AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #105 – March 17, 2023, 07:19:44 pm

You can follow Ben's take on it in replies to Mitch Cleary on Twitter

https://twitter.com/bensilvagni/status/1636337753565855744?cxt=HBwWgIDU3YyhuLUtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #106 – March 17, 2023, 07:20:17 pm

Not sure if he was acting or genuinely saw things he liked, but Voss seemed rather upbeat in the post match.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #107 – March 17, 2023, 07:34:26 pm

Quote from: PaulP on March 17, 2023, 07:20:17 pm

Not sure if he was acting or genuinely saw things he liked, but Voss seemed rather upbeat in the post match.

I reckon he may have been a bit apprehensive coming into the game.
He probably hoped for a good showing, maybe even a win, but in the back of his mind he would probably have been thinking the worst thing that could happen to start the season would be a five or six goal loss.
It would kill expectations and have us on the back foot to start the year.

Richmond went in as favourites, despite the hype around us, they're a good side who will likely be there at the end of the year.
There may even have been an element of relief from Voss in the post match.
"That's out of the way, there's a few things to work on, but lots of positives and improvement to come as well. We didn't play to our best but we still didn't lose the game."

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #108 – March 17, 2023, 07:50:39 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 16, 2023, 11:21:03 pm

Apparently Jack was upset his old man didnt go into the rooms for the post match photos with family. I know he works at another club but it’s your son mate.

Indeed, this is something I hope Stephen will look on with shame. It was a very special thing, the first person to have 3 generations of player to play 100+ games at the same club. I'm not surprised Jack wasn't happy. It was a very puny thing to do. I expected Stephen to be bigger than that for his son.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #109 – March 17, 2023, 07:52:12 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 16, 2023, 10:37:24 pm

Lewis Young was huge I thought

Absolutely! He gave Riewoldt a bath. His calmness was also a real positive. Young was going nowhere at the Dogs, now he is becoming a player to notice.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #110 – March 17, 2023, 07:57:18 pm

Quote from: crashlander on March 17, 2023, 07:52:12 pm

Absolutely! He gave Riewoldt a bath. His calmness was also a real positive. Young was going nowhere at the Dogs, now he is becoming a player to notice.

It's a good thing he was given a chance to play another position.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #111 – March 17, 2023, 07:57:54 pm

Quote from: shawny on March 16, 2023, 10:59:07 pm

Our midfield is one paced and we struggle to move or break any lines and can’t deliver the final blow all the good team can when on top. We keep them all within striking distance and then clam up when the pressure keeps building.

Really miss Walsh as a connecting player and we are still carrying too many players who do very little yet still keep their spot.

I know it’s only round one but I didn’t see a finals team tonight.

You are right: most of our mids are the in and under type. That means they don't tend to be the fastest of players. However, we have recruited to do something about that. It is just a little early to see the results. When guys like Small Durds and Hollands are buzzing around, buts like Cottrell are available, and, most importantly, Walsh is in there and playing well, our midfield will be a different proposition.

What worried me more last night was the lack of defensive pressure some of our forwards provided. Charlie, especially, although Jack Martin was another significant one. I want to see them run guys down from behind, want to see the desire when the ball gets near them. H had it last night. He ran hard and often and took a huge number of marks that the Richmond defence couldn't do anything about..

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #112 – March 17, 2023, 08:00:26 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 16, 2023, 11:15:49 pm

Thought Gov was pretty solid for 99% of the night, then had a few howlers.
Weiters did well on Lynch all night, got caught out by an assy bloke by Taranto hich allowed Lynch to mark it and goal to square the game.

Very accurate. For 3 quarters McGovern more than held his own. He was excellent. Then, all of a sudden, his composure simply disappeared and he made a series of serious errors. He will be better for it.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #113 – March 17, 2023, 08:05:07 pm

Quote from: madbluboy on March 17, 2023, 09:56:08 am

Silvagni attended 18 ruck contests for 2 hit outs. Not a ruckman and it probably hurts his forward work which was poor last night.

