And the winner is ...
Umpires ruined a good game of footy today.
I know Setterfield got a good run, but did he get a front on, head high right at the finish??
Our problem was kicking goals but stopping the other mob kicking them. Help that we not "kick" those goals for them at times.
Ironic that our two losing games we kick 100.
Demons certainly deserved the win. They were the better team for 3 quarters. Terrible skills by both teams. Great effort by Silvagni and Casboult, at least early on.
One quarter of football not good enough. Too many passengers. Too many lacking basic skills. Turnovers killed us again.
On to our second coach and we still look like a pack of hacks for most of the game.
Mantis
That was probably our last chance of a win this season. I guess we hand over pick 2 to the Crows.
Gold Coast at home has to be a chance for one and St. Kilda another, plus pulled out one unexpected. They believe they can win now and without the guns......
One quarter of football not good enough. Too many passengers. Too many lacking basic skills. Turnovers killed us again.
On to our second coach and we still look like a pack of hacks for most of the game.
But, but..............
Never mind.
Who was McGovern decoying for today? :-\
Mantis
That was probably our last chance of a win this season. I guess we hand over pick 2 to the Crows.
Gold Coast at home has to be a chance for one and St. Kilda another, plus pulled out one unexpected. They believe they can win now and without the guns......
It's better to watch when we are scoring but we have to find the right balance of attack and defence. The two games we've lost we've kicked 100, so the balance hasn't been there then, the two we've won we've kicked 11, all in the last 3 qtrs. We'll win a few and get better as the season goes but it took a while to put our attitude into shape today. Can't allow that.
I know Setterfield got a good run, but did he get a front on, head high right at the finish??
Front on contact to the face. What would be the problem with that?
Went to the airport to pick up a MacGovern.... Time to play Kerr.
Who was McGovern decoying for today? :-\
He'll be good for us but next week Harry replaces him. Can't be playing like that. Now he's not even kicking straight, his best asset. Carlton do that to you..lol.
He doesn't look fit at all. Need to sort that to start with.
Who was McGovern decoying for today? :-\
Teacher's pet.
Mantis
That was probably our last chance of a win this season. I guess we hand over pick 2 to the Crows.
Gold Coast at home has to be a chance for one and St. Kilda another, plus pulled out one unexpected. They believe they can win now and without the guns......
If we keep starting slow and weak with efforts we won’t win any games soon. I heard the bang today. I hope the players heard the same.
If we keep starting slow and weak with efforts we won’t win any games soon. I heard the bang today. I hope the players heard the same.
What will happen when we play one of the better sides and start poorly is they'll keep going on with it and it won't be pretty.
No doubt it's a concern for Teague and Co.
How you fix something like that is a coaching challenge that will earn him extra points if he can rectify it.
If we keep starting slow and weak with efforts we won’t win any games soon. I heard the bang today. I hope the players heard the same.
Cost us 2 wins those starts. Gave
two starts to the Dogs. After qtr time we have no issue kicking goals but we need to be on it from the start. Could've been 4-0. Take a while to get the right balance of this game style sorted out and will be better by year's end as we get the hang of it. Help too if we could stop kicking it to the opposition.
When we finally learn to play four quarters, not just one, we'll be far better. Rather obvious comment. That was dismal and for maybe three players, your careers are over.
Getting into the habit of starting in 1st gear and not warming up for half the game. It's a game killer.
Some stepped up. Ed his usual strong effort and Walsh. Casboult, MK, and SOJ were flying the flag with few mates for a while then Setterfield, Murphy, and Kennedy chipped in.
What was going on with our usually very good defense ????. Jonesy looked dazed in the first half.
Our young mids didn't hold up for 2q. Not unexpectedly after the WA game. Left it to too few and then it was too late despite the rotation advantage.
Lang needs to send his pay back to the club and p$%& off back to Geelong. Enough is enough.
Whilst I noticed McG bringing ball to ground and shepherding occasionally, he's just not right. Not sure if its the ever-changing personnel or what, but geez when your top forward misses what he missed today, it kills team confidence.
I'm on the Bellarine and we don't want Lang either.
I'm on the Bellarine and we don't want Lang either.
Best he look for another career eh!
I remained hopeful but .... he's failed imo
No sign In 2s or 1s that he's prepared to work for a living.
And just how many teams would have a 3 / 12 WL record and have a percentage in the 80s?
Lang needs to send his pay back to the club and p$%& off back to Geelong. Enough is enough.
We obviously lack something to get the best out of players like Smedts and Lang when they were at the Handbaggers!
What's in the water down there ProfE? ;)
ATM? Flathead and good, really good calamari.
What's Fisher done to be hammered at every contest? Pretty ugly by Lewis... Kind of like Hawthorn. Slow, on borrowed time and dirty as all get out.
