Carlton came out with 3 list changes today, none of which are that surprising:
[1] Poppy Schaap - 3 games in 2 seasons for 3 goals
[2] Charlotte Hammans - 5 games in 3 seasons.
[3] Jessica Jones - 0 games
Of those, we traded for Hammans, so her results are disappointing. Schaap was a supplementary pick.
Surprised Schaap delisted given 3 goals in her 2 games this season even if she did struggle to get into the team until the end of the season. I mean it's not like we were flooded with goalkickers.
Schaap game with a lot of hope, but delivered not much. Her last 2 games she showed some good signs, but sadly, was not really going to work out long term.
There is always the option to redraft her, but for a small forward, she was very small, and very slow, and had a short kick on her.
Not much scope to grow.
A bit like Luke Parks in the mens. Gave it his all, solid effort, limited room to get better.
Schaap game with a lot of hope, but delivered not much. Her last 2 games she showed some good signs, but sadly, was not really going to work out long term.
There is always the option to redraft her, but for a small forward, she was very small, and very slow, and had a short kick on her.
Not much scope to grow.
A bit like Luke Parks in the mens. Gave it his all, solid effort, limited room to get better.
Not a bad comparison, although Parks has size, speed, a good leap and no fear.
We have to limil bringing in players who are marginal at best.
Not Carlton related, but list changes nonetheless...
Daisy Pearce is hanging up the boots.
She got her premiership.
Go out on top.
Not Carlton related, but list changes nonetheless...
Daisy Pearce is hanging up the boots.
She got her premiership.
Go out on top.
Daisy is very likable, don't follow the AFLW but given the Carlton ladies team struggles I think Daisy would be a handy addition to the staff in some capacity.
Daisy is very likable, don't follow the AFLW but given the Carlton ladies team struggles I think Daisy would be a handy addition to the staff in some capacity.
I'm not sure what came of it, but at some stage she was signed up for the Geelong mens team as some kind of coach.
Handy addition to anyone who can get her.
I'm not sure what came of it, but at some stage she was signed up for the Geelong mens team as some kind of coach.
Handy addition to anyone who can get her.
Yes, Daisy starts as an assistant coach at Geelong now. Geelong signed her up as an assistant as part of the AFL’s Women’s Coach Acceleration Program and the deal is that she starts her two year contract upon retirement.
Lucy McEvoy's gorn!
She is joining Sydney as one of their Priority Signings.
I think that Lucy is a player we can ill-afford to lose >:(
The Filth lost Chloe Molloy who was a potential captain, we've lost a bunch of players and now we've lost McEvoy.
It's hard to see how the AFL thinks this is a positive, for me this sort of development player movement is doing a lot of damage to the AFLW, damage that will take years and years for the competition to recover from.
Why would you bother investing, if we knew what was coming I doubt we would have ever accepted the grants to redeveloped the ground into the defacto AFLW Headquarters?
https://www.womens.afl/news/118429/blue-on-the-move-swans-to-gain-another-gun-via-psp
The Blues' recent instability, losing both coach and head of footy after an external review into the program, is understood to have counted against the club when making the decision to move.
The Blues' recent instability, losing both coach and head of footy after an external review into the program, is understood to have counted against the club when making the decision to move.
The above is a bit of a throw away line from the media, because the same media were asserting weeks back that one of the reasons Harf got kyboshed was because players wanted a fulltime coach!
This is the old fashioned batting both hands trick, so no matter which leg you get hit on you can claim it was outside the line!
The above is a bit of a throw away line from the media, because the same media were asserting weeks back that one of the reasons Harf got kyboshed was because players wanted a fulltime coach!
This is the old fashioned batting both hands trick, so no matter which leg you get hit on you can claim it was outside the line!
I suspect Lucy's decision was largely influenced by the money on offer and, possibly, choice of playing position.
I suspect Lucy's decision was largely influenced by the money on offer and, possibly, choice of playing position.
I don't know about McEvoy, but do not underestimate lifestyle either.
I know a whole bunch of AFLW girls just spent a few weeks up in Sindney extending on from the Mardi Gras to World Pride, coincidentally a friends son was on the same bus!
If you are AFLWLGBEQITx-Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, then outside of a plane flight directly to San Francisco it seems Sindney is global ground zero, which is ironic because NSW is also the area you are more likely to find people praying that they will wake up to find a few pillars of salt!
I really don't know the reasons why McEvoy left and we should be wary of our speculation, however she is another good player who has left the Club. This is of concern.
