Here we go for 2023. Cotchin gets off again, when he should be suspended. What else is new?
I'm putting the game v Sydney behind me and starting again.
I'm hoping Vossy and co have them tuned up for this encounter against our rnd 1 nemesis like he did last year and let this be the launch pad for the first half of the year.
I'm hoping Gov comes in to stiffen up the defence replacing Plow, I see Mrs Gov gave birth to their first child on the weekend, perhaps that's why he didn't play v Syd.
Obviously the Skipper and H will return so that's 3 very solid ins.
I think Cincotta will play to release Doc into the midfield in Walsh's absence.
I also hope the 2 newby first years play with the obvious recruited wingman Blacres, on paper a very strong side.
Richmond have some injury worries, Prestia and Short are in doubt.
I think we will a very tight contest.
Go Blues.
Need to bank wins and start the year well, you lose early games and you are behind the eight ball for the rest of the season playing catchup as wins get harder, injuries mount and the lesser teams start getting those surprise wins.
As GTC has said the Tigers have injury problems and I expect our tall forwards to be too much for a undermanned Tigers backline that are going to be relying on some kids as taller defenders most likely ie Young and/or Miller.
They have Taranto and Hopper which will give them a different look but I think they will take a while to mesh into the Tigers game style and I expect to win by 17 points minimum.
If somebody can run into that dirty sniper Cotchin that will be a bonus...AFL referral/tribunal system is a disgrace.
Adding Crippa, Harry, McGovern, Newman, Martin to the team will help alot.
Fisher and TDK's consistent output worries me. Cerras application worried me.
Adding Crippa, Harry, McGovern, Newman, Martin to the team will help alot.
Fisher and TDK's consistent output worries me. Cerras application worried me.
Not sure about Martin, hasnt played any recent games and imho hasnt earned a starting role.
Only positives I can find are he usually goes ok first up from a spell and has had some of his better games vs the Tigers remembering his debut for us.
Fisher is an interesting player, been pushed out of his original U18 coalface midfield role as we have gone with a bigger bodied midfield and now is that bits and pieces type small forward/relief mid player who can start or come off the bench.
Harder for him to make a major impact and is more a cameo player now Imo.
Here we go for 2023. Cotchin gets off again, when he should be suspended. What else is new?
Vomit inducing favouritism :o
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/blue-to-avoid-surgery-following-shoulder-injury-mcgovern-firming-for-round-1/ (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/blue-to-avoid-surgery-following-shoulder-injury-mcgovern-firming-for-round-1/)
McGovern missed Carlton’s final practice match against Sydney due to the birth of his son, but played in a VFL practice match having shrugged off a back injury.
But given the intercept defender has missed both AFL practice matches, his selection in the senior side for the meeting with the Tigers may be debated.
As the clock ticks down to Carlton’s season-opening clash against Richmond on March 16, the Sam Walsh murmurs of full training sessions have been like Elvis sightings.
But the star midfielder is still on light duties, with the target of re-joining main training in the opening weeks of the season.
The Blues’ initial forecast for the star midfielder was that he would miss the first month of the season following back surgery.
Been waiting a long time (over 6 months) for these game realted threads! Thanks Crash.
Not sure about Martin, hasnt played any recent games and imho hasnt earned a starting role.
Only positives I can find are he usually goes ok first up from a spell and has had some of his better games vs the Tigers remembering his debut for us.
You said it without realising it......STARTING ROLE.
IMO he is the ideal sub. Comes on late, gives us a spark that could turn a game. Doesn't need to run out the full game.
Make Martin the sub!
Been waiting a long time (over 6 months) for these game realted threads! Thanks Crash.
No worries, mate.
You said it without realising it......STARTING ROLE.
IMO he is the ideal sub. Comes on late, gives us a spark that could turn a game. Doesn't need to run out the full game.
Make Martin the sub!
Fair enough, Im not a huge fan but no doubt he has some talent ,can kick a goal and maybe only playing a quarter or two can keep him on the park more often over the longer term.
I did have Martin as my sub in the best 22 thread, more out of hope and lack of other players who could impact games quickly.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/blue-to-avoid-surgery-following-shoulder-injury-mcgovern-firming-for-round-1/ (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/06/blue-to-avoid-surgery-following-shoulder-injury-mcgovern-firming-for-round-1/)
The VFL practice match against Sydney was cancelled. At best, McGovern would have played in a match sim with the VFL boys.
Whether he plays in round 1 will be down to his form at training ... same with Martin.
No doubt, but what I didn’t know was that he missed the practice match against the Swans not due to injury but because he attended the birth of his child. Of course, that still leaves him short of match practice but we shouldn’t need to worry that we’re going to have another endless injury watch.
Carlton by ten goals.
Carlton by ten goals.
There’s no reason why not … and it would set us up for a great season 🙂
There’s no reason why not … and it would set us up for a great season 🙂
As nice as that would be, its not going to happen, they rarely get beaten by big margins. They have copped 4 10 goal losses since 2017, the last 2 were from Geelong. Defensively they are miserly so you can forget a 10 goal thumping.
I will be happy with just a W in rnd 1 to start the year.
As nice as that would be, its not going to happen, they rarely get beaten by big margins. They have copped 4 10 goal losses since 2017, the last 2 were from Geelong. Defensively they are miserly so you can forget a 10 goal thumping.
I will be happy with just a W in rnd 1 to start the year.
They’re going in with their weakest defence for quite a while, Lynch will miss, and their midfield is a work in progress.
I’ll be happy with a W, but a 5 goal margin is achievable and a 10 goal margin isn’t out of the question.
They’re going in with their weakest defence for quite a while, Lynch will miss, and their midfield is a work in progress.
I’ll be happy with a W, but a 5 goal margin is achievable and a 10 goal margin isn’t out of the question.
Didn’t Lynch play last weekend against melb? Reckon he will play and we will have our hands full with both dusty and Bolton also near the goals.
Getting ahead of ourself imo predicting anything more than a close hard fought win.
Blues by 10 points.
Lynch had restricted time in the practice match given he has had a plantar fascia injury. Chances are he’ll be underdone.
Gibcus is out for sure and Tarrant was expected to be out until Rd 2 with a hip injury. Even if he manages to get up for Rd 1, chances are he won’t be cherry ripe. And he’s not exactly the best defender going around. If Grimes is also underdone after a hamstring injury and he’s in the twilight of his career, their tall defensive stocks are depleted.
Prestia and Short are both battling to get up for Rd 1.
We tend to obsess over our own injuries but we underestimate those that the opposition is facing.
Billy Frampton and Oleg Markov were at my kids' school today. Apparently Billy's hardest opponents have been Harry and Charlie. Hopefully they can prove to be that against the Tiges.
My heart is going for a comfortable win, my brain is going for a win. I know we can.
The optimist in me says that Richmond's main weapon (Lynch) is underdone, while Harry and Charlie are cherry ripe and coming up against a Richmond backline with some significant gaps.
Having said that, this game will be won in the centre square. If ever we needed Crippa/Hewett/Cerra/Kennedy/Doc to find a group mojo, this week is it. They need to at least break even with Cotchin/Taranto/Baker/Hopper/Martin (I expect that Prestia won't play).
I don't fancy coming up against Geelong in rd 2 after a loss. A 0-2 start will not be good, with GWS in Sydney for round 3.