Boy are we light on in the midfield.
SOS, Get in Coniglio and a b grade mid and we would have won 4 in a row.
Way too many kids in the midfield. They just can’t play at the desired level for 4 quarters. We carry too many too often to be a decent afl team.
We obviously lack something to get the best out of players like SMedts and Lang when they were at the Handbaggers!
What's in the water down there ProfE? ;)
A stable list of quality, experienced players. And calamari. Yummo.
Who was McGovern decoying for today? :-\
It’s our delivery into the forward line that’s the issue
It’s either bombed in high or we are running back towards goal which doesn’t work with our disposal
Where are our lead up forwards taking the ball out in front on their chest. We are the only team that struggles to hit a forward on the lead. Dow a prime example in the 1st today
What's Fisher done to be hammered at every contest? Pretty ugly by Lewis... Kind of like Hawthorn. Slow, on borrowed time and dirty as all get out.
Not just Fisher, the Dees have given up on success with this list and their bunch of hacks are playing to extend their careers. Umpiring is supposed to put an end to this rubbish, but they ignore blokes being smashed off the ball and pay tickles in contested marking contests.
Poor DE% by Walsh, Lang and Plowman doesn't help, they either disadvantage team-mates or just hot potato the football! It sets up team-mates to be poleaxed!
SoJ's best game by some margin, really showed heart and composure against big bodied opponents.
Simpson's last kick straight to Oliver..............sigh.
My issue with McGovern playing is not so much with the player himself.
It's to do with his continued selection in light of his output.
He had a very interrupted pre-season, and has had other injuries through the year.
His timing at times when going for marks just seems to be out.
With a good run over the off-season we may see a better version in 2020.
But just now with not a lot to play for, we should be perhaps looking at others like Kerr who we may have to make a decision about at the end of the year.
Out muscled, out bustled and out hustled for three quarters and then the switch was flicked- WTF???
Almost called it a day at 3Q time. McGovern definitely needs a spell and for 3 qtrs at least our overall skill execution was awful. Jack fast becoming my favorite player. True G&D imo. Disappointing loss no doubt but a bit of light there to work with.
My issue with McGovern playing is not so much with the player himself.
It's to do with his continued selection in light of his output.
He had a very interrupted pre-season, and has had other injuries through the year.
His timing at times when going for marks just seems to be out.
With a good run over the off-season we may see a better version in 2020.
But just now with not a lot to play for, we should be perhaps looking at others like Kerr who may have to make a decision about at the end of the year.
I don't mind this idea. I'm not convinced that the midfield delivery is the issue with McGovern. That midfield delivery hasn't stopped Charlie, Levi or Harry getting among the goals.
Mr T said in his presser that the GOV is very good at organising and helping out our small temp forwards ....... lol
How long does Dow continue to get a game when his stats consistently match what Polson delivered.
Surely a stint in the 2nds can’t hurt him and might just be what he needs. At the lower level he will get his hands on the ball more and have more time when he has it.
Hard to practice on his disposal when your only touching it half a dozen times a game.
Fishers development as well has stalled. Just doesn’t get it enough to be damaging. Had massive hope for him but like Dow doesn’t go hard enough when he doesn’t have the ball.
Jack may never reach the high levels of his 'ancestors' but the kid is Carlton to his bones.
He always plays like it really means something to him, and gives a total effort.
When he goes to a contest you know he'll give it his very best.
At the moment he's starting to reap a reward for his efforts.
Smashed in the middle for most of the game, not sure how you can blame the forwards?
SPS, Dow, Fisher, Setterfield all high draft picks and all crap today.
Always interesting to reread the Pre Match comments after a game like this. I think that if we had said that after a road trip from Perth the week before, still without our guns, that we’d kick 100 points and that the game would be in the balance with 2 mins to go, most Pre Match ‘Commentators’ would have taken that!
Jack was solid again today and yes you can bank on 100% effort.
His time in the 2's has allowed him to add a few strings to his footy IQ bow. Becoming a reliable and versatile contributor.
Smashed in the middle for most of the game, not sure how you can blame the forwards?
SPS, Dow, Fisher, Setterfield all high draft picks and all crap today.
Agree, we couldnt get the ball today, numbers were down and when you add Lang and Obrien its a worry.
Dow has had two weeks now with under double figure possies and for one of your main mids thats not good enough, its time for a spell in the twos.
I'd have Deluca in next game.
The other area of concern was no Gawn and we still got smashed in the ruck, Kreuzer was ok at ground level but the big hombre Preuss dominated him
in the hitouts and we need a bigger body to compete with these larger ruckman.
I'm on the Bellarine and we don't want Lang either.
Me too!
He showed a bit of promise in the NBs but just doesn’t seem able to match it at AFL level anymore. Geelong seem to have the knack of offloading cooked players ????
