Allegedly Connor McKenna has tested positive to Covid 19, must be suspended surely
2 weeks for him and any others he has been in direct contact with, I would think. Who do they play next week???
Ahh us??
Will possibly happen anyway. Of more concern is will this delay the season by a week. Gil has a press conference at 4:00 PM today.
Could be all over for the year.
Have heard that even with a positive test it may not derail the season, Will find out in a few minutes.
CheatsFC of course, why would we think otherwise, if anyone was going to derail the process, they would be the ones!
2 weeks for him and any others he has been in direct contact with, I would think. Who do they play next week???
They play us.
Essendon v Melbourne game tomorrow postponed, rest going ahead.
Dees (and us) should get the points. 60-0 scoreline.
Stiff $hit to the bombers IMHO
Essendon more COVID positives than finals wins over the last 15 years..lol.
Essendon more COVID positives than finals wins over the last 15 years..lol.
They've just shot themselves in the foot with regards to breaking that drought. The whole comp might be called off now.
Or at a minimum, bombers disadvantaged by forfeiting some games.
They've just shot themselves in the foot with regards to breaking that drought. The whole comp might be called off now.
Or at a minimum, bombers disadvantaged by forfeiting some games.
Is it any surprise the CheatsFC players are more susceptible to COVID-19, they are full of holes!
If clubs had to forfeit games they would get serious about the protocols, I think it's a great idea but it leaves the season unambiguously in the Mickey Mouse region! Just entertainment not sporting event.
It's not the fault of any other club, surely Melbourne don't get penalised?
If what I'm hearing behind the scenes is right I think it'll end that way regardless.
Is it any surprise the CheatsFC players are more susceptible to COVID-19, they are full of holes!
If clubs had to forfeit games they would get serious about the protocols, I think it's a great idea but it leaves the season unambiguously in the Mickey Mouse region! Just entertainment not sporting event.
It's not the fault of any other club, surely Melbourne don't get penalised?
If what I'm hearing behind the scenes is right I think it'll end that way regardless.
The players who were Danked are probably immune with all the chemicals he inserted in their system......
How many players are left from that 'regime'.
Heppell's one but he looks like he could be out for the season.
The players who were Danked are probably immune with all the chemicals he inserted in their system......
Dank, would Trump report him was a man ahead of his time? :D
Dank, would Trump report him was a man ahead of his time? :D
His colour suggests he may have been a client ;D ;D
His colour suggests he may have been a client ;D ;D
Trump doesn't spend all day marching around with a rampant boner though! :o
Dank, would Trump report him was a man ahead of his time? :D
Yep, Stephen" Disinfectant" Dank would have been a Trump consultant......🤦♂️
It seems that the player, Connor McKenna, was in contact with a family cluster infected with COVID-19.
It will be interesting, from an epidemiological perspective, to see if other Cheats players test positive (no pun intended!).
(https://scontent.fmel5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104388293_10158501796304275_3976839175202828133_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=W9iwpU3f8FYAX-JeAoM&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel5-1.fna&oh=a674e06d29224a3dd30e7cdfad3df4cc&oe=5F12329D)
oh my, Krudds
I was actually feeling a bit sorry for the Cheats but hearing how O'Connor has flouted the rules and following Zerk-Thatcher, who was suspended for braking the quarantine rules, they deserve everything they get. Clearly there is a culture down there where they believe the rules don't apply to them. They were pretty lucky with the punishment they received for their drug cheating fiasco, so I hope they really get punished this time and are not rewarded with an early draft pick if their season spirals out of control.
It seems that the player, Connor McKenna, was in contact with a family cluster infected with COVID-19.
It will be interesting, from an epidemiological perspective, to see if other Cheats players test positive (no pun intended!).
So, did he breach or not?
I'm confused....
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-essendon-players-learn-fate-after-conor-mckenna-positive-test/news-story/c20da4203831583c94fb5130287d6d80
So poor Cheatsfc might have to play missing some players, just after they are getting back on their feet!
This bloody club can rot in hell for all I care. They get everything they deserve. It's like they are being whacked by the Karma bus. ^-^
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So poor Cheatsfc might have to play missing some players, just after they are getting back on their feet!
This bloody club can rot in hell for all I care. They get everything they deserve. It's like they are being whacked by the Karma bus. ^-^
Except we are playing them.
You wouldn't put it past them to find a way to play a positive player next weekend just to spite the rest of the competition.
Some fans will salivate at playing against a B-side, but given our history it's just the sport of coach killing game we historically like to lose, so I'm not going to pull the trigger too early!
