A new "member", kniggit, is spamming us and the mods don't have the authority/ability to delete the account.
A delete request has been sent up the line but, until kniggit is no more, don't open its posts and definitely don't click on any links.
Seems like the mods need more power... I cant believe i just wrote that !
HAHA !!
To Kniggits credit, it seems he/it has been lurking for a long time.
Seems like the mods need more power... I cant believe i just wrote that !
HAHA !!
To Kniggits credit, it seems he/it has been lurking for a long time.
Perhaps kniggit’s account has been hacked 🤔
Seems like the mods need more power... I cant believe i just wrote that !
HAHA !!
To Kniggits credit, it seems he/it has been lurking for a long time.
Maybe so, but we don't need any crap going through here. It is hard enough to keep it out of email and social media sites.
Perhaps kniggit’s account has been hacked 🤔
Yep, not every malicious post comes directly from the malicious actor, kniggit's probably got a device now that has become a hapless bot!
Perhaps kniggit’s account has been hacked 🤔
Dunno why, but when i opened the post and saw the poster (kniggit) I just thought that he had form for this stuff... maybe I'm wrong but maybe admin in years gone by didn't actually delete the account ?
EDIT
I just checked hes got 3 surviving posts but sounds like an Essendon supporter :D
Probably been hacked now...
A new "member", kniggit, is spamming us and the mods don't have the authority/ability to delete the account.
A delete request has been sent up the line but, until kniggit is no more, don't open its posts and definitely don't click on any links.
Clearly a fan of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.....
'Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries' (in a very poor French accent)
I thought this was worth saving:
You don't frighten us, English pig-dog! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person. I blow my nose on you, so-called Arthur-king, you and your silly English K...kaniggets
At least kniggit posts his spam in the correct area ::)
At least kniggit posts his spam in the correct area ::)
He's a credit and example to low life trolls and spammers everywhere. ;)
Looks like we got hit by a bit of a hack earlier on. :(
Yes, I saw that. Looks like someone from Brazil. My recommendation, is to pretend that the hackers got access to the username and password information for all parties, and if you use your CSC user and password combo anywhere else, start going through a process of changing that password.
If you use that password in a pattern that might be worth changing elsewhere too. Painful, but the alternative is more painful.
Yes, I saw that. Looks like someone from Brazil. My recommendation, is to pretend that the hackers got access to the username and password information for all parties, and if you use your CSC user and password combo anywhere else, start going through a process of changing that password.
If you use that password in a pattern that might be worth changing elsewhere too. Painful, but the alternative is more painful.
This was not a DB hack. This was script kiddies uploading a PHP file somehow to the the root directory. This has happened because no one is maintaining the site. I have uploaded the most recent patches to the site and applied the correct permissions to the folders\files after the updates.
Unless someone does take over looking after the site, this will happen again in the future. We have backups as a fallback, but I don't have the time.
This was not a DB hack. This was script kiddies uploading a PHP file somehow to the the root directory. This has happened because no one is maintaining the site. I have uploaded the most recent patches to the site and applied the correct permissions to the folders\files after the updates.
Unless someone does take over looking after the site, this will happen again in the future. We have backups as a fallback, but I don't have the time.
Spanner I mean no disrespect when I stated what I did.
I am cautious by nature when it comes to any hack, and that is to go straight into protection mode.
I also don't blame you for this occurring, and thanks for any help you do provide because like you state someone isnt maintaining the site, and you don't have time.
Its just sign of the times we live in, where these things happen.
As an aside I tried to contact Lods and kruddler via mobi but possibly they’ve changed numbers since the old days ?
As an aside I tried to contact Lods and kruddler via mobi but possibly they’ve changed numbers since the old days ?
I responded to you....an hour or so after i got it. Did you not get a response?
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As an aside I tried to contact Lods and kruddler via mobi but possibly they’ve changed numbers since the old days ?
No. I got it too and sent you a message back also.
Spanner highlights a problem that really needs to be addressed if we want this site to continue. We need someone with the ability to do the maintenance or we need to perhaps look at alternatives in terms of the way the site is hosted and maintained. Spanner just doesn't have the time.
Another thing that may be useful would be an alternative emergency site for such times to keep folks in the loop. We're relying on old contacts that may have elapsed and the mods/admin have changed or aren't as active.