Last year in round 1 Pittonet had a good battle with Nankervis for most of the game which allowed a fresh TDK to smash him in the final term.

Its time to end this Silvagni in the ruck nonsense. It doesn't work and our results in the 2nd half of last year show this.

I have t agree. It worked somewhat because it was unexpected. It doesn't now. Clubs are ready for it, and it does nothing to help Jack's play.
We need Pitto back, but is he fit enough yet? Do we try one of the kids, or would be be less effective than Jack?
I don't know, but I really want to see Pitto play like he did early last year. It is take some weeks to have him find real form, I'll live with it (and won't like it), but we need a bull ruckman on the ground.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #114 – March 17, 2023, 09:33:18 pm

One other thing, I don't recall seeing us do any of those around-the-corner-no-look-hack-kicks (ATCNLHK) that invariably get turned over. Not even Ed attempted one. They are the bane of my CFC existence.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #115 – March 17, 2023, 09:58:45 pm

Quote from: crashlander on March 17, 2023, 07:52:12 pm

Absolutely! He gave Riewoldt a bath. His calmness was also a real positive. Young was going nowhere at the Dogs, now he is becoming a player to notice.

Fancy that. Come to Carlton and resurrect your career. That’s a new storyline.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #116 – March 17, 2023, 10:02:36 pm

Quote from: crashlander on March 17, 2023, 08:00:26 pm

Very accurate. For 3 quarters McGovern more than held his own. He was excellent. Then, all of a sudden, his composure simply disappeared and he made a series of serious errors. He will be better for it.

A bit behind in match fitness perhaps 🤔

He improves our backline significantly. Reads the play so well. Hope he can get and stay fit this year.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #117 – March 17, 2023, 11:22:09 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on March 17, 2023, 06:44:51 pm

Had he gone in, there would have been a lot of talk about the club looking unproffesional letting in an opposition administrator, add a poached player to the Saints at the end of year, or a loss against the Saints and then what?

He will see his son after the game, and chat to him as a father and none of that crap will matter, and nor will it be something that causes some angst between the club and Jack.

Like I said was on a hiding to nothing.

I guess the professional way to have managed it by SOS and the club would have been to get everyone on the ground after the siren…
Opportunity missed.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #118 – March 17, 2023, 11:31:13 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 17, 2023, 07:19:44 pm

You can follow Ben's take on it in replies to Mitch Cleary on Twitter

https://twitter.com/bensilvagni/status/1636337753565855744?cxt=HBwWgIDU3YyhuLUtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

Sounds like we found out Ben is very supportive of his old man, and we might have just found out why he got delisted. Sounds like the Silvagnis arent happy with the Carlton Football club to me.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #119 – March 17, 2023, 11:31:42 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on March 17, 2023, 06:44:51 pm

Had he gone in, there would have been a lot of talk about the club looking unproffesional letting in an opposition administrator, add a poached player to the Saints at the end of year, or a loss against the Saints and then what?

He will see his son after the game, and chat to him as a father and none of that crap will matter, and nor will it be something that causes some angst between the club and Jack.

Like I said was on a hiding to nothing.

The thing is that he was invited and was expected to attend but, for whatever reason, chose to hide in the carpark rather than take part in a celebration that was important to his son, wife and mother. I imagine that Stephen will be dining on cold shoulder and hot tongue for some time.

Stephen has always been one of my favourite footballers and I excused his inability to show any joy in Jack's achievements as a stoic father not wishing to show his emotions in public. Not attending Jack's 100 game celebration was simply pathetic.

Folk from other clubs are always in the rooms after games, particularly former players who have connections with other clubs. My ex-Carlton mates, despite playing more games for other clubs, identify themselves as Carlton players first and foremost, and are happy to overlook any issues from back in the day.