- Beat Essendon twice
- Beat all the other sides we should (Saints, Bulldogs)
- Close the gap between our best and worst
- Improved goal kicking.
- And finishing 5-8 would be a pass for mine. We're not premiership material nor top four material but to make 5-8 of our own accord would be grouse.
Yours?
- Beat Essendon twice
- Beat all the other sides we should (Saints, Bulldogs)
- Close the gap between our best and worst
- Improved goal kicking.
- And finishing 5-8 would be a pass for mine. We're not premiership material nor top four material but to make 5-8 of our own accord would be grouse.
Excellent points. As well as goal kicking efficiency, I want to improve on our defensive game, which showed good signs early on. All top sides are measly at giving away goals.
Hence why I think we really need Delaney. A genuine KPD.
Release Henderson up forward and get Boyd.
Menzel locked in the 22.
Graham and Buckley given more game time.
Touchy given time further up the field kicking pin point to forwards or goals himself.
Daisy causing mischief.
And I want genuine accountability by making no one's spot safe. Drop any bastard who does not perform and encourage minimum expectations. No more nice guy.
That's what I want.
Pass mark? Improvement on this year.
In season - beat Essendumb twice, a win against the Hawks would be nice too !!
End of season - Finish better off than we did this year, more than 11 wins, higher than 8th on the Ladder and at least 2 finals wins. That would mean playing in a least a prelim.
Yep. Nothing less than a preliminary final appearance.
I want to see our final list before making any predictions or decisions..
The ultimate pass mark would be a flag. I've never been able to celebrate one properly. Last time we were premiers I was about 14. :(
Imagine if we won one these days. :D
Prelim.
- Beat Essendon twice
With luck Essendon won't be able to field a side!
- Beat all the other sides we should (Saints, Bulldogs)
- Close the gap between our best and worst
Essential.
- Improved goal kicking.
Indeed, especially guys like Casboult who plays as a KPP.
- And finishing 5-8 would be a pass for mine. We're not premiership material nor top four material but to make 5-8 of our own accord would be grouse.
I disagree - if Murphy, Gibbs, Judd, Jamo, Yarran, Thomas, Hendo, Garlett, Walker, Special K all have good years and we are 'lucky' injury wise, why is top 4 out of the question?
Yours?
I want to see our final list before making any predictions or decisions..
I agree we need to see what we have on the field before we can make any predictions.
I want to see our final list before making any predictions or decisions..
exactly
The same thing I want every year.
Good performances (wins are better) against the top 4 contenders in finals type matches i.e. when it goes up a notch we go up a notch instead of falling away.
Beating Richmond does not cut it, they are as flaky and fall away just like us in the big games.
Hawks, Freo, Sydney and whoever the top 4 side is that takes Geelongs spot is.
These are pretty much the only sides who matter.
Play these guys at their own game and I know we are on the right track, if not, it's all window dressing.
We have to beat Hawthorn
Think we'll slide, tbh.
Essendon, Roos, GC all coming up hot - Roos in particular could be this years Richmond.
Port, Pies to slide with us.
A Top 8 finish next year would be a great effort.
Some development in Temay, Cachia, Cas, Menzel, Yarran, Gibbs, Murf and McInnes would be good too.
Just on the goalkicking. Was reading on TC that one of the possible reasons for our terrible accuracy is the post height at visy park. The afl changed the height of the posts at all venues and visy park still has the old format. Surely this needs to be changed .
Think we'll slide, tbh.
Essendon, Roos, GC all coming up hot - Roos in particular could be this years Richmond.
Port, Pies to slide with us.
A Top 8 finish next year would be a great effort.
Some development in Temay, Cachia, Cas, Menzel, Yarran, Gibbs, Murf and McInnes would be good too.
Lol - essendon. I reckon They'll be lucky if they can field a side on account of the reported IN's. Lets not forget their football department is empty and that the blonde haired spectre will be looming large for 12 months in the back ground.
I don't think we will see much improvement from the Roos. They have had 4 seasons of being on the verge and blown it each and everytime with the same playing group.