I think tech support is one issue, the other is audience participation. Let's face it - this site has been in slow decline for a number of years. We've had hardly any new members in ages, many of the semi regulars from seasons past no longer contribute, and we are left with the same dozen or so old timers squabbling about whatever. Of course things are quieter in the off season, but even during the season, the sense of decline is clearly palpable IMO.
I think tech support is one issue, the other is audience participation. Let's face it - this site has been in slow decline for a number of years. We've had hardly any new members in ages, many of the semi regulars from seasons past no longer contribute, and we are left with the same dozen or so old timers squabbling about whatever. Of course things are quieter in the off season, but even during the season, the sense of decline is clearly palpable IMO.
I wish I could say that you were wrong, but I can't. It is an easily seen trend when looking at the number of people voting in the Jim Park Award. The numbers have trended lower ever since I've taken up duty on it.
I wish I had the tech skills and the space on a server to deal with the technical side of CSC, but I don't.
I responded to you....an hour or so after i got it. Did you not get a response?
No.
No to both you and Lods 🤷🏼♂️
God no, I’ve entered the twilight zone !! 😱
I guess the youngsters don’t really do forum discussion, they just see a topic, jump into it and blurt out whatever is on their mind and then on to the next, they don’t really care about what others thoughts and opinions are or if their thought has already been enunciated.
Which is how I’ve always felt about TC, (which I tried unsuccessfully to log into today seeking information about what had happened to us)
I think tech support is one issue, the other is audience participation. Let's face it - this site has been in slow decline for a number of years. We've had hardly any new members in ages, many of the semi regulars from seasons past no longer contribute, and we are left with the same dozen or so old timers squabbling about whatever. Of course things are quieter in the off season, but even during the season, the sense of decline is clearly palpable IMO.
I like you to know I'm a very young at heart old timer. :D :D
I guess the youngsters don’t really do forum discussion, they just see a topic, jump into it and blurt out whatever is on their mind and then on to the next, they don’t really care about what others thoughts and opinions are or if their thought has already been enunciated.
Which is how I’ve always felt about TC, (which I tried unsuccessfully to log into today seeking information about what had happened to us)
New members don't have to be young though - they could be our age group.
New members don't have to be young though - they could be our age group.
“We” are a funny demographic though…
I’m 56, I think a few guys here are +10 on me and there’s probably only 1 or 2 that are -10yrs.
I haven’t found anyone online that I went to secondary school with and was close to for eg…
We are a demographic that’s either embraced the internet or have hidden from it, not many in between.
No doubt the rise of the Facebook fan pages has affected the discussions on forums.
We used to say (somewhat sarcastically) that bigfooty was for kids.
Well a lot of those kids have grown into thirty somethings now and have probably stuck with that forum.
It's funny though...when I looked at our forum just after the glitch we had 11 registered users online but something like 160 guest viewers.
It's currently at 7 registered and 82 guests.
I don't know how accurate the figure is but we may have a few folks who just visit, read and don't post.
I'm not sure how much of the forum is visible to the 'unregistered' at the moment but if we could turn some of those visitors into contributors it might be useful.
Either way, we're an endangered species and we have to find a way of re-inventing ourselves, or we will die out.
No doubt the rise of the Facebook fan pages has affected the discussions on forums.
We used to say (somewhat sarcastically) that bigfooty was for kids.
Well a lot of those kids have grown into thirty somethings now and have probably stuck with that forum.
It's funny though...when I looked at our forum just after the glitch we had 11 registered users online but something like 160 guest viewers.
It's currently at 7 registered and 82 guests.
I don't know how accurate the figure is but we may have a few folks who just visit, read and don't post.
I'm not sure how much of the forum is visible to the 'unregistered' at the moment but if we could turn some of those visitors into contributors it might be useful.
Either way, we're an endangered species and we have to find a way of re-inventing ourselves, or we will die out.
I'm one of the younger ones because my age starts with a '4'.
I remember when we had 15, 13, 10yo's who used to post regularly.
You might get the odd one come back to post occasionally (JWG or whatever her new name is now) has posted in the last 12 months on occassions, think she was 16 back in the day. BG used to post here but prefers the (dare i say it) 'incestuous' nature of facebook where if you don't drink from the coolaid you get banned. I literally got banned for backing up our coach - cannot recall if it was Teague or Halford (or both) but they wanted blood and if they couldn't get the coach they would get anyone who supported them. ::)
There is no new blood coming in, and while it is a shame, its somewhat unique.
