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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #61
Fans tend to focus on only certain aspects of the creative stuff and the finishing. But the other side to the creative stuff is what we see Ed and Ollie doing over the first couple of weeks, especially Ed last night.

When you see those turnovers it's easy to focus on the tackler or the one who spoils, but the truth is the Cats got disrupted because blokes like Ed and Hollands did the hard running to close off exit avenues. This type of creative defence can't be under-estimated in value.

Further, the return of Durdin allowed more run across the full game time from Owies, Motlop and Fisher, so we get a compounding effect. Ed and Hollands prepared to work, and the others remaining fresh enough to genuinely assist.
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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #62
Fans tend to focus on only certain aspects of the creative stuff and the finishing. But the other side to the creative stuff is what we see Ed and Ollie doing over the first couple of weeks, especially Ed last night.

When you see those turnovers it's easy to focus on the tackler or the one who spoils, but the truth is the Cats got disrupted because blokes like Ed and Hollands did the hard running to close of exit avenues. This type of creative defence can't be under-estimated in value.

Further, the return of Durdin allowed more run across the full game time from Owies, Motlop and Fisher, so we get a compounding effect. Ed and Hollands prepared to work, and the others remaining fresh enough to genuinely assist.
Acres pushed back really hard, and he had a VERY good game last night.

Owies and Durdin work really hard.  Owies the better finisher, but very vanilla (nothing wrong with that).  Durdin way more mercurial, faster and capable of applying more panic pressure. 

They are the better two small forwards at the moment, but it was telling how the forward line lost organisation without JSOS out there speaking of intangibles. 

Also, plus 1 to the coaches for finally dropping Curnow behind the ball in the last few minutes.
"everything you know is wrong"

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Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #63
he acknowledged that and said they will look different in 4 weeks time and again at the end of the year. I heard him talk about the coming season during the PS and he stated they would need to be different to 22 otherwise they will get knocked over. They do have some fair key personnel missing so they can't play structurally they way they would have planned for in the PS, the two losses show that. Apart from his coaches box antics/theatrics, he is one of the football people I like listening to when interviewed. Astute, measured but ruthless (just like he played).
Dirty, arrogant and without humility are the words that come to my mind when talking the Kray brothers...

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #64
Also, plus 1 to the coaches for finally dropping Curnow behind the ball in the last few minutes.
Probably, but in reality it was Scott's moves that freed up Charlie and McKay to become better options. The Cats rolled the dice and it allowed Charlie and McKay some more freedom.

As bizarre as this may seem, I think Ratugolea was perhaps the best defender on the ground last night, I was a bit shocked to see he only took three marks.

Agree about SoJ, his fate is not as cut and dry as many want to think, but he is in that zone. It will be interesting to see what balance Voss can strike, because last night's setup took a much bigger toll on our Mids than Rnd 1, we are lucky we have the extended break. I suspect we will find one of Durdin, Owies or Motlop out to make way for the return of Walsh and Hewett, with one other player and Pitto likely to become part of the starting 22 which might impact SoJ.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #65
Both us and Collingwood have knocked them over with the same game plan and he hadn't been able to find the answers apart from saying it's all ok.
Well we've said before, age does weary them, no matter how long you think you can get away with it age will eventually catch up.

The few they have lost and have out make a huge difference, at the moment they are significantly different to last season.

But at this stage I'm not so bullish about their future, I can't see some of the younger ones bridging the skills / strength gap, they have talent but the physicality the Cats are losing through natural attrition isn't something you can learn. Tuohy, Rowan, Smith, Figjam, Hawkins, Stanley, C.Guthrie, they are all looking a bit old and weary. As I stated last year, they relied on superior skills to retain the footy, and I doubted they could do it long enough to win a flag, but they proved me wrong, this year they are less skilled and older, it's an even bigger problem for them!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #66
Watching the replay of second half Fish was better than how I saw him at the game. Lots of pressure play, yes some silly errors - how TF do we kick into the man on the mark!? - but overall better.

JSOS looked a little sore at one stage - he is important to us and needs to be given some slack. Kid does not stop and keeps at it.

Was concerned we’d run out of legs in the last but they rallied. Was nervous until final 30 seconds, not good for the heart, these games.

