faith' I'm told.
But bloody faith is the most 'airy fairy' thing in football.
It's totally meaningless and has no influence on what will happen... (unless you're a club director)

The problem this season is the first three weeks have given us a group of results that have only muddied the perception.
Real Jekyll and Hyde stuff.
Some say they can see real improvement but if we look back over the last three years we could find many post game threads where we've talked about 'real' improvement.

I like Bolton. I like his attitude. I think he does generally have a lot of support from the playing group' I think they believe he can make them better players and have embraced what he's trying to achieve.
I'm also sure he's learning and developing in the role and his coaching will only get better.
But there is a time limit.
It's not set, and can happen very quickly if things go completely pear-shaped.
Am I convinced he's the coach that can get the results we want before his time runs out?...
No, I'm not sure, and that's based solely on the fact that the results so far are a decline in both wins and ladder position that hasn't been offset by a real improvement in development and performance.

It's not irreversible.
He has until the end of this season before any real pressure comes on.
What saves him?
For that we need to see wins and a steady rise up the ladder.
Now hopefully that may come...but we can't just wipe the last three years...and go "Starting Now!"

As we've seen in another thread the core of this playing group was there before Bolton.
With the addition of those drafted in his first year he has had a stable group that makes up a large part of his starting 22 players, albeit severely affected by injuries at different stages.

Yet what we've seen is us heading South in terms of ladder position and games won each year.
So until you turn that around you have to cop a bit of flack.

Show us some solid evidence in terms of
-player improvement
-teaming together and structure
-wins
-ladder improvement
….and the criticism will evaporate.

I still think the great majority of Carlton supporters want this to work.
I don't know what we do if it doesn't.

There are coaching issues, when we have the game on our terms like the first quarter this week, we looked good, but any decent coach can shut down young kids from running with the football, especially a good defensive team like Sydney. What Bolton has failed to do is implement a game plan that counters this. GWS is a running side and when the opposition tries to block things up they keep the opposite wings wide, which enables a release kick when fed out the back.

ATM if we win the ball in congestion we feed the ball back, then kick down the line and any half decent coach knows that, places a defender 30m forward of the stoppage, they get the ball and kick into the middle of the ground as all of their player who were congesting the play run off our guys and this opens the ground up putting our defense under pressure. We were just luck this week that Jones and Weitering were able to play out of their skins.

Imagine the same play where we feed the ball back, but instead of kicking it down the line they run 10m to the middle of the ground and kick to the opposing wing to our player we have there waiting for the release kick, it doesn't have to be on his chest but in his general area, and we are away.

The opposition then have to decide are they going to allow this, if they man him up, then we send another over there and create a two on one, this will then stop the play getting too clogged up and allow our young runners to get some momentum again.

If the opposition win the clearence the wing pushed out can run to the middle and block the players who want to get to the middle.

That is a very simplistic look at it but it works for GWS well, just ask DeLideo who gets many easy kicks by being that release valve.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion
BTW the umpiring was shocking, they ever had yellow and black shorts on. How did Lynch get his first goal, by Riewoldt jumping on Jones and making no real effort to get the ball in the air.
Second goal, we laid a tackle that spilled free should have been dropping the ball, instead it rolled over to a Richmond players that snapped a goal.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion
First lets give the opposition some due, Richmond have been the best team over the past 1 and a half seasons, aside from a poor prelim they could very well be sitting on back to back flags and there wouldn't be a person surprised by that. I actually said to people that a 6 goal loss was what I'm expecting.

Second our game plan has changed, if you could not see when we had the game on our terms in the second and third quarter, we got the ball to defensive 50 then looked to get it into the middle which opened up the forward half and created out scoring chances.

In the first quarter Richmonds excellent full ground defence, something they have been working on as a group for many seasons now, pushed us to the boundary line and they did the same in the last as well.

We had poor hands over the ball as a whole and kicked poorly in front of goal, but we tackled better than I've seen a Carlton team do in a few years. We hit more targets, and ran as a group with overlap, but made a few stupid choices in trying to create the run as well.

Just again, we finished a poor last and they finished two games clear on top of the ladder. We bought in some nice players that all need game time to reach their potential, Richmond bought in an AA full forward, so again was this result a surprise?

I thought the world was ending when we were 1-40, however the team showed fight and got back into the game through hard work, and I didn't see Richmond take it easy at any stage, we just played better than them for half a game.