Nearly winning without Cripps, Harry, Charlie and Cunningham was encouraging. Alot wasn't though. Different, more attacking game plan is helping but with that you are exposed if you turn over the ball over, as we did too often. Still need to find the balance with defence and attack but hopefully that will come by years end. Also need to switch on at the first bounce.
Didn't really deserve to win but was disappointed when we hit the front and didn't hold it.
Me too!
He showed a bit of promise in the NBs but just doesn’t seem able to match it at AFL level anymore. Geelong seem to have the knack of offloading cooked players ????
He and Fasolo have been REALLY bad recruiting decisions.
We won the two games we weren't supposed to win. we beat Brisbane, who haven't been beaten since and has a good lead late on GWS in Sydney, as well as Freo in Perth, who were in the 8. Lost the 2 I thought we could win. Thought we could beat both the Dogs, although their form since has been excellent, more like their 2016 form, and Melbourne.
I don't know how Umpire #11 sleeps at night - Grade A Flog
How long does Dow continue to get a game when his stats consistently match what Polson delivered.
Surely a stint in the 2nds can’t hurt him and might just be what he needs. At the lower level he will get his hands on the ball more and have more time when he has it.
Hard to practice on his disposal when your only touching it half a dozen times a game.
Fishers development as well has stalled. Just doesn’t get it enough to be damaging. Had massive hope for him but like Dow doesn’t go hard enough when he doesn’t have the ball.
I’m hearing you Shawny, but who ya gunna bring in? Our depth and injuries limit us severely. Perhaps they pull the trigger on Deluca next week, would really like the Glass Man Cunningham to stand up, barely ever available this bloke, very frustrating >:(
He and Fasolo have been REALLY bad recruiting decisions.
Lang wasn't so good thus far, although we only gave pick 40, but Fasolo we got for nothing and was worth a shot to see if he had anything still as he could play. Having said that we use our picks in the 40s way better than we used to in the draft. Trying to get very good big bodies to the club though has been a tough task so we sometimes try to get what we can. Not so successful this time either.
How long does Dow continue to get a game when his stats consistently match what Polson delivered.
Surely a stint in the 2nds can’t hurt him and might just be what he needs. At the lower level he will get his hands on the ball more and have more time when he has it.
Hard to practice on his disposal when your only touching it half a dozen times a game.
Fishers development as well has stalled. Just doesn’t get it enough to be damaging. Had massive hope for him but like Dow doesn’t go hard enough when he doesn’t have the ball.
They shouldn't be trying to take the responsibility they do at the moment but choices are not there. They should be down the midfield pecking order playing outsides behind bigger bodies but that's not possible. Takes it's toll. Hopefully it does them good.
JON RALPH’S BEST
BLUES: Silvagni, Kreuzer, Casboult, Newman, Setterfield, Curnow, Murphy
JON RALPH’S BEST
BLUES: Silvagni, Kreuzer, Casboult, Newman, Setterfield, Curnow, Murphy
The run in defence has helped Casboult's confidence no end. I wasn't sure he was playing many more games.
Apologies for the long post, but these are my thoughts from watching at the G today:
1 Jack Silvagni. Outstanding game. First half in the midfield was very good. Second half as a forward was even better. Took contested marks today which is very important for his development, and kicked 3 goals. Definitely in our best players
2 Paddy Dow. Played exclusively as a small forward today, can’t remember him starting in the centre once. Didn’t do a lot, but kicked a good goal and set another one up. Would like to see him more involved in scoring chains
3 Marc Murphy. Excellent game, probably our best 4 quarter player. Stood out like a beacon in the first half as our only player that could hit a target by foot. Our only mid who had a good day in terms of clearances and contested possessions, also laid some important tackles. Very very good
4 Lachie O’Brien. Very quiet, well beaten. Disappointing after really improving over previous weeks, hopefully this is just a blip in his development trajectory. Did kick a nice goal though. He’s definitely worth persisting with
5 SPS. One of many who were almost invisible in the first half, but I thought his second half was pretty good. He loves to tackle this guy, and we really need that. Won some contested ball and generally used it pretty well
6 Kade Simpson. Quiet game from him, didn’t do much wrong, but didn’t have much influence. That kick late in the last quarter shouldn’t have been under that much pressure but for a bad fumble by Newman
7 Matt Kennedy. Didn’t do a lot, but what he did was pretty good. He’s a very good set shot at goal, and he times his leads pretty well. Kicked 2.4 so could have had a monster game. Not sure what his role will be when Curnow and McKay come back? At the moment he’s starting out of the goal square as a leading forward. It certainly won’t be that
8 Matt Kreuzer. Interesting game. Preuss probably beat him in the ruck hitouts, but Kreuz got a few good ones along the way that resulted in clearances. He also got a bunch of clearances himself. Preuss is a massive human
11 Mitch McGovern. A complete non-factor today. Again. No decoying for anyone out there. I specifically watched him today and he just does not work very hard at all. You can argue “bad delivery” if you like, but Kennedy, Silvagni and Setterfield kicked 8 between them today when playing as lead-up forwards. McGovern got to about 3 contests for the today. He was just plain awful, and didn’t seem to care
14 Liam Jones. I’m a big fan, but gee he was awful today. Made bad decisions regularly that resulted in McDonald goals
16 Darcy Lang. Horrendous. Never again please
18 Sam Walsh. Quiet first half (had a lot of mates), very good second half. Just works very hard, need some of his teammates to do the same
20 Lachie Plowman. Was defensively good in the second half, particularly with some good spoils in marking contests. Let himself down with poor disposals in the first half, a few of which hurt us on the scoreboard. Still our best lockdown defender though
22 Caleb Marchbank. Thought he was pretty good again today. Took some intercept marks and used the ball pretty well. Just didn’t seem to be involved very much, but didn’t do much wrong