I suspect Lucy's decision was largely influenced by the money on offer and, possibly, choice of playing position.
Money, sure, she'll get more for leaving.
Playing position would certainly be something she'd take into account.
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The fact she has a coach up there would also make a difference! ::)
I hope we are resurrecting Norm Smith and thats why we haven't made a coaching announcement yet. Otherwise i don't know what we are waiting for.
I feel as supporters we've stuck by our AFLW list more than just about any other club, and we haven't been rewarded for showing support from day one, instead I feel deserted!
Have a look at CheatsFC fans, halfway into the last season after a few losses they were calling for Prespakis to be trade away for draft picks!
I really don't know the reasons why McEvoy left and we should be wary of our speculation, however she is another good player who has left the Club. This is of concern.
Here is a 'best 21' team i put together of players who have wanted out at Carlton AFLW
FB Exon Wilson
HB McEvoy Jakobsson Gay
C Brazzalle Prespakis Egan
HF Loynes Harris Gee
FF Stevens Jones
R Watt Davey Arnell
INT S.Hosking J. Hosking Lucas-Rodd
Dalton Downie
I'm sure i've missed plenty in there 2.
Kate Shierlaw's another one.
Some of those were pushed out rather than wanting out but the point's still valid; we've lost some good footballers and some mediocre ones.
I'm sure that I remember AFL clubs nominating players to go to expansion teams back in the day. That would have been a better process than allowing the AFLW expansion clubs to cherrypick.
There may have been lots of reasons for her leaving but don't quickly dismiss instability and uncertainty as one of them.
We're a bit like a sieve, leaking players each year.
We probably wouldn't be an attractive destination club, and perhaps not one where you're confident, as a player, about the future.
It's hard to be a supporter of that when the players themselves seem a bit mercenary.
Kate Shierlaw's another one.
Some of those were pushed out rather than wanting out but the point's still valid; we've lost some good footballers and some mediocre ones.
I'm sure that I remember AFL clubs nominating players to go to expansion teams back in the day. That would have been a better process than allowing the AFLW expansion clubs to cherrypick.
I actually had Shierlaw as one, but then left her out of the side when i was putting it together as i had her behind Harris, Stevens and Courtney Jones as forward.
The comp has become a joke.
The biggest problem with the AFL is too many Melbourne clubs yet we created a women's comp with the same teams.
The comp has become a joke.
The biggest problem with the AFL is too many Melbourne clubs yet we created a women's comp with the same teams.
That's actually a pretty good point.
It's going to create the same problems of relocation and retention that the mens competition experiences.
The problem is there probably needs to be that overall club structure to support the women's comp in these early years rather than esatablishing new entities.
Which teams would miss out.
North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne, Hawthorn and StKilda.
The comp has become a joke.
The biggest problem with the AFL is too many Melbourne clubs yet we created a women's comp with the same teams.
Agree with Principal LODS, excellent point MBB.
From the get-go the AFL seem to have treated the AFLW as an after thought and really didn't think through the comps development.
With so many clubs talent availability is spread very thin, impacting quality. And as for the idea of extracting (best?) players from established clubs... ::) The AFL might argue 'short term pain for long term gain'. Bullshizen. A more gradual introduction of new clubs should have followed the AFL's (flawed) model of simply giving new clubs access to draft priority picks.
Perhaps if you're a disadvantaged Melbourne based club you might be forced to consider mergers.
At the moment, the AFLW players / player managers are playing a game of supply and demand, but to me it doesn't look sustainable and the game's authorities should be switched on to stopping the competition from shooting itself in the foot before it has reached sustainability.
However, to me the Admin look scared, scared of being labelled discriminatory, sexist, homophobic or even misogynist, so they have let the competition run wild like an out of control rich kiddies.
For the slightly more cynical amongst us, you might even be forgiven for now thinking the whole competition is now a pretty shallow attempt to harvest sponsorship dollars and political will from a minority sector. For example, would the redevelopment of our home ground have got the same support and go ahead from local and federal authorities without AFLW / VFLW involvement?
Our club has been proposing this sort of redevelopment for decades, and has been refused year after year and proposal after proposal, those refusals were one of the reasons we ended up at Docklands for so many games. But AFLW and VFLW get involved and it sails through unopposed, call me cynical if you like but the shift in wind direction stands out like balls on a bull!
The comp has become a joke.
The biggest problem with the AFL is too many Melbourne clubs yet we created a women's comp with the same teams.
They've made a rod for their own back with it too. If clubs never got a womens team, so be it.
Now they all have, try and take them away and see how that goes!
