Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

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Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #60 – August 09, 2020, 10:44:38 pm

Quote from: capcom on August 09, 2020, 10:37:35 pm

I'm having some real doubts about him.

Obviously this is a season unlike others.
But we seem to be at a stage where we lack size and strength.
Our bigger players are still often beaten in physical contests.
The bigger guys also seem to have a fair share of injuries.
We're surrendering leads on a regular basis.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #61 – August 09, 2020, 10:57:06 pm

Quote from: Lods on August 09, 2020, 10:44:38 pm

Obviously this is a season unlike others.
But we seem to be at a stage where we lack size and strength.
Our bigger players are still often beaten in physical contests.
The bigger guys also seem to have a fair share of injuries.
We're surrendering leads on a regular basis.

I commented on our size today to my daughter at the end of the game when Murph and Shuey where talking, the difference in mass between the two was very noticable (arms/biceps, shoulders neck).
Having said that, I think its a little hard to blame Russell for injuries that occur during games, these are gonna happen (eg Martin). Even the chandeliers like Marchbank, Charlie, Cunningham etc, Russell is widely regarded as the best in the business yet...

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #62 – August 09, 2020, 11:02:05 pm

WC 23rd player today was #22 Nathan Williams. According to BT that is.

FWIW He began his career in Mandurah, just south of Perth, aged 12yrs. He became a regular WAFL umpire.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #63 – August 09, 2020, 11:33:22 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on August 09, 2020, 10:57:06 pm

I commented on our size today to my daughter at the end of the game when Murph and Shuey where talking, the difference in mass between the two was very noticable (arms/biceps, shoulders neck).
Having said that, I think its a little hard to blame Russell for injuries that occur during games, these are gonna happen (eg Martin). Even the chandeliers like Marchbank, Charlie, Cunningham etc, Russell is widely regarded as the best in the business yet...

We have a very good record for destroying the reputations of some of the 'best in the business'

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #64 – August 10, 2020, 08:23:42 am

Teague's a nice talker in his post match pressers, getting better week by week.

You can tell from the way he speaks that he is for the players and the club, it's not just lip service like some, he really means it!

Glad he hasn't bought into the umpiring shizen.

While I bang on about Clarkson, Dimma and Scott, I don't want our bloke doing the same but rather I want Scott, Clarkson and Dimma fined into AFL oblivion. Mind you, I hope Teague's diplomatic approach doesn't mean we(The Club) aren't seeking clarification through official channels, and I'd be happy for Teague to parrot the "AFL's Official Response" to any clarification request in a presser, without necessarily bagging umpires or individual decisions. The problems that I see are the AFL's faceless men and the overtly manipulative coaches.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #65 – August 10, 2020, 08:38:58 am

If the reported tackles inside F50 are as above, this must be called out to all and sundry. If it's not blatant umpiring bias, it's sanctioned cheating and we're all over it. All us fans want is consistency and a level playing field. Is that unreasonable in "sport"?

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #66 – August 10, 2020, 09:02:17 am

Quote from: LP on August 10, 2020, 08:23:42 am

Teague's a nice talker in his post match pressers, getting better week by week.

You can tell from the way he speaks that he is for the players and the club, it's not just lip service like some, he really means it!

Glad he hasn't bought into the umpiring shizen.

While I bang on about Clarkson, Dimma and Scott, I don't want our bloke doing the same but rather I want Scott, Clarkson and Dimma fined into AFL oblivion. Mind you, I hope Teague's diplomatic approach doesn't mean we(The Club) aren't seeking clarification through official channels, and I'd be happy for Teague to parrot the "AFL's Official Response" to any clarification request in a presser, without necessarily bagging umpires or individual decisions. The problems that I see are the AFL's faceless men and the overtly manipulative coaches.

It’s a Teague directive that we don’t go back and put it on opposition players who make a mistake, just celebrate our success from the blunder. Also, many are having a crack at Plowman for his reaction to the 50 meter penalty, but again that’s the Teague way. If that’s the culture we are promoting, I’m fine with that. Reflects Teague’s playing era, courageous, non compromising but fair.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #67 – August 10, 2020, 09:07:47 am

Quote from: laj on August 09, 2020, 09:24:07 pm

We had 17 F50 tackles, no frees. Eagles 5 F50 tackles for 3 frees and 2 goals.

I nearly fell through my clacker when I read that stat. The club should demand a 'please explain'. That is beyond a statistical anomaly... that is simply shocking. I wouldn't mind betting that behind the scenes there is a fair bit going on.

Like to see umpire 22s report sheet including frees paid that shouldn't have been, frees not paid that should have been, 50/50 decisions and which way they went and where all the frees and non-frees took place.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #68 – August 10, 2020, 09:31:25 am

So, im just going to say the following.

Why do we have to play PERFECT football when our opponents can hold and scrag illegally, mark intefere, drop the footy, tackle before we have even taken posession of the footy, and its play on, or ball up.

Daisy called a few out yesterday. That second goal West Coast were given was for a non existant holding the ball on SPS, and a phantom 50 metre penalty to put Darling directly in front.

I still dont know what that entire passage of play was for. They didnt replay it, and the commentators actually pointed out the differences for once. Daisy agreed with SPS second holding the ball, but fork me he picked the ball up, and stepped backwards and then was wrapped up from behind before he could do anything.