23 Jacob Weitering. Was good again, took some telling intercept marks at the right times.
24 Nic Newman. Got plenty of it, and gave plenty of it straight back to the opposition, especially in the first half. Some of his kicks under no pressure that went straight to opposition players unopposed were baffling I the first half. Worst game I’ve seen him play I reckon
25 Zac Fisher. Very quiet first half, barely saw him. Second half was better, but still not great. Got on the outside a few times and did ok, also got smashed a couple of times. Would really like to see him get himself in positions to receive the ball more often, needs to work harder
35 Ed Curnow. Another who had a very quiet first half. Lifted to become one of our best players with a strong second half. Worked super hard as he always does, and was very strong at the contested ball and tackling the opposition. Very solid performance from Ed
39 Dale Thomas. Didn’t do a lot, but what he did was pretty good. Competed very hard and made it hard for the opposition, used the ball ok compared to some of his mates
41 Levi Casboult. Good game from Levi, he’s probably ow our best set shot at goal. Worked hard, competed well in the ruck, took his chances forward. No matter who comes back next week, he’s a certainty to keep his spot
43 Will Setterfield. First half was awful, beaten badly by Fritsch early, and had no influence on the game playing on a wing. Went forward I the second half and was outstanding, kicked 3.2 and should have kicked 5 in the half. Clever footballer, reads it well up forward, Keep him there
How did Kyle Dunkley go for the dees? We were supposedly looking at his mid season.
I was very disappointed with Fisher. One of my favourite players but he put in some really poor chases today. May be a long season starting to catch up with him?
Guys like Dow and Fisher have been given a lot fewer minutes in the middle since Teague took over. Seeing their stats go down doesn't mean they are stalling.
Great to see Setterfield find a way into the game after a horror first 3 quarters.
Plowman had a complete horror show from start to finish.
Good impact from Kennedy - shame he couldn't snag a 3rd or 4th but he did some really good things.
LOB was practically nowhere today.
Hats off to Jack Silvagni. Our best today by a mile. When nobody else was standing up. When asked to play midfield then go and play forward he just got on with it.
I take it great pleasure in a young guy shoving it right up those Muppets in the media and on here who were just hoping for him to struggle so they could heap pressure on his Dad to delist him. Rushing to write off a 20 year old. Sad individuals.
Apologies for the long post, but these are my thoughts from watching at the G today:
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Nice summary JB.
Yes Jack too short and too slow, has no position. Guess what though? He knows how to play football.
@ Jack Burton
Thankyou for your comprehensive comments
I didn't realise Dow was playing small forward :-\ That's a tricky position let alone for a youngster already underperforming. Just the same, has much to gain from a run in the 2's. If only we had the depth. Deluca probably worth bringing in for Dow or LOB.
SOJ and Kennedy keep their spots for mine. Add Cunningham and Crippa and we should be stronger in the midfield.
Don’t be fooled by comeback Melb had 3 players down and we still couldn’t win .Time to do a port Adelaide and drop name players.
@ Jack Burton
Thankyou for your comprehensive comments
I didn't realise Dow was playing small forward :-\ That's a tricky position let alone for a youngster already underperforming. Just the same, has much to gain from a run in the 2's. If only we had the depth. Deluca probably worth bringing in for Dow or LOB.
SOJ and Kennedy keep their spots for mine. Add Cunningham and Crippa and we should be stronger in the midfield.
"should be"? ???
re: Kennedy and Setterfield are meant to be the bigger bodies doing the grunt work in the middle, both look better down forward but you cant go with Fisher, SPS, Dow, Walsh etc vs a midfield like Melbourne who have some big units especially without Cripps. Walsh is a freak who continues to soldier on but the others look shot and in need of some rest.
re: Jack...been great, genuine utility, not many players who can play forward and then go in the middle and be effective in both positions.
