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Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I love the analogy Brenton Sanderson used about the green light in the link I posted.  I reckon Carlton have had that attitude since the bye (dont go red). From rnd 1 to the bye, they were free spirited and daring (ie stay green). I reckon what we saw in the last was pre bye Carlton, not necessarily plan B.

It's an interesting point to ponder. I suspect that in those early rounds, the boys were playing according to plan - win the contest and go forward at speed. Personally, I would not think that fast ball movement automatically means risky football. I think in those early rounds we were playing exactly as Voss wanted, and it was working a treat. When it stopped working, then you need to think of other methods, and that's when you start to go for the risky kick, handball etc. If you play risky, there's a higher chance of turnovers, and I think Voss understands full well that our turnover game and our transition game are not to the level, and are still works in progress. Which is why I think he's not so enthused about playing like the last q of the Lions game. IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I have heard 3 separate "murmurings" in the last week that suggest Voss has no plan B.
Ross Lyon said same...even said we don't use enough imagination with selection and he wanted Stocker in the middle.
The tagging of Saad has really wrecked our system too...have gone from being a top team in forward entries to no 11 and I bet if you dug deeper those entries wouldn't be great quality either.
Lyon said Harry has to get involved more too or words to that effect which in layman's talk means make more effort...

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #137 –
Macca....they're making a game of it....3/4 time and nothing in it. Reckon we're all on GWS in this last quarter!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #138 –
Dogs won. We've got to do it all on our own.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #139 –
Pressure is on now. Bulldogs can beat Hawthorn in the last round. Richmond shouldn’t have problems with Hawthorn and Essendon.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #140 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Ross Lyon said same...even said we don't use enough imagination with selection and he wanted Stocker in the middle.
The tagging of Saad has really wrecked our system too...have gone from being a top team in forward entries to no 11 and I bet if you dug deeper those entries wouldn't be great quality either.
Lyon said Harry has to get involved more too or words to that effect which in layman's talk means make more effort...

And who takes seriously anything Lyon says?  He is still smarting at missing out on what he thought would be a nice little earner to end his career and being made to look foolish with his way off target assessments of our fortunes.

Stocker, Kemp or Charlie in the middle are the sorts of suggestions supporters make.  None have played in the midfield at AFL level and have spent the year working on their roles in the forward line or defence.  Do they learn a midfield role in a couple of training sessions.

One of the positive things about our loss to the Lions was how Vossy moved the magnets and how the players responded in the last quarter.  We didn't get the four points but that was right up there with the best footy we have played all season.  Still, if we can kick 8 goals to 4 in the last quarter, why did we only manage 4 goals to 13 in the first three quarters?  I suspect that it's more above the shoulders than anything else.

I'm not sure how you tag a defender.  It's more a matter of Saad's opponent not being accountable and getting easy kicks when we turn the ball over.  Our sliding defence should really cover that (and we shouldn't turn the ball over in vulnerable positions), but I would like to see a hard-nosed, lockdown defender in our back 7 ... and keep Newnes on the wing if he has to play anywhere.  Saad only had two score involvements and two inside 50s but he still had an equal season high 10 rebound 50s and gained 500m, well above average.

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Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #141 –
Quote from: DJC on
And who takes seriously anything Lyon says?  He is still smarting at missing out on what he thought would be a nice little earner to end his career and being made to look foolish with his way off target assessments of our fortunes.

Stocker, Kemp or Charlie in the middle are the sorts of suggestions supporters make.  None have played in the midfield at AFL level and have spent the year working on their roles in the forward line or defence.  Do they learn a midfield role in a couple of training sessions.

One of the positive things about our loss to the Lions was how Vossy moved the magnets and how the players responded in the last quarter.  We didn't get the four points but that was right up there with the best footy we have played all season.  Still, if we can kick 8 goals to 4 in the last quarter, why did we only manage 4 goals to 13 in the first three quarters?  I suspect that it's more above the shoulders than anything else.

I'm not sure how you tag a defender.  It's more a matter of Saad's opponent not being accountable and getting easy kicks when we turn the ball over.  Our sliding defence should really cover that (and we shouldn't turn the ball over in vulnerable positions), but I would like to see a hard-nosed, lockdown defender in our back 7 ... and keep Newnes on the wing if he has to play anywhere.  Saad only had two score involvements and two inside 50s but he still had an equal season high 10 rebound 50s and gained 500m, well above average.


Last quarter goals come under the heading of junk time in the main and Brisbane have a habit of switching off so I dont take much heart from late rallies , the magnets if moved were moved too late. Being a high forward entry team and going to NO 11(Lyons stats) if true is a telling stat. Tagging rebound defenders is fairly common now, Tom Stewart cops it most weeks and I'd expect Salem to be closely watched tonight if our coaching staff have much idea as its been a tactic used by other teams who have had success beating Melbourne. Speaking of tagging I was a bit horrified to read we didnt tag Lachie Neale last week, not sure you can beat Brisbane without stopping Neale and that magnet should have been moved at the start of play rather than just give him the 3 votes Voss needs to show a bit more imagination and feel for the momentum of the game imho, winning 2 out of the last 5 tells me its a bit more than just above the shoulders and players are not working as hard as they need to pick up the slack created by injuries to Hewett and Kennedy especially.
 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #142 –
Cerra out setters in
2024... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #143 –
I see it but I don't believe it ....

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #144 –
Cerra hasn't been right since he returned from injury. No idea if this is related.

Let's hope we don't follow the pathic example of our AFLW v Dees. 16 - 86 late in the 4th. Our women looked like U10's with many appearing to have no idea about footy. That’s going to be a long painful season.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #145 –
Quote from: BluePhantom on
Cerra out setters in
Guess that creates opportunity for the Navy Blue Pendlebury to dazzle us again, maybe he can surprise the punters and play the game of his career so far, sometimes opportunity brings out the best in fringe players.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Slowhand on
I see it but I don't believe it ....

We're just sticking to this years narrative. Injury Crisis.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #147 –
Abductor apparently. You just know gone for the year.

We are Carlton

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #148 –
Vossy will witness first hand whether Setters is in fact a big bodied mid. 😳
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #149 –
Its all a cunning plan, we don't really want to play finals this year! 🤪
Reality always wins in the end.