We are like the animals of Madagascar, allowed to evolve largely untouched by the outside word, living in (mostly) harmony and as a result are different to the rest of the worlds creatures who exhibit much different traits.
How many are active?
Lets ask them.....
There is no new blood coming in, and while it is a shame, its somewhat unique.
We are like the animals of Madagascar, allowed to evolve largely untouched by the outside word, living in (mostly) harmony and as a result are different to the rest of the worlds creatures who exhibit much different traits.
I reckon it's more like "Lord of the Flies" ;D ;D
I reckon it's more like "Lord of the Flies" ;D ;D
Pot-ay-to
Pot-ah-to
Anyway, i've started a poll, so we can see how active people are.
Its in the notice board, which may mean some people will never see it, depending on how they use the site, but it'll give us some idea on how many lurkers we have.
Anyway, i've started a poll, so we can see how active people are.
Its in the notice board, which may mean some people will never see it, depending on how they use the site, but it'll give us some idea on how many lurkers we have.
Probably a lot of those 'guests' are bot thingys
The thing with the poll is those real guests will have to register to vote.....
Ah....Good thinkin' 99! ;D
Probably a lot of those 'guests' are bot thingys
The thing with the poll is those real guests will have to register to vote.....
Ah....Good thinkin' 99! ;D
From memory, a lot of the guests are also members who have multiple tabs/windows open. So if I have 5 csc tabs open (I click on unread and open them up in separate tabs) then I will show up as "kruddler" and also 4 guests
Old timers squabbling about whatever?
Maybe the forum should take the Soylent Green approach, when the old timers get to 65 plus we just obliterate their accounts and turn them into biscuits....
Old timers squabbling about whatever?
Maybe the forum should take the Soylent Green approach, when the old timers get to 65 plus we just obliterate their accounts and turn them into biscuits....
But who would play Ol Granite Face Heston ?
But who would play Ol Granite Face Heston ?
Someone who could drive a chariot..sorry
wrong film.
Any old geezer from the forum, we have a plethora of the squabbling old buggers to choose from ...
Cmon, EB, you know you were insulted with the best of intentions… 🤣
Lods was pretty handy with chariots back in the day, I wonder if he could adapt to those new fangled round wheels though…? 🤔
🤣🤣
Cmon, EB, you know you were insulted with the best of intentions… 🤣
Lods was pretty handy with chariots back in the day, I wonder if he could adapt to those new fangled round wheels though…? 🤔
🤣🤣
I can drive a manual OK, but I'm not comfortable with the new automatics, which basically drive themselves...and don't get me started on those electric models. ::)
Cmon, EB, you know you were insulted with the best of intentions… 🤣
Lods was pretty handy with chariots back in the day, I wonder if he could adapt to those new fangled round wheels though…? 🤔
🤣🤣
You got the insulted bit right NT, maybe we should have a rookie list on the forum where ageing posters can be put on before being delisted.
We can all wear our cardigans and have our own special thread about Viagra and Hearing aids etc...
Reckon Lods would be a very safe Chariot driver, think he has a Corolla from memory😃👍.
You got the insulted bit right NT, maybe we should have a rookie list on the forum where ageing posters can be put on before being delisted.
We can all wear our cardigans and have our own special thread about Viagra and Hearing aids etc...
Reckon Lods would be a very safe Chariot driver, think he has a Corolla from memory😃👍.
That's a pretty good memory. ;)
Mostly Corollas, currently a Yaris
I did flirt with a Daihatsu charade for 300,000 km ;D
You got the insulted bit right NT, maybe we should have a rookie list on the forum where ageing posters can be put on before being delisted.
We can all wear our cardigans and have our own special thread about Viagra and Hearing aids etc...
Reckon Lods would be a very safe Chariot driver, think he has a Corolla from memory😃👍.
The way I used the phrase "old timers" was to denote people who have been on these forums forever, i.e "an experienced or long serving person." This is a perfectly legit definition of the phrase. It can also be used to indicate an old person. At any rate, I apologise if you found this to be insulting or derogatory, although I would prefer it if you approached me directly rather than engaging in back door, indirect, inflammatory jibes.