You can't accept the glory without accepting the risk, maybe it's a soft kill, but maybe the victim gets lucky!
Here they go, from the AFL website!
Essendon chief Xavier Campbell is holding out hope the AFL won't force the Bombers to play Carlton if their list is compromised.
"I'd expect common sense would (prevail)," Campbell told Triple M radio.
"When I say common sense, when the League worked through this – and they've done a tremendous job – they created flexibility in the fixture to allow for this exact situation, where we can stretch out the season, where we could have potential breaks.
We may have to have breaks based on existing state border closures and things like that, anyway, so I would like to think we would sit down with the AFL and others … so we can work through it for a reasonable outcome."
Good old CheatsFC, thinking of the competition, doing the right thing by everybody!
Or we can just remove CheatsFC from the competition while they are quarantined and give everybody a bye!
Watch how CheatsTV go into bat for these haemorrhoid coloured finaglers!
Definition of a crawler
I feel a bit sorry for McKenna, although he may have broken quarantine rules, sooner or later somebody was going to test positive.
But CheatsFC as a club are toxic. They'll not hesitate to infect everybody just to make themselves more acceptable or to avoid accountability! When they wrote "Whatever it takes" they meant it, it's their philosophy to finish ahead regardless of the cost, for them things like morality and other social responsibility issues are merely trivial hurdles to cross.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/29344512/afl-essendon-sweating-covid-19-results-conor-mckenna-positive-test
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/29344512/afl-essendon-sweating-covid-19-results-conor-mckenna-positive-test
Hooker, Hurley and Saad in the same training group as McKenna, big losses if they cant play...
I just hope that Carlton:
- Will prepare for a full STRENGTH Essendon team
- Plan for some to be out
- DO NOT TREAT THEM LIGHTLY
- DO NOT THINK THEY SIMPLY NEED TO SHOW UP TO GET THE 4 PTS
I just hope that Carlton:
- Will prepare for a full STRENGTH Essendon team
- Plan for some to be out
- DO NOT TREAT THEM LIGHTLY
- DO NOT THINK THEY SIMPLY NEED TO SHOW UP TO GET THE 4 PTS
The 1994 2nd semi still sticks in my guts as one we should have won
This is the kind of game we lose. The one late in the year where they got rubbed out we lost by 8 points, should have won by 10 goals but never looked like winning.
The 1994 2nd semi still sticks in my guts as one we should have won
Couch, Bairstow and ?? out from memory
Couch, Bairstow and ?? out from memory
Pretty sharp memory Nando.
https://www.blueseum.org/Semi+Final,+1994
Pretty sharp memory Nando.
https://www.blueseum.org/Semi+Final,+1994
Wow I thought it was only 3 (3 musketeers), didnt realise Mansfield went out also.
Wow I thought it was only 3 (3 musketeers), didnt realise Mansfield went out also.
Given how many years have passed, and how many footy games have occured since then, 3 out of 4 is a pretty good effort.
According to one of my AFL books, Stoneham was missing as well.
Given how many years have passed, and how many footy games have occured since then, 3 out of 4 is a pretty good effort.
I remember vividly I couldnt go to the game, the bloke I normally went with said to me "never mind, it will be a cake walk, lets worry about next week". And that my friends is a lesson in getting ahead of yourself.
I remember vividly I couldnt go to the game, the bloke I normally went with said to me "never mind, it will be a cake walk, lets worry about next week". And that my friends is a lesson in getting ahead of yourself.
Yes, should have been a comfortable win for us. Mind you, back in those days such confidence usually turned out to be right.
Just to top it off. Connor Mckenna's test today come back negative.
Just to top it off. Connor Mckenna's test today come back negative.
And he had 5 negative prior to positive on Fri. I would guess his positive might have been dodgy.
What that shows is that this thing and the handling of it is full of contradictions.
I don't think anyone has a real handle on it and the various manifestations.
I'm happier now that the game goes ahead without some players missing...but I really don't think we have a clue as to what's going on and that means that it could turn on us pretty quickly.
Nothing would surprise.
And he had 5 negative prior to positive on Fri. I would guess his positive might have been dodgy.
Yes, but nobody can take the risk of assuming a false negative, for a virus like COVID-19 false positive and quarantine is much safer error to make when there is no aggressive treatment.
It's quite possible a whole batch of these recent outbreaks might be false positives from a problematic batch of tests, it happens all the time but this situation would put that on steroids.