Need Cripps back and a more seasoned player like Deluca in the middle..
Apologies for the long post, but these are my thoughts from watching at the G today:
1 Jack Silvagni. Outstanding game. First half in the midfield was very good. Second half as a forward was even better. Took contested marks today which is very important for his development, and kicked 3 goals. Definitely in our best players
2 Paddy Dow. Played exclusively as a small forward today, can’t remember him starting in the centre once. Didn’t do a lot, but kicked a good goal and set another one up. Would like to see him more involved in scoring chains
3 Marc Murphy. Excellent game, probably our best 4 quarter player. Stood out like a beacon in the first half as our only player that could hit a target by foot. Our only mid who had a good day in terms of clearances and contested possessions, also laid some important tackles. Very very good
4 Lachie O’Brien. Very quiet, well beaten. Disappointing after really improving over previous weeks, hopefully this is just a blip in his development trajectory. Did kick a nice goal though. He’s definitely worth persisting with
5 SPS. One of many who were almost invisible in the first half, but I thought his second half was pretty good. He loves to tackle this guy, and we really need that. Won some contested ball and generally used it pretty well
6 Kade Simpson. Quiet game from him, didn’t do much wrong, but didn’t have much influence. That kick late in the last quarter shouldn’t have been under that much pressure but for a bad fumble by Newman
7 Matt Kennedy. Didn’t do a lot, but what he did was pretty good. He’s a very good set shot at goal, and he times his leads pretty well. Kicked 2.4 so could have had a monster game. Not sure what his role will be when Curnow and McKay come back? At the moment he’s starting out of the goal square as a leading forward. It certainly won’t be that
8 Matt Kreuzer. Interesting game. Preuss probably beat him in the ruck hitouts, but Kreuz got a few good ones along the way that resulted in clearances. He also got a bunch of clearances himself. Preuss is a massive human
11 Mitch McGovern. A complete non-factor today. Again. No decoying for anyone out there. I specifically watched him today and he just does not work very hard at all. You can argue “bad delivery” if you like, but Kennedy, Silvagni and Setterfield kicked 8 between them today when playing as lead-up forwards. McGovern got to about 3 contests for the today. He was just plain awful, and didn’t seem to care
14 Liam Jones. I’m a big fan, but gee he was awful today. Made bad decisions regularly that resulted in McDonald goals
16 Darcy Lang. Horrendous. Never again please
18 Sam Walsh. Quiet first half (had a lot of mates), very good second half. Just works very hard, need some of his teammates to do the same
20 Lachie Plowman. Was defensively good in the second half, particularly with some good spoils in marking contests. Let himself down with poor disposals in the first half, a few of which hurt us on the scoreboard. Still our best lockdown defender though
22 Caleb Marchbank. Thought he was pretty good again today. Took some intercept marks and used the ball pretty well. Just didn’t seem to be involved very much, but didn’t do much wrong
23 Jacob Weitering. Was good again, took some telling intercept marks at the right times.
24 Nic Newman. Got plenty of it, and gave plenty of it straight back to the opposition, especially in the first half. Some of his kicks under no pressure that went straight to opposition players unopposed were baffling I the first half. Worst game I’ve seen him play I reckon
25 Zac Fisher. Very quiet first half, barely saw him. Second half was better, but still not great. Got on the outside a few times and did ok, also got smashed a couple of times. Would really like to see him get himself in positions to receive the ball more often, needs to work harder
35 Ed Curnow. Another who had a very quiet first half. Lifted to become one of our best players with a strong second half. Worked super hard as he always does, and was very strong at the contested ball and tackling the opposition. Very solid performance from Ed
39 Dale Thomas. Didn’t do a lot, but what he did was pretty good. Competed very hard and made it hard for the opposition, used the ball ok compared to some of his mates
41 Levi Casboult. Good game from Levi, he’s probably ow our best set shot at goal. Worked hard, competed well in the ruck, took his chances forward. No matter who comes back next week, he’s a certainty to keep his spot
43 Will Setterfield. First half was awful, beaten badly by Fritsch early, and had no influence on the game playing on a wing. Went forward I the second half and was outstanding, kicked 3.2 and should have kicked 5 in the half. Clever footballer, reads it well up forward, Keep him there
what a great post
Like most on this site I watch the blues closely each week and it's the same players turning the ball over under limited or no pressure at critical times, due to a combination of poor decision making and a general lack of field awareness. Plowman, Newman, E Curnow, L Jones are by far our worst offenders - yet we persist because Plowman can defend, Newman (??), Curnow is tough in the clinches and Jones gives the side plenty of run from the HB line, but there is a threshold and Plowman/Jones/Newman were more or a liability than an asset today. Plowman's decision making is simply deplorable and Jones was far too loose on McDonald.
re: Kennedy and Setterfield are meant to be the bigger bodies doing the grunt work in the middle, both look better down forward but you cant go with Fisher, SPS, Dow, Walsh etc vs a midfield like Melbourne who have some big units especially without Cripps. Walsh is a freak who continues to soldier on but the others look shot and in need of some rest.
re: Jack...been great, genuine utility, not many players who can play forward and then go in the middle and be effective in both positions.