Looking at the age and experience demographics for the teams last night

Richmond games 1 to 30 - 2
Carlton games 1 to 30 - 7

Richmond games 31 to 60 - 5
Carlton games 31 to 60 - 7

Richmond games 61 to 100 - 3
Carlton games 61 to 100 - 2

Richmond Games 101 to 200 - 7
Carlton games 101 - 200 - 3

Richmond Games 200 + - 5
Carlton Games 200 + 3

Richmond age 17-20 2
Carlton age 17-20 3

Richmond age 21-24 - 5
Carlton Age 21-24 - 11

Richmond age 25-30 - 15
Carlton age 25-30 - 5

Richmond 31+ 0
Carlton age 31+ 3

Over Half of our side has played less than 60 games
Over Half their side has played more than 100 games

15 of their 22 are in what is considered the prime of their careers age wise.
We have 3 past it and 14 yet to hit their prime.

It's a simple equation, they are good team with their players in the right demographic with games played and age
We are young and inexperienced and there is nothing to remedy that except time
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: SSM Plebiscite
Why religion is being discussed has me baffled, there is only one religion that belongs on here and that's Carlton.

However not to slag and run, Religion is defended by many and is thought that is you are religious you are good, when that is so far from the truth it's not funny.

Look at all the things that have been done around churches; wars, denigration of gender, sexual orientation and race, child molestation... and there just for starters.

Religion and Gods were thought of by primitive man when they had no science to explain why certain things happened, why the sun went dark from time to time (eclipse) why there was floods, why droughts, why insect plagues.

I love to read Ricky Gervais and George Carlin's take on religion, they pretty much nail it, in my opinion. Jesus / God preaches tolerance, love and understanding, unless you disagree with anything that they say then you're beyond help, sounds like a cult to me, which is all that religion is. The Pope is the leader of the biggest cult ever and Catholicism says that a priest should not take a wife, if they do they will be cast out. However you can be a paedophile (it $hits me off that I know how to spell that word) and the church will protect you.

That being said, I have no problem with anyone belonging to any religion they wish. My three kids have the choice to believe in what they want, my eldest two don't believe in God, my youngest is in cubs and is taught some Christian things through there and he does and when my eldest two ask why, I say because he can.

Being a good person does not go hand in glove with being religious, despite what the religious would have you feel, some of the worst people in the world Adolf Hitler devout Christian who wanted to "cleanse the world of the Jewish" in the name of God, how many extreme Muslim factions have done harm to the world, or how many American Presidents, who all claim to be religious have ordered hits and civilian targets to win a battle?

Religion is unnecessary, just be good to people, treat them how you wish to be treated, if you have the tools to help someone, then help and bring your kids up well with respect and independent thinking.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2018 Rd 18: Post Game Partying: Carlton vs Gold Coast
Any win at this point in time is a good win, especially interstate. Make no mistakes though Gold Coast are putrid, they have to be to be that much worse than the team we had out there.

It was very interesting to see after we got ahead, the confidence levels went up across the side and the more daring kicks and play on's happened.

Jack - Poor kid is being moved around the ground and not being allowed to settle, I know it's out of necessity but once he is allowed to get serious midfield minutes we may have a Hird like player on our hands.

Dow - When he has his own size players around then Paddys class really stands out, he being trying to do this stuff all season to mixed results, but he's a star in the making.

Murph - Really put in, may be finding some fitness and game touch, lead well

O'Brien - Does the right things more often than not, he's no Elite star but a very good player in the making, runs all game, very tidy delivery and surprisingly will go inside and cop a whach when required.

SPS - Put Samo around guys his own size and age and you can see what you get, unfortunately not may midfields are that small. Great game but in the gym young man, 5KG and some 10 sprint work.

Simmo - nuf said

Kennedy - Starting to get of glimspe of what Mat can do, I hope for an full pre season and look out.

Cripps - (enter superlative here)

Harry - It's his strength and confidence in the contest that's holding him back. Not even 21 yet so has plenty of growth, and I have a feeling that we will hit our straps when Harry does

Lamb - A game, did what he had to and I don't remember any thing bad, apart from the goal, I don't remember that much god either.

Lang - Has goal sense and links up, but he is slower than I remember at Geelong, maybe that's the injury but again we need a healthy pre season from Darcy for next year.

Rowe - Very limited, was a decent match up on 2MP. I don't know why we didn't start with that.

Marchbank - Got better as the game went on, still a way off his last seasons performance. Needs to hit the gym this off season.

Weitering - Best game since 2017. Do Weiters and Marchbank play better with Jones' one man zone?

Lobbe - Was soundly beaten in the ruck, stats will say he wasn't taht far off in hit outs but a lot were to nothing. Nice follow up work but offered little around the ground.