The kangaroos are an interesting prospect. Two of their best players are nearing the end but as a whole they were competitive with the best sides this year. Certainly beat better quality opposition than we did. We were very lucky not to get rolled by them.
The same thing I want every year.
Good performances (wins are better) against the top 4 contenders in finals type matches i.e. when it goes up a notch we go up a notch instead of falling away.
Beating Richmond does not cut it, they are as flaky and fall away just like us in the big games.
Hawks, Freo, Sydney and whoever the top 4 side is that takes Geelongs spot is.
These are pretty much the only sides who matter.
Play these guys at their own game and I know we are on the right track, if not, it's all window dressing.
Yep. Seriously challenge the better sides on a consistent basis which would surely lead to a higher finish on the ladder. I'd be happy with top 6.
Finals. We're a little bit off the pace and missing parts.
A pass would be putting together a list that can seriously challenge for the flag for the next 5-10 years. No more stopgap measures.
The best trades will be with the two new team
They are swimming with talent
talent seasoned by a year or two
These teams need experience.
Best avenue for an early pick with some of the hard development work done
I think we need to pick up three or four young guys into our list
then stack the Rookie list with prospective talent.
Think we'll slide, tbh.
Essendon, Roos, GC all coming up hot - Roos in particular could be this years Richmond.
Port, Pies to slide with us.
A Top 8 finish next year would be a great effort.
Some development in Temay, Cachia, Cas, Menzel, Yarran, Gibbs, Murf and McInnes would be good too.
I cant agree.
There is a lot of time to pass till the beginning of next season, and injury during pre season will have as big a say with how a team goes as well as how they recruit.
We are improving. I guarantee that we will not fall away further than we did this season at worst, and at best will be up around the 4th/5th mark. Our best players did not perform all that well for us this season, and our worst players did similar. Very few players had a good year, and we showed signs of significant strides forward as a group and all this without the players really doing much that we have off loaded. We look to be bringing in some genuine improvement, and dont appear to be losing significantly. It can only go up not down.
At present, I can see
Sydney going backwards. They are losing a few elder statesmen who drive the culture down there, as well as some handy depth types who keep them winning when players go down and appear to have put their eggs all in the one basket (or two with Tippett). No more Mumford who is a good ruck for them, and all of a sudden Mike Pyke is going to have to stand up more frequently. He has done well thus far as a convert, but he has not had to shoulder such a significant load as he will this season.
Hawthorn also look to be sliding. Couple a premiership (complacency) with the loss of Franklin and Bailey and they are significantly weakened in the key positions. The stat that Hawthorn fare better without Buddy is another that is filled with hot air, as they play more often with him than without him and when they play without him they often do it against "weaker" opposition. I.e. He wouldnt miss many games against Geelong, but he would against Western Bulldogs or the like.
Geelong will more than likely be up there, but they could just as easily fall away. They are another year older as a collective, and are moving on some players that usually stand up for them in a fairly big way. They could go up or down at present, and they are yet to recruit anyone, but Im assuming that they have enough quality coming through that will stand up in the absence of the guys they are losing. They might be due for a flatter year though this season.
Freo are interesting. A few ageing players, and a couple that had a terrible grand final can result in decreased faith in ability to get there and they may actually slide a little on the back of the missed opportuntiy they had this season. They should still finish top 4 though as there are some real questions over the rest of the competition.
Collingwood have turfed half of their senior regulars and will probably finish about 8th. They might scrape in or finish 10th, but they will not be strong next season. Losing far too much leadership but will be buoyed with youngsters so they may not fall too far with the softer draw.
Tigers will do similar to Collingwood, but they are in for a rude shock as they have lost a few decent performers and are not being proactive. The Martin distraction will hurt them this off season. Without a bit of natural improvement and developement they are in real danger of going backwards next season.
Big movers next year: Adelaide and West Coast. Soft draws, and the return of injured players. Both are better than how they fared this season.
