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Title: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 07, 2013, 12:34:44 pm
Saturday July 13, 19:40 @ Etihad Stadium

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Raydan on July 07, 2013, 05:05:35 pm
OK so Waite is out and Betts. Menzel kicked a few today in a bad loss so he's in for Eddie. Do you see if Mitchell can cut it? St Kilda lack big backs so his size might prove useful. Or do we bring in Watson for Kosi, hope that Jammo can run with Riewoldt and use Henderson forward?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: crashlander on July 07, 2013, 05:32:36 pm
Watson standing up well today was a positive. Now, if he gets the chance, can he handle Kosi? I think so, but....
Hendo would be good value forward, with no Waite for however long again. But we do need another tall forward.
What to do about Eddie Betts? Menzel has done OK, I guess he gets the chance to step up. That leaves Yazz and the Prince, neither of whom has done anything of late.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LordLucifer on July 07, 2013, 05:37:33 pm
Saints are really taking it up to Freo over in the west, they won't be an easy opponent based on this performance.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Professer E on July 07, 2013, 05:46:55 pm
Saints are showing they ain't going to be a pushover next week.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 07, 2013, 06:01:58 pm
OK so Waite is out and Betts. Menzel kicked a few today in a bad loss so he's in for Eddie. Do you see if Mitchell can cut it? St Kilda lack big backs so his size might prove useful. Or do we bring in Watson for Kosi, hope that Jammo can run with Riewoldt and use Henderson forward?

Fair summary...Watson and Menzel would be ins for sure IMO and I'd be tempted to play Mitchell and see where he is at...we all know that some players lift for senior games and I'd gamble with Mitchell.
Saints are not that tall down back and Henderson, Mitchell and Casboult might test them.....
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 07, 2013, 06:10:33 pm
This weeks selections will probably tell us a lot about what MM and the MC are thinking about the list going forward. A drubbing in the VFL wouldn't normally warrant major changes but these are exceptional circumstances for the club and coach.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 07, 2013, 06:57:47 pm
Waite's a decent chance of coming up but I'd still put Henderson forward with Casboult and play Waite as a 3rd tall marking and running forward. Might save the buffeting, hence injury, he gets as a  key position player. Watson to CHB, see how he goes, and play Menzel and Graham.

More running, less tagging. Means better ball movement and by extension much better forward line function.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: buzza on July 07, 2013, 07:48:29 pm
tuohy jamo watson
gibbs hendo McInnes
simo judd garlett
menzel levi betts
kreuz walker  yarran

Warnock murph  McLean

int from carazzo buckley  Lucas  Cachia

we are forgetting walker did a great job as a ff couple of years ago.
also Kreuz to push deep into fwd line
buckley lucas garlett to provide the run/carry

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 07, 2013, 07:53:30 pm
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: JonDorotich on July 08, 2013, 01:10:10 am
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

Like it. I'd also try Cachia back and Walker forward. If Betts is out, Robbo wins a reprieve.

Cachia Jamison Watson
Tuohy  McInnes Simpson
Yarran Murphy Gibbs
Walker Casboult Garlett
Betts  Henderson Judd

Kreuzer Murphy Carazzo

Mclean, Menzel, Warnock sub: Graham
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 08, 2013, 01:15:27 am
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

Stop making sense!!!! :P
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 08, 2013, 07:37:37 am

Hendo would be good value forward, with no Waite for however long again. But we do need another tall forward.


Waite has bone bruising only. Is a 50/50 chance this week.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 08, 2013, 08:04:05 am
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

Stop making sense!!!! :P

It's all the drugs I am on - they say it where wear off.......eventually
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: chookaradley on July 08, 2013, 10:34:45 am
I really think 2E is ready to have an extended run in the midfield. Reminds me a lot of Brett Ratten early days. He has a strong body, is quick and a beautiful kick. Our lack of small defenders could be stunting his progress IMHO. (Please dont bring Joseph in to play on Milne)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Professer E on July 08, 2013, 03:24:24 pm
2E is a player that really concerns me... and epitomises many  of our problems.  At least he is worth persisting with as he does has real upside.  He is a good size, a brilliant kick, has pace and can be courageous....  but then he has games where he is as weak as Pi55, makes dumb errors, doesn't get involved and becomes a zero contributor.  He seems to struggle when the ball is coming in above his eyeline.  Spends a lot of the time spectating or running to "dead" zones where the ball ain't going.  I think it is his inexperience but he clearly lacks "footy smarts" and can become very reactionary.

Sometimes I think it is because of his background (i.e. hasn't played the game since he was 6 so he lacks the nuances), but I am wondering if it is time to play him further up the ground (wing?) or give him stints on ball to round out his "education".  Maybe too much time as a defender has stymied his more attacking decision making?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 08, 2013, 08:37:04 pm
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

I like a lot of these moves but I think Laidler in and Yarran down back are highly unlikely as the stubborn beast that is MM will not want to seen resorting to Ratts' old moves, although he has to some extent with his deployment of tagging mids.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 08, 2013, 08:43:00 pm
I am wondering if it is time to play him further up the ground (wing?) or give him stints on ball to round out his "education".  Maybe too much time as a defender has stymied his more attacking decision making?

Yes this was what I was saying earlier exactly that. Maybe it's time to see what he can do off a wing give him some short stints into the midfield - you cannot hide there. He is capable of run and carry and thumping kick he could really hurt delivering inside 50.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 08, 2013, 08:50:36 pm
Not too concerned who plays and which players are dropped for this game. Just need to see some intensity and genuine effort to execute some basic fundamentals.

1. Attack the player with the ball and apply a genuine tackle to bring the player to ground.

2. Run hard offensively and run as hard back to defend on a rebound or with a football turnover.

3. 2nd and 3rd efforts a must by every player.

4. Protect your team player with the footy. Sheppard, bump, shove, and block his running path at all cost.

5. Don't be selfish and play for your own benefit. Play for the benefit of the entire team.

6. Stand tall and don't let the Saints bully you. Be mentally strong and you will be physically strong. Its part of our logo. Read it, study it, learn it, and enforce it. Do it FFS. Just do it. Try hard to get this right and I won't mind a loss. Be genuine and impress me as a supporter. Its the minimum I deserve. Now go get them.  ;)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 08, 2013, 09:05:56 pm
Not too concerned who plays and which players are dropped for this game. Just need to see some intensity and genuine effort to execute some basic fundamentals.

1. Attack the player with the ball and apply a genuine tackle to bring the player to ground.

2. Run hard offensively and run as hard back to defend on a rebound or with a football turnover.

3. 2nd and 3rd efforts a must by every player.

4. Protect your team player with the footy. Sheppard, bump, shove, and block his running path at all cost.

5. Don't be selfish and play for your own benefit. Play for the benefit of the entire team.

6. Stand tall and don't let the Saints bully you. Be mentally strong and you will be physically strong. Its part of our logo. Read it, study it, learn it, and enforce it. Do it FFS. Just do it. Try hard to get this right and I won't mind a loss. Be genuine and impress me as a supporter. Its the minimum I deserve. Now go get them.  ;)


It all sounds great - why do I think they won't do it!?!?!?

Play team football, go hard for the ball, win the contest, be first to the ball etc. Think it will catch on?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 08, 2013, 09:12:20 pm
Not too concerned who plays and which players are dropped for this game. Just need to see some intensity and genuine effort to execute some basic fundamentals.

1. Attack the player with the ball and apply a genuine tackle to bring the player to ground.

2. Run hard offensively and run as hard back to defend on a rebound or with a football turnover.

3. 2nd and 3rd efforts a must by every player.

4. Protect your team player with the footy. Sheppard, bump, shove, and block his running path at all cost.

5. Don't be selfish and play for your own benefit. Play for the benefit of the entire team.

6. Stand tall and don't let the Saints bully you. Be mentally strong and you will be physically strong. Its part of our logo. Read it, study it, learn it, and enforce it. Do it FFS. Just do it. Try hard to get this right and I won't mind a loss. Be genuine and impress me as a supporter. Its the minimum I deserve. Now go get them.  ;)


It all sounds great - why do I think they won't do it!?!?!?

Play team football, go hard for the ball, win the contest, be first to the ball etc. Think it will catch on?

