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Title: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 04, 2019, 08:07:38 am
Interesting times given new teams arrive in 2020.

Not sure what Mo Hope does wrong, I thought I heard she played OK in a couple of AFLW/VFLW games since dropping all that weight but she got kiboshed again.

Rumors Tayla, Vescio, Davey, Harrington and the twins have all been approached. But under the AFLW rules this isn't a shock it's just normal, it's like they want to start and build this competition with maximum free agency. I think that's a bit tough on clubs if nothing else from a marketing and branding perspective, they should be able to secure the marquee players that they invest heavily in a little longer than just a season or two. But I suppose it's more complex give the girls are really only semi-professional status and want to do stuff like have babies. The idea they can be sportswomen as well as wives and mothers, something us old blokes need to get our head around!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 04, 2019, 07:03:00 pm
Some notes
* Signing and trade period starts April 8. (end in August)

* Draft isn't until October

* Expansion clubs can sign up to 4 players from the Vic clubs, Adelaide and GWS and up to 8 players from Brisbane and Fremantle.

* AFLW clubs can now offer 2-season contracts (previously just 1)

* Expansion clubs can pre-list 10 players
- 7 will be open-age players from either their own academies or previously listed players from other clubs, nominated for the draft but not drafted in 2018
- 3 will be players born in 2001 (from their own development regions only)
- The rest will be drafted post AFLW season.


Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 04, 2019, 07:13:49 pm
Interesting times given new teams arrive in 2020.

Not sure what Mo Hope does wrong, I thought I heard she played OK in a couple of AFLW/VFLW games since dropping all that weight but she got kiboshed again.

Rumors Tayla, Vescio, Davey, Harrington and the twins have all been approached. But under the AFLW rules this isn't a shock it's just normal, it's like they want to start and build this competition with maximum free agency. I think that's a bit tough on clubs if nothing else from a marketing and branding perspective, they should be able to secure the marquee players that they invest heavily in a little longer than just a season or two. But I suppose it's more complex give the girls are really only semi-professional status and want to do stuff like have babies. The idea they can be sportswomen as well as wives and mothers, something us old blokes need to get our head around!

I heard the other day that the first thing Harf did when he got to the club was seek out Bri Davey and convince her to stay. He, coming from Collingwood, knew they were into her and he's pretty sure they wouldn't have been the only ones.

I'd be very surprised if we lost any of the girls you mentioned above as they would be highly rated by Half, and their teammates, and have become a tight unit. Obviously, they are on the verge of success. Why would they leave?

FWIW, Sabrina Frederick-Traub was strongly linked to Richmond (with others circling as well) long before she announced she was leaving Brisbane. I've heard very little else about changes thus far, but we'll know more in a few days when the signing period opens.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 05, 2019, 01:54:59 pm
Aints have been very quite so far, we have several players who are long long time Aints supporters.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 05, 2019, 05:13:09 pm
Aints have been very quite so far, we have several players who are long long time Aints supporters.

I'm not great at remembering who supported who, remind me.
Vescio + hoskings??
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 07, 2019, 10:13:31 pm
Our AFLW GM has resigned.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 08, 2019, 11:03:13 am
I hope we can recruit Maddy Prespakis' sister. She appears to have a bit going for her as well. We have a relatively late draft pick, but that is what success gives us.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Navy Maven on April 08, 2019, 11:13:01 am
I just want us to at least re-sign our 5 most important players; Prespakis, Vescio, Davey, Harrington and Harris. Unfortunately our success this season means that the new clubs will come after our players harder, but I think we're building the right culture to hopefully keep them here.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 08, 2019, 07:36:23 pm
https://womens.afl/news/17769/brennan-among-two-dogs-set-to-depart-the-kennel

Here is a good link to keep track of all the AFLW off-season goings on.

Mo hope has been delisted
Katie Brennan is leaving the dogs.

Former carlton player and part of the Tayla Harris trade, Bella Ayre has retired. Think she was only 20 or so too.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Professer E on April 08, 2019, 07:42:52 pm
I'm getting a bit shat off how the new franchises can cannibalise the existing clubs with no compensation.   History repeats with some of these clubs: Norp with ten years rule,  the tiges with the 80s self destructive trade war.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 08, 2019, 08:20:08 pm
I'm getting a bit shat off how the new franchises can cannibalise the existing clubs with no compensation.   History repeats with some of these clubs: Norp with ten years rule,  the tiges with the 80s self destructive trade war.