Need Cripps back and a more seasoned player like Deluca in the middle..
Kennedy could become our version of Josh Caddy, could be ok. Setterfield really should make it as a midfield and despite being around for a while, this really is first year of AFL footy - I'm happy with his progress given his lack of experience.
JON RALPH’S BEST
BLUES: Silvagni, Kreuzer, Casboult, Newman, Setterfield, Curnow, Murphy
Simply ridiculous to have Newman in there. he was nothing short of atrocious.
Yeah I'm not sure Ralph watched the game, maybe just looked at the stats.
Simply ridiculous to have Newman in there. he was nothing short of atrocious.
Our backline had a shocker today right across the board I thought. Quite a few disappointing moments - and some completely crazy ones.
We desperately need to upgrade Plowman. He's costing us 3-5 goals a week.
Yeah I'm not sure Ralph watched the game, maybe just looked at the stats.
Bingo.
Nobody has mentioned Gibbons yet didn’t see game was he a late out ?
Nobody has mentioned Gibbons yet didn’t see game was he a late out ?
He played. Kicked a nice banana goal in the last. That was about it.
Nobody has mentioned Gibbons yet didn’t see game was he a late out ?
Gibbons played a solid quarter or two, like most players.
He showed his nous and slotted a nice goal from the boundary.
Umpires ruined a good game of footy today.
I wonder why we get some of the worst decisions going around. Then I realize that it is 16th vs 17th: of course we get the dregs of the umpiring fraternity! Even so, some crucial decisions today really went against us. As for the Umps, I'd hate to have some of those decisions on my CV!
I know Setterfield got a good run, but did he get a front on, head high right at the finish??
Indeed. But he also had a couple of other chances ... I'm not going there yet.
Demons certainly deserved the win. They were the better team for 3 quarters. Terrible skills by both teams. Great effort by Silvagni and Casboult, at least early on.
I would have liked to steal the game, but it would have been theft. We were very ordinary for a lot of the game.
They started today as they trained at the open session yesterday - missed handballs, not catching a handball, plenty of ordinary kicks.
We should have lost by heaps today if the Dees took their chances. Credit to our boys for not giving it away and somehow hanging in there.
Don't use the Demons misfortunes to denigrate our last quarter, though. Wouldn't it be nice if we could bring our last quarter to a while game. We seem to go better as the opposition tires a bit.
I would have liked to steal the game, but it would have been theft. We were very ordinary for a lot of the game.
Yes indeedy. I can't figure out which is worse - maintaining a lead most of the game and then losing in the dying seconds like Suns and Hawks, or trailing most of the game and having to play break neck footy in the dying minutes, and still losing. It's like two ends of a spectrum, with a yawning chasm in between.
Yeah plow craps me.
Constantly expecting more from him and mostly get disappointed.
Smashed in the middle for most of the game, not sure how you can blame the forwards?
SPS, Dow, Fisher, Setterfield all high draft picks and all crap today.
Started in the ruck: Preuss showed what a good player he really is. Kreuzer tried, and did better in the last quarter, but Preuss gave their mids an armchair ride.
Then, our mids couldn't get near their opponents. Setterfield just about had Fritsch as BOG with his horrible start.
Their mids are bigger and more mature, and we lacked Cripps. But we really need to give Cripps more help.
So many players did so little today. Very disappointing.
And our disposal.
Newman gets a lot of the ball which is the first part but geez he hands it straight back way too often. Like the fact he keeps taking it on but just has to reduce the amount of clangers as they just kill us.
Can’t wait to see doc back - will be a different team with him being the main man running out of defence setting us up.
Don’t think we are miles off. Add the right players in this years trade period and could see a massive jump next season.
Yes indeedy. I can't figure out which is worse - maintaining a lead most of the game and then losing in the dying seconds like Suns and Hawks, or trailing most of the game and having to play break neck footy in the dying minutes, and still losing. It's like two ends of a spectrum, with a yawning chasm in between.
Coming from behind and falling short is much better.
We really didn't deserve to get as close as we did...shows a bit of character to come back.
Losing after leading for most of the game shows a fragility.
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.
Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.
Coming from behind and falling short is much better.