Which ever player fails to try, they should be traded or dropped. Its the only way we get rid of the drift wood. The above would be my KPI.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: thrunthrublu on July 08, 2013, 09:13:12 pm
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

60k a week footy dept scratching their heads and here it is for free
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 08, 2013, 09:20:13 pm
Whilst I don't think he's earned it yet I think we have to give Mitchell an extended run. The finals are gone for us and we should now find out who can play and who can't.

Watson to be given an extended run, bring in Laidler to see where he's at, play McInness, blood Graham and give a taste to Buckley. I would also play Casboult at FF for an run of games to see how he goes without having to ruck too much. I would move Yarran to rebound out of the back half and also move the Irishman onto a wing to run and carry a bit and perhaps even try him for short stints into the midfield. Anyone who's injured or not 100% we don't play.

Edit: Forgot to add PLAY MENZEL

60k a week footy dept scratching their heads and here it is for free

Yeah but you know what they say about opinions......:-)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: age on July 09, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
If Milne plays,  Supporters need to give him hell.  
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 12:05:08 pm
If Milne plays,  Supporters need to give him hell.

Hasn't there been a directive from the AFL on crowd abuse now? Be careful last thing we want to be is next weeks headlines :-[
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: age on July 09, 2013, 12:13:38 pm
nothing wrong with Booing though.   :P
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 12:18:14 pm
nothing wrong with Booing though.   :P

Oh yes Boo away!!! You're just not allowed to say what you think anymore :-X
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: maxm68 on July 09, 2013, 07:34:15 pm
Saints are really taking it up to Freo over in the west, they won't be an easy opponent based on this performance.

They aren't an easy opponent based on 16 of the last 18 times we've played them...  >:(

Kosi's 200th - Riewoldt fresh after a rest and Milne back in....

they'll start the rough stuff and we'll turn to water.... AGAIN!!

Saints by 5 goals
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 08:00:13 pm

they'll start the rough stuff and we'll turn to water.... AGAIN!!

Saints by 5 goals

Not the rough stuff - please no!!!

We are soft and they know it. They will go with the same plan as the last couple of times, apply heat and watch Carlton fold.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Goat on July 09, 2013, 08:15:51 pm
Can't see us getting up for this game. Especially with everyone telling the players aren't up to it. Reckon the player managers have been busy this week.  :D

Saints by pick a number between 1 & 30
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: madbluboy on July 09, 2013, 08:26:26 pm
nothing wrong with Booing though.   :P

Essendon fans booed Monfries a week after sooking about the booing of Watson.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Raydan on July 09, 2013, 08:28:58 pm
nothing wrong with Booing though.   :P

Essendon fans booed Monfries a week after sooking about the booing of Watson.

But because Watson was booed for doing something against the rules he shouldn't be booed, but Monfries left because the club didn't rate him so boo away. What is it with Essendon people, they come out and admit they took a banned substance but still claim they did nothing wrong, then be hypocrites about the booing saga.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 09, 2013, 08:43:44 pm
Won't dare not put  in this week. We'll crap  on them.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 08:44:04 pm
nothing wrong with Booing though.   :P

Essendon fans booed Monfries a week after sooking about the booing of Watson.

But because Watson was booed for doing something against the rules he shouldn't be booed, but Monfries left because the club didn't rate him so boo away. What is it with Essendon people, they come out and admit they took a banned substance but still claim they did nothing wrong, then be hypocrites about the booing saga.

What is it? They're hypocrites most of the time.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2013, 08:47:40 pm
If Milne plays,  Supporters need to give him hell.

Hasn't there been a directive from the AFL on crowd abuse now? Be careful last thing we want to be is next weeks headlines :-[
As opposed to this weeks headlines
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 09, 2013, 08:52:59 pm
How did that BBQ go I heard Mick talking about today. Is that a joke or was that for real. I don't think I have ever heard of something like this before a crunch game, after a loss we just want to forget. ???
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2013, 08:59:55 pm
How did that BBQ go I heard Mick talking about today. Is that a joke or was that for real. I don't think I have ever heard of something like this before a crunch game, after a loss we just want to forget. ???
We are a laughing stock at the minute. Who the fork thought of the BBQ idea? A guy rang SEN this morning and made a good point. A few weeks ago, MM tells the media he doesnt answer to supporters or the media w.r.t. selections, game plan etc etc. Now he asks us (I believe he was forced into doing the mssg) come join him for a snag like he's our best mate. WTF are they thinking?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2013, 09:03:23 pm
Pretty sure we have no hope this week. Too much against us and we have proven 4 weeks in a row we are spineless with our backs against the wall. Would like to think we will lift but I cant see where it will come from. List appears divided and lazy.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 09, 2013, 09:08:21 pm
Gointocarlton, its probably nothing for us to worry about, but Kate was giving Hughesy heaps on Nova 100.3 this morning about it. I just wanted to smash the radio because its media exposure for us all over again. I was hoping to forget the last game and just vent hear amongst reliable, friendly supporters. Blowing off some steam and hearing some inspiring insights from those who have some footy knowledge. Do we really want everyone talking about us all week.

Heard enough cr@p from Lyon and Lloyd about how we have chosen the worst draft picks in footy history (Basically in not exact words). Now I will be hearing about this BBQ for the next few days and the footy show will bring this up for certain. Now just imagine we lose to the Saints on Saturday, and what Footy Classified will say, along with the news papers, footy show again and Kate on the radio laughing at Hughes again ? Is this what we need at the moment ? Or do we focus on how we will beat the Saints and make sure it happens at any cost ? Its me isn't it ? I'm the ignorant tool. ::)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 09, 2013, 09:15:16 pm
Go get 'em Blues - prove all the naysayers wrong this week!. We can surely beat this mob if we can just play with a bit of intensity for 4Qs.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 09, 2013, 09:20:12 pm
I know we were extremely poor last week but I can't believe this negativity. We're not a great team but we're not a bottom 4 team either.

Murphy and Carrots with last week under their belts will be better. Judd is playing pretty good football.

We've lost Waite but Hendo will go forward. Watson will come in to take Kosi. Milne's mind is not going to be at the game IMO.

Garlett, Yarran and Betts won't have another poor week.

We are good enough for a comfortable win. Blues by 23.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 09:42:54 pm
Play Casboult forward. He can either play or not. We need to find out.

Kruezer can ruck most of the game anyway. The whole football world is watching us right now - do wave the white flag or take no prisoners?

Time for us to say Never again do we lose to this mob and have some pride.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Brettie on July 09, 2013, 09:47:51 pm
Saints by 5 goals.....there's no more certain result this coming weekend. Saints supporters don't rate their team either, but they do against us....and with some justification too.

Riewoldt will kick a lazy 4 at least, Kosi & Milne 3 apiece, Milera will play one of his 2 good games of the year, Saad will come in and kick at least 2, Hayes a lazy 35+ possessions, Dal Santo a lazy 30+, Farren Ray will look magnificent, Jack Steven will run around like a Stawell Gift winner, Rhys Stanley will single handily fend off our forward talls, McEvoy will take 10+ contested marks everywhere, Clint Jones keep Murphy to about 10 possessions......and on and on and on it goes......
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2013, 09:48:08 pm
Play Casboult forward. He can either play or not. We need to find out.

Kruezer can ruck most of the game anyway. The whole football world is watching us right now - do wave the white flag or take no prisoners?

Time for us to say Never again do we lose to this mob and have some pride.
I would love nothing more than for our blokes to demonstrate and achieve this.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2013, 09:50:19 pm
Saints by 5 goals.....there's no more certain result this coming weekend. Saints supporters don't rate their team either, but they do against us....and with some justification too.

Riewoldt will kick a lazy 4 at least, Kosi & Milne 3 apiece, Milera will play one of his 2 good games of the year, Saad will come in and kick at least 2, Hayes a lazy 35+ possessions, Dal Santo a lazy 30+, Farren Ray will look magnificent, Jack Steven will run around like a Stawell Gift winner, Rhys Stanley will single handily fend off our forward talls, McEvoy will take 10+ contested marks everywhere, Clint Jones keep Murphy to about 10 possessions......and on and on and on it goes......
Did you have to?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 09:50:56 pm
Saints by 5 goals.....there's no more certain result this coming weekend. Saints supporters don't rate their team either, but they do against us....and with some justification too.