I certainly believe we have an opportunity here on the big stage, esp with a few outs for the Tiggers. Fingers crossed we are up for it!
I certainly believe we have an opportunity here on the big stage, esp with a few outs for the Tiggers. Fingers crossed we are up for it!
If we aren't up for it, dare I say but there will be hell to pay. From a injury list point of view, Walsh is our only real injury concern, the rest are "full time injury listers" anyway and do not determine our future simply because they have virtualy never contributed and never will.
From a injury list point of view, Walsh is our only real injury concern,
To be honest, the silence on Walsh is deafening. Either he is on a fast track to a quick recovery and is almost ready to go (crosses fingers), or things are not progressing as expected.
If we aren't up for it, dare I say but there will be hell to pay. From a injury list point of view, Walsh is our only real injury concern, the rest are "full time injury listers" anyway and do not determine our future simply because they have virtualy never contributed and never will.
Agree...if we can't beat Richmond who have a few injuries and sore players then it's going to be a long season.
The expectations have to be a comfortable win imho. Tigers are now a midpack plodder team with fading stars and not the mean old tigers who won three premierships dominating other teams.
Didnt realise how many the Tigers have out with Jayden Short (calf, test), Marlion Pickett (adductor), Jack Ross (knee), Jack Graham (toe), Josh Gibcus (hamstring), Jason Castagna (retired), Robbie Tarrant (hip).
Heard that Prestia will be named but is unlikely.. we wont get a better opportunity to make a decent start to the season and make a statement.
To be honest, the silence on Walsh is deafening. Either he is on a fast track to a quick recovery and is almost ready to go (crosses fingers), or things are not progressing as expected.
No need to worry Tonyo. The mail I have is the guy is almost cherry ripe, but he isnt coming back until round 3. If there were a grand final to play, he would be playing.
Have a look at the MCG after the Ed Sheeran concerts:https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/mcg-in-mad-scramble-to-fix-ruined-surface-a-week-out-from-afls-round-1-c-9975790 (https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/mcg-in-mad-scramble-to-fix-ruined-surface-a-week-out-from-afls-round-1-c-9975790)
I wonder whether it’s better for us to go early before other games do further damage or would it be better to have the extra days for the grass to recover?
If someone does a knee we should sue the AFL, the MCG and the broadcaster for imposing an unsafe schedule.
Despite the obvious inconvenience and logistical issues, the players safety has to be paramount in my view. If that can't be guaranteed, move it to Marvel or somewhere else.
Despite the obvious inconvenience and logistical issues, the players safety has to be paramount in my view. If that can't be guaranteed, move it to Marvel or somewhere else.
Queenstown Tassie maybe
Despite the obvious inconvenience and logistical issues, the players safety has to be paramount in my view. If that can't be guaranteed, move it to Marvel or somewhere else.
The G will be fine. Despite the HUN's hysteria, it's just a routine process.
One thing we know: if a player ends up injured as a result of shifting grass, every AFL and MCG official will agree that the concerts had nothing to do with it.
I'm having flashbacks to the Sydney final where they put new grass down from an NRL game. It didn't make us play too well, the ground kept shifting. This better not be the bloody same. >:(
Finished Rhino's career.
The players alone are multi-million dollars assets, but they have an intrinsic worth far beyond that as a key injury to a specific player can unwind the fate of a whole club.
The MCG ground staff are professional, but it looks to me like the scheduling from the MCG management was very amateur, not sure any of Stephen Gough's replacements have lived up to expectation.
Forecast for 30 degrees.
On the back of what I've read about the VFL practice match last night, wouldn't surprise if all of McGovern, Martin and Pittonet are in for next Thursday night.
On the back of what I've read about the VFL practice match last night, wouldn't surprise if all of McGovern, Martin and Pittonet are in for next Thursday night.
I suspect Gov is a certainty, as much as he may be a whipping boy for some fans, he's an experienced and talented footballer who reads the game well. I suspect Weiters and Young would have him in the D50 without hesitation.
With the new sub rule I expect two genuine rucks, Pitto and TDK.
I can't be sure about Martin, I'd like to see him string together some good games at the lower level, but there might well be a few selection surprises.
I suspect Gov is a certainty, as much as he may be a whipping boy for some fans, he's an experienced and talented footballer who reads the game well. I suspect Weiters and Young would have him in the D50 without hesitation.
With the new sub rule I expect two genuine rucks, Pitto and TDK.
I can't be sure about Martin, I'd like to see him string together some good games at the lower level, but there might well be a few selection surprises.
Reckon both will play for sure along with Pittonet...McGoverns only problem might be finding a suitable opponent given the Tigers go small and only play Lynch and Reiwoldt as talls down forward most weeks. Martin goes ok first up from a spell and plays ok vs the Tigers, and even though I have been a harsh critic Id be shocked if he wasnt in the team for this game.
Agreed EB and not sure they'll be able to throw Balta forward either if both Tarrant and Gibcus miss.
I think McGovern plays even without an ideal matchup....he plays more that intercept marking type anyway...but I remember those first couple of games last season and the feature was not only his intercept work but his precise field kicking outta the backline. If Docherty plays some midfield, McGovern a certainty IMO.
On the back of what I've read about the VFL practice match last night, wouldn't surprise if all of McGovern, Martin and Pittonet are in for next Thursday night.
I thought Pitto was underdone against the Swans and the extra game will be good for him, particularly as the reports say that he was imposing himself in the last quarter.
I reckon all three will play.
Richmond has eleven players out injured or just coming back from rehab. I reckon they should sack their fitness staff :)
Agreed EB and not sure they'll be able to throw Balta forward either if both Tarrant and Gibcus miss.
I think McGovern plays even without an ideal matchup....he plays more that intercept marking type anyway...but I remember those first couple of games last season and the feature was not only his intercept work but his precise field kicking outta the backline. If Docherty plays some midfield, McGovern a certainty IMO.
Surfie, Tigers will probably play Tylar Young who is a newbie KP defender and might be tempted to play Balta down forward at some stage. Id expect Docherty to play mainly down back this game given the opposition have more small forwards than most and we tend to struggle for smaller defenders. Tigers main chance of a win lies with probably three players imho and thats Lynch, Bolton and Martin and Id like my best lineup down back to quell that threat so I hope we dont get too experimental and move players like Docherty and McGovern up the ground looking to be overly offensive.
I’m sure the Tigers would be hoping that they can swing Balta forward at some stage, but surely that would only happen if Charlie and Harry have shockers or the Tigers see the game getting away from them and have to try something daring.
Grimes matches Charlie for height and weight but the fact is he’ll be 32 this year while Charlie is younger and rapidly improving. If the suggestions that Grimes might be aging out especially after his preseason was marred by a hamstring injury are true, Grimes will have his hands full. Spotting Harry 10cm, 14kg and 7 years makes it hard to see him taking Harry on regularly.
Balta might give away 12 cm to Harry but he matches him for bulk and is extremely athletic. No doubt Harry would prefer to see Balta up the other end. Tylar Young at 196cm is the tallest defender though he’s still 8cm short of Harry and he gives away 13 kg to him. To compete, he’ll need to rely on team defence, athleticism or defensive mastery. He’s hard to assess on the latter 2 criteria because he’s a mature age rookie pickup from Richmond VFL. He’s 24 but he didn’t start playing footy until 2019. Before that he played soccer and cricket. Maybe he is athletic, but could he have developed into a master defender in just 4 years (especially given he probably lost games in the middle of that due to Covid)? I call BS on that. He’d be up against one of the top key forwards in the AFL and I’m sure Harry will teach him a few lessons to help his development. He’d have his hands full with our 3rd tall, whether it be JSOS or TdK.