I get why the AFL wants new clubs to be successful but it shouldn’t be at the expense of clubs that have worked hard to build a reasonable list ... with the possible exception of the Crows  :)

I think that the AFL should allow for 2-3 seasons before the expansion clubs are competing for finals spots.  Expansion clubs could have academies and should build lists through State league teams before poaching from established clubs.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 08, 2019, 08:21:23 pm
I'm getting a bit shat off how the new franchises can cannibalise the existing clubs with no compensation.   History repeats with some of these clubs: Norp with ten years rule,  the tiges with the 80s self destructive trade war.

It only happens because everyone is a free agent all of the time.

From this season, clubs can sign players for 2 years. So it will mean that a lot of players are off limits.

Apart from that, if you have a happy, healthy club with upside, players won't leave.

So far the only carlton name i've heard thrown up as any chance of really going has been Rhiannon Watt. She was a late in for Tayla Harris in R2, and may have played the next week. She didn't show much worth persisting with IMO so if she wants to go to St. Kilda, good. Means that we can only lose 3 other players from our list to this system....if clubs can find 3 that will leave.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2019, 08:16:55 pm
List cuts have started. Nothing too shocking yet.

5 players have been delisted.
Bridie Kennedy
Rhiannon Watt
Shae Audley
Kirby Bentley
Reni Hicks.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Navy Maven on April 12, 2019, 08:18:56 pm
Bri Davey has requested a trade to Collingwood  >:(
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2019, 08:52:31 pm
Bri Davey has requested a trade to Collingwood  >:(

Not happy jan!  >:(

12 months ago, fair enough. I was shocked she stayed. But now? Why?!


Apparantly Gold Coast is having a crack at Gab Pound too.

I really hope we can keep this side together and take it a step further next year.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 12, 2019, 09:06:10 pm
AFLW a joke with major players changing Clubs is often.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 12, 2019, 09:13:18 pm
Bri Davey has requested a trade to Collingwood  >:(
This is not a fait d'accompli yet, but it is a very poor thing indeed if true. Bri only won the B&F a day or two ago. Very poor.

Collingwood would have to trade for her, and the 1st pick is the obvious bait, but it is still something I would prefer not to see. The only thing going against Bri is her age: she is no spring chicken and cannot go on forever. But it does feel like betrayal.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 12, 2019, 09:14:32 pm
AFLW a joke with major players changing Clubs is often.
With 1 year contracts and no possibility to retain players, it was inevitable. But it is very poor.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2019, 09:26:12 pm
This is not a fait d'accompli yet, but it is a very poor thing indeed if true. Bri only won the B&F a day or two ago. Very poor.

Collingwood would have to trade for her, and the 1st pick is the obvious bait, but it is still something I would prefer not to see. The only thing going against Bri is her age: she is no spring chicken and cannot go on forever. But it does feel like betrayal.

Bri Davey is only 25 crash. Peak of her powers with several years left.

If Pick 1 gets us another Maddy Prespakis, then thats a good start. What about operation 'Bring Steph home'? Captain for captain swap. Steph is no spring chicken at 30, but throw in pick 1 and i'd do that deal. ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2019, 09:27:42 pm
Rhiannon Watt has officially signed with the Saints.

Looked like it was 'get through the B+F first' type of scenario with her as rumours were floating around at the start of the week.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 12, 2019, 10:16:18 pm
I think Davey leaving is what you get playing her out of position, she never looked comfortable on ball the whole season and I suspect the Filth will have offered her a traditional role.

We all like her, but I'm afraid under the AFLW rules fans need to get their head around this sort of thing happening.

That'll cost our club a bit of cash, most of it's major branding is littered with her image!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 13, 2019, 09:22:27 am
I think Davey leaving is what you get playing her out of position, she never looked comfortable on ball the whole season and I suspect the Filth will have offered her a traditional role.

We all like her, but I'm afraid under the AFLW rules fans need to get their head around this sort of thing happening.

That'll cost our club a bit of cash, most of it's major branding is littered with her image!