Riewoldt will kick a lazy 4 at least, Kosi & Milne 3 apiece, Milera will play one of his 2 good games of the year, Saad will come in and kick at least 2, Hayes a lazy 35+ possessions, Dal Santo a lazy 30+, Farren Ray will look magnificent, Jack Steven will run around like a Stawell Gift winner, Rhys Stanley will single handily fend off our forward talls, McEvoy will take 10+ contested marks everywhere, Clint Jones keep Murphy to about 10 possessions......and on and on and on it goes......

Worse still they will apply the heat to us, we fold and they then kick away. Junk time goals will bring it back from a 10 goal hiding to something nearer the 5 goal mark. Mick will interview saying we were in it for patches and the positives about how we came back in the last etc etc.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Brettie on July 09, 2013, 09:51:50 pm
Saints by 5 goals.....there's no more certain result this coming weekend. Saints supporters don't rate their team either, but they do against us....and with some justification too.

Riewoldt will kick a lazy 4 at least, Kosi & Milne 3 apiece, Milera will play one of his 2 good games of the year, Saad will come in and kick at least 2, Hayes a lazy 35+ possessions, Dal Santo a lazy 30+, Farren Ray will look magnificent, Jack Steven will run around like a Stawell Gift winner, Rhys Stanley will single handily fend off our forward talls, McEvoy will take 10+ contested marks everywhere, Clint Jones keep Murphy to about 10 possessions......and on and on and on it goes......
Did you have to?
I did - some people were starting to think we could actually win this game, a reality check was required....STAT!!!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 09:52:26 pm
Play Casboult forward. He can either play or not. We need to find out.

Kruezer can ruck most of the game anyway. The whole football world is watching us right now - do wave the white flag or take no prisoners?

Time for us to say Never again do we lose to this mob and have some pride.
I would love nothing more than for our blokes to demonstrate and achieve this.

I am with you there brother. Why can't we do it?!?!?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: WaitesKreuzin on July 09, 2013, 10:01:17 pm
Go get 'em Blues - prove all the naysayers wrong this week!. We can surely beat this mob if we can just play with a bit of intensity for 4Qs.

Agree - when we're on song we can match it with the best of them - but after the psychological bashing the boys have been taking these past 2 weeks, it wouldn't surprise me to see them flat and disinterested.

Yes, there are changes that need to be made within a number of areas at the Club but geez let's be more professional about it and don't eat our own in public! Here's looking at you Mathieson........
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Professer E on July 09, 2013, 10:02:07 pm
Because we will have the ball inside 50 for the first 10 minutes for a wasteful point, after which it will be swept down the other end where Riewoldt will get a charity free kick for being retarded by Jamison's shadow, resulting in a goal (this will happen about 4 times, but won't be paid at the other end).  At the following ball up Hayes will run hard on one of our mids, scaring them all crapless, resulting in us failing to win a clearance all night.  Milne will have 4 kicks for 3.1, some nuffie we have never heard of will kick 5 and a couple of spud defenders will be allowed to hang on, grapple and otherwise molest our forwards with impunity, thus keeping our useless forward line to 8 goals (and about 25 points).

Any part of this script sound wrong?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 09, 2013, 10:11:54 pm
Because we will have the ball inside 50 for the first 10 minutes for a wasteful point, after which it will be swept down the other end where Riewoldt will get a charity free kick for being retarded by Jamison's shadow, resulting in a goal (this will happen about 4 times, but won't be paid at the other end).  At the following ball up Hayes will run hard on one of our mids, scaring them all crapless, resulting in us failing to win a clearance all night.  Milne will have 4 kicks for 3.1, some nuffie we have never heard of will kick 5 and a couple of spud defenders will be allowed to hang on, grapple and otherwise molest our forwards with impunity, thus keeping our useless forward line to 8 goals (and about 25 points).

Any part of this script sound wrong?

That's pretty much what we've had last couple of times around the block - can't see it changing unless the players WANT to make a statement. Belt the living daylights out of them - this is our line in the sand moment if we WANT it but do we?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Woodstock on July 09, 2013, 10:31:03 pm
Gointocarlton, its probably nothing for us to worry about, but Kate was giving Hughesy heaps on Nova 100.3 this morning about it. I just wanted to smash the radio because its media exposure for us all over again. I was hoping to forget the last game and just vent hear amongst reliable, friendly supporters. Blowing off some steam and hearing some inspiring insights from those who have some footy knowledge. Do we really want everyone talking about us all week.

Heard enough cr@p from Lyon and Lloyd about how we have chosen the worst draft picks in footy history (Basically in not exact words). Now I will be hearing about this BBQ for the next few days and the footy show will bring this up for certain. Now just imagine we lose to the Saints on Saturday, and what Footy Classified will say, along with the news papers, footy show again and Kate on the radio laughing at Hughes again ? Is this what we need at the moment ? Or do we focus on how we will beat the Saints and make sure it happens at any cost ? Its me isn't it ? I'm the ignorant tool. ::)

He he. Kate can't talk. This is the woman who called get Son Lewis Lewis. Yes, she is a clever one isn't she. Hughsey probably just looks at her and feels awesome inside every single time he goes to work :)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 09, 2013, 11:45:07 pm
Negative press frustration building.  Media going ape.

Bookmark it, we'll win by ten goals.  Then we will get ahead of ourselves and be put back in our place by North, and that will end our season.

We'll get to enjoy this week though.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 09, 2013, 11:47:17 pm
Negative press frustration building.  Media going ape.

Bookmark it, we'll win by ten goals.  Then we will get ahead of ourselves and be put back in our place by North, and that will end our season.

We'll get to enjoy this week though.

Haha yep! I actually picked the winning margin as 80 points.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: deags on July 10, 2013, 01:20:16 am
I know we were extremely poor last week but I can't believe this negativity. We're not a great team but we're not a bottom 4 team either.
...
We are good enough for a comfortable win. Blues by 23.

Good post.
Not sure about a comfortable win, but I think we have a good chance.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: crashlander on July 10, 2013, 08:06:34 am
Saints by 5 goals.....there's no more certain result this coming weekend. Saints supporters don't rate their team either, but they do against us....and with some justification too.

Riewoldt will kick a lazy 4 at least, Kosi & Milne 3 apiece, Milera will play one of his 2 good games of the year, Saad will come in and kick at least 2, Hayes a lazy 35+ possessions, Dal Santo a lazy 30+, Farren Ray will look magnificent, Jack Steven will run around like a Stawell Gift winner, Rhys Stanley will single handily fend off our forward talls, McEvoy will take 10+ contested marks everywhere, Clint Jones keep Murphy to about 10 possessions......and on and on and on it goes......
Did you have to?
Unfortunately it is looking that way. I hated being Kassandra last weekend, now Brettie brings up a nightmare.
But unless we can find some intestinal fortitude, some cohesion, and some esprit de corps, his nightmare may become a reality. It happened last time with no reasonable justification.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: blueday on July 10, 2013, 10:27:44 am
Play Casboult forward. He can either play or not. We need to find out.

Kruezer can ruck most of the game anyway. The whole football world is watching us right now - do wave the white flag or take no prisoners?

Time for us to say Never again do we lose to this mob and have some pride.

This ^^^^

Casboult planted in the square. Watson to CHB. Henderson & Walker the the leading fwds Menzel and Betts Fwd. Yaz and Army of half back. Jeffy / Simpson on the wings. Change it up, run them off their feet.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 10, 2013, 10:41:33 am
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Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: raven on July 10, 2013, 02:45:16 pm
Saints are really taking it up to Freo over in the west, they won't be an easy opponent based on this performance.

They aren't an easy opponent based on 16 of the last 18 times we've played them...  >:(

Kosi's 200th - Riewoldt fresh after a rest and Milne back in....

they'll start the rough stuff and we'll turn to water.... AGAIN!!

Saints by 5 goals

How does a hack like Kosi play 200 afl games? That in itself defies belief...

St Nick's tank will allow him to run circles around Hendo and Jamo, they will need to take it in turns trying to keep up with him, whilst avoiding the resultant blow up.

I say it each week, but we must be due for a win. And a show of some kind of onfield improvement!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 10, 2013, 05:11:56 pm
Saints are really taking it up to Freo over in the west, they won't be an easy opponent based on this performance.

They aren't an easy opponent based on 16 of the last 18 times we've played them...  >:(

Kosi's 200th - Riewoldt fresh after a rest and Milne back in....

they'll start the rough stuff and we'll turn to water.... AGAIN!!