Of course, Tarrant may still get up and postpone Young’s debut but I’m sure Harry would enjoy that match up too, especially if Tarrant isn’t quite 100%.
Balta usually picks up Silvagni and followed him when he rucked last season.
Solid information that Motlop has tweaked his calf and will miss Round 1.
Who plays as small forwards; Owies, Honey, Durdin?
Solid information that Motlop has tweaked his calf and will miss Round 1.
Who plays as small forwards; Owies, Honey, Durdin?
Bummer! Just drafted him to my fantasy team.
I’m sure that Balta on JSOS would be Richmond’s preferred match-up as enabling Balta to play as a rebounding defender or ball winning 2nd ruck would help them. But if Harry stays dangerous, their hands may be forced.
First, will we play Pittonet and TdK? If so, the option of playing Balta as 2nd ruck disappears. Yes, Balta could follow TdK into the ruck but that would mean Soldo would be underused. And if I were Hardwick, I’d prefer to try to monster TdK in the ruck with Soldo.
More importantly, playing Balta as a rebounding defender on our 3rd tall only works if Harry and Charlie are covered. Balta himself has been a bit of a project player up until last year and being on the 3rd tall forward was ideal. But he’s now either their best or 2nd best tall defender.
I just don’t see Tylar Young as a viable option for Charlie or Harry. I watched their preseason games and he did okay as a more traditional negative tall defender. If the ball is dropped onto his opponent’s head, he’s pretty good at using his body to edge his opponent out of position enough to bring the ball to ground. But he takes few marks, and he doesn’t have a big leap or great closing speed on the lead. The other problem is that he tends to rely on tractoring his opponent forward under the ball or grappling and it looks like the umpires will be hot on that at the start of the season. He did okay on McDonald and Brown but Gawn flogged him. Young is hardly a factor in working the ball out of D50 and pretty much stands around once the ball hits the ground. Both Harry and Charlie would embarrass him.
Richmond haven’t shown much team defence so far. I guess they could drop Nankervis or Soldo back to CHB to help out but that runs counter to the helter skelter approach that won them flags which relies on swarming forwards and there may be less speed in this team than in their premiership years.
Grimes is the one player Charlie struggled with last year.
DJC.....Owies and Durdin for me if Motlop is out.
Has small Durdin had a ps game?
Motlop is training so he must be a possibility for the Tigers.
Has small Durdin had a ps game?
I don't believe he has, and he's not certain to get up for round 1.
The coverage of injuries in the AFL has really dropped to a trickle. There used to be a site “AFLinjuryupdate” which used to cover a number of sports but it covered the AFL on a single page with each team’s injuries (and even suspensions) as well as the expected date of return. That was updated each week. I don’t think it exists now.
Here we are just 4 days away from our opening game and the last injury update on the CFC was on 17 Jan. No doubt there are little snippets of injury news revealed in various videos but there’s no central resource provided. I’m sure that all AFL clubs are happy to shroud their injuries in as much secrecy as possible but it sure flies in the face of the AFL’s desire to dominate sports media coverage.
If there is a running list of injuries somewhere, please let me know.
Edit: this site might be the current version of the one above - https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-injury-list-2023/ogkroxcfvgxpghsax5kf9pq7 (https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-injury-list-2023/ogkroxcfvgxpghsax5kf9pq7)
Ch 7 reports Prestia trained fully albeit with strapping on his shoulder but Short trained away from the main group. They’ll have a final training on Tuesday.
The coverage of injuries in the AFL has really dropped to a trickle. There used to be a site “AFLinjuryupdate” which used to cover a number of sports but it covered the AFL on a single page with each team’s injuries (and even suspensions) as well as the expected date of return. That was updated each week. I don’t think it exists now.
Here we are just 4 days away from our opening game and the last injury update on the CFC was on 17 Jan. No doubt there are little snippets of injury news revealed in various videos but there’s no central resource provided. I’m sure that all AFL clubs are happy to shroud their injuries in as much secrecy as possible but it sure flies in the face of the AFL’s desire to dominate sports media coverage.
If there is a running list of injuries somewhere, please let me know.
Edit: this site might be the current version of the one above - https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-injury-list-2023/ogkroxcfvgxpghsax5kf9pq7 (https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-injury-list-2023/ogkroxcfvgxpghsax5kf9pq7)
Remember the
good bad old days when Andy McKay would take us through the injuries each week?
The link you posted is the most up to date injury list. Hopefully, our club website will provide regular updates during the season ... but I'm not holding my breath. The website seems to focus on clickbait without provide much information. It's not an AFL thing as other club websites have significantly more information such as VFL, WVFL and even wheelchair team lists as well as up to date injury lists. It's probably worth an email to Brian Cook.
Remember the good bad old days when Andy McKay would take us through the injuries each week?
This is a punters lament, those of us who don't bet on footy or play pretend coach should be happy with the subterfuge, less intelligence for opponents increases our chance of winning.
I remember seeing a Chopper Reid impersonator years ago doing a weather skit where he says: "Alice Spings, I'll give you the weather for the next 1000 years, its gonna be effin hot". Very funny but I reckon he could also do our injury report for the last 5 and next 5 years.
Marchbank - broken everything - Estimate return never
Cunningham - See Marchbank - Estimated return 2039
Martin - CBFitis - When he can BF'd
Williams - Fatwalletitis - Just prior to the next paycheque
McGovern - Jumpus Tohigheth Landus Awkwardess - Indefinate
I remember seeing a Chopper Reid impersonator years ago doing a weather skit where he says: "Alice Spings, I'll give you the weather for the next 1000 years, its gonna be effin hot". Very funny but I reckon he could also do our injury report for the last 5 and next 5 years.
Marchbank - broken everything - Estimate return never
Cunningham - See Marchbank - Estimated return 2039
Martin - CBFitis - When he can BF'd
Williams - Fatwalletitis - Just prior to the next paycheque
McGovern - Jumpus Tohigheth Landus Awkwardess - Indefinate
Very creative, GTC old son. Got a good laugh here!
This is a punters lament, those of us who don't bet on footy or play pretend coach should be happy with the subterfuge, less intelligence for opponents increases our chance of winning.
What a load of garbage LP 🙄
Having as many players as possible available for selection increases our chances of winning. Your ‘subterfuge’ is simply poor communication by our club and has zero impact on the outcome of games.
Don't bet on football. Don't bet on horses. Don't bet on the internet. Don't bet on gaming machines. Don't bet.
Don't bet on football. Don't bet on horses. Don't bet on the internet. Don't bet on gaming machines. Don't bet.
As someone once quoted, 'betting/gambling is like "picking your own pocket!"'
What a load of garbage LP 🙄
Having as many players as possible available for selection increases our chances of winning. Your ‘subterfuge’ is simply poor communication by our club and has zero impact on the outcome of games.
I guess 'ducks & drakes' is a strategic part of the game. Personally, I pay very little attention to it. The 23 for Thursday night is when I pay attention.
I guess 'ducks & drakes' is a strategic part of the game. Personally, I pay very little attention to it. The 23 for Thursday night is when I pay attention.
