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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #150
Spot on LL....said it last week, we're a bottom 6 side at the moment....literally and figuratively speaking.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #151
Fair dinkum, we were good in the first half of the 1st quarter.
Cottrell was excellent.
However, our disposal was still our Achilles' Heal: Charlie kicking into the man on the mark, Owies kicking his set shot on the full, even H after that great pickup, turned the wrong way and his snap missed.

However, who was playing on Blakey? He just ran around without a man far too often.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #152
Fair dinkum, we were bad in the last seven minutes of the 1st quarter.
Can we buy a free kick?
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #153
My wife gets annoyed with me when I watch Carlton play on TV. She is usually in another room and hears my shouting, swearing and hitting of things. I am actually good when I am at the ground as I can see what is going to happen and I am mentally prepared for the stuff ups and don't get quite as angry. Last Friday she sat with me and we watched the game together and I was on my best behavior. Her observations were that our disposal is terrible, there doesn't seem to be a game plan, our players didn't seem to try and they gave up. She now has some awareness of my frustration and things are a little more harmonious.
Cerra, Hewitt, Newman and Holands won't be playing this week, Durdin is not getting any where near the ball and should be dropped, and I can't see any future in McGovern or Ed Curnow. I think is is time Carlton made a big statement about itself but I don't think they will. It is all way too comfortable at Princess Park as everybody is working hard to find positives, checking their KPI's and ignoring the outcomes.
I think we have a very good list. I think we lack a little bit of leg speed but I don't think that is the issue. I think the problem is that we don't hit targets with foot or hand, and if you can't kick the ball to a team mate then there is no game plan, we make bad decisions, we don't trust our team mates that they will make good decisions and actually implement them therefore there is no run. If we don't win the contested ball we can't defend it and we are one dimensional when we go forward. I also think that Cripps and McKay have hands like concrete which indicate both a lack of confidence and also trying to hard.I watched a movie last week called 'The Merger' and the Coach of the town's mythical football team had the mantra, "If you are crap at something, keep practicing until you are less crap"which is something for our players to ponder.
As I have indicated I think there should be seven changes with Silvagni, Dow, Fogarty, Fisher, Cowan, Young and Binns to be brought in with Binns the emergency. If you keep doing the same thing then you shouldn't expect a different outcome. Einstein said was the definition of insanity, I think is is the definition of stupidity.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #154
My wife gets annoyed with me when I watch Carlton play on TV. She is usually in another room and hears my shouting, swearing and hitting of things. I am actually good when I am at the ground as I can see what is going to happen and I am mentally prepared for the stuff ups and don't get quite as angry. Last Friday she sat with me and we watched the game together and I was on my best behavior. Her observations were that our disposal is terrible, there doesn't seem to be a game plan, our players didn't seem to try and they gave up. She now has some awareness of my frustration and things are a little more harmonious.
Cerra, Hewitt, Newman and Holands won't be playing this week, Durdin is not getting any where near the ball and should be dropped, and I can't see any future in McGovern or Ed Curnow. I think is is time Carlton made a big statement about itself but I don't think they will. It is all way too comfortable at Princess Park as everybody is working hard to find positives, checking their KPI's and ignoring the outcomes.
I think we have a very good list. I think we lack a little bit of leg speed but I don't think that is the issue. I think the problem is that we don't hit targets with foot or hand, and if you can't kick the ball to a team mate then there is no game plan, we make bad decisions, we don't trust our team mates that they will make good decisions and actually implement them therefore there is no run. If we don't win the contested ball we can't defend it and we are one dimensional when we go forward. I also think that Cripps and McKay have hands like concrete which indicate both a lack of confidence and also trying to hard.I watched a movie last week called 'The Merger' and the Coach of the town's mythical football team had the mantra, "If you are crap at something, keep practicing until you are less crap"which is something for our players to ponder.
As I have indicated I think there should be seven changes with Silvagni, Dow, Fogarty, Fisher, Cowan, Young and Binns to be brought in with Binns the emergency. If you keep doing the same thing then you shouldn't expect a different outcome. Einstein said was the definition of insanity, I think is is the definition of stupidity.
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2018-Wooden Spoon
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2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT98UTODOOs

