Carlton Supporters Club

No doubt plenty on here think Setterfield is a waste of space, but if you look at his opportunities, injuries, coach shenanigans etc. it's not a great development environment, by any measure.

Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.

But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!

Early this season the improvement in LoB and Setterfield was palpable, they were running deep from D50 to F50 and it wasn't really until the opposition started putting pressure on the rest of our list with run and spread that fans then returned to whipping the old favourites in LoB, Plowman and Setterfield.

But primarily, we've lost a lot of run at various times, either due to injury or selection, and it's exerted a cost on the whole team. It doesn't take much of a change, just a player or two not carrying their weight, and the whole squad suffers. Fans don't get it, they rarely see it because most fans ball watch, and those watching on TV can't see it anyway!

FMD generalise much?

Lob has improved, Setterfield hasnt and his weaknesses are still his weaknesses and Plowman is a turnover merchant when the heat is on and while I have appreciated the dirty jobs he has copped in the past I think its time to put some faith in younger players like Kemp who have better skills and play them ahead of Plowman who probably is getting close to his use by date.
I thinks Fans do get it and want better because we now have a better list and need to keep tweaking it to make a top 4 sustainable list and that means players like Setterfield and Plowman are now redundant.

Couldn't agree more, EB1.

Sadly, when the heat in the kitchen is full-on, these two just cannot be relied upon. Kemp and Stocker in a heartbeat.

Im not against rewarding form, but have you ever seen Setterfield do something (anything) and go thats why he gets a game?

I said similar about Boyd earlier in the season, but that was after his first AFL game, where he stunk it up.  Thats not unusual company to be in, given Kade Simpson and even Joel Selwoods debut where the numbers werent high, the clanger count was, but some players are worth persevering with.

Through sheer lack of other options, Setters passed 50 games as an AFL player this year, and whilst I am unsure what role he can play (like you say) I don't even know what he does well aside from be tall...

Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.

I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.

Thats been my main gripe all seasons some players go missing when the heat is on and depend on too few to crack in.

I personally dont think flaky players have much of a future under a Voss and co led team.

With Kennedy out do we bring Dow in or just move Setterfield into the middle and bring in Martin?