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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #135 –
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Weren't many fans outraged because Williams got suspended for a midfield hip and shoulder during pre-season?
Probably tripped over into the player and filled his shorts in the aftermath. The quicker we offload this goat the better.
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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #136 –
Don't trust me, just watch:

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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Zac+williams%2C+skills+and+highlights#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:43dd525d,vid:02TOOZdo5aA,st:0

Those are the highlights.  Even some of his mongrels are at worst hitting teamates.  He bites off difficult kicks, and hits targets.  You know, against brisbane we moaned about high lofty looping kicks.  This guy goes the worm burner, or kick to advantage.
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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #137 –
Zac Williams is a definite starter when fit.

Much like Martin that got continuity. He is renown finals performer at the Giants.

6 tackles + 10 clearances in a prelim https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/1956#player-stats
Was one of the best against Brisbane in semi final https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/1954#player-stats

His history at Giants proves he is a big game player. Just needs to get his body right and give us some of his best.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #138 –
Watching AFL360. Saw Charlie was only targeted 1,1 and 4 times over the 3 weeks. Then they possible showed why. He was asking for the ball or running to wrong spots. Leading back into space and asking the kicker to kick it to him over the top sounded ok, except he was asking for it to kicked 60m to him. Other times he was asking them to kick it to impossible spots. Explains why he was often out of position. He'll learn alot about from finals series and develop more nous. If he develops that real nous and he'll near kick 100.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Probably tripped over into the player and filled his shorts in the aftermath. The quicker we offload this goat the better.

Seriously flying solo here G2C.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #140 –
Quote from: northernblue on
Seriously flying solo here G2C.
I'm not sold on ZW either and understand GTCs concerns , Zac needs to earn his spot and isn't an automatic imo.
The midfield role was a fail so he has force someone out down back and prove himself. Having a big contract doesnt mean you automatically oust blue collar workers like Cincotta, Boyd etc who had to work to get their spots.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Don't trust me, just watch:

Those are the highlights.  Even some of his mongrels are at worst hitting teamates.  He bites off difficult kicks, and hits targets.  You know, against brisbane we moaned about high lofty looping kicks.  This guy goes the worm burner, or kick to advantage.

Pretty hard to argue with that!
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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #142 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
I'm not sold on ZW either and understand GTCs concerns , Zac needs to earn his spot and isn't an automatic imo.
The midfield role was a fail so he has force someone out down back and prove himself. Having a big contract doesnt mean you automatically oust blue collar workers like Cincotta, Boyd etc who had to work to get their spots.

I understand your concerns, to a point.
I seriously don’t understand the level of vitriol expressed by some.
ZW’s issues have been injury and subsequently fitness related not skill related, let alone questioning his ticker…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #143 –
Quote from: northernblue on
ZW’s issues have been injury and subsequently fitness related not skill related, let alone questioning his ticker…
Agreed, Williams is fine, much like Marchbank he just needs a run of luck, he has already had enough bad luck for a lifetime.

Instead of throwing rocks at him fans should be lifting him up, the same applies to the whole team.

We(the fans) can carry the team to a flag, and we can trample the naysayers in the process!
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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #144 –
Quote from: northernblue on
I understand your concerns, to a point.
I seriously don’t understand the level of vitriol expressed by some.
ZW’s issues have been injury and subsequently fitness related not skill related, let alone questioning his ticker…
I never really watched many GWS games unless they were vs us so I dont have much of a sample size to work with apart from the few times he has turned out for us and thats been in the main underwhelming. There is more scrutiny on him and the bar is higher because of the money he is on and the expectations that come with that, thats just how it works in pro sport.
He seems a nice enough bloke and has done it tough in his early years and lost his sister so I wish him well but he isnt an automatic selection and given his injury history needs some runs on the board in the twos' much like Marchbank had to go through, then earn his way into the team and I think it would be better for him doing it that way.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #145 –
Watched a fair bit of the Giants back then and he was a gun. Fit and firing he could have made the difference last week.
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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #146 –
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Watched a fair bit of the Giants back then and he was a gun. Fit and firing he could have made the difference last week.
Fair enough....Where would you play him and who would he replace?.....

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #147 –
We seriously lack back-half run - Williams can provide that in spades.....
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?
 

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #148 –
Williams has been in the system 11 seasons and played 136 games. If people aren't convinced about him given that extensive body of work, then even an additional 100 games won't make a jot of difference. He has played some great footy, has a nice bag of tricks and would be ahead of Marchbank and Cincotta at a minimum.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #149 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
I never really watched many GWS games unless they were vs us so I dont have much of a sample size to work with apart from the few times he has turned out for us and thats been in the main underwhelming. There is more scrutiny on him and the bar is higher because of the money he is on and the expectations that come with that, thats just how it works in pro sport.
He seems a nice enough bloke and has done it tough in his early years and lost his sister so I wish him well but he isnt an automatic selection and given his injury history needs some runs on the board in the twos' much like Marchbank had to go through, then earn his way into the team and I think it would be better for him doing it that way.


I disagree, once hes on the list hes on the list.
Then its performance, preferably on the field, attitude to training, playing and rehab then performance off the field.
No one is guaranteed a game in theory, though i agree that a "big name" will get more opportunity typically.
ZW played some good footy for us... off hb.
Let’s go BIG !