I doubt its about her being played out of position.

There were plenty of rumours of her leaving 12 months ago and it was off-field issues between her and the club rather than on.

I'm sure Eddie has promised her the world and even if we have too, she's been bitten once already.

She was as good as gone 12 months ago and we somehow managed to turn her around. Can lightning strike twice?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 13, 2019, 09:28:59 am
I doubt its about her being played out of position.

There were plenty of rumours of her leaving 12 months ago and it was off-field issues between her and the club rather than on.

I'm sure Eddie has promised her the world and even if we have too, she's been bitten once already.

She was as good as gone 12 months ago and we somehow managed to turn her around. Can lightning strike twice?

I think we removed a car or car park off her from memory which sparked some animosity.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 13, 2019, 09:31:56 am
I think we removed a car or car park off her from memory which sparked some animosity.

I think it was a car....and i dont think she was the only one.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 13, 2019, 11:18:00 am
Bri Davey is only 25 crash. Peak of her powers with several years left.

If Pick 1 gets us another Maddy Prespakis, then thats a good start. What about operation 'Bring Steph home'? Captain for captain swap. Steph is no spring chicken at 30, but throw in pick 1 and i'd do that deal. ;)
I thought Davey was older than that. :(
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the idea of bringing Steph to Carlton. She may not be as good a player, but she does have a real crack.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Navy Maven on April 13, 2019, 02:39:12 pm
I thought Davey was older than that. :(
To be honest, I wouldn't mind the idea of bringing Steph to Carlton. She may not be as good a player, but she does have a real crack.

Unfortunately Steph can’t be part of any trade as she just re-signed with the filth. AFLW rules prohibit teams from trading anyone who has re-signed for the upcoming season. Collingwood don’t have any good players that are out of contract to trade, so we’re just going to have to accept pick 1, which could end up being pick 3 if the expansion clubs get first crack.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 13, 2019, 03:33:45 pm
If true, the fact Davey instigated the Trade is what players, staff and supporters should be mostly irate about. For a captain of a club to go behind the back of the Club she leads (and is the AFLW poster child of) like that is a massive dog act.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 13, 2019, 05:30:28 pm
If true, the fact Davey instigated the Trade is what players, staff and supporters should be mostly irate about. For a captain of a club to go behind the back of the Club she leads (and is the AFLW poster child of) like that is a massive dog act.
Why? Is there a difference between that and the other way where the club trades the captain behind their back? Plenty here wanted to see the back of Murph when he was captain. Its a business, loyalty and playing for the jumper is a thing of the past. Players leave to go where the money is, Clubs flick players for draft picks. Thats life.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2019, 11:46:49 pm
Why? Is there a difference between that and the other way where the club trades the captain behind their back? Plenty here wanted to see the back of Murph when he was captain. Its a business, loyalty and playing for the jumper is a thing of the past. Players leave to go where the money is, Clubs flick players for draft picks. Thats life.

I'm not entirely sure that's right G2C but it certainly seems to be the way things are happening in the AFLW.  There simply isn't the beginnings of club loyalty and camaraderie that you get with AFLM.

I accept Bri's decision to do what's best for her in her limited time in the sport but it does suck that she goes for a limited financial advantage over the club that supported her through her knee injury and saw fit to make her captain   :(
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2019, 09:12:31 am
Still astonished. Must be more to it than we're aware of.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2019, 09:13:32 am
I think there is a difference between a captain leaving for an expansion club (ie Brennan to Tigers) and a captain leaving for a rival, established club (ie Davey to Pies)

Given she is not only captain, but B+F winner and plastered all over our AFLW advertising, to do this to go to a lesser side and hiding it until after the B+F where everything appeared to be rosy is a bitter pill to swallow, and i'm not surprised the club are filthy.

She clearly isn't going there to play in a flag.
She isn't going there to play with her friends, given her partner plays with us already.
She is clearly going there for the cash.

.....and how much cash can they offer? What is the CBA in regards to the AFLW game these days? There was clear minimum and maximum amounts previously. Has something changed? Does she prefer a lexus over a hyundai?

I don't get it and i don't like it.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 14, 2019, 11:25:06 am
Yet we happily took the Filth's B&F off them when Nicola Steven joined us in 2017, we can't be hypocrites and must work within the system!

