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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #45
We must play the two rucks but what does that mean for SOS? Are McGovern and SOS a direct swap, SOS down back as the third tall interceptor and McGovern out?

Yes, very interesting what happens in this space as the season progresses

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #46
Richmond clearly dragged us down to their level last week...

(Head explodes)
"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..."  Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #47
We must play the two rucks but what does that mean for SOS? Are McGovern and SOS a direct swap, SOS down back as the third tall interceptor and McGovern out?

I don't think Jack is in great form at the moment. McGovern needs more game time as his touch is just a bit off . He's missed a fair bit of football, but I think he potentially offers more value if he gets that right.
We understand Jack's been pushed from pillar to post filling multiple roles and we need to cut him some slack.
But I don't think it would hurt to send him back to he VFL for a couple of weeks to get a bit of confidence and form back.
We need to keep both tall rucks.
Not sure about Jack in defence but it's worth a try, maybe first at the lower level.
His strength is probably his versatility and it might add another string to the bow.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #48

Both us and Collingwood have knocked them over with the same game plan and he hadn't been able to find the answers apart from saying it's all ok.
he acknowledged that and said they will look different in 4 weeks time and again at the end of the year. I heard him talk about the coming season during the PS and he stated they would need to be different to 22 otherwise they will get knocked over. They do have some fair key personnel missing so they can't play structurally they way they would have planned for in the PS, the two losses show that. Apart from his coaches box antics/theatrics, he is one of the football people I like listening to when interviewed. Astute, measured but ruthless (just like he played).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #49
Compared to Rnd 1 last nights game was at another level, skills were better, the opposition was better, we were better.

You can see why we will look back on Rnd 1 and feel it was a lost opportunity.

I feel Pitto coming in has shown the way for the ruck situation, his mix-n-match with TDK just works better in my opinion, you can clearly see the value Pitto brings when you need some heavy duty grunt work to put the brakes on the opposition.

Durdin coming in made a difference for Owies, Fisher and Motlop, that little bit extra run matters, Motlop getting up the field further also worked well, all were better this week.

The Tigers put more pressure on us and were better than Geelong.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #50
Important win. Feeds belief. Tested by great system, especially in the final qtr, but responded well. Kids learning important attitudes.

How critical is that terrific forward pressure. Suspect they were challenged during the week to up their work rate, and responded in the best way... especially Owies. Thrilled to see small Durds back. The more games that small Durds, Motlop and Owies can play together the better.

Edward C silenced his critics.

Fisher improved, but is still a concern. JSOS is a worry also (yes, I know... Bambi and all that, but failed marks and a whisker too selfish at times).

Pitto and TDK ...great. Let's not split this duo.

Acres & Hollands... loved their games.

Sheesh, H is quick for a bloke 30ft tall!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #51
Very pleased with the win but I still kept thinking we were going to throw it away in the last. They don't fill me with confidence when it gets tough & tight, thank god McKay took those strong telling marks to slow things down.

I'm not a fan of Pittonet (having said that, he was okay last nite) but how the match committee can actually think we go into a game with TDK as the sole ruck deeply concerns me too. Playing two rucks, regardless of how good they are, gives the team some flexibility and protection for the little guys.

Motlop needs to be taught the 'Stand' rule, time & time again he stood the mark and when the umpire called play on he still stood flat-footed in the belief that he was going to give away a 50m penalty. He let the Cats players just stroll around him when he should have been rushing them to lay a ferocious tackle.

The Durdin-Owies-Motlop plan doesn't work and I doubt it ever will, only play two small fowards in the future please.

Ed Curnow was a surprise, maybe it was just a one-off cameo but it was much needed.

I still feel we are not "there' yet from a playing list perspective. The defence is not too bad, the midfield needs another 1 or 2 solid bodies whilst the forward-line needs another option. The smalls are hit & miss, we don't have any notable mid-sized forwards thus meaning we are relying purely on the two big guys. I am concerned that this makes us two predictable and vulnerable if one of them gets injured.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #52
By the way, Cowan & Hollands are two of the best pick-ups we have made in some years.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #53
he acknowledged that and said they will look different in 4 weeks time and again at the end of the year. I heard him talk about the coming season during the PS and he stated they would need to be different to 22 otherwise they will get knocked over. They do have some fair key personnel missing so they can't play structurally they way they would have planned for in the PS, the two losses show that. Apart from his coaches box antics/theatrics, he is one of the football people I like listening to when interviewed. Astute, measured but ruthless (just like he played).

Likewise, I thought Chris Scott's post match was fair and measured, though I do think he's far from pleased with their situation... kept criticisms for behind closed doors and went with the longer view approach for the media.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #54
How good is Adam Saad ?

Thank you to :
- Charlie Curnow - 5.2 in a 12 goal game.
- Harry McKay for those last minute marks.
- Jack Bowes for missing.
- Tyson Stengle for the 50M penalty.
- the umpires for a well officiated game
- the football gods for the 4 points and no injuries.


You forgot one....Thank you to Jack Martin's calf......and welcome Pitto!!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #55
Motlop needs to be taught the 'Stand' rule, time & time again he stood the mark and when the umpire called play on he still stood flat-footed in the belief that he was going to give away a 50m penalty. He let the Cats players just stroll around him when he should have been rushing them to lay a ferocious tackle.

The Durdin-Owies-Motlop plan doesn't work and I doubt it ever will, only play two small fowards in the future please.

Now Cloven-Hooved One... what I saw from Motlop on the mark was first rate... stands there like a caged tiger ready to pounce and once the umps calls play on... he's off and running.

And as for small Durds, Owies and Motlop together... each offers terrific points of difference in a small forward, all offer (when they're 'on') great pressure. Keep them thar 3 amigos together.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #56
Gov was a major reason behind our success in the first half of season 2022. He has a rare combination of intercept marking, run and adventurous kicking which can open up opposition forward presses. Sure, his marking is rusty at the moment and his decision-making is questionable at times, but both will improve with games under the belt after having little match practice in the preseason. Getting high quality exits out of D50 against a pressure team like the Tigers is pretty much down to Saad and Gov.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #57
Likewise, I thought Chris Scott's post match was fair and measured, though I do think he's far from pleased with their situation... kept criticisms for behind closed doors and went with the longer view approach for the media.
Measured
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #58
Now Cloven-Hooved One... what I saw from Motlop on the mark was first rate... stands there like a caged tiger ready to pounce and once the umps calls play on... he's off and running.

And as for small Durds, Owies and Motlop together... each offers terrific points of difference in a small forward, all offer (when they're 'on') great pressure. Keep them thar 3 amigos together.
My one minor criticism of Mots ATM is he seems to slow down to make his decision on what to do next. He is just a kid granted but he needs to make decisions at whilst moving at full tilt (like Durds does).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #59
Watching the replay of second half Fish was better than how I saw him at the game. Lots of pressure play, yes some silly errors - how TF do we kick into the man on the mark!? - but overall better.

JSOS looked a little sore at one stage - he is important to us and needs to be given some slack. Kid does not stop and keeps at it.

Was concerned we’d run out of legs in the last but they rallied. Was nervous until final 30 seconds, not good for the heart, these games.

With disappointment and close losses, comes learning, resilience and hardened resolve. There was a difference last night and even last week, to end of last year - slight but it’s there 💪🏼