Saints by 5 goals

How does a hack like Kosi play 200 afl games? That in itself defies belief...

St Nick's tank will allow him to run circles around Hendo and Jamo, they will need to take it in turns trying to keep up with him, whilst avoiding the resultant blow up.

I say it each week, but we must be due for a win. And a show of some kind of onfield improvement!

2 reasons.

1. he is a top draft pick.

2. Bryce Gibbs is approaching 150 games and is yet to really emerge as anything but a reasonable player.

Its not a big mystery, at least Kosi is key positioned size which dont grow on trees.  Watch him kick 4 against us.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Baggers on July 10, 2013, 05:52:04 pm
This is the perfect game for us at this stage... followed by the Kangabies. I am really looking forward to Saturday night and how we respond, over 4 quarters. A loss and it would be time to get games into the young ones. A win and there's a pulse and a sniff.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 10, 2013, 06:28:46 pm
This is the perfect game for us at this stage... followed by the Kangabies. I am really looking forward to Saturday night and how we respond, over 4 quarters. A loss and it would be time to get games into the young ones. A win and there's a pulse and a sniff.

Baggers I just want to see us be ruthless with these bastards from the get go. Take no prisoners out there and the strong survive and the weak perish. It is now this club has to decide it's future and it starts on the park this Saturday night - will they apply the heat back and prevail or wave the white flag - it's up to them.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: bratblue on July 10, 2013, 07:13:44 pm
I think this group has lost it between the ears and with the admin talking about the list and suggesting a number of players aren't good enough isn't gunna help. I can't see us winning another game but I hope I'm very wrong
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: JonDorotich on July 10, 2013, 10:49:00 pm
Play Casboult forward. He can either play or not. We need to find out.

Kruezer can ruck most of the game anyway. The whole football world is watching us right now - do wave the white flag or take no prisoners?

Time for us to say Never again do we lose to this mob and have some pride.

This ^^^^

Casboult planted in the square. Watson to CHB. Henderson & Walker the the leading fwds Menzel and Betts Fwd. Yaz and Army of half back. Jeffy / Simpson on the wings. Change it up, run them off their feet.
Amen
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: blue4life on July 11, 2013, 12:05:59 am
I think this group has lost it between the ears and with the admin talking about the list and suggesting a number of players aren't good enough isn't gunna help. I can't see us winning another game but I hope I'm very wrong

We'll win some more games but I agree that our head space is shot, we looked dazed and confused last Friday night.
I'm just hoping for Saturday night, it depends which team turns up.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 11, 2013, 12:07:59 am
Carlton by 40.

Bookmark it.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 11, 2013, 12:22:02 am
Carlton by 40.

Bookmark it.

7 goals ?? I will bookmark that one for certain. I hope you are spot on this one.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 11, 2013, 12:30:27 am
Carlton by 40.

Bookmark it.

7 goals ?? I will bookmark that one for certain. I hope you are spot on this one.

I'd bet your house on it.:)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 11, 2013, 12:36:16 am
80 plus for mine.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Pratty on July 11, 2013, 08:20:39 am
For a start id be bringing in Graham, Menzel and Watson. Need to know where Watson is at and the other two are part of our future and have deserved a call up IMO anyway.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2013, 09:21:55 am
For a start id be bringing in Graham, Menzel and Watson. Need to know where Watson is at and the other two are part of our future and have deserved a call up IMO anyway.

x2....I'd be looking at Mitchell for Waite as well...need to see where he is at just like Watson.
Be good to go into this game as underdogs and I think we can win .....
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 11, 2013, 09:28:43 am
Id only be making the changes where the player has put their hand up and stated "picked me".

You fix the culture of clubs like ours in a dead year, like this year for us.

You can set standards that will hold up of why people get games of footy, and you can reward blokes with the correct attitude by giving them a game and dropping the players who are more than good enough but not showing the correct attitude.

I would call it as important as playing finals, if not more important.  You learn a lot by playing finals football, but I think you take steps towards winning a flag when you start laying the foundations of what is and is not acceptable.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: raven on July 11, 2013, 09:57:29 am
For a start id be bringing in Graham, Menzel and Watson. Need to know where Watson is at and the other two are part of our future and have deserved a call up IMO anyway.

x2....I'd be looking at Mitchell for Waite as well...need to see where he is at just like Watson.
Be good to go into this game as underdogs and I think we can win .....

Definately get some fresh faces into the side.

Rest anyone with a niggle. If Murphy needs a week off, give him a rest too. Ditto Waite, no point risking him. You could also bring in Menzel for Betts (precautionary rest).
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 11, 2013, 10:18:19 am
Why not play Murph in a fwd pocket to protect him from the midfield heat until he gets some confidence back with his jaw. He can still have an impact and lead the team, did this against Port, why not try it again.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Navy Maven on July 11, 2013, 01:06:56 pm
I'd definitely be playing the kids. Bring Watson in, throw Hendo up forward, rest Waite if need be. Menzel and Graham have earnt a call up, he hasn't done much wrong but i'd look to drop Curnow. We're too defensive in the middle, need to clear the ball out more and stop tagging so many opposition players. Bring in Graham to have a run. Betts for Menzel.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2013, 01:27:31 pm
Id only be making the changes where the player has put their hand up and stated "picked me".

You fix the culture of clubs like ours in a dead year, like this year for us.

You can set standards that will hold up of why people get games of footy, and you can reward blokes with the correct attitude by giving them a game and dropping the players who are more than good enough but not showing the correct attitude.

I would call it as important as playing finals, if not more important.  You learn a lot by playing finals football, but I think you take steps towards winning a flag when you start laying the foundations of what is and is not acceptable.

Been discussed before that some players show nothing in the twos but lift when playing senior footy....Watson and Mitchell are two that have been ordinary for most of the year but sometimes you have to gamble and throw them in the deep end with or without form to see where they are at before making decisions on their future.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 11, 2013, 01:42:38 pm
Id only be making the changes where the player has put their hand up and stated "picked me".

You fix the culture of clubs like ours in a dead year, like this year for us.

You can set standards that will hold up of why people get games of footy, and you can reward blokes with the correct attitude by giving them a game and dropping the players who are more than good enough but not showing the correct attitude.

I would call it as important as playing finals, if not more important.  You learn a lot by playing finals football, but I think you take steps towards winning a flag when you start laying the foundations of what is and is not acceptable.


Been discussed before that some players show nothing in the twos but lift when playing senior footy....Watson and Mitchell are two that have been ordinary for most of the year but sometimes you have to gamble and throw them in the deep end with or without form to see where they are at before making decisions on their future.

I understand that this can be the case, but you have to ask the question of WHY?

Why can they step up and look good, yet be rubbish at lower levels?

My only answer is, that they are actually not that good, and having better players around them make them look good, which indicates long term they will eventually fail, once its their turn to lead or they will continue letting us down when we need them to win a contest.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Dominator_7 on July 11, 2013, 02:07:05 pm
Just did my Footy Tips for the weekend.
Couldn't bring myself to tip against us, as much as my head was telling me to.
I'm giving the boys one last chance to salvage something from this year.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 11, 2013, 02:40:46 pm
Just did my Footy Tips for the weekend.
Couldn't bring myself to tip against us, as much as my head was telling me to.
I'm giving the boys one last chance to salvage something from this year.

Your tips are safe Dom.

It's in the bag.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Baggers on July 11, 2013, 04:53:01 pm
Just realised it is a milestone game... Kreuz's 100th. Well that's it... we're kn@ckered :)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: emtwenty on July 11, 2013, 05:00:29 pm
From memory Andy Mac wasn't exactly tearing it up in the VFL last year before he got a call up. I know it was probably more due to our extraordinarily long injury list, but he did step up at AFL level. Makes me think that maybe we should just take a gamble on Watson. What's there to lose? If we don't give him a shot now, we'll end up trading him for unders (as he probably has little trade value if he can't get a game). Mitchell on the other hand isn't ready for AFL - not a good enough tank yet etc. At least we know Watson can play out a full game.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Goat on July 11, 2013, 05:24:13 pm
From memory Andy Mac wasn't exactly tearing it up in the VFL last year before he got a call up. I know it was probably more due to our extraordinarily long injury list, but he did step up at AFL level. Makes me think that maybe we should just take a gamble on Watson. What's there to lose? If we don't give him a shot now, we'll end up trading him for unders (as he probably has little trade value if he can't get a game). Mitchell on the other hand isn't ready for AFL - not a good enough tank yet etc. At least we know Watson can play out a full game.
Maybe you should have a better read of Crash's & RR's reports, he (Mac) had shown good form in the 2s before coming in last week. 