We really didn't deserve to get as close as we did...shows a bit of character to come back.
Losing after leading for most of the game shows a fragility.
I think they both show something negative. You could reasonably argue that coming from behind and falling short shows something negative at the front end. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think the opposite is better. Leading most of the game shows you are doing a few things right and have the opposition's measure.
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.
Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.
Newman despite a incredulous clanger played well, if we didn't have him mopping up we'd have lost by 5 or 10 goals.
McLean was a gun midfielder playing in a selfish team, he was probably as good if not better than Carrazzo as an inside mid while comfortably being a better kick, and McLean worked as hard as any player in the AFL to create space and provide an option, but our blokes wouldn't kick the football to him, instead they would opt to bomb it 60m onto the outnumbered head of Betts so that Eddie could win one in every 10 contests!
I never understood the hate for Brock.
They started today as they trained at the open session yesterday - missed handballs, not catching a handball, plenty of ordinary kicks.
We should have lost by heaps today if the Dees took their chances. Credit to our boys for not giving it away and somehow hanging in there.
Don't use the Demons misfortunes to denigrate our last quarter, though. Wouldn't it be nice if we could bring our last quarter to a while game. We seem to go better as the opposition tires a bit.
Probably not the case but it sort of looked like we may have decided that we can't yet go full throttle for 4Qs so we try to contain for 3Qs as best we can and then go for the kill in the last? Yesterday a switch was definitely thrown at 3Q time. A different team came out from what I witnessed.
I never understood the hate for Brock.
I was not one of his haters but his inability or unwillingness to chase was often very annoying.
Started in the ruck: Preuss showed what a good player he really is. Kreuzer tried, and did better in the last quarter, but Preuss gave their mids an armchair ride.
Then, our mids couldn't get near their opponents. Setterfield just about had Fritsch as BOG with his horrible start.
Their mids are bigger and more mature, and we lacked Cripps. But we really need to give Cripps more help.
So many players did so little today. Very disappointing.
And our disposal.
Yet we won the clearances 41-36! Only stat we were ahead in, apart from clangers :(
I was not one of his haters but his inability or unwillingness to chase was often very annoying.
I feel there is irony contained in those comments, certain players get a free pass from fans despite not chasing, maybe because they are deemed to be superstars or leaders, yet their voluntary not chasing has the very same impact as an inability to catch despite effort. Is one excusable and the other not?
McLean use to run as hard and as fast as he could leaving nothing in the tank, often right past obviously faster midfield rotation players like Grigg, Garlett, Yarran, Ellard, Lucas or Walker, just to try and get to a contest or provide an option. In much the same way Daisy does now! Don't judge a McLean type because they might not make the ground, judge the others by their spectatorship. Do we dare to judge a Silvagni by the same criteria as McLean, inability rather than lack of effort, SoJ leaves nothing in the tank?
We use to love Armfield, not because he could catch, but because he would chase, always!
It goes a long way to explain the different ladder positions of certain clubs, if your name is Dangerfield, Ablett, Mitchell, Rich or Zorko and you don't chase you get admonished by a Selwood or Hodge type. But our blokes just want to argue about it.
When will our lot get that it's not optional, that being good at one thing doesn't excuse all the others, it goes a long way to explain ladder positions and lots of honourable loses.
A great example at the moment of doing it all, of having a crack, is Levi, I can't say on average his marking or kicking is significantly better this season than before, he still has his ups and downs, but the other aspects of his game have improved dramatically. His physicality, his work ethic and willingness to compete, he is no longer willing to be a spectator and it is paying off. Nobody would argue Levi 2019 isn't a better version than any Levi ever before!
I think they both show something negative. You could reasonably argue that coming from behind and falling short shows something negative at the front end. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think the opposite is better. Leading most of the game shows you are doing a few things right and have the opposition's measure.
It may come down to a personal preference. Personally I was happier with yesterdays effort rather than the Gold Coast game.
We were finishing with momentum.
Half way through the last I was confident we'd actually win and even at the death we could have done so with a kick off the ground.
How it's commentated on and reported is different too.
v Gold Coast-"They've forgotten how to win"
v Melbourne- "They're never out of the game."
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.
Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.
I agree about Plow and Newman: kicking in is for someone else. Some of our kick-in work yesterday was appalling! Not sure who should take the job, but even Liam Jones could do the job better.
It may come down to a personal preference. Personally I was happier with yesterdays effort rather than the Gold Coast game.
We were finishing with momentum.
Half way through the last I was confident we'd actually win and even at the death we could have done so with a kick off the ground.
How it's commentated on and reported is different too.
v Gold Coast-"They've forgotten how to win"
v Melbourne- "They're never out of the game."