It may have been back in the dark ages but there's so much coverage these days that the only point to obfuscating about injuries is to stop the opposition targeting tender pectoral muscles or similar. Of course, Prestia's case, that horse is already bolted.
After every open training session, supporters post their observations about who was training in the main group, who was restructed to laps, who was in the gym, etc. After every other session, football writers report on similar observations. There are very few secrets or opportunities for subterfuge.
As I mentioned previously, Andy McKay used to give detailed injury reports and we had the same from Russell and Lloyd until recently. We get to hear Sam Walsh detail his progress but the injury list on our website hasn't been updated for weeks. We do provide updates for the AFL injury page so why not repeat it on our website?
It's worth having a look at Richmond's website. Under our Teams tab there is AFL, AFLW and Coaches. Under the Teams tab on the Richmond website there's AFL, AFLW, VFL, VFLW, VWFL (wheelchair), Fixtures, Open Training, Ladder and Academy. Richmond also have Luke Meehan providing a detailed injury report; Prestia's likely to play, Short is doubtful.
What a load of garbage LP 🙄
Having as many players as possible available for selection increases our chances of winning. Your ‘subterfuge’ is simply poor communication by our club and has zero impact on the outcome of games.
Right, so Russia the Ukraine or any other combative force should just spill it's guts on casualties.
Of course subterfuge helps, disinformation or a lack of transparency helps in any combative situation, sport, war, politics, pretty much any circumstance, it's silly to suggest otherwise.
The Art of War applies in all circumstances, war, sport and life.
Right, so Russia the Ukraine or any other combative force should just spill it's guts on casualties.
Of course subterfuge helps, disinformation or a lack of transparency helps in any combative situation, sport, war, politics, pretty much any circumstance, it's silly to suggest otherwise.
The Art of War applies in all circumstances, war, sport and life.
You do make me laugh LP :)
I'm reminded of the Melbourne Tigers' shuffle offence back in Lindsay Gaze's day. He was happy to show opposition coaches how to run the offence because he knew that his team could execute it (and defend it) better than anyone else. That's true Art of War!
Playing funny buggers with injuries doesn't win games of footy; they're won by better talent, tactics and execution. Keeping shtum about Motlop's calf or Owies' hamstring won't make an iota of difference to Thursday's result. That's why Richmond is open and up front about their injuries. We are too, to a certain extent, but via the AFL website rather than our own.
Cowan and Hollands both confirmed to make their debut Thursday night, I guess O’Brien is making way on one of the wings for Hollands and young Cowan will free up Docherty to play midfield.
When Dad calls and you're in a team meeting. :D
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialCarltonFC/videos/594399978962604
That's why Richmond is open and up front about their injuries. We are too, to a certain extent, but via the AFL website rather than our own.
Nthmond have you nicely confused, it's called misdirection, and it's tactics 101!
Like when Dimma bleats about the poor treatment of his AFL Angel Cotchin, or how Dusty gets unfair physical attention from those opponents, you know those opponents he has to poke in the throat just to get a fair contest!
Cowan and Hollands both confirmed to make their debut Thursday night, I guess O’Brien is making way on one of the wings for Hollands and young Cowan will free up Docherty to play midfield.
Great news for the (BlueBaggers growing up) kids.
Saad, McGovern and Moooooo launching attacks from defense. Great.
Cowan and Hollands both confirmed to make their debut Thursday night, I guess O’Brien is making way on one of the wings for Hollands and young Cowan will free up Docherty to play midfield.
Rapt for the kids, hope they don't get overawed, hope they eat up the excitement and just be themselves.
Nthmond have you nicely confused, it's called misdirection, and it's tactics 101!
Like when Dimma bleats about the poor treatment of his AFL Angel Cotchin, or how Dusty gets unfair physical attention from those opponents, you know those opponents he has to poke in the throat just to get a fair contest!
You really do take the cake LP!
I guess Vossy’s announcement that Hollands and Cowan will debut is just a smokescreen for the return of Walsh and Williams.
Anyway, we’ll see who was confused when the teams run out on Thursday.
And what’s Dimma got to do with AFL club websites? Is that another “look over there” moment?
Cowan and Hollands both confirmed to make their debut Thursday night, I guess O’Brien is making way on one of the wings for Hollands and young Cowan will free up Docherty to play midfield.
Great news for the young lads. It was probably expected of Hollands but Cowan has really turned out to be an excellent pick up. Losing Zac Williams helped his cause but I suspect that he would have forced his way into the team.
Good luck to both young men for their first win in navy blue!
I guess that means Cincotta’s not in the 22.
It wouldn’t surprise me if O’Brien is in the 22. I guess it depends on whether we play Cerra as a winger.
I don’t bet on footy. I’m not even in a footy tipping comp and I don’t have a SuperCoach team. But I want to know about our opening game as much as possible. That’s what’s disappointing about the lack of news about it. In the past, there was an avalanche of detail about the teams and players leading into Rd 1, especially who is under an injury cloud and who isn’t. There’s more “celebrity footballer” stuff now, such as 2 players answering questions about who has the best haircut at the club or who has the weirdest laugh. But not so much hard footy news. There used to be previews of the upcoming matches. We’ll have to wait to see if that goes by the wayside too.
I don’t bet on footy. I’m not even in a footy tipping comp and I don’t have a SuperCoach team. But I want to know about our opening game as much as possible. That’s what’s disappointing about the lack of news about it. In the past, there was an avalanche of detail about the teams and players leading into Rd 1, especially who is under an injury cloud and who isn’t. There’s more “celebrity footballer” stuff now, such as 2 players answering questions about who has the best haircut at the club or who has the weirdest laugh. But not so much hard footy news. There used to be previews of the upcoming matches. We’ll have to wait to see if that goes by the wayside too.
Like you, I don’t bet on footy, aren’t in a tipping comp and can’t be bothered with SuperCoach. I don’t fancy myself as a coach in waiting and I don’t buy LP’s misinterpretation of Sun Tzu or his comparison of AFL and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I just want timely and accurate information about our players, in all competitions.
We’ve probably got some whiz kid web manager who thinks that they know what supporters want.
I don’t mind the player interviews and mic’d up players/coaches at training, but that shouldn’t supplant good solid information about players, their form and their fitness.
The difference between the information provided by our website and those of other clubs is significant and it’s not good enough.
I couldn't care less about the info from the club, nor preseason form, which players have PBs lifting weights or running time trials. I just want the 23 that run out on Thurs night to give me a "W" because Im going and I can't remember the last time I saw one. I didn't go to any wins last year as I was too gun-shy early in the year then all I saw live was losses (call me superstitious).
I hoping to break the curse I seem to have on this club this Thurs night.
Bounce the darken ball
Go Blues.
I couldn't care less about the info from the club, nor preseason form, which players have PBs lifting weights or running time trials. I just want the 23 that run out on Thurs night to give me a "W" because Im going and I can't remember the last time I saw one. I didn't go to any wins last year as I was too gun-shy early in the year then all I saw live was losses (call me superstitious).
I hoping to break the curse I seem to have on this club this Thurs night.
Bounce the darken ball
Go Blues.
I'm not superstitious but ....don't go! :( :))
👍🏼🤣
Love the way the club let 'Dutchy & Moooo' know of their selection for Thursday night. Bravo club.
