The first few paragraphs from the article are interesting.
AFLW: Carlton and star Tayla Harris at odds over $150,000 asking price
Tayla Harris is the most marketable player in the AFLW but the Blues have their concerns. Will a looming pay stoush leave her looking for a new home?
A pay stoush between Tayla Harris and Carlton could lead to the AFLW pin-up player looking for a new club.
Harris is asking for about $150,000 to play in the 2022 season, which would make her one of the highest-paid players in the sport.
She is a Tier 2 player which means she is paid about $25,000 to play football and the remainder would come from marketing and employment roles at the club.
Harris, 24, was believed to have earned about $80,000 this year, and the Blues are baulking at her new asking price.
Separately, the Blues are also privately questioning her dedication to football and whether she is a good fit for the team.
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Coming off her worst season as a player — she finished outside the top 15 in the club best-and-fairest — the Blues were disappointed with her standards in preparation and commitment.
At one session during the past season, Harris walked off the training track — without telling any of her coaches — to post on her Instagram page.
That act drew the ire of her teammates.
She did not play the next game. The club listed her as “managed’’.
She was also late to several training sessions and arrived at the start of pre-season unfit.
Harris’ manager Alex Saundry rejected the suggestion Harris was unprofessional in 2021 and said her star client wanted to stay at Carlton.
“She absolutely wants to be at Carlton, she remains 100 per cent committed to Carlton and I’m prepared for pretty robust dialogue between myself and the club over the next two to three weeks,” Saundry said.
“We have started negotiations.’’
She added: “I think she’s worth a significant amount. The commitment to Carlton and what she’s done over the past two years for the game locally, nationally and internationally carries a lot of weight.
“Has she carried that weight (this year)? No. Does she rely on her team around her? Yes, to help her through that.
$150K is too much, too much for any AFLW player at this point in time, they'll bankrupt the sport before it gets off the ground!
But Harris is a good player and has a great profile, when the sport can afford it she deserves the money.
Its interesting.
The money is all this is really about.
She is good for footy, and good for carlton, and plays with the sort of toughness we need, but expecting them to act like profesionals might also be a bridge too far for now.
In footballing output, no where near 150k... not even half that.
In pure marketability, she is gold.
There will be many a young girl who will grow up a Carlton fan for life because of her.
Is give it to her, but have her playing side if the contract heavily incentivised and have penalties should she be late or walk off the track etc.
I'd also be drafting the best young key forward this year because
a) we need one
b) we want Tayla to realise she is replaceable
Nice work if she can get it. Hope she doesn't.
Nice work if she can get it. Hope she doesn't.
Who and how many would it cost us?
Then does it cost us a shot at a flag, and if so does it cost us team unity?
Who and how many would it cost us?
Then does it cost us a shot at a flag, and if so does it cost us team unity?
Harris' output is almost unimportant in terms of $.
She will make us back what we pay her in terms of marketing.
So it is just in terms of team unity if we should keep her.
We played much better with vescio as our ff. She can kick and always gives 100%.
Tayla can kick it far, but not accurately. She can play.....if she's in the mood....which isn't often enough.
At this stage she isn't keeping anyone out of the side.
At this stage there is no obvious 'replacement' available from another club.
I don't think it will cost us anything one way or another in terms of a flag.
Harris' output is almost unimportant in terms of $.
She will make us back what we pay her in terms of marketing.
So it is just in terms of team unity if we should keep her.
We played much better with vescio as our ff. She can kick and always gives 100%.
Tayla can kick it far, but not accurately. She can play.....if she's in the mood....which isn't often enough.
At this stage she isn't keeping anyone out of the side.
At this stage there is no obvious 'replacement' available from another club.
I don't think it will cost us anything one way or another in terms of a flag.
Are you saying there is no cap?
Cya!
Dont follow the womens team well enough to comment on her total season but the games I watched she disappointed me.
She is the face of the club though along with Darcy Vescio and its important the club retain her IMO for the future development
of the team. Its takes a good player to play on her and she also provides some physical presence although other teams seem to like to wind her up and make her give away frees etc.
Dont know whats happening with her boxing career etc but I'd like to see her fulltime in football but to do that you have to
remunerate players better and make them at least semi professional players.
I'd upgrade her to 100k overall with football and club work plus incentives to earn more, she does cop a lot of commentary both negative and positive being the highest profile player of the club and in the AFLW and you have to make it worth her while in that regard IMHO.
Are you saying there is no cap?
No. There is a very structured cap in AFLW.
AFLW player payments 2019-2022
Tier 2019 2020 2021 2022
1 $24,600 $29,856 $32,077 $37,155
2 $19,000 $23,059 $24,775 $28,697
3 $16,200 $19,661 $21,124 $24,468
4 $13,400 $16,263 $17,473 $20,239
Club TPP $474,800 $576,240 $619,109 $717,122
However, much like the mens game, there is money to be earned outside the cap. Remember Juddys Visy deal. He was earning 100k a year outside the cap for that....until Eddie McGuire complained and we had to include his finals year (or 2) in the cap. Reason for that was Judd was earning about 5-10 times more than any other player in the AFL outside the cap.
So the question is....how much are we allowed to pay Harris outside the salary cap. I have no idea what the allowances for that are for AFLW.
I suspect that it probably impossible for her to even earn 150k a year as an AFLW player.
Unless we get her a job at the club, ala Vescio and pay her plenty for that.
Unlike Vescio though, she doesn't really have any worthwhile skills
Thanks, and enjoy your boxing career Tayla.
I'd suggest she's already had one too many to the head.
I'd suggest she's already had one too many to the head.
This sounds to me like a case of another sports person being poorly managed/advised.
Seems like Eddie McGuire backs up what I've been saying.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/womens-afl/afl-news-2021-tayla-harris-contract-salary-carlton-aflw-boxing-record-return-for-world-title-sonny-bill-williams/news-story/82903cf645d74a7c3baf8d8439941646
Seems like Eddie McGuire backs up what I've been saying.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/womens-afl/afl-news-2021-tayla-harris-contract-salary-carlton-aflw-boxing-record-return-for-world-title-sonny-bill-williams/news-story/82903cf645d74a7c3baf8d8439941646
Regardless of the effect on AFLW and women's sport, Carlton is or at least should be about winning flags, and the potential effect on the team is significant.
McGuire's comments would be in respect of that, he knows it might be good for AFLW and potentially bad for Carlton.
If you want to lump AFLW in one big bag, then fair enough, but accept that some operating units might have to take a hit for the greater good and in this case Carlton.
On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if we or the AFL stump up the marketing cash Tayla stills wants to box. I believe the potential income is several times larger because the sponsorship deals for a world title are global not local.