The facts don't lie. The majority of regulars on here are :
a. over 50, and the rest are over 40
b. white.
c. male
d. Victorian
e. Carlton supporters
This forum was set up for Carlton fans, so I have no issue with point e. It is perfectly reasonable and to be expected. Some people may have no issue with points a to d, but I do. I think the site experience would be better with greater diversity.
I feel like I should be apologising for being a white male over 50 from Victoria.
My indirect jibes were more in jest than inflammatory but I seem to have the perception you think us old Victorian Whities are holding back progression on this forum and our old timer chat is putting off new younger members?
Must every thread become hijacked to be about race, gender, age, sex, religion, diversity etc debate? I am frankly sick to death of it and just about had enough.
The way I used the phrase "old timers" was to denote people who have been on these forums forever, i.e "an experienced or long serving person." This is a perfectly legit definition of the phrase. It can also be used to indicate an old person. At any rate, I apologise if you found this to be insulting or derogatory, although I would prefer it if you approached me directly rather than engaging in back door, indirect, inflammatory jibes.
The facts don't lie. The majority of regulars on here are :
a. over 50, and the rest are over 40
b. white.
c. male
d. Victorian
e. Carlton supporters
This forum was set up for Carlton fans, so I have no issue with point e. It is perfectly reasonable and to be expected. Some people may have no issue with points a to d, but I do. I think the site experience would be better with greater diversity.
I don't think there's a lot wrong with your demographics.
Funny thing is the moderating/admin team of the site has often been made up of interstaters and/or females.
But on the general forum we've developed into a comfortable little niche group.
That probably occurs more because people leave for various reasons, rather than being driven away.
Tastes change and young people find different interests.
Others who find the site fills a need in their life, even a small one, stick with it.
Over a 25 year period there has been significant change in the way football fans access their social and news media.
People these days often want the quick fix.
At one time, when I first became involved, the main attraction for me was the information a forum like this gave me, especially being an interstater.
We had two or three people giving us direct training reports.
'Going ons' around the club could only be found on the forums.
Nowadays that sort of thing is readily available on facebook, the club website or the media.
So...we may have a problem now, but what's the solution?
How do you attract new blood.
Must every thread become hijacked to be about race, gender, age, sex, religion, diversity etc debate? I am frankly sick to death of it and just about had enough.
...and that's how we lose folks.
It also happens with coaches, players admin etc, when something pervades other threads.
It causes moderators grief and frustration.(This thread is about spam...but we're well off track and I'm as much to blame as anyone).
It's cost us some of our best posters who have been both fed up with it, but also offenders called to account.
That's a pretty good memory. ;)
Mostly Corollas, currently a Yaris
I did flirt with a Daihatsu charade for 300,000 km ;D
😱
The way I used the phrase "old timers" was to denote people who have been on these forums forever, i.e "an experienced or long serving person." This is a perfectly legit definition of the phrase. It can also be used to indicate an old person. At any rate, I apologise if you found this to be insulting or derogatory, although I would prefer it if you approached me directly rather than engaging in back door, indirect, inflammatory jibes.
The facts don't lie. The majority of regulars on here are :
a. over 50, and the rest are over 40
b. white.
c. male
d. Victorian
e. Carlton supporters
This forum was set up for Carlton fans, so I have no issue with point e. It is perfectly reasonable and to be expected. Some people may have no issue with points a to d, but I do. I think the site experience would be better with greater diversity.
There are reasons why we have a low female membership.
I know of one who was told to move on and she believed it wasn’t just her that received that treatment.
I feel like I should be apologising for being a white male over 50 from Victoria.
My indirect jibes were more in jest than inflammatory but I seem to have the perception you think us old Victorian Whities are holding back progression on this forum and our old timer chat is putting off new younger members?
Because of who we are, the site has a “feel” that reflects that, nothing more or less.
Ps
I know you were jesting EB, but you were “stung” a bit.
There are reasons why we have a low female membership.
I know of one who was told to move on and she believed it wasn’t just her that received that treatment.
I'm not sure who you are referring too, but i can assure you there have been multiple males who have been told to move on over the years, so sheer statistics suggest a female would be included eventually.