With you here Lods. OK our first 3Qs left a lot to be desired but, imo, due to issues that can be fixed such as poor skill execution and clangers. Melbourne too seemed to me to be a lot more physically developed than us and we were very much out-muscled in the first three quarters. Our mids especially looked very small in comparison to theirs but in fact the clearances were marginally our way. However to come back in that last qrtr was very heartening and showed a fighting spirit which I was very pleased to see -there seems to be a belief there. So, disappointing to lose yes but something to take heart from.
Yeah I'm not sure Ralph watched the game, maybe just looked at the stats.
And he will never put Walsh in the best because he wants Stack to win the Rising Star......
I think Mooney or Dal Santo has Walsh as the Rising Star winner. Many years ago, occasionally I (and others) would get to have input into an ex-journos 'best players' after watching the footy at a mates place and a few beers - because it was too cold/rainy/windy to go...
Listening to the commentary, there was a lot of praise from Roos about the quality of the list, including positive technical analysis of Dow's kicking (after his goal).
Cynical me says that they are either:
- pumping up our list prematurely for the next coach to fail
- or quite the opposite - Roos has a role of some kind at the club next year, so has current history of supporting the club.
I have noticed a number of game commentators say something to the effect "That was a fantastic effort by Rozee (or insert other name) - a lot of talk of Walsh being Rising Star but.......". The whiteants are definitely at work!
And he will never put Walsh in the best because he wants Stack to win the Rising Star......
I couldn't give Walsh votes, it was purely based on how many times he burnt team-mates with poor disposal. It's not when he misses targets under pressure, it's the open possessions that go the wrong way or handball behind a moving target, just basic stuff. I think he's going at about 40% DE over the last 3 or 4 weeks.
I realise he is just a kid so I won't bag him, but he's being a bit young Dangerfield like lately!
I couldn't give Walsh votes, it was purely based on how many times he burnt team-mates with poor disposal. It's not when he misses targets under pressure, it's the open possessions that go the wrong way or handball behind a moving target, just basic stuff. I think he's going at about 40% DE over the last 3 or 4 weeks.
I realise he is just a kid so I won't bag him, but he's being a bit young Dangerfield like lately!
I put it down to a young midfielder with little mature support around him for most of the season.
If he were in a TOP 6 Clubs midfield his DE would be much better !!
In every other stat he is borderline Elite !! I had him in our Top 5.
I put it down to a young midfielder with little mature support around him for most of the season.
If he were in a TOP 6 Clubs midfield his DE would be much better !!
In every other stat he is borderline Elite !! I had him in our Top 5.
Walsh put his body on the line several times yesterday - not his cleanest game, but the Dees put a bit of work into him in Cripps' absence, and yet I thought he stood up to it very well.
People seem to keep forgetting he has played the grand total of 15 games of AFL football. 99.9% of players who started their careers could only dream of playing like that in their first season. Two or three more pre-seasons and he will have the body to match the skill. And he has Patrick Cripps to show him how to go from being a promising junior into an elite midfielder.
Who cares if he wins the Rising Star award - one of the most pointless awards in the game.
Well said
Titus was pretty accurate...
https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-sixteen
Yes indeedy. I can't figure out which is worse - maintaining a lead most of the game and then losing in the dying seconds like Suns and Hawks, or trailing most of the game and having to play break neck footy in the dying minutes, and still losing. It's like two ends of a spectrum, with a yawning chasm in between.
Both give me the $hits.
Probably leading all day is losing is the most frustrating as you feel like you've thrown it away (it's what made the GF so good last year...hehe). At least being behind all day like we were there's the "consolation" that we didn't deserve to win. Still, as i said, both give me the $hits, especially as we got in front then lost due to a horrible turnover.
Titus was pretty accurate...
https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-sixteen
He is a Dees supporter isn't he?
LP - yes he is
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-07-07/r16-teague-postmatch?fbclid=IwAR01KbHTrFLJKPG76zm5-DTeAoDZVZzekI19nc6-YkRUQwaxE8tLS2sziLs
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-07-07/r16-teague-postmatch?fbclid=IwAR01KbHTrFLJKPG76zm5-DTeAoDZVZzekI19nc6-YkRUQwaxE8tLS2sziLs
Titus was pretty accurate...
https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-sixteen
Good one.
Titus was pretty accurate...
https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/the-monday-knee-jerk-reaction-afl-round-sixteen
Yes an enjoyable read.
Just saw the replay for the first time. How the heck didn’t Thug Lewis get done for his hit on Fisher. Head used to be sacrosanct!!!
still has his get out of jail free card from his whorethorn days
Just saw the replay for the first time. How the heck didn’t Thug Lewis get done for his hit on Fisher. Head used to be sacrosanct!!!
agreed.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/2019-07-07/is-lewis-in-trouble-for-this-high-hit
MRO chook lotto