I'm not superstitious but ....don't go! :( :))
Got Kayo rarin' to go! 😎
Is it Thursday yet???? :o
Good preview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw)
Is it Thursday yet???? :o
2 more sleeps. ;D
Good preview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw)
Hard to argue with any of that, a very good preview as you say.
Any reason why our injury list not submitted to the AFL?
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list
Not sure it's been mentioned early on in the thread...but congratulations to Jack on his 100th.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1282237/from-no-1-to-100-silvagni-century-creates-vfl-afl-history?fbclid=IwAR1w_vLVNp6ZxM1dy3UiW5Fub7ND9mJU7PJH5PWdlJmu0L3JRnnBnXYD_-M
Not sure it's been mentioned early on in the thread...but congratulations to Jack on his 100th.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1282237/from-no-1-to-100-silvagni-century-creates-vfl-afl-history?fbclid=IwAR1w_vLVNp6ZxM1dy3UiW5Fub7ND9mJU7PJH5PWdlJmu0L3JRnnBnXYD_-M
If we ever needed motivation for a win, that'll do!
Any reason why our injury list not submitted to the AFL?
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/injury-list
It was there 24 hours ago 🙄
If we ever needed motivation for a win, that'll do!
Congrats to Jack but I think even he would agree that the only motivation Voss needs to use all year is the following written on every whiteboard in the joint.
0.6%
Really hope we get some big comfortable wins early this year. I’m talking about a 5 goal plus win against a top 6 side just to announce to all we have arrived.
All the real contenders have those weeks where they crush good opposition, we do it in patches but usually end with a tight win or loss i wang to see a foot to the floor performance for 4 quarters.
Be good to start the year off with one of those wins.
It was there 24 hours ago 🙄
Was anything on Cottrell, Boyd and Durdin mentioned?
So I fully expect the Richmond animals to come pretty hard early for the two young blokes, Hardwick will make sure of it. Equally, I hope Voss has already pulled our senior boys aside and asked them what they are going to do when (not if) the Richmond boys come for Moo and Dutchy.
So I fully expect the Richmond animals to come pretty hard early for the two young blokes, Hardwick will make sure of it. Equally, I hope Voss has already pulled our senior boys aside and asked them what they are going to do when (not if) the Richmond boys come for Moo and Dutchy.
From what I have seen of Cowan, he looks like he can handle himself pretty well.
So I fully expect the Richmond animals to come pretty hard early for the two young blokes, Hardwick will make sure of it. Equally, I hope Voss has already pulled our senior boys aside and asked them what they are going to do when (not if) the Richmond boys come for Moo and Dutchy.
Id expect them to be eased into the game when that stuff has run it course and both teams are looking at playing footy rather
than trying to gain any physical advantage in the early part of the game.
Im thinking Nankervis will try his usual " it was an accident" type stuff and Lynch will probably try and line up a few targets but hopefully the umpires are on the job and we get the frees we deserve.
Good preview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw)
I struggle with his mispronunciation, particularly the transposition of Ms and Ns ::)
So I fully expect the Richmond animals to come pretty hard early for the two young blokes, Hardwick will make sure of it. Equally, I hope Voss has already pulled our senior boys aside and asked them what they are going to do when (not if) the Richmond boys come for Moo and Dutchy.
Reckon they would come at Moo at their peril.
I struggle with his mispronunciation, particularly the transposition of Ms and Ns ::)
Personally, I think PommyInOz is a ripper. His passion and footy smarts are always a good watch. I find his occasional mispronunciations just a part of the unique package that he is. ;)
Good preview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HohAiaUAqFw)
Looking forward to Pommy's update now that we know Moo and Dutchy are in the side.
McGovern and Martin both playing
A win tomorrow night will have a significant effect on our mindset going into Round 2. Win tomorrow night and we take on Geelong with far less pressure on us!
The Western Bullies have been hailed as quite revolutionary by contemplating the 'Four Dinosaurs' up forward yet we are apprehensive about looking at 3. I think we can give it a go, especially this week and really stretch the short Tiger defence.
Soldo won’t play given a back issue, so they’ll only have Nankervis in the ruck. Do we play both Pittonet and TdK? I take it the Tigers will use Balta as their 2nd ruck, especially if JSOS is our 2nd ruck. But at 194/102, how would Balta go against the 203 cm TdK? Balta might be athletic but TdK has him covered for leaping ability.
Assuming the forecast is fine, I'd play both Pittonet and TDK....they don't both have to be on the ground at the same time.....if it drags Balta away from a key defensive position then even better.
Doesn't TDK in the side mean that we have 2 tall forwards and a bona fide ruckman on the ground all the time??
McGovern and Martin both playing
Orthopaedic ward at the Austin on high alert....code brown.
Seems there was a burglary at IKON Park in the days leading up to the game. Report on Ch7 news.
Pitto the emergency
Gov and Martin in
CARLTON
B: Le.Young 33 J.Weitering 23 A.Saad 42
HB: S.Docherty 15 M.McGovern 11 L.Cowan 26
C: B.Acres 13 P.Cripps - C 9 O.Hollands 14
HF: J.Martin 21 H.McKay 10 J.Silvagni 1
F: M.Owies 44 C.Curnow 30 Z.Fisher 25
Foll: T.De Koning 12 M.Kennedy 7 G.Hewett 29
I/C: N.Newman 24 A.Cerra 5 E.Curnow 35 J.Motlop 3
Emerg: J.Honey 36 L.O'Brien 4 L.Plowman 20 M.Pittonet 27
Cant believe Ed gets a game, that seems so wrong based on his Swans game.
Good line up - good mix of youth and experience with a sprinkle of teenagers.
VERY surprised Ed Curnow got a game. Hope he does well.
Orthopaedic ward at the Austin on high alert....code brown.
LMAO
Pittonet may be the 23rd man...tactical????
Seems strange if he's fit he's not in the starting lineup.
If we want to play ducks and drakes, forcing the Tigers to play “will they play both ruckmen” given that they’ve lost their 2nd ruck is the way to do it.
Ed Curnow pretty lucky to get a spot based on the two practice games IMO.
On Ch 7, Ross Lyon gloated that they signed up Camonetti from Carlton’s VFL after JSOS told SOS that he did really well playing on Weitering. Flog.
Pittonet may be the 23rd man...tactical????
Seems strange if he's fit he's not in the starting lineup.
Wasn't Motlop in doubt?
On Ch 7, Ross Lyon gloated that they signed up Camonetti from Carlton’s VFL after JSOS told SOS that he did really well playing on Weitering. Flog.
Yep he's a flog, but he's probably thinking ....it's a good way to cause a bit of friction in an opposition club.
Jack won't be happy, he'll probably get some 'advice' from management.
Not sure his dad will be happy with him being thrown under the bus, so it may backfire on 'Ross the flog'
Pittonet may be the 23rd man...tactical????
Seems strange if he's fit he's not in the starting lineup.
It is strange, but he was returning from injury so maybe he just needs another week under his belt.
I wouldn't be playing him as sub. It handicaps us too much if we get an injury.
In an ideal world you don't get injuries, and you sub off a player for tactical reasons.
But we are Carlton, so an injury is almost certain, so pick a bloke that can cover a variety of spots.
Wasn't Motlop in doubt?
Scans cleared him of a calf tear apparently.
Tigers have picked a strong team..can't believe all those injury hit players will play.
Miller is one I thought they might play being their tallest defender...