As a former moderator (and current mod of ladies lounge), i can honestly say that there has never been any discussion on moving any particular demographic. Whether that refers to age, gender, location, religion or even team barracked for (we used to have a few non-carlton posters over the years - including Joffa!) its never been a directive.
I'd like to see some kind of proof of this behaviour if its available.
I could probably reel off at least 10 regular female posters we've had over the years and none have ever expressed similar to me before.
Because of who we are, the site has a “feel” that reflects that, nothing more or less.
Ps
I know you were jesting EB, but you were “stung” a bit.
Yep I was stung NT and disappointed...
Yep I was stung NT and disappointed...
I felt the original comment was intended well.
Besides, how do you think I felt being lumped in with all you old buggars !? 🤣
Old timers squabbling about whatever?
Maybe the forum should take the Soylent Green approach, when the old timers get to 65 plus we just obliterate their accounts and turn them into biscuits....
Mm, Soylent Green. Think I'd make a good salted, caramel Tim Tam ;D
I felt the original comment was intended well.
Besides, how do you think I felt being lumped in with all you old buggars !? 🤣
I can help you fill out your seniors card application..😎
Like GTC I am a tad over every debate becoming a diversity, race, AGE, gender issue where 50 plus white males from Anglo/European backgrounds are responsible for Australia's problems and now the forums lack of new younger members. As far as I knew it was a open platform to talk about all things Carlton Football club and other topics of mainstream life. I didn't know I was a member of a elitist core running an agenda with Freemason like qualities...
Personally I actually like hearing different and diverse voices.
I also enjoy listening to and adding to the banter with/from the opposition fans at games (not that I get to many)
I’ve never understood people who only want to sit amongst “their” fellow fans, I mean they might be collingwood supporters but they still (only just) qualify as being human… usually.
I can help you fill out your seniors card application..😎
Like GTC I am a tad over every debate becoming a diversity, race, AGE, gender issue where 50 plus white males from Anglo/European backgrounds are responsible for Australia's problems and now the forums lack of new younger members. As far as I knew it was a open platform to talk about all things Carlton Football club and other topics of mainstream life. I didn't know I was a member of a elitist core running an agenda with Freemason like qualities...
It's pretty poor form to resort to hyperbole and dog whistling to elicit sympathy and support, for comments that were :
a. simple statements of facts
b. not directed at you
c. not directed at anyone.
It's pretty poor form to resort to hyperbole and dog whistling to elicit sympathy and support, for comments that were :
a. simple statements of facts
b. not directed at you
c. not directed at anyone.
Your statement....
same dozen or so old timers squabbling about whatever.I guess the "whatever" is meaningless and boring topics/chat in many cases to a younger person who might not know the medieval subject matter well and I get that but that doesnt mean you can demean it with a throw away line(indirect jibe) and call it squabble whatever stuff because its of zero interest to you.
You and I both know your reference to "old timers" isnt just time on the forum but you must have known that most of those with more time on the forum are going to be those 50 plus etc in the main.
Not directed at me or anyone?...really?......once again given your dirty dozen of old timers are 50 plus white males from Victoria it is directed at me and anyone else with those demographics.
I think this is more about your political, social, environmental views etc being different to the Grey Army who have different value sets and I know you have had heated debates and got frustrated with the lack of support you get and how you perceive the Old Timers sticking together because they share values of past era's.
I get that you want younger members who share your more modern views, political leanings etc and who can talk about topics relevant to you and I'm all for more members of all age groups but singling out 50 plus white Victorians?.....what has skin colour got to do with anyone presenting their views or membership demographics? That comment alone shows me your outburst is more about your frustration with what you see as the dominant group of older regulars on the forum who might not share some of your views on eg racism etc.
Dog whistling?....I dont need to call other members of that demographic group to help put/backup my point of view across and often run against the tide on many topics with the other old time regulars but i never engage in bullying which is how you perceive how some debates operate against you.
Your statement.... same dozen or so old timers squabbling about whatever.
I guess the "whatever" is meaningless and boring topics/chat in many cases to a younger person who might not know the medieval subject matter well and I get that but that doesnt mean you can demean it with a throw away line(indirect jibe) and call it squabble whatever stuff because its of zero interest to you.
You and I both know your reference to "old timers" isnt just time on the forum but you must have known that most of those with more time on the forum are going to be those 50 plus etc in the main.