Regardless of the effect on AFLW and women's sport, Carlton is or at least should be about winning flags, and the potential effect on the team is significant.
McGuire's comments would be in respect of that, he knows it might be good for AFLW and potentially bad for Carlton.
For a new supply of tin foil?
McGuire is speaking purely from a marketing point of view. If we offered Harris to Collingwood, he'd be the first in line to drove her across. Tayla for us is still better than not having Tayla.
Plenty of team-mates have had their issues over the journey and still managed to play through it just fine.
For a new supply of tin foil?
I can use the sheet covering your eyes if you let me borrow it!
Regardless, I probably would not have Tayla Harris on a football level in our top 5 for the last season, let alone in top spot but her manager is asking for top dollars.
Are they footballers, role models or fashion models?
If we pay Tayla big dollars are we just reinforcing the female stereotype, that tall blond, slender, gets the goodies! Why doesn't someone in the media ask her the question, and let's see how the response fits with her other messages?
I can use the sheet covering your eyes if you let me borrow it!
Regardless, I probably would not have Tayla Harris on a football level in our top 5 for the last season, let alone in top spot but her manager is asking for top dollars.
Are they footballers, role models or fashion models?
If we pay Tayla big dollars are we just reinforcing the female stereotype, that tall blond, slender, gets the goodies! Why doesn't someone in the media ask her the question, and let's see how the response fits with her other messages?
I'd say it again in sign language but you wouldn't be able to see it.
Let me try it one more time....
It has nothing to do with her playing ability. That is capped, as it is for all players. I posted the table before. That is her max figure (if she was tier 1....and she's not)
As far as CSC votes went, she came in 17th i think.
Now on to why she
should get the money. She is very marketable. She is as equally well known in the boxing world as the footy world. Non-football watchers see her and might get interested in the 'other' thing she does and have a look. They will see her playing for Carlton and thats their team from now on.
Her silhouette will IMO end up becoming the Footy Shows Jack Dyer, or the NBA's Jerry West etc.
She won young Victorian of the year.
She has a statue pushing for gender equality.
Our club is the league standard in gender equality, she is the poster child of that.
There are many many reason why she is beneficial to the club and the AFL as a whole.....and it is not based on her performance this year in the slightest.
Buddy Franklin was paid a squillion dollars to go to Sydney, you think that was all about his footballing ability? On the length of contract he was on? No, it was about marketing the club, and the game, in Sydney. Yes, they got some good years out of him, and now he is shot, but the marketing still remains.
If you think its simply because she is tall and blonde, then you are perpetuating the stereotype.
You think Chris Judd was
really that focused on the environment and cardboard boxes? No, he wanted the coin. He was happy to be paraded around as the brand sponsor and give a few talks here and there to
justify those dollars. But no, it was about increasing the brand of Visy, and earning some 'brand credits' in the process. Same with Tayla.
FWIW, if she put her mind to it, she could be the best forward to ever play the game, which is 1 reason you should try and keep her on the list.
FWIW, if she put her mind to it, she could be the best forward to ever play the game, which is 1 reason you should try and keep her on the list.
True.
All the other examples you offered, Judd and Franklin, were already at the top when they got the big dollars, that is how it works performance before pay.
Promises are hollow, performance is real!
After an enthusiastic start I've turned right off the women's game.
I hardly watched any this last season.
I realise that may be against the trend, and the bits of games I did see showed the skills are improving.
I think the thing that unsettled me most was some of the player movements, where you would get invested in certain players only to have them leave.
A lot of this had to do with new clubs coming into the competition
Now this will settle down eventually and clubs will become more stable.
I understand all the points Kruddler is making and also understand that at this time promoting the competition is important and takes precedence over the footballing ability.
But until 'football' becomes the focus it all seems a bit artificial.
If there is to be credibility and equality then players need to be judged and rewarded, just as the men are, on their ability to influence games.
Good luck to Harris, she has a rightly deserved high profile across a range of areas and she should make 'hay while the sun shines', and squeeze out as much as possible, because a few years down the track the criteria for contracts will probably have a different emphasis.
After an enthusiastic start I've turned right off the women's game.
I hardly watched any this last season.
I realise that may be against the trend, and the bits of games I did see showed the skills are improving.
I think the thing that unsettled me most was some of the player movements where you would get invested in certain players only to have them leave.
A lot of this had to do with new clubs coming into the competition
Now this will settle down eventually and clubs will become more stable.
I understand all the points Kruddler is making and also understand that at this time promoting the competition is important and takes precedence over the footballing ability.
But until 'football' becomes the focus it all seems a bit artificial.
If there is to be credibility and equality then players need to be judged and rewarded, just as the men are, on their ability to influence games.
Good luck to Harris, she has a rightly deserved high profile across a range of areas and she should make 'hay while the sun shines', and squeeze out as much as possible, because a few years down the track the criteria for contracts will probably have a different emphasis.
Thats my issue with Harris, the only influencing she did this year (and last year probably) was on instagram.
Off field, I am sure she does a power of work in the gender equality space, good on her. She is a handy boxer also, tick, great. On field this year, she did less than SFA and her team mates were less than impressed with her leaving the track to post on instagram, what a tool. Some will say she was injured, I say she was hugely distracted by her off field stuff and was in poor condition for a lot of the year. So on the basis of game influencing, I say ta ta Tayla if you can get more elsewhere.
Its ridiculous that a comparison to the men's wages is being brought up already. Less than five years in I saw a call for pay parity on TV.
Equal pay should men equal performance. Average men's wage is 260k accordingly to averages.
This is down from 350 not long ago probably thanks to covid and subsidising the women's game.
Add the TV rights and the women playing half a season at best and you have illogical arguments.
They need to grow their game organically. Not demand equality off the bat.
Poor form really.
I have no problem with Tayla being well rewarded, but it has to be in context of on-field performance and relative to the rest of the team and competition.
Cynically, some will be stating Tayla deserves the money, but primarily that is because they will argue the case given they are paid relative. If Tayla gets more, I get more!
As for arguing Carlton should pay because it influences little girls to barrack for Tayla and by association Carlton. As fans that might work, but the draft means there is little on field benefit for future generations of Carlton players for that cash. I'd also argue winning a flag does as much if not more for Carlton. So if Tayla is to be some sort of competition wide role model to attract girls to the sport, why isn't the AFL stumping up some cash?
I'm not sure Tayla's game style is such an attraction for parents of young girls, I think
@ElwoodBlues1 stated as much during the season!
PS; We should not necessarily judge Tayla based on what her manager publicly states, perhaps Tayla is poorly advised which is why I'd love to hear what she has to say directly!
Why not be as forthright about this as she is on Instagram or Twitter about other issues?