Good line up - good mix of youth and experience with a sprinkle of teenagers.
Agree, but the Curnow Snr selection is a little baffling. Owies would want to do a whole lot more than the PS games and the way he finished of his year in 2022
Agree, but the Curnow Snr selection is a little baffling. Owies would want to do a whole lot more than the PS games and the way he finished of his year in 2022
I wondered if it's about flexibility. Ed can cover a couple of roles. Especially if Martin or Bolton get off the chain. Many on here commented how coaches were too slow to respond in this area. Who knows?
Hope Ed has a strong game and causes some confusion amongst the oppo.
Interesting that Ty Young wasn’t picked as the 3rd tall defender despite playing in both of their preseason games. Instead the starters will be Grimes (194/92), Balta (194/105) and Broad (192/86). On the bench is some rando, Ben Miller (198/97).
That last guy is the closest in height to Harry. But if Harry’s on, it’s hard to see Miller stopping him. He was a late pick in the 2017 draft. He didn’t debut until the last game of the 2021 season. To his credit, he managed 11 last year, including the last 8, the last of which was the Elimination Final. It looks as though he was initially a key defender but then he became the 2nd ruck floating forward in the last 5 games after Soldo’s injury.
Will he play as the 2nd ruck, leaving Balta as a key defender, or will the reverse be true? If he does play on Harry, he should be well outmatched.
I wondered if it's about flexibility. Ed can cover a couple of roles. Especially if Martin or Bolton get off the chain. Many on here commented how coaches were too slow to respond in this area. Who knows?
Hope Ed has a strong game and causes some confusion amongst the oppo.
Was thinking same, Martin, Taranto and Hopper give them a different look on ball given Martin was unfit last season and non interested so Ed might be needed as a minder..
Hope Ed has a strong game and causes some confusion amongst the oppo.
Well, he’s already caused a lot of confusion amongst Blues fans, so he’s on a roll.
Was thinking same, Martin, Taranto and Hopper give them a different look on ball given Martin was unfit last season and non interested so Ed might be needed as a minder..
To mind, pester, run around, block, apply hard hits, or distract one of their mids. All welcome!
Well, he’s already caused a lot of confusion amongst Blues fans, so he’s on a roll.
🤣 most of the game is above the ears... not a bad strategy
Was thinking same, Martin, Taranto and Hopper give them a different look on ball given Martin was unfit last season and non interested so Ed might be needed as a minder..
Dusty will play predominantly fwd I reckon, I dont think we have a march up for him there. Curnow can't handle him in there.
Dusty will play predominantly fwd I reckon, I dont think we have a march up for him there. Curnow can't handle him in there.
Dimma said as much on 360.
With the mids they've recruited, Dusty (and cotchin) will play both, but a lot more forward than they have in the past.
I reckon Ed is our 7th defender. Reckon Plowman would be a good sub option to bring in should we struggle to hold them down.
CARLTON
B: Le.Young 33 J.Weitering 23 A.Saad 42
HB: S.Docherty 15 M.McGovern 11 L.Cowan 26
C: B.Acres 13 P.Cripps - C 9 O.Hollands 14
HF: J.Martin 21 H.McKay 10 J.Silvagni 1
F: M.Owies 44 C.Curnow 30 Z.Fisher 25
Foll: T.De Koning 12 M.Kennedy 7 G.Hewett 29
I/C: N.Newman 24 A.Cerra 5 E.Curnow 35 J.Motlop 3
Emerg: J.Honey 36 L.O'Brien 4 L.Plowman 20 M.Pittonet 27
I do look at our team with interest.
I would play McGovern on Martin if he goes forward: McGovern has him well beaten in the air and doesn't lack strength. He's also quick in a straight line (probably not otherwise).
I am worried about the ruck duels. I hope Pittonet is the injury player, as we could do with him, even if he isn't as fit as he could be yet.
CARLTON
B: Le.Young 33 J.Weitering 23 A.Saad 42
HB: S.Docherty 15 M.McGovern 11 L.Cowan 26
C: B.Acres 13 P.Cripps - C 9 O.Hollands 14
HF: J.Martin 21 H.McKay 10 J.Silvagni 1
F: M.Owies 44 C.Curnow 30 Z.Fisher 25
Foll: T.De Koning 12 M.Kennedy 7 G.Hewett 29
I/C: N.Newman 24 A.Cerra 5 E.Curnow 35 J.Motlop 3
Emerg: J.Honey 36 L.O'Brien 4 L.Plowman 20 M.Pittonet 27
I do look at our team with interest.
I would play McGovern on Martin if he goes forward: McGovern has him well beaten in the air and doesn't lack strength. He's also quick in a straight line (probably not otherwise).
I am worried about the ruck duels. I hope Pittonet is the injury player, as we could do with him, even if he isn't as fit as he could be yet.
I thought the same re Gov/Dusty, but I think his extra hieght (although not huge) might be a disadvantage v Dusty. We'll see I guess. The game will be won and lost in the coaches box me thinks.
Who would you play in preference to Ed? Paddy Dow didn’t exactly cover himself in glory.
Ed was far from his best but he still featured in some good passages of play.
Vossy intimated that he has contingencies in place should it become necessary to contain Dusty or other Tigers. Perhaps Ed may be in line for a run with role.
Agree, but the Curnow Snr selection is a little baffling. Owies would want to do a whole lot more than the PS games and the way he finished of his year in 2022
Curnows usually take few games to get going.- Ed has had a full pre season his touch will return will need his beasty discipline running.
Don’t know if we have an improved team from last year or not, two kids and Ed Curnow in the side for the first game tells me not. Love Ed but if we are still giving him a game at this stage of his career we aren’t as deep as we think we are. Same with the kids, one maybe but two? If they were top two in the draft I could see it but they just aren’t physically strong enough yet to play big matches.
Hope I’m wrong
Don’t know if we have an improved team from last year or not, two kids and Ed Curnow in the side for the first game tells me not. Love Ed but if we are still giving him a game at this stage of his career we aren’t as deep as we think we are. Same with the kids, one maybe but two? If they were top two in the draft I could see it but they just aren’t physically strong enough yet to play big matches.
Hope I’m wrong
I’m pretty sure that you’re wrong.
Lachie and Ollie have shown that they’re ready for footy at AFL level. Ollie’s running is elite and his tank is good enough to enable him to win or halve contests after sprinting the length of the ground. Lachie is hard at it and his second and third efforts are not what you’d expect from a draftee. Dermott Brereton was full of praise for the young man and he’s not easily impressed.
As for Ed, he’s shown enough to make it very difficult for whoever he matches up against.
I reckon Ed is our 7th defender. Reckon Plowman would be a good sub option to bring in should we struggle to hold them down.
We are wanting to go deep in sept and players like lachie plowman can only be used in the case of mass injuries to defenders when we have no other options. If he is used while we are relatively healthy we will still be a bottom side. Players like plowman have had more then their chances and we need to move past him to improve rapidly imo which is what I’m expecting 2023 to bring.
Don’t know if we have an improved team from last year or not, two kids and Ed Curnow in the side for the first game tells me not. Love Ed but if we are still giving him a game at this stage of his career we aren’t as deep as we think we are. Same with the kids, one maybe but two? If they were top two in the draft I could see it but they just aren’t physically strong enough yet to play big matches.
Hope I’m wrong
I look at the side and asked myself the same thing, is it better than last years.
