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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #120
With that observation in mind, he is better suited to areas where he is less likely to be put in those situations IMO.
So wing, or even previously in the BP are ideal as he either has more time, space, or 'outs' ie boundary line to help him.
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type. If he could then he may have been a natural substitute for Plowman over the seasons but he hasn't been an option.

As much as many fans pot Plowman we've very few players as versatile and able to cover the ground like Plowman does.

Interestingly, I see Setterfield's strengths and weakness as very similar to Dow, but Setterfield has Dow covered in one area comfortably, and that is overhead!

Setterfield is much better as an inside mid than fans give him credit for, it's a hard thing to teach, and we must not fall into the trap of judging all Mids against Cripps or Walsh.

Perhaps if Hewett's condition is chronic, therefore no cure, then Voss and the MC need to setup a structure that sees Hewett managed and Setterfield developed as Hewett's natural understudy. We have a bunch of options who could also be in the mix for this role though, Carroll, Philp, Cottrell perhaps even Williams and Kemp, all look capable but few have been given the opportunity or got a clear run of fitness yet.

Having said all that, look at how Cripps has improved his agility and acceleration, if Cripps can then anyone should be able to emulate this outcome. Therefore I'd love to see SoJ get a sustained period of development as a Hewett / Cripps sub, because at VFL level SoJ was outstanding as a stoppage player. The in traffic stuff comes naturally to SoJ!
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #121
I'm a fan of Carroll and Kemp and see them as senior players but both need a breakout year where they play a consistent block of games. To me they have far more upside than Setterfield and a few others.


Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #122
I'm a fan of Carroll and Kemp and see them as senior players but both need a breakout year where they play a consistent block of games. To me they have far more upside than Setterfield and a few others.


Agree with this, Carroll especially needs to time to get used to the pace of the game, he looked very slow in his appearance this year. Can only do this playing in the 1s but we need to be playing much better to be able to carry him on L plates.
To my eye, Kemp on the other hand has the opposite problem, he needs to slow down a touch and compose himself. I have Kemp ahead of Carroll just but I think they might both be ok given time.
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #123
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type.
He is too slow by hand to play that role.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #124
Without Hewett (and now Kennedy as well) we are back to the problems we had before we got him. I’m just not sure we can cover this situation and will likely struggle since I don’t think the likes of Dow and Setterfield can make up that loss. I hope I’m wrong but I certainly look at today’s game with some trepidation.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #125
Not sure Setterfield can sustain the intensity of run at the required pace to play those roles, so for me he is always going to primarily be an inside stoppage type. If he could then he may have been a natural substitute for Plowman over the seasons but he hasn't been an option.

As much as many fans pot Plowman we've very few players as versatile and able to cover the ground like Plowman does.

Interestingly, I see Setterfield's strengths and weakness as very similar to Dow, but Setterfield has Dow covered in one area comfortably, and that is overhead!

Setterfield is much better as an inside mid than fans give him credit for, it's a hard thing to teach, and we must not fall into the trap of judging all Mids against Cripps or Walsh.

Perhaps if Hewett's condition is chronic, therefore no cure, then Voss and the MC need to setup a structure that sees Hewett managed and Setterfield developed as Hewett's natural understudy. We have a bunch of options who could also be in the mix for this role though, Carroll, Philp, Cottrell perhaps even Williams and Kemp, all look capable but few have been given the opportunity or got a clear run of fitness yet.

Having said all that, look at how Cripps has improved his agility and acceleration, if Cripps can then anyone should be able to emulate this outcome. Therefore I'd love to see SoJ get a sustained period of development as a Hewett / Cripps sub, because at VFL level SoJ was outstanding as a stoppage player. The in traffic stuff comes naturally to SoJ!

I think Plow is highly underrated he is tough and brave but his season has been average at best. It's ok not improving on your bests but when you are at that age and chips are down you do expect some leadership to help the team out of an in-game rut. He is too vanilla to keep persisting with and also isn't improving from a mediocre base but still underrated and quite dependable but not starting 22 quality imo.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #126
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #127
Anyone taking bets on how many freek kicks Mathieson plays for, and gets, at the GABBA today? Mentioned it before somewhere on these threads but the You Tube clip of the highlights of his first ever AFL game is hilarious.....6 or 7 high free kicks that would push Selwood and Ginnivan back into Silver and Bronze medal placings.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #128
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.

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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #129
Setterfield has natural weapons to play inside mid. His distribution by hand in close is elite he has above average peripheral vision in congested situations - he's always had that Pendelbury-like handball in close.

Let’s just pray then that he can put all of that to good use for us today Pin.
Reality always wins in the end.


Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #131
Yes, as an inside Mid / Distributor Setterfield is as good as Cripps, but he doesn't have Cripps power or explosiveness. We can't have them all in there but he should be on a rotation.

I could well see Setterfield and Cripps rotate through Mid / Forward, but you won't get support for that because the boosters will realise it's their boy SoJ who be most likely making way! That is assuming a Pitto / TDK ruck combo.
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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #132
Yes, as an inside Mid / Distributor Setterfield is as good as Cripps, but he doesn't have Cripps power or explosiveness. We can't have them all in there but he should be on a rotation.

I could well see Setterfield and Cripps rotate through Mid / Forward, but you won't get support for that because the boosters will realise it's their boy SoJ who be most likely making way! That is assuming a Pitto / TDK ruck combo.

Setters is super creative and can fill the void left by Hewett imo.

 

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #133
Remind Voss because he's the one that keeps dropping him. He obviously doesn't view him as a Pendlebury/Cripps hybrid.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #134
Remind Voss because he's the one that keeps dropping him. He obviously doesn't view him as a Pendlebury/Cripps hybrid.
I thought Setterfield was pretty good early this season, when we started with almost a full house of players he was comfortably keeping his spot, it seems disingenuous to ignore that.

It's only once we lost a few to injuries that I think Setterfield, LoB and a few others started to wain in form, and I think that was as much about team balance as anything else. To many gaps to fill with players not suited to the roles they were being asked to play.
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