I think the women's game, much like the men's, has a pecking order, and Tayla, much like Dangerfield, Bont, Dusty, is at the very top of that pecking order, and we need to compare like with like. When you look at how much those men get paid, Tayla is asking for one fifth or one sixth of their salary. Of course, her form was off this year, but you don't dock the men simply based on output. Charlie Curnow and Marchbank would earn $10 / week if that was the case.
Reading the internet, reports are saying the relationship between her and Carlton is strained, so she may be playing elsewhere next season.
On the surface, her actions may look like greed, and maybe that's all they are, but these things can sometimes have a flow on effect, and you may end up with most, if not all the girls, being better paid.
Of course, her form was off this year, but you don't dock the men simply based on output.
All the players you list above, Bont, Dusty or Dangerfield, performed before the big money contracts came to them.
I don't think anybody is demanding no play no pay, that is a confusion of two different issues.
Men do in effect get docked, when form drops contracts drop, so I'm not sure that point is relevant either. We spend a lot of time here debating what trade targets are worth, relative to other players in the competition, how is it different for the girls when judge relative to the other girls. Isn't that the right relative frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I'd like Tayla, want her to stay a blue, and want her rewarded. But I also want her reward to be delivered without hurting her team-mates reward or remuneration, what of Harrington, Vescio, Prespakis, Moody, Gee, Egan, McKay, etc., etc.?
All the players you list above, Bont, Dusty or Dangerfield, performed before the big money contracts came to them.
I don't think anybody is demanding no play no pay, that is a confusion of two different issues.
Men do in effect get docked, when form drops contracts drop, so I'm not sure that point is relevant either. We spend a lot of time here debating what trade targets are worth, relative to other players in the competition, how is it different for the girls when judge relative to the other girls. Isn't that the right relative frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I'd like Tayla, want her to stay a blue, and want her rewarded. But I also want her reward to be delivered without hurting her team-mates reward or remuneration, what of Harrington, Vescio, Prespakis, Moody, Gee, Egan, McKay, etc., etc.?
Yep, those are fair points, and I don't really have an answer, except to say that I hope Tayla is motivated by something more than personal gain (being the empathetic person I am). :D
Yep, those are fair points, and I don't really have an answer, except to say that I hope Tayla is motivated by something more than personal gain (being the empathetic person I am). :D
Note to Tayla, heed Dimma's words to Shai Bolton.
Sometimes money is what must be sacrificed to be successful!
True.
All the other examples you offered, Judd and Franklin, were already at the top when they got the big dollars, that is how it works performance before pay.
Promises are hollow, performance is real!
re Judd and Franklin, yes they were on the top of their game.....but they got PLENTY for their outside of football endeavors, which was the point.
re Taylas football output, this season was a poor showing, but Tayla is a 2x Carlton leading goalkicker, and 2x All australian. She is the best contested mark in the game, and has about the best bump in the game too. She is not without her talents, even if it was not on show this year.
FWIW, i'm not sure if anyone even read the article i linked, but Eddie McGuire was saying she deserves it, and the AFL should fit some of the bill for it.......in the same way that the AFL funds superstars going to the northern states.....like Buddy Franklin for instance. ;)
From our end though, i would make it heavily incentivised, Give her lots of bonuses rather than guaranteed cash. If she wants it, and think she deserves it....prove it.
I think the women's game, much like the men's, has a pecking order, and Tayla, much like Dangerfield, Bont, Dusty, is at the very top of that pecking order, and we need to compare like with like. When you look at how much those men get paid, Tayla is asking for one fifth or one sixth of their salary. Of course, her form was off this year, but you don't dock the men simply based on output. Charlie Curnow and Marchbank would earn $10 / week if that was the case.
Reading the internet, reports are saying the relationship between her and Carlton is strained, so she may be playing elsewhere next season.
On the surface, her actions may look like greed, and maybe that's all they are, but these things can sometimes have a flow on effect, and you may end up with most, if not all the girls, being better paid.
Without putting people in any stratospheres as its neither here nor there, the men's players get the money rolling in that supports the aflw competition.
The girls rightly or wrongly play at most about 12 matches a season. They aren't fully professional yet and frankly, I dont think they should be at such a high wage bracket irrespective of how much one puts on their value.
Particularly when if the women's game stood on its own two feet they couldn't afford to pay her.
How does this compare to the rest of her peers?
Note: she's currently on 75k. Thats my annual full time wage. She's asking for 150k next year. Its a large amount and a creep up to 100k might be more applicable.
But she's "entitled" Thry. ..... and immature
If we had to make a choice, would it be a big bonus for Tayla Harris or a raise for Mimi Hill?
If we had to make a choice, would it be a big bonus for Tayla Harris or a raise for Mimi Hill?
That's like saying would you buy a new car, or a cab off shift drink.
Completely different scales.
For the 7,342nd time, the money for Tayla would not be salary cap money, it would be ASAs.
Hill will be missing for part or all of the season with a knee anyway
For the 7,342nd time, the money for Tayla would not be salary cap money, it would be ASAs.
It's money that Tayla's manager wants our club to pay, with very little Carlton specific benefit relative to other AFLW Tier 1 players.
So I maintain that the AFL or AFLW should be the ones paying for the Instagram social justice presence, not Carlton FC.
Is Mimi Hill or Abbe McKay not marketable commodities to Carlton, what does their manager think?
Like it or not, the earnings disparity will impact the list, if not immediately then eventually as it would in any football club.
Finally, as an ASA is this money Tayla gets regardless of game time, if so does she intend to give up boxing or at least postpone her boxing career until after she retires from AFLW? I wonder how the Tayla Harris demand compares to Erin Phillips remuneration?
It's money that Tayla's manager wants our club to pay, with very little Carlton specific benefit relative to other AFLW Tier 1 players.
So I maintain that the AFL or AFLW should be the ones paying for the Instagram social justice presence, not Carlton FC.
Is Mimi Hill or Abbe McKay not marketable commodities to Carlton, what does their manager think?
Like it or not, the earnings disparity will impact the list, if not immediately then eventually as it would in any football club.
Finally, as an ASA is this money Tayla gets regardless of game time, if so does she intend to give up boxing or at least postpone her boxing career until after she retires from AFLW? I wonder how the Tayla Harris demand compares to Erin Phillips remuneration?
Is money that Tayla wants, she and her manager don't care who fits the bill. Hence why I linked the Eddie article saying the afl should pony up some cash. Just like izzy follau was getting plenty, but some of it was from the afl outside salary cap. It's been done before.
Fyi, Tayla was a tier 2 player this year. A tier 1 would only get another 4k.
....and YOU were the one saying the afl or aflw should pay up? Pretty sure I stated that first, again the Eddie article....which you clearly didn't read.