Levi gets two hands in the back, play on. In a ruck contest, his opponent wraps his arms round him, whilst he pushes off his chest, and its a illegal hold against Levi...

I am sick to death of this crap. 21 vs 18 every week, and they gave us the rub of the green for one quarter against Clarko last week, before reverting to punishing us at every opportunity.

West Coasts 5 goal run on?

Dropping the ball out of the centre.
Illegal blocking out of the centre.
Plowman tackled off the ball by Darling (cant drag him to ground and call it a shepherd).
liam Ryan drops the ball to advantage (should have been holding the ball).

Theres your 4 goal run on. Argue with me if you want to, but when the opposition are gifted the league, you cant ask us to take it back every week. Its pathetic.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #69 – August 10, 2020, 09:42:52 am

Afl
10 v 18 tackles i50

18 of 77 tackles i50 is a great sign of our pressure, and we won i50 count and turnovers. CP 120 v 116. We did a lot right.
9 v 3 marks i50 hurts. Not surprising given fwd stocks v premiership backs

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #70 – August 10, 2020, 10:16:53 am

Quote from: LoveNavy on August 10, 2020, 09:42:52 am

Afl
10 v 18 tackles i50

18 of 77 tackles i50 is a great sign of our pressure, and we won i50 count and turnovers. CP 120 v 116. We did a lot right.
9 v 3 marks i50 hurts. Not surprising given fwd stocks v premiership backs

Watching the game and not looking at stats, we were getting it in time after time without taking a mark or getting reward. They seemed to mark it every time it went in (especially that run of 5 goals unanswered). Again, dont want to be negative but that 14 out of 21 games now we have allowed a 5 goal run, this one single thing is driving me nuts. And it happens vs the top teams and bottom teams. Forget umpires, forget injuries, forget youth, we have rectified alot of things but this one we havent and we could easily be 6-4 instead of 4-6, extremely costly.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #71 – August 10, 2020, 10:36:17 am

Types like SPS, Murphy, Plowman etc are watched under a microscope each week while others especially the bang and crash types are given a pass and BS excuses when they are not performing to expected levels.

Cripps is our captain and we all know how hard he is but the fact is he shirked a marking contest 10 metres out and still never kicks a easy 30 metre set shot when we need it. He was slaughtered in the middle in the third quarter when the game was on the line and was caught too slow to react while WC mids strolled out of the middle without any pressure. He is out only true proven superstar and yet had not really influenced one game this year, yet most say oh he must be injured or poor bloke is trying to do it all, while most blame the usual half a dozen ‘culprits‘ to all our losses.

No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #72 – August 10, 2020, 10:40:56 am

Quote from: shawny on August 10, 2020, 10:36:17 am

No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.

Agreed.

However, I still think something is not right with Cripps, be it physical or mental something is not holding up.

Even worse, at the moment he is garnishing pity commentary from the so called "specialist" AFL commentators, which is even more grating!

Is he still that marquee player we expect, or are they deliberately talking him down in the hope of gaining his signature, is it Cripps tenure at Carlton that is being undermined?

I sure as hell hope it's not some stupid internal club tactic to reduce his re-signing value, but I wouldn't put it past Liddle, Lloyd and our club as it has a lot of recent history regarding abject stupidity!

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #73 – August 10, 2020, 10:45:01 am

Cripps has been carrying the team largely unaided since Judd retired.

One average season (note its not poor, he has played as many good games as anyone else, but has played more games this season where he hasnt played 4 quarters than he ever has before) doesnt really make it a reversal of trend.

Most of the guys being potted are serial offenders and have a couple of these moments every week. Hence why Cripps few stuff ups are standing out.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #74 – August 10, 2020, 10:45:41 am

Quote from: shawny on August 10, 2020, 10:36:17 am

Types like SPS, Murphy, Plowman etc are watched under a microscope each week while others especially the bang and crash types are given a pass and BS excuses when they are not performing to expected levels.

Cripps is our captain and we all know how hard he is but the fact is he shirked a marking contest 10 metres out and still never kicks a easy 30 metre set shot when we need it. He was slaughtered in the middle in the third quarter when the game was on the line and was caught too slow to react while WC mids strolled out of the middle without any pressure. He is out only true proven superstar and yet had not really influenced one game this year, yet most say oh he must be injured or poor bloke is trying to do it all, while most blame the usual half a dozen ‘culprits‘ to all our losses.

No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.

Not me, even at the risk of "shooting bambi and her mother", I have mentioned more than once that the 2 captains have at times not showed the leadership required in the heat of the battle. Cripps misses too many shots at goal, its the one knock on his game. Doc has sprayed a couple of kicks at critical times. Both have done little on the ground to stop 5 goal runs (and by that I mean on ground coaching and instructing/revving up). Having said that, despite Crippa not having as stellar year as other years, we have been in games up to our ears with others taking the load, Kennedy did a fine job yesterday in the middle. In fact, he should be the one to push forward as he can take a telling mark and convert quite regularly (as we saw last year). To be clear, I am not suggesting the two skippers are the cause of our problems, just stating that they are not above criticism.