The rest will be real question marks. Its hard to see what else will happen given so many tight games this season. Im expecting GWS to really jump up next year, although they will only finish about 10-12 they will cause a bit of a ruckus. The Saints will be spooners next year. Going backwards at light speed. No upside either. Melbourne are another who might initially tread water down there, or jump up to about 12th but its really difficult. The roos effect will cause as much grief as it will improvement and they seem to be sitting on their hands a bit also.
The only thing Im forecasting is a changing of the guard at the top and middle of the ladder. The top 4 will see more change than usual, and likewise the overall 8 will too. The last 8 years have been fairly consistent with some regular finals contenders, but there looks to be a lot of scope for change next year and we could slingshot into the top 4 if things bounce our way.
Finishing sixth means we will get a harder draw next season.
Would be very pleased if we finish in the eight, win a final and don't drop any games to teams we should beat.
A realistic expectation for 2013 :would be a ladder finish between 6th-10th. This would all be subject to injury etc, we have an improved playing roster but are still missing a key position player or two.
I really want us to end some of our recent hoodoos:
[1] Beat Hawthorn - I don't care where.
[2] Beat Essendon twice. I'm tired of just coming up short against these zeroes. We should have beaten them so many more times, but have not been able to finish them off.
[3] Beat Geelong - they have managed to just get over us quite a lot lately, since we pantsed them at the MCG. I'd really like to see that again, even at Etihad, where conditions have traditionally not favoured us.
[4] Beat St. Kilda. Really beat St. Kilda. None of these Monday night screw ups like 2013.
[5] Beat Sydney, especially in Sydney or at Etihad.
[6] Beat Collingwood - get the monkey off our back and well and truly on to theirs.
I dont want to place a limit on what is achievable by labelling a pass mark on anything. I want the club to put its best foot forward, and then see where we land at the end of the year, and work towards bettering that moving forward.
No limits from me, just an expectation.
It's a flag or nothing!
A realistic expectation for 2013 :would be a ladder finish between 6th-10th. This would all be subject to injury etc, we have an improved playing roster but are still missing a key position player or two.
It's like you're able to look into the past and tell us what happened :P
Holly cow, so many listing the ladder position as the dependent variable with injuries as an independent variable!
Ladder position(y) depends on injuries(x)!
Brett Ratten must be choking on a latte right at this minute, or at least he would have sensed a shiver run up his spine!
Brett Ratten must be choking on a latte right at this minute, or at least he would have sensed a shiver run up his spine!
I reckon if he made finals he would have kept his job even though the club wanted a top 4 finish, so injuries are a consideration. He may have even kept his job if we beat the Suns, wouldn't put it past our administration at all.
A strong showing in the finals.
I want to be able to go to games again with a high expectation and degree of confidence of winning! Not, as for the last too many years, a fear we are going to get flogged.
I want to be able to go to games again with a high expectation and degree of confidence of winning! Not, as for the last too many years, a fear we are going to get flogged.
1. Beat Hawthorn. I hate this mob so much. I want to see Hodge buried by Meat or Bell. Absolutely smashed. He's due for one. It's time we monstered a top 4 side. Especially this mob. Do that and you've won me over.
2. Top 5
3. Beat Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond.
4. Second week of finals.
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
Agree. But it's still time for Gibbs to stand up ;)
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
Agree. But it's still time for Gibbs to stand up ;)
Gibbs will have a standout year and establish himself as an elite A grader in the competition... then he'll get poached via Free Agency at the end of the year. ::)
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
Agree. But it's still time for Gibbs to stand up ;)
Gibbs will have a standout year and establish himself as an elite A grader in the competition... then he'll get poached via Free Agency at the end of the year. ::)
Yep, to the Crows. Can spot it a mile away.
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
Agree. But it's still time for Gibbs to stand up ;)
Gibbs will have a standout year and establish himself as an elite A grader in the competition... then he'll get poached via Free Agency at the end of the year. ::)
Make him captain :p
Holly cow, so many listing the ladder position as the dependent variable with injuries as an independent variable!
Ladder position(y) depends on injuries(x)!
Brett Ratten must be choking on a latte right at this minute, or at least he would have sensed a shiver run up his spine!