If you think mimi or Abbie have similar marketability then this discussion is over. They wouldn't even suggest that themselves.
Asa are 'additional service agreements' it has nothing to do with playing time....which I've said 10,000 times now.
I'm not sure why it is so hard for you to superstructure Tayla the player from Tayla the 'symbol'.
I notice the recent reports about Tayla's ongoing contract dispute are reported in the "Entertainment" section of the The Hun newspaper.
I think that pretty much sums it up!
I notice the recent reports about Tayla's ongoing contract dispute are reported in the "Entertainment" section of the The Hun newspaper.
I think that pretty much sums it up!
Yes it does. She is a marketing tool and thats where she earns her money. Which is what i've been saying all along.
Agreed the AFLW/AFL should pay for her marketing power. Unless any deal with Carlton allows Carlton to monetise her on digital platforms and in advertisements (which would mean her right to market herself would be restricted), it would be difficult for Carlton to benefit. The AFLW, on the other hand, would benefit greatly from any coverage of Tayla in any footy guernsey or holding a footy.
It reminds me of the old ads run by Optus. They featured various animals in cartoon form and they attracted much mocking for doing so rather than highlighting the features it offered. But marketing experts pointed out that focussing on its packages would help build interest in broadband packages but that would benefit the whole industry. By branding itself in that marketing campaign, Optus avoided smaller competitors free-riding off its expensive campaign.
She would probably do the AFLW more good if they dont pay her and she leaves the sport.
Would highlight the inequities more. Call me a cynic.
Agreed the AFLW/AFL should pay for her marketing power. Unless any deal with Carlton allows Carlton to monetise her on digital platforms and in advertisements (which would mean her right to market herself would be restricted), it would be difficult for Carlton to benefit. The AFLW, on the other hand, would benefit greatly from any coverage of Tayla in any footy guernsey or holding a footy.
This has been my argument all along, the benefit to the AFLW is enormous while the benefit to Carlton is minimal.
Regardless of whether it's in or outside the TPP, it's still an operating cost. So why should Carlton carry the full cost and give some Jilly Come Lately like the Dawks a free AFLW marketing ride?
She would probably do the AFLW more good if they dont pay her and she leaves the sport.
Would highlight the inequities more. Call me a cynic.
AFLW or Women's Sport in general would benefit, the outcry in the #MeToo era would be thunderous.
I have no problem with Tayla getting paid for marketing the game using her social media platforms, but paid from the AFL / AFLW in general because the dollars spent deliver benefit across the whole competition and favour Carlton very very little.
Carlton should spend Carlton money on Carlton stuff!
If the AFL and Tayla's Manager want to turn Tayla into AFLW Marketing droid, then let the AFL pay!
Isn't Carlton already spending enough on building the new AFLW Headquarters, do we have to advertise it at our own expense as well?
looks like she's gone
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tayla-harris-looking-for-new-aflw-club-as-talks-with-carlton-break-down-20210520-p57tta.html
looks like she's gone
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tayla-harris-looking-for-new-aflw-club-as-talks-with-carlton-break-down-20210520-p57tta.html
Such is Life
looks like she's gone
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tayla-harris-looking-for-new-aflw-club-as-talks-with-carlton-break-down-20210520-p57tta.html
Sell to the highest bidder.
I want early draft picks and a starting player.
I disagree that we are well stocked for key forwards too. Vescio plays there bit could play anywhere. Still play there as a small forward.
Nic Stevens cannot mark the ball but is a solid worker with a good left foot snap.
I'd be targeting a key forward and backup ruck, and mids.
Is Georgia Prespakis in this draft or next year? I'd be making sure we have a pick to get her, whichever year she is available.
looks like she's gone
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tayla-harris-looking-for-new-aflw-club-as-talks-with-carlton-break-down-20210520-p57tta.html
Ta ta, no great loss.
Sad to see Tayla go. I think she was good for Carlton. Not sure what's going on with her pay demands, but anyway................
Ta ta, no great loss.
Tayla is a loss, but I can't get my head around her worth as an overhead to any one club.
Carlton will have the right to feel fully aggrieved if she moves to another club and that move is partially funded by the AFL.
In my opinion she is very poorly advised by her manager. I worry now that her previous good work in regards to Respect might be discounted, some will now have doubts about the validity of past events versus profiteering by design. In this Social Media driven world it's a natural connection for some to make even if it's completely unjustified, and those doubts will ironically potentially diminishes her future value and long term earnings, although she is likely to be held high as a hero to the more corporate psychopath monetisation types.
Sad to see Tayla go. I think she was good for Carlton. Not sure what's going on with her pay demands, but anyway................
I find myself in two minds over the whole Tayla episode.
1. Her career as a boxer and AFLW player will be short lived, maybe another 4-7 years, so she has every right to do all she can to secure her long term financial future. Perfectly understandably.
2. However, and as harsh as this may sound, our club must manage its finances intelligently. No one is bigger than the club.
As difficult as it may be to wave her good-bye, and be strongly compensated, if it is to be... so be it.
She is an inspiration for women in sport, generally. I wish her the very best and to keep up her inspiration/role model ways. No matter what, her time at PP will always be well regarded, as it should be.
Harfs statement on RSN regarding Tayla Harris:
"Tayla's skill set in AFLW is unique, the challenge for Tayla was to be able to do that week in, week in. From a list management perspective you've got to put a monetary value on that. Clearly we've been unable to make that work"
"The gap was too big, we haven't been able to find common ground for the contract. It's in the interest of both sides to see what we get can outside"
"Well she's taken that option to look for another club"
Fair enough!
I find myself in two minds over the whole Tayla episode.
1. Her career as a boxer and AFLW player will be short lived, maybe another 4-7 years, so she has every right to do all she can to secure her long term financial future. Perfectly understandably.
2. However, and as harsh as this may sound, our club must manage its finances intelligently. No one is bigger than the club.
As difficult as it may be to wave her good-bye, and be strongly compensated, if it is to be... so be it.
She is an inspiration for women in sport, generally. I wish her the very best and to keep up her inspiration/role model ways. No matter what, her time at PP will always be well regarded, as it should be.
Nice summary!
In terms of football.
I note the comments of Dimma who when asked about the performance of lynch and the prospect of going back to an old solitary dominant KPF setup, stated something like. "We've been down that road and it leads nowhere!"
This could be a good thing for our team. We have a fast paced running game style, and we might be much better of with several less obvious fast-paced F50 targets. Multiple paths to goal. Keep this in mind, when we kicked the record score Tayla was scoreless and had just 5 disposals!
https://womens.afl/match-centre/2021/3331/gcfc-v-carl#playerstats
I would have thought there would have been middle ground for TH....she has asked for 150k probably expecting 100-120k in reality.
