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Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #120 –
Forgot to say, our entry into the forward 50 was appalling all night, we made it very hard for ourselves and played into May's hands as a result.

Vossy & Co need to address that issue and properly, Lions are beatable if we are on song.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #121 –
Quote from: LordLucifer on
Forgot to say, our entry into the forward 50 was appalling all night, we made it very hard for ourselves and played into May's hands as a result.

Vossy & Co need to address that issue and properly, Lions are beatable if we are on song.

I don't think so.

Lever and Tomlinson didn't really have to worry about opponents for much of the game and that allowed them to double and triple team Charlie and intercept at will.  Later in the game, May was able to take advantage of that and mark nearly everything that came his way.  It would have been a very different story with Harry and either of the Jacks in our forward line.

Many of our kicks into the forward 50 were precise and gave our forwards every opportunity; you couldn't get much better than Cripps to De Koning, Newman to Motlop, Cerra to Kennedy for Walsh to goal, Fogarty to Curnow, Cripps to Kennedy, Marchbank to Acres, Kennedy to Owies and Docherty to Acres. 

Melbourne had five goal assists to our ten and three of those five were handpasses.  Most of Melbourne's goals came from kicks to contests and scrambling ground ball gets.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #122 –
I have watched the last couple of minutes several times now - and with all of the different commentaries  :)  - and Weitering's decision to go across the ground to Hollands is critical.  Earlier in the season, I'm sure that Weitering would have gone down the line where Gawn and a couple of his buddies had an outnumber.  They win possession and it's game over.

Hollands could have gone down the corridor where Melbourne again had an outnumber.  The kick to Docherty left the Melbourne players out of position and out of gas.  Fritsch was able to go with McGovern but Acres had burnt off his opponent.  Kemp's opponent was nowhere to be seen and De Koning was free too.

And speaking of De Koning, how good was he to gather that ground ball and kick it to Kennedy for the last score?

It was a scrappy game with both sides making uncharacteristic errors, but that's the pressure of a close-fought final.

A final word about Sammy Walsh.  His form has been building all season after a relatively slow start but he took it to another level on Friday night with one of the best all round performances I have seen.  That is why there's really no comparison between him and Butters and Rozee.  Sure, they're good players, but they couldn't get close to what Sammy produced on Friday night.  
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #123 –
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How stiff was Marchbank to be penalised for a near perfect tackle on Smith?

Smith bent his knees and dropped his shoulder in the best Joel Selwood style and Marchy’s arm just crept over the top of his shoulder.

“BALL!”
The commentators were unanimous too. Saying it was a bloody free kick. Joel Smith learning from his namesake, Selwood or something. Richo and BT having forward player bias or something? WTF???

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #124 –
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Pickett was responsible for a lot of that dog act stuff and our players did well to stay disciplined, when you look back at the undisciplined stuff Melb did it probably cost them 3-4 goals and the match. Gawn will get the blame for touching that ball through that should have been a goal and losing Melb the game but it was Pickett imo who cost them the game with some of his early dirty work and justice was done.

Pickett wanted to be the hero when he had that low percentage shot on goal which hit the post in the last, Petracca was screaming for it and there were 2 Melbourne players running towards goal 20m  free.......selfish act.

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #125 –
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-news-afl360-dermott-brereton-questions-melbourne-demons-max-gawn-brayden-maynard-hit-on-angus-brayshaw-semi-final-against-carlton-blues/news-story/4a1fce93b5cf98aab804dde8ff0f4ad6

Now we know why the Dees decided to be so physical in that first quarter.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #126 –
Melbourne's issue for a long while has been bad kicking for goal. The rest of their game is in pretty good order. Nothing to do with toughness. They should be smart enough not to be baited by Dermie's nonsense, but it seems not.