Not directed at me or anyone?...really?......once again given your dirty dozen of old timers are 50 plus white males from Victoria it is directed at me and anyone else with those demographics.
I think this is more about your political, social, environmental views etc being different to the Grey Army who have different value sets and I know you have had heated debates and got frustrated with the lack of support you get and how you perceive the Old Timers sticking together because they share values of past era's.
I get that you want younger members who share your more modern views, political leanings etc and who can talk about topics relevant to you and I'm all for more members of all age groups but singling out 50 plus white Victorians?.....what has skin colour got to do with anyone presenting their views or membership demographics? That comment alone shows me your outburst is more about your frustration with what you see as the dominant group of older regulars on the forum who might not share some of your views on eg racism etc.
Dog whistling?....I dont need to call other members of that demographic group to help put/backup my point of view across and often run against the tide on many topics with the other old time regulars but i never engage in bullying which is how you perceive how some debates operate against you.
Seriously. I already apologised to you at 10.46am (7 hours ago mind you) and you're still carrying on like this ? You could at least have some courtesy and good grace and acknowledge it.
This site is mainly for speculation and entertainment purposes, like pretty much all social media. Nobody on here really knows much about what happens at the club, within the AFL or anywhere else. Most of what is written on here must therefore be wrong. That's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it is. "Squabbling about whatever " is IMO a perfectly reasonable assessment of this site. If you disagree, fine.
My comments are not hard to understand. I've given you definitions. I've given you the background. Other posters on here have made it clear they not only agree with me, but understand exactly where I'm coming from and the points I'm making. They don't misconstrue my words, they don't take offence. My statements about the demographic and composition of the regular posters is completely correct. My statement about the decline in participation is also completely correct. How on earth could you possibly be offended by this ? You take my comments, give them a quarter turn twist to make them say what you want them to say, so you can play the "white males under attack" card ? And not only that, you put words on my lips that simply aren't there.
And what I would like to see is precisely as I stated earlier - more diversity. Diversity means exactly that. It doesn't mean more me. It means all sorts - black white, brown, purple, male, female, gay, straight, young old, short tall, CFC supporters, supporters of other clubs, lefties, righties - all sorts.
I believe the problem is caused in part by the age of the people who contribute to the various topics raised on this site.
Since the end of the 2022 football season I have enjoyed reading thoughtful opinions on diverse subjects including Harry and Meaghan, climate change , the war in Ukraine, etc.
Despite the diametrically opposed views often presented, each member has expressed their view on the subject formed from their unique background and life experiences.
By contrast, when I attempt to put forward my view on a subject with people ranging in age from late teens to mid-twenties, I am quite often confronted by 'group think' - where emotion decides the current view because of the lack of life experience.
And I think the view of anyone over the age of thirty five is treated with suspicion simply because of the belief - as expressed by one grandchild - that they are too old.
Let's hope as the new season approaches and the subject matters return to football that contributions from a wider range of members will begin.
I hope that is not wishful thinking, but with society being given more different avenues to express their views it is possible that we will slowly wither on the vine.
I like the forum and its views - I don't post much in the non competition season, because I don't really care about footy unless there are 4 points involved.
I also don't care about Harry, and don't really want to know about Russia's war, so don't contirbute much! I'm perfectly happy to read the views of others in the meantime.
Do whatever you need to for me - 50+, white male Carlton supporter!
I confess that I am generally not a fan of social media and don't normally participate. However I do enjoy coming on here to read the many valuable insights into the CFC and AFL footy in general. I have learned much and am still learning.
I increasingly don't really pay much attention to non footy topics and I definitely am less active therefore when there is limited footy news.
I also fit into the white Vic old codger classification.
Looking forward to season 2023.
BBB has struck; kniggit is no more :)
I guess the youngsters don’t really do forum discussion.
Have we advertised this site? I had a casual chat to a couple of Carlton supporters at the Carlton vs Port Adelaide game (MCG) last year, and none of them knew of this site at all. Nobody had heard of it. Most of those people I would place in the 30 - 45 years bracket.
Have we advertised this site? I had a casual chat to a couple of Carlton supporters at the Carlton vs Port Adelaide game (MCG) last year, and none of them knew of this site at all. Nobody had heard of it. Most of those people I would place in the 30 - 45 years bracket.
Something I've also mentioned and would support wholeheartedly (promoting the site).