There has to be a goodwill value to her contract with what she provides off the field as well as on, I'm just really surprised how quickly the negotiations have come to a finale. If I was Jeannie Pratt or another benefactor with an interest in furthering the womens game and womens interests in general I would have found that money.
Call it a football scholarship what ever you like, give one to Tayla, maybe DarcyV...think outside the box a bit, put a bit of extra coin in their accounts and demand a bit more from them in return.
The amount of money is a pittance and I reckon Tayla missing may cost the club more than that....
I would have thought there would have been middle ground for TH....she has asked for 150k probably expecting 100-120k in reality.
There has to be a goodwill value to her contract with what she provides off the field as well as on, I'm just really surprised how quickly the negotiations have come to a finale. If I was Jeannie Pratt or another benefactor with an interest in furthering the womens game and womens interests in general I would have found that money.
Call it a football scholarship what ever you like, give one to Tayla, maybe DarcyV...think outside the box a bit, put a bit of extra coin in their accounts and demand a bit more from them in return.
The amount of money is a pittance and I reckon Tayla missing may cost the club more than that....
They do have a TPP
@ElwoodBlues1, you have to find a way to qualify it under the rules or else it's going to be a penalty!
Anyway, it looks like so far Tayla's Manager has come up empty handed, with the other clubs baulking at the asking price.
Could she end up homeless? :o
Too costly to carry and too proud to settle!
They do have a TPP @ElwoodBlues1, you have to find a way to qualify it under the rules or else it's going to be a penalty
Anyway, it looks like so far Tayla's Manager has come up empty handed, with the other clubs baulking at the asking price.
Could she end up homeless? :o
LP..I know they have a cap but there are ways of fiddling money via cars, holidays, home fit outs etc etc....gets done in the VFL.
Tayla is a loss, but I can't get my head around her worth as an overhead to any one club.
Carlton will have the right to feel fully aggrieved if she moves to another club and that move is partially funded by the AFL.
In my opinion she is very poorly advised by her manager. I worry now that her previous good work in regards to Respect might be discounted, some will now have doubts about the validity of past events versus profiteering by design. In this Social Media driven world it's a natural connection for some to make even if it's completely unjustified, and those doubts will ironically potentially diminishes her future value and long term earnings, although she is likely to be held high as a hero to the more corporate psychopath monetisation types.
I dont think she ever embraced Carlton'as her Club let alone her Club for life, thats the impression I got at least. She moved once for coin, she'll move again for coin.
I dont think she ever embraced Carlton'as her Club let alone her Club for life, thats the impression I got at least. She moved once for coin, she'll move again for coin.
To be fair though, that's no different to Diesel Williams.
To be fair though, that's no different to Diesel Williams.
I disagree, Diesel always wanted to be a Blue but was knocked back (a few times I think). He proved us wrong and made us pay to get him. Once he got there, he lived and breathed our club.
Harris IMO is abit of a mercenary after coin in an industry (AFLW) that cant support it at the moment. Its like me asking my boss for twice the money I'm because I'm really really really good at what I do. He'll tell me to GAGF'd and find someone else.
Carlton was full of mercenary's...we paid more, brown paper bags and all and got all the good players, ended up biting us on the rump(hello JackE) but we got our share of premierships. The thing with mercenary's is they have to be real good at what they do and deliver in the big games so thats probably the bone of contention with Tayla on the field.
To be fair though, that's no different to Diesel Williams.
Williams had won a Brownlow before he really got the big pay day!
I dont think she ever embraced Carlton'as her Club let alone her Club for life, thats the impression I got at least. She moved once for coin, she'll move again for coin.
Hmm, not sure the first move was about coin.
The problem as I see it is that over the recent times the thing Tayla is really really really good at, and the thing that will earn her the big dollars, isn't the football part of her profile!
In recent times she is a good footballer, not a great footballer!
I was also worried during the last season, I got the feeling the AFLW was basically doing it's best to make her bash and crash game style redundant. We had a few discussions along those lines in this very lounge!
I find myself in two minds over the whole Tayla episode.
1. Her career as a boxer and AFLW player will be short lived, maybe another 4-7 years, so she has every right to do all she can to secure her long term financial future. Perfectly understandably.
2. However, and as harsh as this may sound, our club must manage its finances intelligently. No one is bigger than the club.
As difficult as it may be to wave her good-bye, and be strongly compensated, if it is to be... so be it.
She is an inspiration for women in sport, generally. I wish her the very best and to keep up her inspiration/role model ways. No matter what, her time at PP will always be well regarded, as it should be.
I think that Tayla, and athletes generally, have an obligation to themselves and their family, to make the most out of their generally short careers and, as far as possible, set themselves up for life after sport. However, it may be that Tayla and her manager have priced her out of the AFLW.
In terms of what Tayla offers on the football field, LP's observation that she may be umpired out of the game seems to have a solid foundation. Then there's the matter of the first generation of AFLW players being outclassed by youngsters who have grown up playing Aussie football and, as a result, having a limited career window. Tayla is an excellent mark and, prior to THE photograph, was an excellent kick. Her positioning, reading of the play, second efforts and playing the ball below her knees are not strengths and have been exploited by younger, more complete footballers.
Best of luck to her, I enjoyed her time in navy blue and I will follow her boxing career - one that I hope is successful but short.
4 goals from 8 very ordinary games, give the extra coin to Vescio who actually won the league goal kicking. Perspective Tayla.
She would probably do the AFLW more good if they dont pay her and she leaves the sport.
Would highlight the inequities more. Call me a cynic.
Just bumping this one for anyone who thinks she or aflw loses if she's lost to the game.
Harfs statement on RSN regarding Tayla Harris:
"Tayla's skill set in AFLW is unique, the challenge for Tayla was to be able to do that week in, week in. From a list management perspective you've got to put a monetary value on that. Clearly we've been unable to make that work"
For that kind of money she would need to perform more than week in and week out - she would need to impose herself several times each quarter. Give the money to Prespakis who tries to carry the team on her back.
For that kind of money she would need to perform more than week in and week out - she would need to impose herself several times each quarter. Give the money to Prespakis who tries to carry the team on her back.
Well said, Ye Rat O' the River.
As I mentioned earlier, I get that she has something special (exceptional marketability) and has a very short time frame to make some good loot to help, significantly, her personal financial situation. I also get that she represents something that is inspirational to girls, young women and women of all ages.
BUT, I love what Harf said - spot on.
AND, to be totally selfish and look at it entirely from a CFC point of view... I am wrapped the club took the stance it did. As a player she seems to me to be exceptional in one area (one dimensional), and one area alone. When it comes to team contribution and significant 4 qtr contribution, as you rightly point out Ye Rat O' the River, Maddy P brings that without pause. Purely from a club viewpoint I would choose Maddy P., Darcy V., and a few others well before Tayla. I apologize if that sounds harsh to some.
re Tayla's form....