It's the system that is the problem, not the clubs working within it. The contract lengths and terms are too restrictive. I'm not sure why any club would bother developing talent at the moment, they could just save that money for list raiding.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 14, 2019, 03:58:41 pm
Yet we happily took the Filth's B&F off them when Nicola Steven joined us in 2017, we can't be hypocrites and must work within the system!

It's the system that is the problem, not the clubs working within it. The contract lengths and terms are too restrictive. I'm not sure why any club would bother developing talent at the moment, they could just save that money for list raiding.

Agree, but Steven's wasn't captain at the time.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 14, 2019, 04:05:45 pm
Agree, but Steven's wasn't captain at the time.

Fair enough, but on-field Stevens was without question their marquee player.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2019, 06:26:42 pm
Fair enough, but on-field Stevens was without question their marquee player.

Wrong again.

Mo Hope was their marquee player.
Emma King was their marquee player
Steph Chiocci was their captain.

It would be like someone trying to poach Brianne Moody from us (she won our B+F last year) but is far from the most important player on our list.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 14, 2019, 06:32:36 pm
Wrong again.

Mo Hope was their marquee player.
Emma King was their marquee player
Steph Chiocci was their captain.

It would be like someone trying to poach Brianne Moody from us (she won our B+F last year) but is far from the most important player on our list.

I wasn't talking about their listed marquee players, I was talking about their best player and match winner.

Nobody gives a feck about who gets the labels, we only care about on-field performances!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2019, 06:45:52 pm
I wasn't talking about their listed marquee players, I was talking about their best player and match winner.
Stevens was not a match winner, she was a defender who played her role.
She won the B+F by 4 votes to Alicia Eva, she is a matchwinner.

You say "without question" their marquee player, I challenge that remark.

Personally, i am more than happy to have Stevens playing for us. But if i had a choice of Collingwood players, she's just scrape into my top 5 i reckon.

Your logic suggests that whoever wins the B+F is without question the best player in the side. I challenge that logic.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 14, 2019, 06:48:01 pm
Stevens was not a match winner, she was a defender who played her role.
She won the B+F by 4 votes to Alicia Eva, she is a matchwinner.

You say "without question" their marquee player, I challenge that remark.

Personally, i am more than happy to have Stevens playing for us. But if i had a choice of Collingwood players, she's just scrape into my top 5 i reckon.

Your logic suggests that whoever wins the B+F is without question the best player in the side. I challenge that logic.

The coaches would disagree, they are the voters not fans! ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2019, 06:49:43 pm
The coaches would disagree, they are the voters not fans! ;)

And the players voted too. And the players voted Alicia Eva for the players player.
Emma King was also named in the AA team, but didn't make top 3 in the votes.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 14, 2019, 06:56:25 pm
And the players voted too. And the players voted Alicia Eva for the players player.
Emma King was also named in the AA team, but didn't make top 3 in the votes.

Like the way Kreuzer has never been AA, all voted by the media!

It's a joke measure!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 14, 2019, 07:09:59 pm
Like the way Kreuzer has never been AA, all voted by the media!

It's a joke measure!

Regardless, your comments are way off.

Stevens is no equivalent to Davey.

Stevens was not plastered across all the collingwood marketing.
Stevens was not chosen by her club/peers as most worthy of Captain.
Stevens was not even chosen to be in the leadership group.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 15, 2019, 01:00:58 am
Regardless, your comments are way off.

Stevens is no equivalent to Davey.

Stevens was not plastered across all the collingwood marketing.
Stevens was not chosen by her club/peers as most worthy of Captain.
Stevens was not even chosen to be in the leadership group.

We don't know, we cannot know, Stevens won the B&F and left, just like Davey! ;)

The rules encourage this sort of tit-for-tat behaviour, we did it, they'll do it too!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: No1inParticular on April 15, 2019, 08:53:41 am
Stevens was not a match winner, she was a defender who played her role.
She won the B+F by 4 votes to Alicia Eva, she is a matchwinner.

You say "without question" their marquee player, I challenge that remark.

Personally, i am more than happy to have Stevens playing for us. But if i had a choice of Collingwood players, she's just scrape into my top 5 i reckon.