I'm really surprised people are suggesting to "gift" games to players that certainly have done nothing to deserve a call up.  Really doesn't set a standard and culture going forward.  Many here keep referring to Swans/Cats culture and how players don't get gifted games in those teams, but we should  :-\  Hope MM doesn't start down this track.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 11, 2013, 05:40:47 pm
Gee I am really hoping for a very big win this week - something that makes a HUUUUGE statement that the CFC is BAAACK! Something to get the adrenaline pumping again.

Our collective enthusiasm and what's left of our optimism has all but been been destroyed this past week and I getting depressed by reading anything to do with our club atm.

If we lose again this week I think I will be putting my cue in the rack until next year and just hoping we can make the right start on fixing up the list over the off-season.  :(
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: emtwenty on July 11, 2013, 06:20:58 pm
From memory Andy Mac wasn't exactly tearing it up in the VFL last year before he got a call up. I know it was probably more due to our extraordinarily long injury list, but he did step up at AFL level. Makes me think that maybe we should just take a gamble on Watson. What's there to lose? If we don't give him a shot now, we'll end up trading him for unders (as he probably has little trade value if he can't get a game). Mitchell on the other hand isn't ready for AFL - not a good enough tank yet etc. At least we know Watson can play out a full game.
Maybe you should have a better read of Crash's & RR's reports, he (Mac) had shown good form in the 2s before coming in last week. 

I'm really surprised people are suggesting to "gift" games to players that certainly have done nothing to deserve a call up.  Really doesn't set a standard and culture going forward.  Many here keep referring to Swans/Cats culture and how players don't get gifted games in those teams, but we should  :-\  Hope MM doesn't start down this track.

I meant last year when he debuted - hence why I mentioned Andy Mac may have got his shot cause of injuries. And I know Andy Mac was in good form before last week, I watch VFL most weeks and Andy Mac more than deserved the call up last week.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Big Ken on July 11, 2013, 06:32:39 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X


Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 11, 2013, 06:35:36 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

No "knee jerk" reactions here  :D
Obviously giving them a chance at redemption.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Baggers on July 11, 2013, 06:36:16 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

Two talls out, a tall and utility in. What's the bet Hendo starts forward and Rowe takes a tall down back. Armfield the sub. Watson emergency...  :-\
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: deags on July 11, 2013, 06:42:18 pm
I am not a fan of robbing Peter to pay Paul, and hence, I don't think Henderson is our answer in the forward line, whilst he has formed such a good working relationship in the backline. BUT... he really does have to play forward this week, with Watson coming into the backline given that Waite is out and Casboult has been dropped doesn't he?
Has Casboult done something wrong and is he being disciplined? Because while I am no great fan of his, this week isn't the right week to drop him is it? We have a clear lack of talls going into the game... Don't like this at all.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: blueday on July 11, 2013, 06:47:46 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

Well F#*K me I clearly know nothing about football
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 11, 2013, 06:51:48 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

No "knee jerk" reactions here  :D
Obviously giving them a chance at redemption.

Give up! Probably won't go now.  ???
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LanceRomance on July 11, 2013, 06:56:55 pm
We are so used to "good" ins lately that this week is a bit of a shock

All the best to Rowe.. lets hope he can perform the role he is meant to and beyond.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 11, 2013, 06:57:42 pm
Rowe will have to ruck so i'm guessing Henderson will play forward. If that's the case Mcinnes is going take one of the St.Kilda talls.

Don't understand why one wouldn't select Menzel, Graham and even Watson if two key position players going out. Thought 2 talls out, two talls in might've been obvious. Not to our MC. Team selection has been awful for a couple of years making me wonder how much influence the coach has. They wouldn't be out of place selecting the Test team. MM selected much different types of teams at the Pies, two big forwards and a pinch-hitting ruck and never ever afraid of trying young blokes. Right now looks the conservative crap from last year.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Goat on July 11, 2013, 06:59:42 pm
Rowe  :o Rowe WTF? Has looked ordinary in the VFL games I've seen on TV.

It's now official Mick's tanking  :-X
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 11, 2013, 07:05:29 pm
At least Yazz wasn't dropped. Although he could be mad sub. ::)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Baggers on July 11, 2013, 07:06:08 pm
Mmm, Scotland up forward and Yazz doing 'his' job down back. Like to see Scotland around half forward to wing... just speculating with potential experiments. Rowe should be able to handle Kozzi.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Professer E on July 11, 2013, 07:06:42 pm
Gee, they were thinking outside the box with those selections....not!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: madbluboy on July 11, 2013, 07:09:40 pm
At least Yazz wasn't dropped. Although he could be mad sub. ::)

He could after another underwhelming performance last week.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Big Ken on July 11, 2013, 07:10:25 pm
More news from CFC.

 J. Waite out for 2 to 3 weeks.  SURPRISE SURPRISE O0
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 11, 2013, 07:12:33 pm
Mmm, Scotland up forward and Yazz doing 'his' job down back. Like to see Scotland around half forward to wing... just speculating with potential experiments. Rowe should be able to handle Kozzi.

Not sure Rowe will play in defence as he's going to have to do some rucking. Reckon he's playing forward with Henderson and McInnes is going to play one of the  key defensive roles.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: MilkIt on July 11, 2013, 07:15:48 pm
Mick Malthouse has been sent from Collingwood to destroy our club.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: laj on July 11, 2013, 07:17:28 pm
More news from CFC.

 J. Waite out for 2 to 3 weeks.  SURPRISE SURPRISE O0
Just thankful it wasn't a knee reco.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Dominator_7 on July 11, 2013, 07:22:02 pm
Mick Malthouse has been sent from Collingwood to destroy our club.

Yeah because it was running along so smoothly before he came along.
Quality list management
Quality President
Quality Recruiters
It was all going swimmingly
FFS!!!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 11, 2013, 08:08:06 pm
Mick Malthouse has been sent from Collingwood to destroy our club.

Yeah because it was running along so smoothly before he came along.
Quality list management
Quality President
Quality Recruiters
It was all going swimmingly
FFS!!!  >:( >:( >:(

 :))
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2013, 08:28:16 pm
At least Yazz wasn't dropped. Although he could be mad sub. ::)

He could after another underwhelming performance last week.

Eddie Betts?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LordLucifer on July 11, 2013, 08:28:43 pm
More news from CFC.

 J. Waite out for 2 to 3 weeks.  SURPRISE SURPRISE O0


Nice choice of avatar Ken, big fan of the great Robert Johnson.   ;)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: kruddler on July 11, 2013, 09:07:41 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

No "knee jerk" reactions here  :D
Obviously giving them a chance at redemption.

Suggested it was the only way to really judge Mick and his group this week. Glad to see it has turned out this way.

NOW we'll get a good understanding of what this group has in the lower abdomen region.
...and how much pull Mick has with this group.

If we turn it around after last week. Mick deserves some cred. If we have another disappointing effort....well then we are in some hot water.  :-\
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: crashlander on July 11, 2013, 09:16:11 pm
CARLTON v ST KILDA, Etihad Stadium, 7.40pm AEST, Saturday July 13

CARLTON
B: Robinson Jamison Henderson
HB: Tuohy McInnes Gibbs
C: Yarran Judd Simpson
HF: Curnow Walker Garlett
F: McLean Rowe Scotland
FOLL: Kreuzer Betts Cachia
I/C: Carrazzo Murphy Lucas Armfield
EMG: Casboult Watson White
IN: Rowe Scotland
OUT: Waite (knee) Casboult    

ST KILDA
B: Stanley Gwilt Dempster
HB: Ray Roberton Jones
C: Newnes Hayes Geary
HF: Armitage Riewoldt Montagna
F: Milne Lee Dennis-Lane
FOLL: McEvoy Dal Santo Steven
I/C: Hickey Murdoch Saunders Milera
EMG: Siposs Ross Wright
IN: Milne Riewoldt
OUT: Wright Saad


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-round-16-teams-20130711-2pswv.html#ixzz2YjaapDx0

I admit looking at this team with amazement: if we are not trying to lose I will go he. We must be going for a top 4 pick with this team structure.