Don't write her off based on this years form.
She was playing injured a lot and output was down on previous years.
She is a 2-time AA
2x leading goalkicker.
She won the QAWFL B+F as a 15yo.
She is still only 24.
I've got no issue with the stance the club has taken.
But write Tayla off at your own risk.
For that kind of money she would need to perform more than week in and week out - she would need to impose herself several times each quarter. Give the money to Prespakis who tries to carry the team on her back.
Yes, Erin Phillips style output earns you the big bickies.
I will be sorry to see Tayla go, but we couldn't match what she was asking for without AFL help.
The issue I now have is simple: if another team can match what she wants, can they do it without AFL help? I doubt that greatly. And, if the AFL does provided money and opportunities, then why not to us?
Well said, Ye Rat O' the River.
As I mentioned earlier, I get that she has something special (exceptional marketability) and has a very short time frame to make some good loot to help, significantly, her personal financial situation. I also get that she represents something that is inspirational to girls, young women and women of all ages.
BUT, I love what Harf said - spot on.
AND, to be totally selfish and look at it entirely from a CFC point of view... I am wrapped the club took the stance it did. As a player she seems to me to be exceptional in one area (one dimensional), and one area alone. When it comes to team contribution and significant 4 qtr contribution, as you rightly point out Ye Rat O' the River, Maddy P brings that without pause. Purely from a club viewpoint I would choose Maddy P., Darcy V., and a few others well before Tayla. I apologize if that sounds harsh to some.
If not for "that photo" and the publicity around it, she'd be just an AFLW player.
It's about the marketing, that photo made her the biggest name in the sport.
When asked my wife could only name 5 AFLW players.
Tayla Harris
Darcy Vescio
Erin Phillips
Daisy Pearce
Moana Hope
Her manager is now trying to claim if Tayla doesn't get the deal she wants she will step out of AFLW for a year, basically even if that is free will it is a threat!
Tayla needs to sack her manager, whoever the manager is seems to be the problem!
Years ago there was an VFL/AFL manager who behaved like this, I can't recall his name but he basically ended up on the scrap heap because no club would deal with him! Had quite a few Carlton players in the 80s and 90s.
Her manager is now trying to claim if Tayla doesn't get the deal she wants she will step out of AFLW for a year, basically even if that is free will it is a threat!
Tayla needs to sack her manager, whoever the manager is seems to be the problem!
Years ago there was an VFL/AFL manager who behaved like this, I can't recall his name but he basically ended up on the scrap heap because no club would deal with him! Had quite a few Carlton players in the 80s and 90s.
She will achieve more for the pay agreements and sport if she does exactly that though LP.
Dont view this in respect of the mens pay agreements and deals.
View this in a different way. If AFLW want to keep their stars that are being lured by other codes they must pay them accordingly or suffer the consequences.
Harris is in a win win situation here. She either gets her pay day playing footy, or gets her pay day doing something else.
Harris is in a win win situation here. She either gets her pay day playing footy, or gets her pay day doing something else.
I agree.
But that if true that exposes a contradiction in the Manager's claim that it is not just about the money, it also exposes that Tayla is possibly motivated by pay rather than wins or sport!
I don't think my perspective is overly negative, and can easily be derived or associated with the statements from the manager.
Is it a tad ironic to feel baited by the manager's statements, given Tayla's strong social media stance?
Years ago there was an VFL/AFL manager who behaved like this, I can't recall his name but he basically ended up on the scrap heap because no club would deal with him! Had quite a few Carlton players in the 80s and 90s.
David Allison.
He is a case study for those who believe in Karma.....he is now a quadriplegic after a car accident years ago.
I agree.
But that if true that exposes a contradiction in the Manager's claim that it is not just about the money, it also exposes that Tayla is possibly motivated by pay rather than wins or sport!
I don't think my perspective is overly negative, and can easily be derived or associated with the statements from the manager.
Is it a tad ironic to feel baited by the manager's statements, given Tayla's strong social media stance?
Its not solely about her wages though. Its about pushing the womens game up.... In the favour of giving her more money or she walks to boxing...
I will be sorry to see Tayla go, but we couldn't match what she was asking for without AFL help.
The issue I now have is simple: if another team can match what she wants, can they do it without AFL help? I doubt that greatly. And, if the AFL does provided money and opportunities, then why not to us?
This is my biggest worry in the whole thing.
If the AFLW bow down and give her what they should re marketing the game, then i'd be spitting chips if i was in charge of our AFLW list.
I'd be seeking serious compensation.
This is my biggest worry in the whole thing.
If the AFLW bow down and give her what they should re marketing the game, then i'd be spitting chips if i was in charge of our AFLW list.
I'd be seeking serious compensation.
There's always the possibility that everyone will baulk at the asking price.
There's always the possibility that everyone will baulk at the asking price.
As a club, funding that price off your own bat, yes they will.
That's where Eddie McGuire suggesting the afl step in has me worried, because if it gets to that, the afl probably will step in. At that stage she wouldve burned her bridge at Carlton so it benefits everyone else but us....and that's bs
That's where Eddie McGuire suggesting the afl step in has me worried, because if it gets to that, the afl probably will step in. At that stage she wouldve burned her bridge at Carlton so it benefits everyone else but us....and that's bs
It was going to be like this the moment Tayla's Manager opened their mouth!
It was going to be like this the moment Tayla's Manager opened their mouth!
No, the afl could've come out in support of her staying with us (privately) and ponied up the coin without it getting to this stage
No, the afl could've come out in support of her staying with us (privately) and ponied up the coin without it getting to this stage
That was never going to happen for us.
But the AFL will do it for an expansion club, which is why I suggest her manager has touted standing out for a season.
Dawks, Cheats, Port or Swans enter the comp in 2022 with Tayla as one of the star recruits, I suggest most likely the Swans! ;)
No, the afl could've come out in support of her staying with us (privately) and ponied up the coin without it getting to this stage
What like a back room deal?
Well they have to get players from somewhere, like the last round of expansion, they pinched most of them for existing clubs.
This is a bone I'd like to pick with the likes of Daisy.... Where are the players going to come from Daisy? The pool seems to have plateaued, certainly in my area, recruitment and numbers are a real issue. What I believe is being covered up is how the AFLW is cannibalising other summer sports - I know that one U18 girl who will be drafted in the first couple is an absolutly elite cricketer, others are elite netballers and tennis players. Bet those sports are real happy about the AFLW summer season being expanded. I just don't believe that the overall pool of girls playing sport is bigger now due to AFLW, it's just shuffled the numbers around across different sports.