It's a fair summation because no-one can predict what will happen on the injury front and it will have a strong bearing on where the team finishes.
6th - no injuries
8th - some injuries across the season
10th - heavy and ongoing casualties
Top 8 would be a good result....I dont see the top teams falling away like some do....
Malthouse worried me when he mentioned Simon White being played forward....think we will have problems kicking goals
re: Gibbs....probably will step up so he can ask for some big dollars being a free agent at years end. I remain skeptical about his ability to play consistent top line football and influence games...
I expect to lose one of Walker or Gibbs.......given what Goddard got at Essendon I dont see us being able to keep both on what will be similar offerings to Goddard....
Sheik is that just an example or are you suggesting we should finish between 6th and 10th depending on injuries ? Surely we should be good enough to finish above 6th if everything works our way this season. If not we may fail to meet a pass mark before we start. 6th won't do me if we have a good list to choose from. I don't even want to think about 10th unless we are targeting some good talent in the draft next time around with picks. We either see serious improved performances and game plan or we fail. Players either step up or we trade them for better cattle.
Sheik is that just an example or are you suggesting we should finish between 6th and 10th depending on injuries ? Surely we should be good enough to finish above 6th if everything works our way this season.
Yes, that is what I'm saying.
I still don't think we have the exact playing list we need to go further into the finals and until we do, we are going to be in the bottom half of the 8 at best.
For us to do better, then one of the better teams has to have a stinker of a season and I just can't see them doing that right at the moment.
Freo, Sydney, Hawks, Pies & Cats are all quality outfits and we have to be at our best to beat them hence the reason why 6th is my best placing. There are a handful of other teams (North, Port, Tigers & Crows) who will around our level as well.
Top 8 would be a good result....I dont see the top teams falling away like some do....
Malthouse worried me when he mentioned Simon White being played forward....think we will have problems kicking goals
re: Gibbs....probably will step up so he can ask for some big dollars being a free agent at years end. I remain skeptical about his ability to play consistent top line football and influence games...
I expect to lose one of Walker or Gibbs.......given what Goddard got at Essendon I dont see us being able to keep both on what will be similar offerings to Goddard....
Rumors remain strong Bryce has a desire to head home, but if he wants to do so he needs to put in a blinder to up his going rate!
Top 8 would be a good result....I dont see the top teams falling away like some do....
Malthouse worried me when he mentioned Simon White being played forward....think we will have problems kicking goals
re: Gibbs....probably will step up so he can ask for some big dollars being a free agent at years end. I remain skeptical about his ability to play consistent top line football and influence games...
I expect to lose one of Walker or Gibbs.......given what Goddard got at Essendon I dont see us being able to keep both on what will be similar offerings to Goddard....
Rumors remain strong Bryce has a desire to head home, but if he wants to do so he needs to put in a blinder to up his going rate!
If its Gibbs out...then its David " Visy" Mundy in....
I find it hard to set a benchmark, because the game is changing so fast and good performance targets set now might be irrelevant by April 2014
We have picked up some good talent and those we have lost are not costly.
We did not get the Tall KP Back we needed!
Nick Duigan's case has to be bad management!
the Management of the club has to be under the spotlight. The web site does not show the new players yet. No big deal, but it indicates a slackness. Sticks should be kept on the board but we need stronger decisive leadership for the club to go further.
Top 8 would be a good result....I dont see the top teams falling away like some do....
Malthouse worried me when he mentioned Simon White being played forward....think we will have problems kicking goals
re: Gibbs....probably will step up so he can ask for some big dollars being a free agent at years end. I remain skeptical about his ability to play consistent top line football and influence games...
I expect to lose one of Walker or Gibbs.......given what Goddard got at Essendon I dont see us being able to keep both on what will be similar offerings to Goddard....
Rumors remain strong Bryce has a desire to head home, but if he wants to do so he needs to put in a blinder to up his going rate!
Care to let us know where these strong rumours emanate from?
Mick was given three years.
Given the adage you need to lose one to win one, We need to be playing off in the Big one this year.
Anything else is a fail.