The media cannot have it both ways, you can't demand someone tests clear three or four times in a row and then write off as bad one false positive. It just doesn't work that way!
Yes, but nobody can take the risk of assuming a false negative, for a virus like COVID-19 false positive and quarantine is much safer error to make when there is no aggressive treatment.
It's quite possible a whole batch of these recent outbreaks might be false positives from a problematic batch of tests, it happens all the time but this situation would put that on steroids.
The media cannot have it both ways, you can't demand someone tests clear three or four times in a row and then write off as bad one false positive. It just doesn't work that way!
Real events and truths can sometimes be damned inconvenient! :o
There is an aggressive treatment (we just can't use it in most Western democracies openly because Trump once mentioned it).
Presuming the right protocol is followed (just as with any treatment of any illness) - at the right stage of infection.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/the-hydroxychloroquine-scandal
And if you're into data - https://medium.com/analyticaper/covid-19-what-the-data-tells-us-3a08e42ee36f
There a lot of basic errors in those articles you link.
For example. When graphing death rates you have to stack the data to see how the total death rate is affected, COVID-19 death rate is an increase in death rate to be stacked on top of all other causes, not as an alternative or a percentage of the default death rate. Assuming it is not deliberately deceptive it's a fundamental lack of understanding by the author on how statistics work.
Further I'd question the validity of death rate as a valid measure, because it scales with the epidemiology. If two diseases have the same death rate but one has five times the infectious rate it's far more serious. Of course authors construct a circular argument by then referring back to the death rate as a percentage, but that is already based on a fundamental mistake.
Regarding Hydroxchloroquine, the Surgisphere meta-data that is continually referenced in defence of the drug is proven bogus. It was all based on a meta-study not a real double blind drugs trials. A meta-data study just looks for correlations, then requires a full double blind study to confirm or refute the correlation. Not study was conducted by Surgisphere, I won't comment on the validity of the Surgishpere meta-study as you'd have to look at gigabytes of data and dive into how it was mined, but superficially as an organisation they look like they are predatory, they are searching for correlations in the hope some are patent-able and they can do this without paying for any real research and then just file speculative patents. There are real drug trials now underway but none have shown any benefit yet, and the fact that it may not be as harmful as the withdrawn study suggested doesn't mean the inverse, it doesn't mean it is useful as a prophylactic against COVID-19.
I've heard a nice analogy that explains meta-data studies. They are a bit like being lost at sea and searching for land, then seeing birds in the distance and saying there must be land that way, but the observations do not support the conclusion!
FWIW
Work is telling us the tests are 70% accurate.
Connor has 2 tending positive, and 1 negative in the last 5 days.
At work in the hospital, given the nature of this beast, if you are suspected positive, you are positive until PROVEN negative and they test 4 times to ensure that negative is truly negative before discharge.
This has been handled poorly by the AFL. People suspected of having COVID are being stood down as a precaution to be safe, not to be a pain in the butt.
Brett Sutton reckons McKenna did have COVID-19 but has recovered.
He certainly isn't going to raise the spectre of an often invalid test (the PCR test is crap) in the public arena!
FWIW
Work is telling us the tests are 70% accurate.
Connor has 2 tending positive, and 1 negative in the last 5 days.
At work in the hospital, given the nature of this beast, if you are suspected positive, you are positive until PROVEN negative and they test 4 times to ensure that negative is truly negative before discharge.
This has been handled poorly by the AFL. People suspected of having COVID are being stood down as a precaution to be safe, not to be a pain in the butt.
Only 70%.
I was appalled when I thought the test was 90% accurate.
Brett Sutton reckons McKenna did have COVID-19 but has recovered.
So he could have potentially infected others?, not sure how Dr Sutton gets to commentate on McKenna's health status when he isnt his personal GP.
Brett Sutton reckons McKenna did have COVID-19 but has recovered.
Yes he would say that.
Only 70%.
I was appalled when I thought the test was 90% accurate.
All legitimate and credible tests in this sphere are deliberately designed to form false positives over false negatives, they weight the testing so that false negatives are eliminated as they can be deadly. In a weird way it's the very same premise as innocent until proven guilty.
All legitimate and credible tests are deliberately designed to form false positives ahead over false negatives. It's the same premise as innocent until proven guilty.
Correct.
Err on the side of caution.
You are much better off catching all the people who have it, if a few 'innocents' get caught up, so be it.
If however, we let through a few people who have it, the damage could be catastrophic!
Correct.
Err on the side of caution.
You are much better off catching all the people who have it, if a few 'innocents' get caught up, so be it.