Get M.Lloyd down to the club now and lets get Harry sorted, dont need to drop him just get his technique sorted.
Its of major importance, this is affecting the whole team and has gone on for too long and we need it actioned because what ever is happening at training isnt working on game day.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #156
My wife gets annoyed with me when I watch Carlton play on TV. She is usually in another room and hears my shouting, swearing and hitting of things. I am actually good when I am at the ground as I can see what is going to happen and I am mentally prepared for the stuff ups and don't get quite as angry. Last Friday she sat with me and we watched the game together and I was on my best behavior. Her observations were that our disposal is terrible, there doesn't seem to be a game plan, our players didn't seem to try and they gave up. She now has some awareness of my frustration and things are a little more harmonious.
Cerra, Hewitt, Newman and Holands won't be playing this week, Durdin is not getting any where near the ball and should be dropped, and I can't see any future in McGovern or Ed Curnow. I think is is time Carlton made a big statement about itself but I don't think they will. It is all way too comfortable at Princess Park as everybody is working hard to find positives, checking their KPI's and ignoring the outcomes.
I think we have a very good list. I think we lack a little bit of leg speed but I don't think that is the issue. I think the problem is that we don't hit targets with foot or hand, and if you can't kick the ball to a team mate then there is no game plan, we make bad decisions, we don't trust our team mates that they will make good decisions and actually implement them therefore there is no run. If we don't win the contested ball we can't defend it and we are one dimensional when we go forward. I also think that Cripps and McKay have hands like concrete which indicate both a lack of confidence and also trying to hard.I watched a movie last week called 'The Merger' and the Coach of the town's mythical football team had the mantra, "If you are crap at something, keep practicing until you are less crap"which is something for our players to ponder.
As I have indicated I think there should be seven changes with Silvagni, Dow, Fogarty, Fisher, Cowan, Young and Binns to be brought in with Binns the emergency. If you keep doing the same thing then you shouldn't expect a different outcome. Einstein said was the definition of insanity, I think is is the definition of stupidity.

Great post

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT98UTODOOs

Get M.Lloyd down to the club now and lets get Harry sorted, dont need to drop him just get his technique sorted.
Its of major importance, this is affecting the whole team and has gone on for too long and we need it actioned because what ever is happening at training isnt working on game day.

..and highlights why assistants should go before the coach as he is the leader of men and strategy.. but if assistants aren't doing their bit it makes it hard for the coach to implement the strategy.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT98UTODOOs

Get M.Lloyd down to the club now and lets get Harry sorted, dont need to drop him just get his technique sorted.
Its of major importance, this is affecting the whole team and has gone on for too long and we need it actioned because what ever is happening at training isnt working on game day.

Thing is EB what he explained was not any thing remarkable more just basic U16s stuff about holding the ball straight and aim directly to the middle of the goals. If our club needs that explanation to get Harry’s routine correct our club is stuffed.  I beloved Harry’s issue is predominately between his ears. The guy has lost all confidence and once he sprayed too many on the snap and the media and supporters applied the heat he now is second guessing himself looks lost and confused whether to snap or go the drop punt especially in that 35-50m range. I feel for him and despite being frustrated must be an awful spot with so much pressure on him every time he lines up.

To be a successful goal kicker it helps if you have a level of arrogance, cockiness and strong belief in your ability. Anything less and you become fickle. Then if you miss the first couple early in a game nerves take over your routine which affect the outcome.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #159
My wife gets annoyed with me when I watch Carlton play on TV. She is usually in another room and hears my shouting, swearing and hitting of things. I am actually good when I am at the ground as I can see what is going to happen and I am mentally prepared for the stuff ups and don't get quite as angry. Last Friday she sat with me and we watched the game together and I was on my best behavior. Her observations were that our disposal is terrible, there doesn't seem to be a game plan, our players didn't seem to try and they gave up. She now has some awareness of my frustration and things are a little more harmonious.
Cerra, Hewitt, Newman and Holands won't be playing this week, Durdin is not getting any where near the ball and should be dropped, and I can't see any future in McGovern or Ed Curnow. I think is is time Carlton made a big statement about itself but I don't think they will. It is all way too comfortable at Princess Park as everybody is working hard to find positives, checking their KPI's and ignoring the outcomes.
I think we have a very good list. I think we lack a little bit of leg speed but I don't think that is the issue. I think the problem is that we don't hit targets with foot or hand, and if you can't kick the ball to a team mate then there is no game plan, we make bad decisions, we don't trust our team mates that they will make good decisions and actually implement them therefore there is no run. If we don't win the contested ball we can't defend it and we are one dimensional when we go forward. I also think that Cripps and McKay have hands like concrete which indicate both a lack of confidence and also trying to hard.I watched a movie last week called 'The Merger' and the Coach of the town's mythical football team had the mantra, "If you are crap at something, keep practicing until you are less crap"which is something for our players to ponder.
As I have indicated I think there should be seven changes with Silvagni, Dow, Fogarty, Fisher, Cowan, Young and Binns to be brought in with Binns the emergency. If you keep doing the same thing then you shouldn't expect a different outcome. Einstein said was the definition of insanity, I think is is the definition of stupidity.