Seeing Milne named for St Kilda makes me ill. How he can play against us I will not understand.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 11, 2013, 09:17:23 pm
If Rowe gets a game I am happy because we really need to see if he can become a genuine forward at AFL level. Either this or whether he becomes another tall defender for this squad.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LP on July 11, 2013, 09:36:11 pm
Despite my obvious criticism of Casboult I am surprised he gets omitted in the absence of Waite.

All I can think of is that with Waite out they must think a Kreuzer, Casboult and Rowe trio are too slow to get to the required number of contests.

Now having said that, I like the look of this weeks team it has a balance to it and I predict a big game for the Amigos.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2013, 09:39:22 pm
If Rowe gets a game I am happy because we really need to see if he can become a genuine forward at AFL level. Either this or whether he becomes another tall defender for this squad.

I am pleased to see him get a game too but its the same old part time forward/part time ruck gig for him which gives him little chance to make it as a KP player....jack of all trades master of none syndrome.
Is Mick trying to find his Leigh Brown swapping Casboult for Rowe perhaps?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Mantis on July 11, 2013, 09:49:13 pm
If Rowe gets a game I am happy because we really need to see if he can become a genuine forward at AFL level. Either this or whether he becomes another tall defender for this squad.

I am pleased to see him get a game too but its the same old part time forward/part time ruck gig for him which gives him little chance to make it as a KP player....jack of all trades master of none syndrome.
Is Mick trying to find his Leigh Brown swapping Casboult for Rowe perhaps?

Maybe Casboult, Rowe or Hampson is our potential Leigh Brown a jack of all trades type to some extent. You need a few that can execute multiple roles. Not too many. Maybe Mick hasn't decided which of these are keepers and which could be traded in the future for genuine KPP's. Maybe ??
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: JonDorotich on July 11, 2013, 09:50:43 pm
In ~ ROWE, SCOTLAND

out ~ WAITE, LEVI
 :-X

Well F#*K me I clearly know nothing about football

nor I
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: WaitesKreuzin on July 11, 2013, 09:53:32 pm
Despite my obvious criticism of Casboult I am surprised he gets omitted in the absence of Waite.

Bit of a head scratcher there as I thought Levi had been presenting to the ball quite well. Granted the Pies game wasn't his best but thought he may have maintained his place in the absence of Waite.  If Hendo goes forward then Rowe may go back. We certainly need the 3 Amigos to fire up this week but the Saints have a habit of closing us down  :(

Milne playing will no doubt be enough of an incentive for the Saints to rally  :-\

MM has handed down the gauntlet to the boys so let's see what they can do.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: JonDorotich on July 11, 2013, 10:05:20 pm
I would have an easier time accepting dropping Casboult for Watson,  but I really can't get my head around dropping Casboult for Rowe. Does Rowe have comparable upside as a key forward? Dont think so and it's far more likely that Rowe will never cut the mustard at AFL level.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of a coach that consistently gets the best out of fringe players.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: RiverRat on July 12, 2013, 12:05:32 am
I would have an easier time accepting dropping Casboult for Watson,  but I really can't get my head around dropping Casboult for Rowe. Does Rowe have comparable upside as a key forward? Dont think so and it's far more likely that Rowe will never cut the mustard at AFL level.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of a coach that consistently gets the best out of fringe players.

Rowe is probably a better key defender than Watson. I doubt the 'aints have a tall forward slow enough for Watto.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 12, 2013, 12:23:02 am
I doubt the 'aints have a tall forward slow enough for Watto.

So should we conclude that he is not of AFL standard?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: JonDorotich on July 12, 2013, 01:36:37 am
I would have an easier time accepting dropping Casboult for Watson,  but I really can't get my head around dropping Casboult for Rowe. Does Rowe have comparable upside as a key forward? Dont think so and it's far more likely that Rowe will never cut the mustard at AFL level.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of a coach that consistently gets the best out of fringe players.

Rowe is probably a better key defender than Watson. I doubt the 'aints have a tall forward slow enough for Watto.

"Probably" is the operative word in your response and I'd rather try a first round draft pick than a self confessed journeyman
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Brettie on July 12, 2013, 07:46:28 am
MM giving his largely pathetic group a chance to respond......this is gonna be interesting......
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Pratty on July 12, 2013, 07:49:17 am
I reckon we are one tall short for this game with that named 22. I reckon one of the emergencies in Watson, Casboult or White might come in.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Raydan on July 12, 2013, 07:56:03 am
Surely Malthouse is taking the piss. The embarrassment last Friday was all Casboults fault. Soft response for a soft team.  >:( >:D >:(
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Big Ken on July 12, 2013, 08:04:50 am
I know I'm SBO (Stating the Obvious) but this is the 2013 "Line In The Sand Momement" for ALL of our starting 22. 

With NORF next week again on a fri night we need a massive lift in confidence and attitude....

Like you all I'm stunned at our MC selections and blow this one and we won't see the same 22 playing for the Baggers again..

I still have some faith in the group and we should win easilly.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Pratty on July 12, 2013, 08:08:52 am
Maybe some blokes are getting another week to show MM they belong but i am disappointed to not see a Graham or Menzel out there, even Watson. Reckon Watto might still come in and play down back with Jammo with Hendo going forward.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: madbluboy on July 12, 2013, 08:21:13 am
On AFL360 Robbo made a prediction that Milne will get booed. Carlton fans have booed him for years because he's a w@nk3r not because of his off field issues.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 12, 2013, 09:08:20 am
On AFL360 Robbo made a prediction that Milne will get booed. Carlton fans have booed him for years because he's a w@nk3r not because of his off field issues.

He shouldn't be playing..... and I'm probably a bigger advocate for the "innocent until proven guilty" process than anyone.

It sends a wrong message.
All the attention in tomorrow nights game will be on Milne.
There's bound to be some booing but there will also be some 'boofy' commentators calling such booing a disgrace and trotting out the "innocent until proven guilty" line.

It's insensitive for the alleged victim for that level of attention to be focused on Milne.
Hopefully those commentating don't start banging on about his "courage in the face of adversity".
There's also a (admittedly small) chance some nut job in the crowd may try something.

Finally MBB is right.
Milne is probably the most disliked opposition player for Carlton folk.
News Flash......We'll be booing him anyway.
....and who's to say where the booing for the player rather than the offence starts and ends.

It all makes for a pretty ugly night and one that, if the folks at the Saints have any sense, they should try to avoid....for the sake of the alleged victim and Milne himself.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 12, 2013, 09:10:05 am
I reckon the only reason he is being allowed to play, is solely because the AFL players association have gotten involved and there might have been some fallout about the treatment of Andrew Lovett last time.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 12, 2013, 09:13:13 am
He's probably being allowed to play because that's how the system should work.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 12, 2013, 09:18:06 am
It's not an anti-Milne rant.
I honestly believe it's the best thing (in his interest) for him not to play.
I've no problem with St Kilda supporting him both financially and emotionally while the process plays out....that's the crux of the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
I just don't believe he should be playing.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: markncf on July 12, 2013, 09:42:52 am
This week's changes are the sort of changes that would have been made between rounds 1 and 10, a stage when we were fighting for a top 8 position.
Scotland comes in straight away... I have no issue with that.
Swapping Cas and Rowe... that's happened a couple of times this year already.
The only other change should have been to replace Waite with another tall and having Scotland displace a small (Cas probably should have stayed in in that regard).
But by not trying the newbies (Menzel, Graham, etc.) this suggest that we haven't as yet "put the cue in the rack". We're still picking a team that's close to what we would have picked at the start of the season.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Dominator_7 on July 12, 2013, 09:45:00 am
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 12, 2013, 09:52:51 am
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.
A disgrace really. I feel uncomfortable him playing as I dont believe its a good look for the AFL given the seriousness of the matter.You're right, In any other work place, you would be stood down pending, how this is not the case here baffles me. The AFL is proving to be a law unto itself which to some extent is ok however, they contradict themselves by first preaching how good they are and how they "adopt best practices" and "go over and above codes"...all until the poo hits the fan!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on July 12, 2013, 11:05:41 am
It's not an anti-Milne rant.
I honestly believe it's the best thing (in his interest) for him not to play.
I've no problem with St Kilda supporting him both financially and emotionally while the process plays out....that's the crux of the "innocent until proven guilty" thing.
I just don't believe he should be playing.