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #127 –
Quote from: laj on
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1432284/afl-sf-sounds-of-acres-match-winning-goal?videoId=1432284&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1694837062001&fbclid=IwAR0-tuX0lJ6LtFX3tyFvKtyHIHxaE_NTV_eVh02JuAn_oM1zNqgdN-tlK4Y

OMG, goosebumps for the entire 4 mins.

If you were not at the game and just watching on TV, the highlights just do not do that moment justice.
x100 times and your getting close

From where i was sitting, Q24, Doc's mark looked way more difficult than it was as the Melbourne player looked to be in front of him, and I thought oh no Melbourne was going to mark it or it would be a spoil and possibly a ball up.
It was such a superbly jugged mark.
 

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #128 –
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The decision to include Josh Schache as the sub after only two senior games this season appeared to backfire when the former Bulldog was not used, with Carlton sub Ollie Hollands making a significant impact with his outside run when he entered the game in the final quarter.

Fox Footy’s Garry Lyon described the call as “curious” while Jordan Lewis suggested Schache had potentially been included as injury cover for Max Gawn.

Goodwin confirmed as much post-game, telling reporters his inclusion had been necessary to cover for Gawn, who he confirmed had broken his big toe in the qualifying final.

“(Gawn) was never in doubt, he trained fully, but when you take one ruckman in … he had a broken big toe, but it was something he trained with all week and played with tonight,” he said.

“We just needed some coverage with our talls to make sure we could get through the game.”

The coach said he would meet with Brodie Grundy next week for a “really good conversation” about his impending departure from the club, while he said the Demons would again look at attracting players from other clubs to improve their list.

Gotta love Goodwin and his off the beam selection ideas, thanks Simon, enjoy the off-season now.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #129 –
Quote from: LordLucifer on
Gotta love Goodwin and his off the beam selection ideas, thanks Simon, enjoy the off-season now.

That was a shocking decision making Schache the sub and Goodwin really has lost the plot recently with some of his strategies and ideas. Recruiting Grundy has been another disaster and I cant see Goodwin lasting if he continues with these contrarian ideas.

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #130 –
If Grundy played they probably would have beat us. Gawn was broken last week and we finished him off.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #131 –
Listening to Goodwin's press conference, Gawn had a broken toe and Van Rooyen was suspended, so the idea with Schache was to provide coverage just in case Gawn or another tall couldn't last the game. There must be a bit of rolling the dice no matter who ends up as the sub. It doesn't sound like an unreasonable decision IMO. They were clearly conscious of going too tall to begin with, but I think their real issues lie elsewhere.

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #132 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Listening to Goodwin's press conference, Gawn had a broken toe and Van Rooyen was suspended, so the idea with Schache was to provide coverage just in case Gawn or another tall couldn't last the game. There must be a bit of rolling the dice no matter who ends up as the sub. It doesn't sound like an unreasonable decision IMO. They were clearly conscious of going too tall to begin with, but I think their real issues lie elsewhere.

Thats a flaw in logic.

You get the coverage in the team first. Use that to give Gawn a chopout and if everything is going to plan, then you simply sub out a tall for extra run late.
You do NOT do it the other way.
What happens if you get an injury to a small early on....then you are extra tall with no relief in site.

I'm not a fan of 2 rucks (and 2 key forwards) but i'd still pick that every day of the week instead of 1 ruck, 2 key forwards and a tall as the sub....thats stupidity.

Re: AFL 1st Semi Final Carlton vs Melbourne Post Game Prognostications

Reply #133 –
Sorry, it is long and behind a paywall, but well worth the read!!

Craig O'Donoghue - Carlton’s Patrick Cripps, Blake Acres and Sam Docherty prove what real toughness is about: thewest.com.au/sport/afl/crai…

There’s a massive difference between acting tough and being tough when it comes to playing Australian Rules football.

Carlton  wingman Blake Acres, captain Patrick Cripps and former skipper Sam  Docherty produced shining examples of what real footy toughness is  during Friday night’s cut throat semi final win over Melbourne at the  MCG as too many Demons wasted time being fake tough.