With disappointment and close losses, comes learning, resilience and hardened resolve. There was a difference last night and even last week, to end of last year - slight but it’s there 💪🏼
So SOS stays in, Fishers stays in? Who goes out for Walsh and George then? Difficult isn't it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #67
Since Dow and O'brien. ( Roll eyes)

bratblue, you've been a little quiet these past few months. Tutto bene ?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #68
Gov was a major reason behind our success in the first half of season 2022. He has a rare combination of intercept marking, run and adventurous kicking which can open up opposition forward presses. Sure, his marking is rusty at the moment and his decision-making is questionable at times, but both will improve with games under the belt after having little match practice in the preseason. Getting high quality exits out of D50 against a pressure team like the Tigers is pretty much down to Saad and Gov.

Saad was superb. Gov was solid and as you say provided quality d50 exits.

IIRC around a year ago Gov was similar in that he "missed it by that much" (best Maxwell Smart voice). Some of us questioned his eyesight. Eyesight, timing, reaction speed, match/fitness, form. I know not. If that resolves and he can stay fit. He's an important piece of the puzzle.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #69
bratblue, you've been a little quiet these past few months. Tutto bene ?

I hibernate during the off season, generally don't come back here until winter. Nice to see my sparing partner is still around.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #70
I hibernate during the off season, generally don't come back here until winter. Nice to see my sparing partner is still around.

Lol. We only sparred for a short while. Good to have you back.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #71
The only problem with a good win like that on a Thursday night is that it's too long until our next game; the anticipation is killing me!

It was interesting to hear several players talk about the sessions where they analysed what didn't work against the Tigers and set about addressing those areas.

I thought that Cameron was Geelong's only clear winner.  With the exception of his opponents, all of our players won or equalised their positions.  It was an excellent team performance, with several players capping consistent performances with outstanding periods; such as Saad's first half, Crippa's third quarter and Harry's last ten minutes.  Ed turned the clock back with the job he did on Guthrie while having an impact in our forward half.  I loved Charlie's response when he goaled after Ed's pass.  The response to Ed's goal was pretty special too.  He is a heart and soul player and the decision to keep him on for another season looks like paying dividends.

I guess we've answered the question about whether we can play Charlie, Harry, Jack, Tom, Pitto, Crippa, Weiters and Young in the same team ... and why wouldn't you  :)

Jack did take a couple ruck contests, as did Cripps, but I thought that we got much better value from him focusing on his tall  forward role.  He is a smart footballer who can create opportunities for those around him with his positioning and good use of the footy. 

The Owies/Motlop/Durdin combination worked really well and created headaches for the Geelong defence while assisting our defence as required.  Having three small forwards with different bags of tricks is a positive.  I was surprised to see that Motlop wasn't credited with any tackles.  He laid several, including one where Tuohy gave him a forearm to the face.  Perhaps I need to look up the CD definition of tackle  :-\

Weitering was very good on Hawkins and Pitto and De Koning both rucked very well against him.  I imagine that Matty K put a lot of thought into stopping Hawkins getting shots at goal from ruck contests.

Vossy's pressers are always good value, even when we lose.  Scott is always surly when the Cats lose and he seems to go out of his way to find excuses for him and his team.  That said, I thought that he did try to provide relevant responses to some well-directed questions.

Scott's decision to sub Stanley out didn't help their cause.  Pitto and De Koning went to work on Blicavs, Cripps was freed up and Whyte didn't fire a shot.  O'Brien had more impact but I would have preferred Silvagni to have stayed on the ground.

Note to G2C: You can officially add Hollands to the top of our 2-way running power ladder  :)

Go Blues!
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #72
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Note to G2C: You can officially add Hollands to the top of our 2-way running power ladder  :)

Roger that, I noted at one point he had the highest distance covered out of all players on the field. Dunno if he finished up with the highest but he is an impressive lad.
Watching the replay today, I figured out he reminds my of ol mate Hoops in the way he runs and his kicking action.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #73
I thought that Cameron was Geelong's only clear winner.  With the exception of his opponents, all of our players won or equalised their positions. 

Much as it pains me to say it ...but credit where it's due, Cameron was outstanding, and not just with his goalkicking. He worked both ends of the field with his run and picked up a lazy 25 disposals. One passage where he started the play on one side of the ground and ran to the other side to receive was an example of his work ethic.
We probably  would have won easily if he hadn't been there.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #74
Cameron is probably the best player in the comp.
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