Poulson - Another almost game, almost picked up the ball almost held the tackle etc. Has pure speed and desire two qualities that will keep him on the list or now but much improvement needed.

Charlie - Wish the umpires would pay the holding frees

Pickett - Hope we can get an Andrew Walker type back for next season, shows flashes but I want a Hawthorn 2017 performance every game.

Curnow - Decent game, you always know what you get effort wise, it's just the quality of skill that differs.

Byrne - Wasn't it great to have a line running half back? I've forgotten what that looks like. Can't wait for Docherty and Williamson to join in. Very good return and showed real strength.

Daisy - They say the end comes quickly, and it has here. Don't know if they can keep a spot for him on the list.

Wright - See Daisy.

 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn
Quote from: kruddler on

SPS has gone backwards this year. Not far backwards, be he's not the first player to have the second year blues. It's not a bad thing gives him a taste of reality that it takes hard work as well as talent.
Weitering has gone backwards also. Interesting that he has started to look much better over the last couple of weeks and I'd say is nearly back to Weitering of old, seems to preform better when he's the main gun down back.
OBrien is lacking any real influence on games at this stage. Is just a kid and has improved on what we first saw, right attitude and has a high football iq will be outstanding in years to come and if you can't see that ....
McKay is showing potential, but is lucky to touch the ball a handful of times in 2 hours of football. Is very young and is developing, needs a few more years to really match it with key defenders, but again took 8 marks on the weekend.
Cunningham has plenty of question marks on him. Has some question marks on him but the best of him is what we are lacking, straight line attacking player with pace and a willingness to get his own ball
Jack has just been moved to his 3rd (of 3) part of the ground in an attempt to find him a role. How many 4th round picks make it?
Kerr is having very limited influence on games How many 4th round picks make it
Polsen is far from convincing and lucky to get a contract extension. Played his best game against Hawthorn and may have needed that block of games to gain confidence, is fast, tough (knocked out and still played on) and a very willing tackler, under 10 games.
Macreadie and Williamson have question marks on their body. This is laughable - Williamson is still growing much the same as Harry did in his first season and was doing weights putting pressure on his spine. 15 games in his first year and a hot spot on his back so the club did the right thing and shut him down. Macreadie again was young and possibly still growing while doing weights and has been having hamstring problems which again are connected to the back and if still growing will create problems.
DeKoning and Schumacher haven't fired a shot yet. Schumacher was BOG in the 2s and in his first year DeKoning is a big man playing behind other young bigs.

How you could write anyone off yet, or even suggest it is beyond me. That being said I hold fears ATM for Jack and Kerr and would think that if they weren't who they are they wouldn't have played half the amount of games they had.

Fisher and Curnowfides, definite hits.
Dow is looking good without looking great.


I'd lock in 3 out of 15 at this stage.
The other 12 will most likely give us some players, but i guarantee some of them will be a bust.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2018 Rd 18: Pre Game Passion: Carlton vs Gold Coast
Looking at the few positives from the Hawthorn game, Kennedy looked to be the player we wanted, playing tough uncompromising football with some skill and Poulson looked significantly better and got involved in the play more, played his heart out. Harry took 8 marks around the ground, just needed to kick at least two goals but still less than 10 games.

Lobbe has to go, Casboult stays as a decoy unfortunately and with Fisher/Jones gone, I would like to see a touch more run off half back, Lang and Lamb in for Fisher & Jones with Kruezer replacing Lobbe, I hope they leave Weitering as the main backman with Marchbank and surround them with runners take the game on, run hard and in waves. If we lose so what at least go out trying to win rather than stopping them. Play the extra back and surge forward.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2019 - What do you expect from the club?
Quote from: Inboltswetrust on
What a load of poppycock!   Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS.  They are worse than ours, and with better players out.  I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better.  Kerridge a 'B' grader?  You are kidding me.  Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?

There are other sides that have injuries, granted but sometimes it's not what is out, it's what is left. GWS has quality left, but again this is a side that has played in the last 2 prelim finals and where do they sit now? 10th and looking to miss finals, but I'm sure their injuries had no effect ::)

Where as we finished bottom 3 last year and have had the most games missed through injury of any club, so to explain this to you, we were already on the bottom and have lost a lot of players to injury who would have helped, they were a top 4 side who have now dropped out of the finals, so I'm afraid you're the one smoking stuff.

Casboult - Who a better forward Levi or Kruezer? So yes he would have made the side better and Kerridge, I believe if you read the post again it say at his best he is a B grader but he is a hard body around the ball an area where we deficient in.

I also note that you made no mention of losing an entire backline to injury, but never let facts get in the way of your argument.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2019 - What do you expect from the club?
I read this thread and I question what is the most obvious reason we are where we are right now, long term injuries!