I enjoyed reading your post , but there is a contradiction.

You say that you think we have a very good list, and then you continue on to say the problem is that we don't hit targets by foot or by hand and then you list the further problems caused by those basic mistakes.

The current and previous lists have presented all of our recent coaches with the problem of their inability to carry out the very basic skills. It is the reason why we once again have another failed year looming.

A recent post included a quote from Paul Roos made in 2014 and it goes to the heart of Carlton's problem right now:

'If you have got an inability to hit targets, its really hard to implement a game plan because you just can't execute the most basic skills'.

It just shows that if we continue taking the easy route of sacking  coaches  without addressing the inherent problem of the  list then we will most likely continue to be bottom feeders.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #160
Our poor kicking is definitely a problem as we haven’t been able to put scoreboard pressure on all year. It also seems obvious that the spark has gone out . Maybe the club isn’t a place of mateship or fun to be at and the grind has set in. Only has to be gone 5% and we will fall away quickly.
I don’t know but if the guys who came through the tough years see a bloke who went through that with them, wanted to stay with them and honour his contract trying his guts out each week in the reserves getting 40 possessions but not even being given a sniff when injuries arise. Maybe they see the way he is unfairly treated by the coaching staff and and a little bit of resentment kicks in enough to take the edge of the all for one in it together attitude.  Doesn’t take long for to drop off enough for small losses not intentionally just mentally. Same thing with Silvagni being thrown to the wolves in the ruck and stuffing up his forward game. He gives his heart and soul to the club but his game is being slowly stuffed by rucking.
Looking forward to lots of forced changes this week might be just what we need some fresh faces who have been given a chance with nothing to lose

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #161
Thing is EB what he explained was not any thing remarkable more just basic U16s stuff about holding the ball straight and aim directly to the middle of the goals. If our club needs that explanation to get Harry’s routine correct our club is stuffed.  I beloved Harry’s issue is predominately between his ears. The guy has lost all confidence and once he sprayed too many on the snap and the media and supporters applied the heat he now is second guessing himself looks lost and confused whether to snap or go the drop punt especially in that 35-50m range. I feel for him and despite being frustrated must be an awful spot with so much pressure on him every time he lines up.

To be a successful goal kicker it helps if you have a level of arrogance, cockiness and strong belief in your ability. Anything less and you become fickle. Then if you miss the first couple early in a game nerves take over your routine which affect the outcome.
Shawny, just been watching his brother play for Nth. Going about as well as Harry, outmarked by smaller players who just shove him out of the way and looks about as interested in defending as Harry does in kicking for goal.
No way would I want Ben based on what I saw today.
Often with goalkicking it is the simple things that get over looked and affect kicking, Harry does run in at angles and try and drag the ball back trying to compensate for not being in line and this is why he cant kick straight drop punts at times.
What ever he has been doing and with who isnt working and he needs a new plan and a new goalkicking coach and to settle on a routine.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #162
Shawny, just been watching his brother play for Nth. Going about as well as Harry, outmarked by smaller players who just shove him out of the way and looks about as interested in defending as Harry does in kicking for goal.
No way would I want Ben based on what I saw today.

 








Often with goalkicking it is the simple things that get over looked and affect kicking, Harry does run in at angles and try and drag the ball back trying to compensate for not being in line and this is why he cant kick straight drop punts at times.
What ever he has been doing and with who isnt working and he needs a new plan and a new goalkicking coach and to settle on a routine.

Good to get some information on Harry's brother.

As for Harry, if he did not have  a set routine when kicking for goal at the time of being drafted and still does not have one after eight years as a forward, then I doubt  he will ever learn.


Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #163
Good to get some information on Harry's brother.

As for Harry, if he did not have  a set routine when kicking for goal at the time of being drafted and still does not have one after eight years as a forward, then I doubt  he will ever learn.


We had a specialist kicking coach (Sav Rocca), we sacked him to cut costs. I say fark off one of the other spuds and get him or a better one back at the club. Didn't StK just dump the ex Hawks kicking guru (forgot his name)?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #164
Given H's salary, you would think he would have enough initiative to hire his own coach if he really wanted to improve.