Surely he won't play   ???

Geez, if he does, it's the one match I've decided to take my 3 young kids to because their cousin is playing the little league game.
Any advice on a definition of 'rapist' suitable for an 8 year old?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Dominator_7 on July 12, 2013, 11:38:32 am
We shouldn't boo him apparently.
Not a good look apparently.
But having a guy running around on the ground who is charged with 4 counts of rape is  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 12, 2013, 11:41:35 am
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.

How's this really any different to the Lovett-Murray saga? He was stood down by the club initially and then sacked - why not Milne? Part of the boys club down there and why hasn't the AFL acted (lent on the Saints)?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 12, 2013, 12:15:29 pm
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.

How's this really any different to the Lovett-Murray saga? He was stood down by the club initially and then sacked - why not Milne? Part of the boys club down there and why hasn't the AFL acted (lent on the Saints)?

Apparently wasn't winning many friends and the club was looking for a reason. If you're going to walk a fine line, you have to make sure you are kicking goals because as we've seen countless times, when things don't start going your way there are plenty lined up to do you in.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 12, 2013, 12:17:57 pm
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.

How's this really any different to the Lovett-Murray saga? He was stood down by the club initially and then sacked - why not Milne? Part of the boys club down there and why hasn't the AFL acted (lent on the Saints)?

Apparently wasn't winning many friends and the club was looking for a reason. If you're going to walk a fine line, you have to make sure you are kicking goals because as we've seen countless times, when things don't start going your way there are plenty lined up to do you in.

Interesting the media haven't raised this point. I suspect if it had been a Carlton player we would never hear the end of it AND they'd be suspended. The nuff nuffs run the league now.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: shadesy on July 12, 2013, 12:18:16 pm
Oops is the seasons till going.

Um Saints by 23 points, Milne to kick 5.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 12, 2013, 01:20:02 pm
In any other workplace, he'd have been stood down with pay until this whole thing was sorted out.
But hey, footballers are different apparently. He's 'a top bloke', and 'the heart and soul of the Footy Club'. 'Let him play', say the chorus of boys club boof heads.
And so, he will.

How's this really any different to the Lovett-Murray saga? He was stood down by the club initially and then sacked - why not Milne? Part of the boys club down there and why hasn't the AFL acted (lent on the Saints)?

I dont mean to split hairs, but Lovett-Murray plays for Essendon, is under investigation by ASADA, was caught with ecstasy tablets not long ago, was stabbed in the bicep by an intruder, and is another player who probably shouldnt be playing AFL footy this season.

Andrew Lovett, was the one that was sacked by the Saints, and then when the uproar began, we heard about how he was not being a team player in preseason and that was grounds for dismissal.

Ill forgive you because like Milne, these guys shouldnt be playing!

 >:D
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LP on July 12, 2013, 02:01:58 pm
I reckon we are one tall short for this game with that named 22. I reckon one of the emergencies in Watson, Casboult or White might come in.

Would not be surprised if this happens, although being at Etihad the bigger guys are not so much use.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: spf on July 12, 2013, 02:24:57 pm

Andrew Lovett, was the one that was sacked by the Saints, and then when the uproar began, we heard about how he was not being a team player in preseason and that was grounds for dismissal.

Ill forgive you because like Milne, these guys shouldnt be playing!

 >:D

Yes you're right my bad there. Still the AFL has been very quiet on this and I would have expected they would request he be stood down pending the investigation. The flip side of that coin is you set a precedence and then you get people making all sorts of accusations about people who then get stood down and may be actually guilty of nothing. Stains them and their career.

You'd hate to see some rabid supporter make a claim about someone in the hope they can't play just to screw up that team. No shortage of nutters out there. 
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: bratblue on July 12, 2013, 02:35:07 pm
On AFL360 Robbo made a prediction that Milne will get booed. Carlton fans have booed him for years because he's a w@nk3r not because of his off field issues.

If he had only been w@nk3ng he wouldn't be in trouble....
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LordLucifer on July 12, 2013, 03:33:58 pm
Waite & Casboult out for Scotland & Rowe, not sure that is good for us. They bring in Milne & Riewoldt at the expense of Wright & Saad.

I may sound like the Prophet of Doom here but I've got a very bad feeling about this one.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: chookaradley on July 12, 2013, 03:41:09 pm
Milne will do sweet f.a. all night. Will kick 1 or 2 junk time goals late in the game. And will carry on like the d****head he is, as if he just won a premiership. All whilst inciting the crowd in the progress. Thats why we boo him, and thats why every opposition supporter boo him.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Woodstock on July 12, 2013, 03:44:26 pm
Waite & Casboult out for Scotland & Rowe, not sure that is good for us. They bring in Milne & Riewoldt at the expense of Wright & Saad.

I may sound like the Prophet of Doom here but I've got a very bad feeling about this one.

Same.
All depends if our players have some self respect. We have the better list. Quite a few players must surely realise this is last chance saloon. Surely.

MM can try and fire them up, but at some point each player must look inside himself and decide if they truly want this career. If they cannot go 4 quarters against this team and win convincingly, let the culling begin.

This is a must win game if we want to be seen as a serious team that is on the up. Danger Game for a lot of people.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 12, 2013, 03:51:12 pm
If anyone wants to talk "Line in the Sand" then this one is it. Would love a big win but I would be happy if we just put in our collective 100% best for four full quarters and showed that we really are having a fully serious go.

If we do that then we'll have clawed back at least some respect and I'll go along with whatever the result may be.

At least we would truly know where we stand.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: chookaradley on July 12, 2013, 03:57:35 pm
I will never understand why we need to have 4 shutdown "run with" players in the side. Graham simply must get games. This week at the very least I hope MM releases carrots to go and win his own ball
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 12, 2013, 04:00:50 pm
Our last 20 games against this mob makes for pretty unsavoury reading:
WWLLLLLLLLLLLLWWLLLL
Would love a win but cant convince myself we can. Got on the Saints at $3.25 just in case.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LanceRomance on July 12, 2013, 04:17:35 pm
I will never understand why we need to have 4 shutdown "run with" players in the side. Graham simply must get games. This week at the very least I hope MM releases carrots to go and win his own ball

I thought Graham was a tagger as well?

anyway... I agree - bring him on.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 12, 2013, 04:25:56 pm
Graham is no tagger.  That being said, he is having a decent year in the Northern Blues but is not exactly banging the door down for selection.  Tom Bell was doing more, and failed to really get selected.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Goat on July 12, 2013, 04:31:11 pm
Graham is no tagger.  That being said, he is having a decent year in the Northern Blues but is not exactly banging the door down for selection.  Tom Bell was doing more, and failed to really get selected.
He has a broken jaw at the moment, but wonder if mick would have brought him in.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 12, 2013, 04:33:47 pm
Graham is no tagger.  That being said, he is having a decent year in the Northern Blues but is not exactly banging the door down for selection.  Tom Bell was doing more, and failed to really get selected.
He has a broken jaw at the moment, but wonder if mick would have brought him in.
Heard a snippet from a little birdy which would suggest the answer would be no.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 12, 2013, 04:34:13 pm
From match reports i've read it's not so much how much Graham is doing but how he's doing it.

Descriptions seem to include, neat, skilful, good awareness, knows how to find it and use it.

Tom Bells seem to include, got plenty of it, good attack on the ball but butchered it a bit.

Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: crashlander on July 12, 2013, 04:35:15 pm
Our last 20 games against this mob makes for pretty unsavoury reading:
WWLLLLLLLLLLLLWWLLLL
Would love a win but cant convince myself we can. Got on the Saints at $3.25 just in case.
I would also like to set the Universe aright by putting this mob to the sword. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening. If our team selection is not 'tanking', then I've never seen it.

Losing to St. Kilda 'is like dancing with your sister', to paraphrase Denis Pagan.

Nick Graham: he has to be close to a senior game just because it looks like he can play. He has had a total of 3 VFL games ever, after spending the first half of the season on the LTI list. He played well in the first 2 of these, and was heavily tagged (for 19 possessions in a team that got flogged) in the 3rd. His disposal has been pretty good.
Tom Bell would have been playing senior football but for his broken jaw. His disposal has not been as good as Graham's to this point.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: chookaradley on July 12, 2013, 04:47:13 pm
Graham is no tagger.  That being said, he is having a decent year in the Northern Blues but is not exactly banging the door down for selection.  Tom Bell was doing more, and failed to really get selected.