Acres  is playing with a shoulder injury, everyone knows it and everyone knows  he’s in pain. But by playing tough footy, he made himself a Carlton  hero.

When  Lachie Hunter tackled him to the ground early in the first quarter,  Acres landed on his shoulder and it was obvious that it hurt. But he got  back up.

Less  than 40 seconds later, Adam Tomlinson shoved Acres into the path of  Christian Salem. The Blue lost his balance and crashed to the turf. He  was visibly shaken. But he got back up.

Alex  Neal-Bullen tried to rattle Acres by constantly bumping, nudging or  pushing him in the shoulder. But Acres kept focusing on the footy.

And  with one minute and 52 seconds left in the game, Acres made a crucial  decision to run back with the flight of the ball and jump into Jake  Lever’s path to deny the Demon the chance to attempt an intercept mark.  Carlton trailed by five points and that ball simply had to come to  ground.

Acres  didn’t have to put his injured body on the line. Nobody would have  noticed if he’d jogged to be front and square instead of pushing harder  to get to that contest. But he chose to put his body on the line for  very little reward. That’s real toughness.

“Premierships aren’t won by acting tough. Premierships are won by being tough.  Melbourne should spend the summer remembering that.”

Then  he drifted forward the goal square where he marked a kick from Docherty  and kicked the match winning goal. Docherty’s toughness was amazing. He  dislocated his left shoulder shortly before half-time but got up and  played out the game. Without Docherty and Acres, the Blues wouldn’t have  won.

That’s courage. That’s being footy tough.

What’s  not being footy tough is Kysaiah Pickett jumper punching Mitch McGovern  in the opening minutes of the first quarter. Joel Smith had just taken a  mark and was lining up for goal from about 25m out on a slight angle. 

Remember, Melbourne lost by two points. The umpire reversed the kick,  costing the Dees that crucial shot for goal.

Pickett received a $1500 fine for that bit of fake toughness He’s lucky that wasn’t a suspension. But he wasn’t done. Pickett also chose to bump Cripps to the head in the second term.

He  didn’t need to make contact, but he couldn’t help himself. Everyone  knew Cripps was carrying sore ribs and that made him a target. Cripps  left the field under the blood rule but returned and had 27 possessions,  nine clearances and six tackles. That’s real toughness.

Pickett has been offered a one-match ban for his fake toughness on the Carlton captain.

It’s  not the first time Pickett has tried to be fake tough this year. He  launched himself like a missile into Bailey Smith in the opening round  in a horrible example of what the AFL is trying to stamp out of the  game.

He copped a two-game ban for that. It could have been more. Clearly he didn’t learn his lesson.

Tom  Sparrow decided to be fake tough too late on Friday night too. With  4:53 remaining and Melbourne leading by three points, Sparrow shoved  Adam Cerra to ground as he crossed the boundary line.

It wasn’t necessary but also wasn’t a free kick, which led to Sam Walsh confronting him.

Sparrow’s response was to grab Walsh by the jumper and throw him head-first into the fence. That’s fake tough.

Melbourne should have been setting up for a boundary throw in where Max Gawn could have exerted his authority over the contest. Instead, Walsh took the free kick and the Blues went forward. The AFL has fined Sparrow for that incident and he should be extremely thankful he’s not missing round one.

Any D-Grade suburban footballer can hand out jumper punches, late high bumps or throw someone into a fence. Fake toughness is everywhere at that level. More is expected when you’re playing in an AFL final.

Without disrespecting Acres, he wasn’t known as one of the AFL’s hard men at St Kilda or Fremantle. But he’s ignored pain and injury to kick the winning goals in consecutive finals for Carlton. He’s become a navy Blue hero. No matter what else he achieves in his career, he’ll now be lauded for being tough.

Finals bravado often leads to fake toughness. But it rarely works.

Premierships aren’t won by acting tough. Premierships are won by being tough.

Melbourne should spend the summer remembering that.