What like a back room deal?
Not exactly.
When buddy was going to leave hawks to go to gws, the afl was going to throw plenty of money at him to do so.....like they did with izzy folau, and karmichel hunt.
Then buddy did the switchers at the last minute and on his 9 year deal the afl cracked it and said Swans must pay it all, even if he retires early.
The afl have the capacity to get players where they want them if they want them there at all.....remember how dusty was signed sealed and delivered at gws but then it somehow fell through and nobody knows why.....afl stepped in.
What like a back room deal?
Have you heard some of the stuff in The Boy's Club by Michael Warner?
Have you heard some of the stuff in The Boy's Club by Michael Warner?
No I havent
I just read the Crows, Pies, and Bulldogs have confirmed they will not be pursuing Tayla. That phrase "the latest clubs" means others have already ruled themselves out. I wonder who.
https://womens.afl/news/72471
All eyes will be on the out-of-contract Tayla Harris, with Adelaide, Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs the latest clubs to confirm to womens.afl they will not be pursuing the high-flying forward.
I just read the Crows, Pies, and Bulldogs have confirmed they will not be pursuing Tayla. That phrase "the latest clubs" means others have already ruled themselves out. I wonder who.
https://womens.afl/news/72471
All eyes will be on the out-of-contract Tayla Harris, with Adelaide, Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs the latest clubs to confirm to womens.afl they will not be pursuing the high-flying forward.
Both the QLD clubs are included.
Also...Geelong, Fremantle, North Melbourne and Richmond
That leaves (as best as i can tell)
St. Kilda
Melbourne
West Coast
GWS
Both the QLD clubs are included.
Also...Geelong, Fremantle, North Melbourne and Richmond
That leaves (as best as i can tell)
St. Kilda
Melbourne
West Coast
GWS
Thanks.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/harris-likely-to-request-dees-trade-as-saints-drop-out-of-the-race-20210602-p57xho.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/harris-likely-to-request-dees-trade-as-saints-drop-out-of-the-race-20210602-p57xho.html
As much as I like her it is probably the best outcome for Tayla and Carlton.
As much as I like her it is probably the best outcome for Tayla and Carlton.
Yes, tend to agree.
Unfortunately for Tayla the earlier rumor regarding a pay cut seem to have turned out correct, down as much as 40% is being reported.
Hard to believe her management still have a job!
Pretty simple stuff... Don't perform, don't appear committed.... Don't expect a good result.
Pretty simple stuff... Don't perform, don't appear committed.... Don't expect a good result.
Ditto for mens team
So i watched a doco on Tayla Harris - Kick Like A Girl. Its on Amazon.
An hour long doco that somehow seems to have more Brisbane and more Melbourne stuff than Carlton stuff, despite the fact she spent twice as long here as everywhere else combined, but so be it.
They certainly do talk about her time moving from Carlton though....but it is just her side of the story of course.
Important points....
1. The 150k rumour was complete BS.
2. Carlton didn't offer her a contract and when she found out, she broke down in tears.
3. She said she played her first season at Melbourne on the minimum, so she could earn the respect of her teammates.
4. She admitted her head and performance was not up to scratch in her last year with us, which was down to many things, but COVID and not being able to see her family, on the back of all the photo backlash was the main reasons. Which she fully owns up to.
Some things not mentioned...
- Rumour(s) of relationship issues with (former) coaches
- Any kind of backlash from the club in terms of her instagram / training session walkout
- Any feelings at all (good or bad) towards Half.
All in all, she admits it was a business decision and her performances were not up to scratch and she was shipped off as a result.
It cut her deep, especially around the 'reasons' for it (ie money) being completely inaccurate.
From a Carlton point of view, i wonder if it was a matter of...
1. Her performance was simply not good enough
2. We couldn't be bothered trying to get her right
3. She was a bad influence on the playing group or came across as not as committed to Football as she should've been
4. There were personal issues between her and coach(s) that could not be resolved.
or a combination of any/all of the above.
The only comments from Carlton were from Half, and Maddie P. Both relatively glowing.
Considering how many players we have had leave I don't think it's all her fault.
Considering how many players we have had leave I don't think it's all her fault.
One of the discussions i've had on the topic is this, if players are not 100% committed to the cause, send them packing. I don't care if its Tayla Harris, Mitch Robinson or Brendan Fevola, no player is bigger than the jumper. I've been fans of all 3, but have also been in favour of sending them out the door.
Sure, there have been many others that have left. Is Half too harsh on them? If Half just trying to get a list together that is as committed as the girl beside them?!
I once got the opportunity to pose a question to half about his 'non-negotiables' from players. He gave 2, commitment and effort. "If you can't give me both of those, i've got no time for you."
Based on players leaving, it appears that quite a few of them failed that simple test. Clearly Harris was one.
Should/could the club do more to ensure players are in a better position to give proper commitment and effort.....possibly.
Harris had a good season with Melbourne, she was strong at the Lions. Her form slump was with us.
Prespakis, Davey all more than happy to leave.
If that was the mens side and McKay, Cripps and Walsh all wanted out, the coach gets the bullet.
Harris had a good season with Melbourne, she was strong at the Lions. Her form slump was with us.
Prespakis, Davey all more than happy to leave.
If that was the mens side and McKay, Cripps and Walsh all wanted out, the coach gets the bullet.
She had 1 bad year with us and that was covered in the doco.
I'd really like to hear our side of the story.
The fact that most clubs passed on Tayla suggests there's substance to the many stories about how much she and her manager wanted.
Tayla's manager, Alex Saundry, said at the time;
"Tayla is a three-time All-Australian and was Carlton’s leading goalkicker in three out of her four seasons at the club. She was forthcoming with the club about her disappointing season and was proactive in providing solutions to help her return to top form."
"While we are disappointed we haven’t reached a resolution with the club, Tayla’s future remains our priority and we will work through the appropriate next steps with consideration to her upcoming boxing bout in July."
Harf's comments are also revealing:
"It’s been a bit of a difficult negotiation clearly for this one for us and for Tay, because you’ve got to put it all together and make sure you’ve got your reward for all your players who deserve it through the journey and Tay’s had certainly some reward for her efforts through her campaign so far."
"I think the gap was too big. We haven’t been able to find common ground for the contract for Tay at the moment. So it’s in the interest of both parties to just see what you can get outside."
I think the reporting at the time was correct. Tayla and her manager wanted more than the club thought she was worth. She wasn't offered a contract because the asking price was too high.
I'd really like to hear our side of the story.
The fact that most clubs passed on Tayla suggests there's substance to the many stories about how much she and her manager wanted.