North Melbourne/Tasmanian Kangaroos will also have issues in the future if the AFLW want to copy the AFL with a dedicated standalone Tassie team...it shafts NM....or at least brings them back to the melbourne pack.
Similarly with Adelaide and the NT.....although i'm not sure if that bond still exists as it did in its inception.
It could raise an interesting situation down the track.
I think it's probably a fair bet that there will be no new expansion teams in Victoria.
If anything there may be a reduction of Victorian sides.
There may possibly be expansion sides in other states.
We may have a situation where an AFL team (club) goes to the wall....yet the AFLW side is extremely successful.
Does the AFLW side fold as well?
Harriet Cordner to Carlton, Nat Plane to the Aints.
Bit sad to see Nat go, as the kids say she was an OG.
How and why did we miss out on Chiocci again?
How and why did we miss out on Chiocci again?
She was drafted by Collingwood after our first pick with their second. We picked Bianca Jacobson as our first draft pick in that draft. We had our next pick 2 selections after she was gone, so its possible that we gambled on her still being there and lost.
She was drafted by Collingwood after our first pick with their second. We picked Bianca Jacobson as our first draft pick in that draft. We had our next pick 2 selections after she was gone, so its possible that we gambled on her still being there and lost.
The Filth lowballed her on a new contract and the Aints offered a better deal so now she has gone from the Filth to the Aints!
Oh sorry, I misinterpreted your question.
I mistook it as a question of how we originally missed her. The second time round is likely purely to do with AFL politics and the Saints girls being a destination club. Ultimately, all any player wants to do is win a flag, and Carlton are not in the frame to do that right now.
Oh sorry, I misinterpreted your question.
I mistook it as a question of how we originally missed her. The second time round is likely purely to do with AFL politics and the Saints girls being a destination club. Ultimately, all any player wants to do is win a flag, and Carlton are not in the frame to do that right now.
We are closer than Saints are though!
They need experience and talent. Would've paid her better than what anyone else would've. Getting long in the tooth (for a footballer) is Steph.
We are closer than Saints are though!
They need experience and talent. Would've paid her better than what anyone else would've. Getting long in the tooth (for a footballer) is Steph.
I suspect the girls will play longer / older than men.
I suspect the girls will play longer / older than men.
They do.
However, Steph is already 34.
How many players are over 34 playing AFL?
I'll answer for you, 3.
So nothing against her, but she's past her prime.
I think that too much is being read into this.
The Saints put a trade proposal to the Pies that was too good for them to refuse. The Saints get some much needed if short term talent and the Pies get equally much needed young talent.
We were never a realistic destination for Steph … as romantic as that outcome would have been.
Gibbs Out
Read In
Will be interesting, I though Gibbs gave us a bit of structure after some other tall departures, Read is a medium forward.
Gibbs Out
Read In
Will be interesting, I though Gibbs gave us a bit of structure after some other tall departures, Read is a medium forward.
I thought that Serena was going to be a ripper but she never realised her potential and has been left behind by our other key forward options (if they can stay on the park) and Jess Good resting forward.
Tahlia is more likely to have an impact and is a good mark for her size.
Serena will probably do OK with the Frockers ... but that's footy.
Gibbs Out
Read In
Will be interesting, I though Gibbs gave us a bit of structure after some other tall departures, Read is a medium forward.
Will have to look up Read as cannot recall anything about her based on the name alone.
Gibbs reminded me of Jason McCartney and a few other 'types' that Terry Wallace (i think?) had a rather unflattering and non-pc label for.
Right size, right attributes, just a bit slow in body, mind and execution.....and thus output.
I think the recruitement of Kez's mate Jess Good was the final nail in the coffin for Gibbs as they play a similar role, but Good seems like more of a threat, even if she is more raw by comparison.
The story on the AFLW website shows Gibbs celebrating a goal in 2021, being congratulated by 2 other carlton girls.
None of which are playing for carlton in 2023 - Gee and Stevens, the other 2. Sigh.
The story on the AFLW website shows Gibbs celebrating a goal in 2021, being congratulated by 2 other carlton girls.
None of which are playing for carlton in 2023 - Gee and Stevens, the other 2. Sigh.
Yes, I just accept the club are extending some creative license to the AFLW spin at the moment, they rely on fans being ignorant of AFLW / VFLW players which is a bit sad.
Perhaps it's a bit of fun though, for the little ones to get excited about.
I must admit, I was wholly unconvinced by Jess Good when we recruited her, but I gladly admit to being wrong about her as she looks better and better every game.