Your logic suggests that whoever wins the B+F is without question the best player in the side. I challenge that logic.

I'll back LP here.

Stevens was crucial to the Pies in 2017.
They identified her ability & footy smart before the draft.
They were delighted to get her in the draft at their first pick, considering they thought others would snap her up.
A player they could build a defence around.
She left a big hole.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: No1inParticular on April 15, 2019, 08:55:32 am
Regardless, your comments are way off.

Stevens is no equivalent to Davey.

Stevens was not plastered across all the collingwood marketing.
Stevens was not chosen by her club/peers as most worthy of Captain.
Stevens was not even chosen to be in the leadership group.

Within the clubs 4 walls she was rated highly...
You don't need to be named captain to be a leader. She was the on-field leader in defence.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 15, 2019, 05:31:53 pm
Within the clubs 4 walls she was rated highly...
You don't need to be named captain to be a leader. She was the on-field leader in defence.

...and thats fine. However highly she was rated, it was behind at least 3 others when it came to leadership as she wasn't in their leadership group.

Again, this isn't actually about her ability on the field. Its about how much time/effort the club put into her off it.

Example, Darcy Vescio,club leading goal kicker 2 years in a row, mark of the year winner, goal of the year winner, marquee player, plastered all over our marketing campaigns and website, all australian, works for the club.
If she left, or got poached, the club would be filthy. She agreed to all of that, with comes with extra $'s and a continued relationship with the club.

Alternatively, if someone poached say Gab Pound (like Gold coast are attempting) who has had a better season than Vescio, finished higher in the B+F, made the AA side is crucial to our rock solid defense, and hasn't missed a game in 3 years.
If she left....fair play. Same as Nic Stevens.

Why are North Melbourne people still $hitty at Leigh Colbert? Because he was their best player when he left for the cats? Or because there was some understanding, given he accepted the captaincy position, that there would be some loyalty to the club....who in turn used his image to promote the club.

Davey going hurts on-field. As would Pound, Harrington, Prespakis and a multitude of others. But unlike those others, Davey has accepted responsibility as being the face of the club.....which she has turned her back on. Thats on her.

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 15, 2019, 11:38:47 pm
The Stevens/Davey scenario may have some similarities, but the players are much different.

Davey is streets ahead of Stevens.
She is a ‘big name’ player in the AFLW, whereas as good as Stevens was at Collingwood, she never had the cachet Davey does.
Captain, All Australian, 2 x B&F winner,
Face of AFLW at Carlton.
Voted best captain  in the league this year..
At 25, coming into the peak of her career.
Genuine match winner.

We should play hard ball and expect the Filth to pay BIG. The sneaky way Bri has gone about this, approaching our biggest AFLW rival herself behind the clubs back, should make the Club even more determined to get the best deal for us and not be so accommodating to the player herself.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Navy Maven on April 16, 2019, 06:06:26 pm
So the AFL have clarified that a re-signed player can be traded if they and their club agree to the trade. No1inParticular, any chance of a Captain swap?  ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 16, 2019, 06:09:15 pm
So the AFL have clarified that a re-signed player can be traded if they and their club agree to the trade. No1inParticular, any chance of a Captain swap?  ;)

I said that earlier, pick 1 and Steph, make it happen! ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 16, 2019, 06:24:02 pm
Come home Steph!!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2019, 10:41:59 am
There is a link to a video on YouTube that was just posted, but the link is broken.

The video is entitled "21 locked in for 2020",and has a picture of halford with a whiteboard behind him.
Link directs to Carltonfc page, but is not live.

I suspect it will be live shortly.

We've had 5 delistinga so far, 21 signings means we have 4 unknowns.
1 of which will be bri Davey wanting out.
1 might be gab pound to gold Coast *fingers crossed its not*
2 more...
Katie loynes retirement?
Tilly wanting to follow bri??
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2019, 07:19:51 pm
There is a link to a video on YouTube that was just posted, but the link is broken.

The video is entitled "21 locked in for 2020",and has a picture of halford with a whiteboard behind him.
Link directs to Carltonfc page, but is not live.

I suspect it will be live shortly.