Tayla's manager, Alex Saundry, said at the time;
"Tayla is a three-time All-Australian and was Carlton’s leading goalkicker in three out of her four seasons at the club. She was forthcoming with the club about her disappointing season and was proactive in providing solutions to help her return to top form."
"While we are disappointed we haven’t reached a resolution with the club, Tayla’s future remains our priority and we will work through the appropriate next steps with consideration to her upcoming boxing bout in July."
Harf's comments are also revealing:
"It’s been a bit of a difficult negotiation clearly for this one for us and for Tay, because you’ve got to put it all together and make sure you’ve got your reward for all your players who deserve it through the journey and Tay’s had certainly some reward for her efforts through her campaign so far."
"I think the gap was too big. We haven’t been able to find common ground for the contract for Tay at the moment. So it’s in the interest of both parties to just see what you can get outside."
I think the reporting at the time was correct. Tayla and her manager wanted more than the club thought she was worth. She wasn't offered a contract because the asking price was too high.
Tayla tells it like she wanted to stay at carlton, but they never offered her a contract. Carlton were unhappy with her form and had been telling her throughout the year (and possibly her commitment or lack of).
She chose to touch base with Melbourne who were under the impression that she wouldn't leave, but would monitor the situation as she is too good to ignore. When it fell through, they made it happen. She played for minimum.
Reading between the lines, we didn't offer her a contract because we thought she was too much hard work/divisive and not worth the money she was already on. Probably didn't think it was even worth offering her minimum and chose to part ways.
Where the money comes into it it could come form a throwaway line like 'she is worth 150k' rather than she wants/deserves 150k. I said at the time that there was simply no scope for her to be paid that much, basically there is a maximum amount that is possibly which is less than half that....so that number was never accurate.
When half talks about gap, I don't think it's money, but rather commitment to the club and her training.
When her manager talks about Tayla, it includes talk about her boxing, which backs up half worried about her commitment.
Tayla had issues with covid life and it affected her playing output. She is not alone in that and Eddie betts has said similar....and the club saw fit to part ways with him too.
I should say the doco is called - Kick like Tayla
Not kick like a girl, that was her foundation.
Glad to see the back of her.
I thought at the time and still do that Harf was very diplomatic and also appeared very disappointed when the events occurred, he could have and would have been within his rights to expose the shenanigans but he didn't, he basically looked after her by being very reserved and respectful in his comments. Which seems to fit with the idea she was suffering through the COVID lockdown. Just after that interview I heard some interviews with Harrington, Vescio and a couple of others, and they chose the higher ground and said very little, that also suggests a duty of care.
It might be a bit silly for Tayla and / or her manager to rewrite history now, it could easily come back to bite her, it exhibits a bit of immaturity.
Personally, and I think I have mentioned this at least once before, I think from a management perspective she has been very poorly advised.
Half is always very considered with his words. He is in the media after all, but he's always been a good speaker.
All of the girls avoid topics of players who have left the club.
Listening to the 'Behind the Game Changers' has given good insight into the players (and club). There have been times were the topic has been brought up regarding Bri Davey (not by name, but a story that happened to involve her or something). The players refuse to name her and sometimes go as far to say but we can't/won't talk about that.
IT very much appears as they have had media training that we do not talk about anyone who has left the club. So the players being diplomatic is very much par for the course. The girls who remain almost never get 'caught out' with their comments like a lot of the men do.
I thought at the time and still do that Harf was very diplomatic and also appeared very disappointed when the events occurred, he could have and would have been within his rights to expose the shenanigans but he didn't, he basically looked after her by being very reserved and respectful in his comments. Which seems to fit with the idea she was suffering through the COVID lockdown. Just after that interview I heard some interviews with Harrington, Vescio and a couple of others, and they chose the higher ground and said very little, that also suggests a duty of care.
It might be a bit silly for Tayla and / or her manager to rewrite history now, it could easily come back to bite her, it exhibits a bit of immaturity.
Personally, and I think I have mentioned this at least once before, I think from a management perspective she has been very poorly advised.
Harris is me me me player, not one bit of team about her.
Harris is me me me player, not one bit of team about her.
That is a perception you have of her, which will not be backed up by the doco.
...but i don't know why i'm telling you this because your mind is made up and you wont watch it.
The AFL and media have used Harris to promote the game and she has probably had a bit too much publicity to her detriment.
If I was her father I'd be wanting her off the TV, out of the paper and concentrating on getting a kick as well as looking at life after sport. I dont want to be reading how she has become a nobody when everyone has moved on from her and left Harris being on the scrapheap when the marketers have finished with her and you can read her bio in the $2 bin at the local 2nd hand book store.
The AFL and media have used Harris to promote the game and she has probably had a bit too much publicity to her detriment.
If I was her father I'd be wanting her off the TV, out of the paper and concentrating on getting a kick as well as looking at life after sport. I dont want to be reading how she has become a nobody when everyone has moved on from her and left Harris being on the scrapheap when the marketers have finished with her and you can read her bio in the $2 bin at the local 2nd hand book store.
It's seems almost inevitable on the current trajectory, we've seen the very same from other sporting types a 1000 times before.
It's seems almost inevitable on the current trajectory, we've seen the very same from other sporting types a 1000 times before.
Yep its a familiar scenario....David Parkin was well ahead of his time with concerns about footballers after football and not having
anything else to fall back on. Just hope that Tayla Harris gets the right advice, listens,and we dont see her on current affair talking about how the game screwed with her life and spat her out with nothing except a statue to remind her of glory days.
A small snippet on the doco...
https://www.womens.afl/video/94529/tayla-harris-if-it-didn-t-happen-to-me-it-would-ve-happened-to-someone-else
That is a perception you have of her, which will not be backed up by the doco.
...but i don't know why i'm telling you this because your mind is made up and you wont watch it.
I wouldn't waste my time.
I wouldn't waste my time.
I expect nothing less from you.
Ignorance is bliss.
I expect nothing less from you.
Ignorance is bliss.
Ignorant am I? You wouldn't know me from a bar of soap and yet make garbage comment like that. If I don't want to waste my time on someone, I don't need to do it to appease you. can't you just leave it at that? Instead you need to behave like a bully and play the man. Make this the last time we interact please.
Ignorant am I? You wouldn't know me from a bar of soap and yet make garbage comment like that. If I don't want to waste my time on someone, I don't need to do it to appease you. can't you just leave it at that? Instead you need to behave like a bully and play the man. Make this the last time we interact please.
You constantly post in threads that you say you have no interest in.
Give an opinion that you don't allow any evidence to the contrary.
I just don't see the point.
My question is this....if you don't care, and your opinion is made up...why do you feel the need to post in the threads that are a waste of your time.
If you want to interact, do it otherwise why waste your own time?