Murphy, Kennedy, Kruezer, McKay, Kerridge, Docherty, Lang, Rowe, Plowman, Garlett, Marchbank, Macreadie, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Philips, Byrne, Casboult, A.Silvagni. That's 19 players who are considered to be in our plans to be top 30 players.

Please explain to me how Carlton, a developing side, can cover this amount of disruption to their list and still be competitive?

Defence - The so called media experts have asked the question how we went from a side who was hard to play & score against to where we are now. I give them;

Docherty - AA HBF, who organises the defense and was an on field coach. Irreplaceable.
Williamson - 15 games last season, from a first year player who hopefully would have progressed in his second season no games.
Byrne - Supposed to give run off half back with a long penetrating kick, strong body also. No impact
Marchbank - Hardly been available with a few injuries through the pre season and ongoing injury in season.
Plowman - Was rumoured to be playing injured, but through our lack of options kept going, now out for a month so far.
Rowe - Coming off an ACL with limited pre season and looks to have lost what touch he did have.
Macreadie - Showed promise as a shut down no nonsense defender, had decent disposal and did not seemed rushed. Again needs some more time but no games
A.Silvagni - That senior head down back to give us some toughness, but again crueled by injury.

That's 7 players who if available would have definitely helped and made a real difference. Instead we've had to drop Daisy, Lamb and Jack back while playing duds like Mullet and O'Shea. It's got so bad that we have dropped Murphy to a half back flank to give us good use off HBF. In doing so we lost his run through the middle into HFF.

Midfield;

Murphy - Missed over 50% of games, in a team bereft of experience and quality ball use, now running off half back just so we can get the ball forward of centre.
Kennedy - No pre season and then a foot injury that we didn't well at all has robbed him of a successful first year at Carlton. We are just see Matt get his groove now as the season is finished.
Kruezer - In and out of the side due to injury, mismanaged and not effective due to playing hurt.
Kerridge - A seasoned body to help protect others, not an A grader but a solid B when playing at his best.
Lang - Real pace and beautiful skills but again, no pre season and hasn't found form because of it.
Cuningham - Would be getting a game with our lack of midfield depth, tried off HB because we had no run but he is a midfielder and is Dow like with his pick ups in traffic.
Philips - Saw in the one game what he does for us, I thought he was better than Ryder after he found his game rhythm and would of helped when Kruezer was out or should have been out.

Forwards;

McKay - A few injuries and illnesses have prevented Harry from playing more, plus a bias against him that doesn't seen to apply to others on the list.
Garlett - Looked to be a pressure forward in the practise matches but a dislocated should and other minor injuries have stopped him getting the feel back for AFL footy.
Pickett - Look at the Hawthorn game last season to see what we missed, his fist game back his pace and skill set up Charlies first two goals but missing half the season to a broken wrist robbed us.
Casboult - While 2018 hasn't been his year before injuries Levi is still takes a big defender allowing Charlie to get more one on ones.

This is the reason we are where we are, a team at our level of rebuilding cannot afford to have so many missing pieces and then shuffle players around to fill gaps. I've said before our forward line should have Pickett, Fisher and Garlett in it, getting fed by Levi, Charlie and Harry, instead Fisher is having to play serious midfield minutes with  Pickett and Garlett being injured and out of form.

Just by having Docherty, Williamson and Marchbank healthy all season, we win 2/3 of our "honourable losses".

Our side is not broken, we have not got our rebuild wrong as sooo many of the D-Head media say, they look at simply who we have on field, not who we are missing. I have actually stopped streaming SEN (apart from Mahers show) because I've gotten sick of ignorant media performers who have no idea where our list is making uneducated comments on the state of our rebuild.

These are the same people who said that Richmond was a basket case and Hardwick should be sacked just two years ago. That Buckley had to go just last season, now look who the top 2 teams are, so why are we listening to them now?

Stick fat, we don't need to throw this rebuild out, we do need to add some more quality in there, we do need a bit of luck with injury and we need to question the medical department as they have made some very questionable decisions this season. Get Lukocius , no team that has ever traded away the No 1 or 2 pick has won the trade, draft/trade 2/3 mids. We will still get them at 24/28 and maybe a free agent and we will do much better in 2018.

If we can have this set up in 2019 then look for 8-10 wins

Willamson Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty

SPS Cripps Murphy
Kruezer Kennedy Dow

Lukocius Charlie Fisher
Garlett McKay Pickett

Simpson Ed Lang Levi

E - O'Brien, Cuningham, Macreadie