5. Our squad needs to improve across the board, not just the usual "it's time for Gibbs to stand up" nonsense. Across the board improvement will allow everyone to feed off each other and excel collectively.
Agree. But it's still time for Gibbs to stand up ;)
Gibbs will have a standout year and establish himself as an elite A grader in the competition... then he'll get poached via Free Agency at the end of the year. ::)
Let's be realistic.....unless we are seriously on the up he is gone for bigger bucks than we can offer.
Care to let us know where these strong rumours emanate from?
Adelaide of course!
Although in fairness to the current rumors the last time he renewed his contract with us he also allegedly meet in Adelaide with officials from the Crows. After he re-signed he had stated he had no intention of leaving, perhaps he just went to the Crows office to tell them no!
I wonder what Ross Gibbs is doing these days?
Care to let us know where these strong rumours emanate from?
Adelaide of course!
Although in fairness to the current rumors the last time he renewed his contract with us he also allegedly meet in Adelaide with officials from the Crows. After he re-signed he had stated he had no intention of leaving, perhaps he just went to the Crows office to tell them no!
I wonder what Ross Gibbs is doing these days?
If the Crows pick up Gibbs via FA, they'll have a lot of trouble fitting Betts, Dangerfield, Sloane and Walker under the salary cap.
Mick was given three years.
Given the adage you need to lose one to win one, We need to be playing off in the Big one this year.
Anything else is a fail.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
Mick was given three years.
Given the adage you need to lose one to win one, We need to be playing off in the Big one this year.
Anything else is a fail.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
Have you got him set up for failure?? ;)
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
Sheik is that just an example or are you suggesting we should finish between 6th and 10th depending on injuries ? Surely we should be good enough to finish above 6th if everything works our way this season.
Yes, that is what I'm saying.
I still don't think we have the exact playing list we need to go further into the finals and until we do, we are going to be in the bottom half of the 8 at best.
For us to do better, then one of the better teams has to have a stinker of a season and I just can't see them doing that right at the moment.
Freo, Sydney, Hawks, Pies & Cats are all quality outfits and we have to be at our best to beat them hence the reason why 6th is my best placing. There are a handful of other teams (North, Port, Tigers & Crows) who will around our level as well.
Its hard to argue with you when you put it that way. I'm hoping Collingwood slips a little, along with the Cats. Then maybe we have a chance to do something.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
You may be right Sheik but, if we don't, it will be a monumental failure and an indictment on the Club's management.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
You may be right Sheik but, if we don't, it will be a monumental failure and an indictment on the Club's management.
I think we can accept that things didn't go to plan. Just a question of where to from here.
::)
Don't give up hope just yet. We are not Richmond or The Bulldogs. Even Melbourne are looking at hope for the future. Let us play like dogs before we treat them as such. Lets look with hope that we are on the up before we give up hope. Being realistic is one thing, but if we give up hope we are better off supporting the Giants. The season hasn't started just yet so lets hope for something better, and believe now before the wrecking ball swings before we give it all up. Our list isn't that bad, and our coach isn't a clown in a three ring circus just yet. Our picks and pick ups are different to what we have seen before, so surely things will change. Won't they ??? :-\
Playing in a GF next year is a Pipedream. More so a wank than a Pipedream. We will probably need a lot to go right to even make the eight.
Don't give up hope just yet. We are not Richmond or The Bulldogs. Even Melbourne are looking at hope for the future. Let us play like dogs before we treat them as such. Lets look with hope that we are on the up before we give up hope. Being realistic is one thing, but if we give up hope we are better off supporting the Giants. The season hasn't started just yet so lets hope for something better, and believe now before the wrecking ball swings before we give it all up. Our list isn't that bad, and our coach isn't a clown in a three ring circus just yet. Our picks and pick ups are different to what we have seen before, so surely things will change. Won't they ??? :-\
Right there with you, Green Stick.