I would've thought he would be in the "Banging down the door" basket. Has been in the best in every game he has played at Northern. The one real shining light in a otherwise unproductive midfield. These games are really important for his development. Get 6 or so games under his belt this year and it will hold him in good stead. We can surely get him into our side for one of our 4 taggers (Curnow IMO). Importantly he has earned his shot at the big time, unlike Rowe who has zero impact at Northern but still gets re-called to spearhead our forward line   ???
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 12, 2013, 05:14:35 pm
If anyone wants to talk "Line in the Sand" then this one is it.

That's a few times I've seen this game referred to as a "Line in the Sand" game. We're talking about a team sitting which has cemented a spot in the bottom 4 - we're in worse shape than even I thought if this is line in the sand stuff.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 12, 2013, 05:41:42 pm
If anyone wants to talk "Line in the Sand" then this one is it.

That's a few times I've seen this game referred to as a "Line in the Sand" game. We're talking about a team sitting which has cemented a spot in the bottom 4 - we're in worse shape than even I thought if this is line in the sand stuff.

We are not in good shape atm IOT - maybe tonight we can turn it around?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 12, 2013, 05:49:04 pm
We are not in good shape atm IOT - maybe tonight we can turn it around?

Four games just past to define our season or draw a line in the sand. We didn't. I'm not sure about those kinds of games anyway. How many of us thought we had draw a line in the sand in R3 2012 when we physically smashed a team which had traditionally bullied us? :-[

I am interested to see how our guys play though. I expect a comfortable win but it's a dead rubber so I want to see if they just go through the motions.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Baggers on July 12, 2013, 06:07:17 pm
From match reports i've read it's not so much how much Graham is doing but how he's doing it.

Descriptions seem to include, neat, skilful, good awareness, knows how to find it and use it.

Tom Bells seem to include, got plenty of it, good attack on the ball but butchered it a bit.


Graham thinks like a footballer; looks right at home with the aggot in his hands and is a ball magnet. Thank you, Nick Stevens, for putting this bloke under the nose of recruiting... they probably wouldn't have noticed him without your efforts ::)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LanceRomance on July 12, 2013, 06:25:59 pm
From match reports i've read it's not so much how much Graham is doing but how he's doing it.

Descriptions seem to include, neat, skilful, good awareness, knows how to find it and use it.

Tom Bells seem to include, got plenty of it, good attack on the ball but butchered it a bit.


Graham thinks like a footballer; looks right at home with the aggot in his hands and is a ball magnet. Thank you, Nick Stevens, for putting this bloke under the nose of recruiting... they probably wouldn't have noticed him without your efforts ::)

more importantly, he is an extroverted character... the kind of character we were missing.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 12, 2013, 06:57:34 pm
We are not in good shape atm IOT - maybe tonight we can turn it around?

Four games just past to define our season or draw a line in the sand. We didn't. I'm not sure about those kinds of games anyway. How many of us thought we had draw a line in the sand in R3 2012 when we physically smashed a team which had traditionally bullied us? :-[

I am interested to see how our guys play though. I expect a comfortable win but it's a dead rubber so I want to see if they just go through the motions.

The line in the sand I want to see is the one that says that whenever we take to the field we each give our absolute 100% utmost for the team. That's the most important thing for us atm. Making a start on that one would be good and keeping it up for the rest of the year would be even better!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Goat on July 12, 2013, 07:47:05 pm
From match reports i've read it's not so much how much Graham is doing but how he's doing it.

Descriptions seem to include, neat, skilful, good awareness, knows how to find it and use it.

Tom Bells seem to include, got plenty of it, good attack on the ball but butchered it a bit.


Graham thinks like a footballer; looks right at home with the aggot in his hands and is a ball magnet. Thank you, Nick Stevens, for putting this bloke under the nose of recruiting... they probably wouldn't have noticed him without your efforts ::)

more importantly, he is an extroverted character... the kind of character we were missing.
Have you seen his hair do ;D
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: denimundies on July 13, 2013, 12:51:44 am
don't think they'll leave anything behind for this one. would have liked to see Menzel played, expect we'll finally break the hoodoo
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 13, 2013, 08:50:39 am
re: Milne....gets off on the crowd booing him and loves to stick up opposing cheer squads etc....I hope we leave it alone and just play footy and he doesnt get too much insperation from being heckled.

Interesting choice for MM will be who plays on Reiwoldt...do you play Henderson forward and leave Jamo on NR which means McInnes would probably have to play on Tom Lee. IF Jamo gets NR you know it will be the same old same old from  NR dragging Jamo up the ground and leaving a big hole down forward for Milne to work in..
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LanceRomance on July 13, 2013, 09:08:25 am
re: Milne....gets off on the crowd booing him and loves to stick up opposing cheer squads etc....I hope we leave it alone and just play footy and he doesnt get too much insperation from being heckled.

Interesting choice for MM will be who plays on Reiwoldt...do you play Henderson forward and leave Jamo on NR which means McInnes would probably have to play on Tom Lee. IF Jamo gets NR you know it will be the same old same old from  NR dragging Jamo up the ground and leaving a big hole down forward for Milne to work in..


I think the trick with these things is to deny the hole.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 13, 2013, 10:07:13 am
re: Milne....gets off on the crowd booing him and loves to stick up opposing cheer squads etc....I hope we leave it alone and just play footy and he doesnt get too much insperation from being heckled.

Interesting choice for MM will be who plays on Reiwoldt...do you play Henderson forward and leave Jamo on NR which means McInnes would probably have to play on Tom Lee. IF Jamo gets NR you know it will be the same old same old from  NR dragging Jamo up the ground and leaving a big hole down forward for Milne to work in..

In the earlier Saints game NR mercilessly dragged Jamo around the ground and ran him into the deck. We should certainly avoid that same pitfall. If Riewoldt leaves our defensive zone then someone else should go with him or pick him up. I would be tempted to think of Walker - try to spoil and then exploit him on the rebound?
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 13, 2013, 10:41:56 am

I think the trick with these things is to deny the hole.

If we need extra tactical support in that area, I still have a few numbers of some masters of that approach :P
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Belly on July 13, 2013, 11:04:03 am
He's probably being allowed to play because that's how the system should work.

The turd is playing, solely because the Aints are paying us (we're their bitches) !!!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: townsendcalling on July 13, 2013, 12:23:45 pm
Memo to Mick:

One on one football, tag no one and back our talent against theirs.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: LanceRomance on July 13, 2013, 04:03:42 pm
Memo to Mick:

One on one football, tag no one and back our talent against theirs.

1 tag.... del santo
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Choo on July 13, 2013, 06:22:55 pm
Mitch Robinson has been replaced by Matt Watson. Eddie Betts (Blues) and Terry Milera (Saints) are the sub
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 13, 2013, 06:26:00 pm
Mitch Robinson has been replaced by Matt Watson. Eddie Betts (Blues) and Terry Milera (Saints) are the sub

Henderson to go forward;)
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: ItsOurTime on July 13, 2013, 06:26:17 pm
Betts very disappointing last week, huge call though!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Dominator_7 on July 13, 2013, 06:48:19 pm
That should satisfy a lot of the sooks on here!
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cookie2 on July 13, 2013, 06:59:54 pm
Mitch Robinson has been replaced by Matt Watson. Eddie Betts (Blues) and Terry Milera (Saints) are the sub

Henderson to go forward;)

Don't mind that
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: cimm1979 on July 13, 2013, 07:00:34 pm
Glad that Betts is the sub.

Could have been dropped really.

Carlton by 40
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 13, 2013, 07:28:36 pm
Betts very disappointing last week, huge call though!

Shows the current state of our team when Betts is made sub and surely to be dropped if he plays poorly.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Lods on July 13, 2013, 07:29:24 pm
News flash for the 7Mate commentators..

Milne would have been booed by the Carlton folk regardless.
 ::)

The fact that 3/4 of the people in their Poll on whether Milne should be playing reckon he shouldn't is a surprise to Darcy is a reflection on his perceptions.
Title: Re: RD 16 : Carlton v St Kilda (Pre-game Chatter)
Post by: Thryleon on July 13, 2013, 07:36:14 pm
Yep, going the boo is almost prerequisite for Milne. If it was Ballantyne they would boo him too.