Assuming Pitto plays as the sub
Out
Will Setterfield
Oscar McDonald
Corey Durdin
Lochie O'Brien
Zachary Williams
Tom Williamson
In
Hollands
Cowin
Acres
Young
Ed Curnow
Motlop
Eds questionable form aside, I think its a stronger side.
I look at the side and asked myself the same thing, is it better than last years.
Assuming Pitto plays as the sub
Out
Will Setterfield
Oscar McDonald
Corey Durdin
Lochie O'Brien
Zachary Williams
Tom Williamson
In
Hollands
Cowin
Acres
Young
Ed Curnow
Motlop
Eds questionable form aside, I think its a stronger side.
Their ins and outs from rnd 1 last year
Lets assume their sub is Ross
Out
Jake Aarts
Shane Edwards
Robbie Tarrant
Jason Castagna
Ivan Soldo
Hugo Ralphsmith
Josh Gibcus
In
Vlaustuin
McKintosh
M Rioli
Miller
Hopper
Taranto
Mansell
Is their side stronger than last years? I think it is.
Stronger on paper but a lot of these guys playing together for the first time.
Re: Ed
Joel Selwood on The Front Bar.
Sam asks which players are hardest to play against.
Answer: Ed Curnow
Re: Ed
Joel Selwood on The Front Bar.
Sam asks which players are hardest to play against.
Answer: Ed Curnow
Yes, I think that supporters focus too much on how often Ed gets the pill rather than on how little his opponents do.
His endurance and ability to make life difficult for his opponent means that there'll be a spot for him if the opposition has a player that needs attention. Of course, we don't see how well players perform at training and, as match sims make up a lot of modern training sessions, Ed could well be in great form.
Ed was playing as well as ever at the end of 2021.
So who does he go to? Prestia, Taranto, Hopper or Martin?
This is a bit like the injury debate.
I mentioned it doesn't concern me anymore that the club is vague with injury information.
The vagueness isn't meant to trick or decieve an opposition club.
It's worth is to create uncertainty and have the opposition thinking multiple scenarios and planning for "what Ifs"
We've moved well past the shock of seeing a supposedly injured player lining up.
Clubs plan for a range of situations.
So Ed plays despite a long lay off and indifferent pre-season form.
Over at Richmond they're thinking 'why is he playing' and what will be his role.
Small forward, tagging mid fielder, small defender.
Ed's been around for long enough that he knows he doesn't have to bust a gut pre-season.
The young un's like Holland and Cowan need this time to show they're ready.
Ed doesn't.
To be fair, I don’t think the Richmond coaches are going to be spending a great deal of time ruminating over where Ed will be playing. But it might be fun for us to guess.
They wont be ruminating about where Ed is playing, but they will be wondering what our midfield setup looks like.
They wont be ruminating about where Ed is playing, but they will be wondering what our midfield setup looks like.
Yep
Other players will occupy much more of their attention, but it's all a piece of the puzzle.
We'll be doing the same when considering match-ups.
If they're playing they need some consideration.
Re: Ed
Joel Selwood on The Front Bar.
Sam asks which players are hardest to play against.
Answer: Ed Curnow
Maybe years gone by, lets see how he goes tonight.
To be fair, I don’t think the Richmond coaches are going to be spending a great deal of time ruminating over where Ed will be playing. But it might be fun for us to guess.
I think that they will be, along with his 21 teammates and potential sub. Very little is left to chance.
Their opposition analysts may be spending more time on Cripps, Harry, Charlie et al, but they will be planning how their players can counter Ed if he has a run with role or who should stand him if he plays as a high forward.
His absence last season will make that a more difficult task.
Why isn't Plowman playing?
Why isn't Plowman playing?
He could be the sub 🙂
Eds inclusion must be tactical as his pre season form was ordinary.
Probably tells you a bit about Dow and Obriens future too imo given they have been left out in such an important game.
The trust in Plowman seems to have evaporated as well, the coaching career of Voss started to slide in his 2nd year at Brisbane and expectations are high for finals in 2023. He doesn't want any passengers and you know a player like Ed will give you effort and accountability unlike a few others.
He could be the sub 🙂
He may be...
Pittonet might be there as a distraction.
(He may not be ready to go)
But Richmond have to consider that we may play the two rucks at some stage.
Of the emergencies...who would provide the best overall coverage?
They all seem pretty specialist in their roles.
Eds inclusion must be tactical as his pre season form was ordinary.
Probably tells you a bit about Dow and Obriens future too imo given they have been left out in such an important game.
The trust in Plowman seems to have evaporated as well, the coaching career of Voss started to slide in his 2nd year at Brisbane and expectations are high for finals in 2023. He doesn't want any passengers and you know a player like Ed will give you effort and accountability unlike a few others.
Is Ed the special case defender selected just to tag Dusty out of F50?
But looking at our team, I'd suggest we are hoping Dusty is starved of opportunity, we are setup to intercept across the HBF and not for defence at FB.
He could be the sub 🙂
So he's not one of the first players picked?
Plowman hardly got a vote in 2022 or 2018, what a spud.
https://www.blueseum.org/2022+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2021+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2020+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2019+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2018+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2017+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
2021, 2020, 2019, and 2017 were just lucky!
Hmm, it's obvious the coaches are failing because they do not listen to the fans! :o
To suggest the Tigers will have to think a lot about Ed is a bit odd. The guy has played 11 seasons and he’s probably played on any of his likely opponents a number of times. Those players know what to expect. And the coaches know he’ll play as a stopper, whether in the midfield, F50 or D50. With Teague as an assistant coach, there won’t be any surprises. And in any event, coaches would be used to their team playing against a run-all-day tagger. It’s not as though you need to plan for it. The opposition will decide whether they run a hard tag or not. The only thing a coach can do to break the tag is take the tagged player off the field or send him to the F50 to see if the tagger follows. Coaches have given up on trying to send another midfielder to help out the tagged player. Unsurprisingly, that never worked.
Now, if Ed might have a non-tagging assignment, I’m all ears.
Now, if Ed might have a non-tagging assignment, I’m all ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
I reckon Richmond's biggest headache is down back. Balta is athletic and probably the ideal match up for Charlie....but then who goes to Harry? Get enough of the ball in the middle and use it well going forward and McKay should be able to outmark any of their defenders and help himself to a bag. Balta will likely go to McKay and then it'll be a Vlaustin or Broad on Charlie with Grimes intercepting.
Miller is their tallest defender and it would be tempting to think he’ll play on Harry. But his last 5 games have seen him interchanging off the bench with Nankervis in the ruck. If he’s the 2nd ruck, he can’t be expected to change off Harry. Broad is 192 cm but he tends to take small mobile forwards such as Charlie Cameron in the finals last year. He isn’t really a key defender type.
They really are left with only Grimes and Balta on Charlie and Harry respectively, with Vlaustuin playing as the intercept defender.
If a fit Ed can stitch up Ablett Jnr, he can handle Dusty as well.
Otherwise, I think we are going to waste a player with good run and carry on Dusty, or worse still someone like Gov standing at FB when he should be up the ground intercepting.
I think Dusty is too mobile for Weiters or Young, but they have the strength to match him, Cowan would be a lamb to the slaughter. Saad and Doc a waste of good run, unless the plan is to run off Dusty.
Does Newman have the pace and agility to go with Dusty, he has enough strength and aggression, but I'm not sure he'll keep up?