When you factor in only two real howlers this year (Doggies game in particular) and that the new coach admitting he did not understand the abilities/potentials of his group for the first 4-6 weeks and that we were always making up for 2 or 3 non-hackers on the paddock in most weeks, then I believe there is plenty of room for cautious optimism for 2014.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'd rather them reevaluate based on what they've seen rather than what was expected under a different coach with over a quarter of the list different from when he got here. Not fair but better than them chasing something that isn't realistic.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'm looking for improvement.
2013 - 2nd week of finals
2014 - Play in a prelim final
2015 - play in a Grand final !!
If MM doesn't get close to achieving this, then it's likely bye bye MM, and we find a new coach to build a team without Judd, Waite, Scotland, Carrazzo and maybe Simpson.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'd rather them reevaluate based on what they've seen rather than what was expected under a different coach with over a quarter of the list different from when he got here. Not fair but better than them chasing something that isn't realistic.
But they were not happy to re-evaluate when top 4 was expected and jobs were lost because it didn't happen?
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'd rather them reevaluate based on what they've seen rather than what was expected under a different coach with over a quarter of the list different from when he got here. Not fair but better than them chasing something that isn't realistic.
But they were not happy to re-evaluate when top 4 was expected and jobs were lost because it didn't happen?
No way they'd admit it publicly but I wonder if they regret their decision at all, or if they're happy where things are at?
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'm looking for improvement.
2013 - 2nd week of finals
2014 - Play in a prelim final
2015 - play in a Grand final !!
If MM doesn't get close to achieving this, then it's likely bye bye MM, and we find a new coach to build a team without Judd, Waite, Scotland, Carrazzo and maybe Simpson.
I think we need to make a prelim..... or better.
Time for some of these wannabees to stand up and deliver.
I think we need to make a prelim..... or better.
Time for some of these wannabees to stand up and deliver.
Making a prelim sounds great but I feel we are still a little bit off that pace at present.
That's my benchmark too Shadesy. Malthouse was employed to win a flag and we have to make this season's GF to have a realistic chance in 2015. Of course, we could exceed expectations and get the job done in 2014 and 2015 :)
The only way we will make the Grand Final in 2014 is if we do a "Bradbury" as others fall around us unexpectedly.
I'm not the one setting the pass mark. I am more realistic, but the Management and board saw fit to bring in a premiership coach to win a flag and gave him 3 years to do it.
I'm looking for improvement.
2013 - 2nd week of finals
2014 - Play in a prelim final
2015 - play in a Grand final !!
If MM doesn't get close to achieving this, then it's likely bye bye MM, and we find a new coach to build a team without Judd, Waite, Scotland, Carrazzo and maybe Simpson.
@Amers, totally agree with you. I just don't think we are good enough to achieve that. But what would i know anyway.
And around in a circle we go again. Carlton's problem is they have fark all patience and too much money. Piss one coach off, pay him out, bring another in, and when success doesn't happen overnight, repeat it all over again. I'm still spewin over Wayne Brittain FFS.
The way we're going, we are going to be just like Richmond with the way they have gone through coach after coach. Hardwick got re-signed the other day, and believe it or not, his contract until the end of 2015 I think it is will make him their longest serving coach since Tom Hafey!
I think we need to make a prelim..... or better.
Time for some of these wannabees to stand up and deliver.
Making a prelim sounds great but I feel we are still a little bit off that pace at present.
Who knows..... if you win the crunch games (or most of them) during the H & A and get a top 4 finish anything is possible?
And around in a circle we go again. Carlton's problem is they have fark all patience and too much money. Piss one coach off, pay him out, bring another in, and when success doesn't happen overnight, repeat it all over again. I'm still spewin over Wayne Brittain FFS.
The way we're going, we are going to be just like Richmond with the way they have gone through coach after coach. Hardwick got re-signed the other day, and believe it or not, his contract until the end of 2015 I think it is will make him their longest serving coach since Tom Hafey!
Unfortunately sad, but true!
2014 is the year that MM has to show pretty much everyone that he is the right person to lead us to a flag. Players, supporters and the president and board.
What level of success he requires to show that I'm not sure. He had plenty of doubters and even haters amongst the supporter group in 2013, lets hope he can show everyone in 2014 that he is the right person for the job !!