If however, we let through a few people who have it, the damage could be catastrophic!
Sorry got me before I finished a revision. :D
All legitimate and credible tests in this sphere are deliberately designed to form false positives over false negatives, they weight the testing so that false negatives are eliminated as they can be deadly. In a weird way it's the very same premise as innocent until proven guilty.
And yet the inventory of the PCR 'test' himself (Kary Mulllis, an out and out genius, died last August RIP) questions its efficacy given it was never designed for such a purpose.
"In the US, we have all but abandoned classical diagnostic medicine in favor of biotech, or lab result medicine. This has been going on for a long time and is a dangerous turning. The “Corona test” is named with characteristic tech-tedium: “CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” That means it is a needle in a DNA haystack test. A PCR test.
It finds fragments, nucleic acids. From an email from Kary Mullis, to the widow of boxer Tommy Morrison, whose career and life were destroyed by an “HIV test,” and who litigated ferociously for years, against test manufacturers, Dr. Mullis wrote, on May 7, 2013:
“PCR detects a very small segment of the nucleic acid which is part of a virus itself. The specific fragment detected is determined by the somewhat arbitrary choice of DNA primers used which become the ends of the amplified fragment. “
If things were done right, “infection” would be a far cry from a positive PCR test.
“You have to have a whopping amount of any organism to cause symptoms. Huge amounts of it,” Dr. David Rasnick, bio-chemist, protease developer, and former founder of an EM lab called Viral Forensics told me. “You don’t start with testing; you start with listening to the lungs. I’m skeptical that a PRC test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine. 30% of your infected cells have been killed before you show symptoms. By the time you show symptoms…the dead cells are generating the symptoms.”
I asked Dr. Rasnick what advice he has for people who want to be tested for COVID-19.
“Don’t do it, I say, when people ask me,” he replies. “No healthy person should be tested. It means nothing but it can destroy your life, make you absolutely miserable.”
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/
So he could have potentially infected others?, not sure how Dr Sutton gets to commentate on McKenna's health status when he isnt his personal GP.
I think that Sutton is eminently qualified to comment on what a positive COVID-19 test means. He was asked about negative, positive, negative test results and he said that the most likely explanation is that McKenna has just recovered from the virus. I doubt whether a GP would be able to do any better with a asymptomatic patient and would be relying solely on test results.
Either way they shouldn't be using this as a vehicle to try and discredit testing. Two positive results, he's on stand down, whether or not he returns a negative now the outcome is the same, and going so public with a negative test is a bit absurd. Err on the side of caution state hes in lockdown until its safe and get on with it.
And yet the inventory of the PCR 'test' himself (Kary Mulllis, an out and out genius, died last August RIP) questions its efficacy given it was never designed for such a purpose.
You mean like finding an alternative use for Hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19, something it wasn't invented for?
Commentators can't arbitrarily pick and choose the facts that suit a case, the personal opinions are largely irrelevant. Whatever someone thinks the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and for virus detection PCR is as accurate as any, like it or lump it if the evidence doesn't support an opinion it just has to be accepted.
Lots of inventions get used for things they were never intended for, applications that never even existed at the time they were first invented, many end use applications were and are just discoveries by accident. For example satellites designed to detect nuclear tests on earth or in space found the first gamma ray burst coming from distant galaxies. Radiation detectors used in nuclear weapons labs were re-task to become MRI and CT scanners in hospitals, a spread spectrum frequency hoping system designed to defeat radar countermeasures became the basis for the WiFi we all use today. The list goes on and on and on!
@LPIn fact drug companies hold patents on many compounds that they have yet to find a use for. So in many case they look for where compounds could be used rather finding cures for a particular condition.
@LP
In fact drug companies hold patents on many compounds that they have yet to find a use for. So in many case they look for where compounds could be used rather finding cures for a particular condition.
Yes, there is a lot of debate around this.
The problem is more a discussion of the lax nature of some patent office rather than the validity of the practise.
I think it's reasonable for drug companies to find new and broad uses for their drugs, as long as they patent each one as the discovery happens, and not retrospectively reference some very loose patent from decades ago! Because what happens is they tend to allow 3rd parties to make the discovery then sue those using existing out of scope broad patents.
I've experienced this first hand, some EU and Asian patent offices are very very generous to the local applicants, they award patents so broad it is virtually institutionalised patent trolling. I've known of patents being awarded in some jurisdictions for products that have been highly visible in the global marketplace for 30 years. That's unambiguous prior art yet a patent still gets award!