I think if we can shutdown Riewoldt with a one on one, and then assume they will want Dusty left in space so we should close it up as much as possible, because you know Dusty will turn most players inside out. That leaves them with Lynch as the primary marking target, and I think we can cover or break even with him, I assume Weiters get's that gig.
I suspect Graham for them will end up down back, his F50 listing is a smokescreen.
Odds on Cotchin tries to run through someone early.
Plowman hardly got a vote in 2022 or 2018, what a spud.
https://www.blueseum.org/2022+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2021+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2020+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2019+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2018+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2017+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
2021, 2020, 2019, and 2017 were just lucky!
Hmm, it's obvious the coaches are failing because they do not listen to the fans! :o
Remind me again the names of the coaches who gave votes to Plowman?
Not sure what they would gain from playing Graham in defence. They have Baker and Rioli back there with Broad effectively playing small and Vlastuin taking the 3rd tall or midsized forward. Their weakness is in the tall defensive area rather than rebounding or small defenders.
I hope our blokes aren't as nervous as I am. I need the all bounced now!
Remind me again the names of the coaches who gave votes to Plowman?
Does it matter, it seems a bit of a straw man argument, an attempt to assert the quality of former coaches is somehow a selective assessment of a player, are you saying the Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and SMurph B&Fs were bogus because of the coaches voting for Plowman? :o
Does it matter, it seems a bit of a straw man argument, an attempt to assert the quality of former coaches is somehow a selective assessment of a player, are you saying the Cripps and Walsh B&Fs were bogus? :o
No I am not saying Cripps and Walshes B&Fs were bogus. Yes I am questioning the previous coaches' quality wrt rating
and giving Plowman votes.
No I am not saying Cripps and Walshes B&Fs were bogus. Yes I am questioning the previous coaches' quality wrt rating
and giving Plowman votes.
So under what mechanism do they become reliable assessor of some player and wildly inaccurate for another?
I'll presume the only answer you can offer is "When they pick him!" ;D
It'll be interesting to see which player cops the stay at home role tonight, and how long it takes for fans to sledge them?
It's probably 50/50 to be Cowan or Newman, at which time we go Edgar Allen Poe on them, "tch tch, ........... nevermore!" :o
Plowman hardly got a vote in 2022 or 2018, what a spud.
https://www.blueseum.org/2022+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2021+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2020+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2019+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2018+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
https://www.blueseum.org/2017+Best+and+Fairest+Votes
2021, 2020, 2019, and 2017 were just lucky!
Hmm, it's obvious the coaches are failing because they do not listen to the fans! :o
The coaches didn't pick him in rd 1 last year or this year.
Get a room boys. The Lachie Plowman Suite would be an ideal place to hammer each other to your hearts’ content.
The coaches didn't pick him in rd 1 last year or this year.
Plowman only played 15 games last season, 9 wins - 6 losses, 60% win ratio.
When Plowman didn't play, 4 wins - 4 losses, 50% win ratio.
Yet some how fans seem to associate him with losses! :o
But the reality is very different from the perception, as it is for any whipping boy players, like the spud sMurph, the boat anchor Cottrell and Williams the chandelier.
Is Ed the special case defender selected just to tag Dusty out of F50?
But looking at our team, I'd suggest we are hoping Dusty is starved of opportunity, we are setup to intercept across the HBF and not for defence at FB.
I dont trust anything Hardwick says about his players and the mixture of Dusty in the middle or forward isnt set in concrete. I'd expect Newman to pick Dusty up if he plays forward and a variety of players to rotate off him in the middle.
If he is one out down forward and gets enough supply then he will kick goals...thats a given, its going to be about the work up the ground, the pressure and accountability when Richmond run their usual rebound stuff with Short, Baker, Vlastuin etc delivering the ball down forward and following up.
If I see Baker or Short running forward alone and getting easy hand off receives kicking goals then you know we are going to play the same unaccountable rubbish that sees us give up easy goals against the trend of play.
If I see those players prevented from running down field or being worn by their opponent I'll know things are going to be different and Voss has got players thinking about accountability and what they have to do when we dont have the ball and that means winning more games and a successful 2023.
I dont trust anything Hardwick says about his players and the mixture of Dusty in the middle or forward isnt set in concrete.
Why so cynical
@ElwoodBlues1? ;D
Why so cynical @ElwoodBlues1? ;D
Dimma doesnt give you much so when he does you roll your eyes and try and think about something he said that was true and you find yourself struggling...Im surprised he hasnt started with Lynch and Reiwoldt get a hard time off umps and cant get a free kick etc etc and that our mids play too rough and Prestia needs protection....
Hardwick can be bit of a knob when it comes to the media, crapping on about the irrelevance of the MCG surface because Ed Sheeran was such a great concert!🙄
If Lynch or Martin do their knees in the first 5 mins he’ll be bitching louder than anybody else.
Everything he says to the media is a smokescreen.
So he's not one of the first players picked?
Not any more, but I wouldn't think he was ever one of the first picked ... more like the last half dozen.
Is Ed the special case defender selected just to tag Dusty out of F50?
But looking at our team, I'd suggest we are hoping Dusty is starved of opportunity, we are setup to intercept across the HBF and not for defence at FB.
I said as much a couple weeks ago.
He could become our specialist lockdown defender. Someone who plays forward/mid and usually has an opponent covered in one of those spots.
Ed will hold his own in the middle, its just whether he can play as a lockdown defender when pushed deep forward. Considering how he plays midfield (tagging, accountable) the transisition should be an easy one to make.
I've spoken about my preference for Ed to retire as he has been surpassed by plenty in the middle and at his age (and injury status in 2022), i didn't much see the point of retaining him. I've revised that to the point where he
might be useful in the role above. Dusty would very much be up his alley. We'll find out.
I'd play Plowman as the sub in case the above plan falls through. Swap Docherty/Saad to Dusty and let Plowman play more of an attacking QB/HBF role.......but he'd probably get throw onto Dusty anyway.
Biggest problem with Ed/Dusty is Ed has been injured, and out of form. Dusty is apparently the fittest he's ever been.....and thats a worry.
Biggest problem with Ed/Dusty is Ed has been injured, and out of form. Dusty is apparently the fittest he's ever been.....and thats a worry.
True, but they said that about Dusty last season after he came back after the wellbeing break, and to me he had never looked slower.
Franklin is a great example, and I think due to his size more capable of bridging the age gap than Dusty, but despite moments of glory Franklin mostly looks old, frustrated and slow.
Dusty, Ed, Buddy, whoever it may be, time catches up with everybody.
LOB looks to be the Sub
Josh Honey isn't named in the VFL squad so he must be the sub.
LOB out there, cant see Honey
LOB sub.
Let’s hope nankervis doesn’t “accidentally” stick his knees into De Koning at the first bounce it’s a long game with Silvagni rucking. Would have liked Pittonet as sub not only for insurance but can match Nankervis physically
LOB out there, cant see Honey
I missed Honey’s name in the VFL squad and went off half-cocked G2C :-[
I hope our blokes aren't as nervous as I am. I need the all bounced now!
Is that the all-ball 🤣
I hope our blokes aren't as nervous as I am. I need the all bounced now!
I have a feeling that you’re going to have a very enjoyable night G2C 🤞
Just walked round the block to settle the nerves. First beer tasting good!