We've had 5 delistinga so far, 21 signings means we have 4 unknowns.
1 of which will be bri Davey wanting out.
1 might be gab pound to gold Coast *fingers crossed its not*
2 more...
Katie loynes retirement?
Tilly wanting to follow bri??

8 hours later, no announcement. So i've taken things into my own hands....
Here is a list of our re-signings. 
WHICH IS A CSC EXCLUSIVE!  8)

2. Loynes
3. Vescio
4. Prespakis
5. McKay
6. Pound
7. Harris
9. Harrington
10. S. Hosking
11. J. Hosking
12. Brazzale
14. Dalton
15. Walker
16. Moody
19. Gee
20. Wilson
21. Stevens
25. Edwards
27. Woods
30. Downie
32. Plane
36. Van Dyke


Previously delisted...
13. Bentley
22. Watt
23. Kennedy
24. Hicks
26. Audley

Not on either list currently...
1. Davey
8. Mullane
17. Webb
18. Lucas-Rodd
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Lods on April 19, 2019, 07:25:05 pm
Nice work Scoop :D
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2019, 07:28:45 pm
Nice work Scoop :D

Whoever posted the video (dead link) to the CFC site had the thumbnail of Half with the whiteboard and list of names on it.

A google image search of the title video showed a larger version of the image. Large enough to just make out the names, 21 names under the heading "2020 AFLW re-signing"

It was a struggle, but i connected the dots from there.  ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 19, 2019, 07:29:20 pm
(http://bpvideos.telstra.insnw.net/web/images/20190418190106a_1024x576.jpg)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2019, 09:52:51 pm
8 hours later, no announcement. So i've taken things into my own hands....
Here is a list of our re-signings. 
WHICH IS A CSC EXCLUSIVE!  8)

2. Loynes
3. Vescio
4. Prespakis
5. McKay
6. Pound
7. Harris
9. Harrington
10. S. Hosking
11. J. Hosking
12. Brazzale
14. Dalton
15. Walker
16. Moody
19. Gee
20. Wilson
21. Stevens
25. Edwards
27. Woods
30. Downie
32. Plane
36. Van Dyke


Previously delisted...
13. Bentley: Maybe a bit stiff, as she was OK early. But the kids passed her and they have more pace.
22. Watt: Was always going to go to St, Kilda. I was hoping for more, but I didn't get it.
23. Kennedy:
24. Hicks: Didn't get a lot of chances this year: didn't have the pace.
26. Audley: I'm sorry to see her go, as she was a tackling machine, but we need better mids.

Not on either list currently...
1. Davey
8. Mullane
17. Webb
18. Lucas-Rodd

Of the uncertain players:
1. Davey: Not sure where this one is at, but I would not be confident about retaining her. :( I can hope, but I can't see it.
8. Mullane: I'm surprised she is on this list, as she was an important player through the whole season. Work issues? I would think she would be the one on this list most likely to stay.
17. Webb: Not getting a game this season would suggest that she is more likely than not to go.
18. Lucas-Rodd: If Davey goes, then Tilly will go too, but we won't miss her anywhere near as much.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2019, 09:56:27 pm
Davey going hurts on-field. As would Pound, Harrington, Prespakis and a multitude of others. But unlike those others, Davey has accepted responsibility as being the face of the club.....which she has turned her back on. That's on her.
That hurts in so many ways. She is very difficult to replace, she has been made a public face of the team... I feel very negative about this and I cannot see anyone at Carlton being otherwise.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 19, 2019, 09:57:59 pm
(http://bpvideos.telstra.insnw.net/web/images/20190418190106a_1024x576.jpg)
Brilliant work, Kruddler! Absolute top shelf material.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 19, 2019, 10:53:59 pm
Nice work Kruddler - appreciate your efforts.

Losing Davey is a blow but we have managed to hang on to several players who I imagine were in demand.  That gives us the basis of a strong 2020 team; we just need to add a replacement for Davey (they don't grow on trees) and some young talent.

I'm anticipating more from the likes of Dalton and Walker next season.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2019, 11:05:54 am
Of the uncertain players:
1. Davey: Not sure where this one is at, but I would not be confident about retaining her. :( I can hope, but I can't see it.
8. Mullane: I'm surprised she is on this list, as she was an important player through the whole season. Work issues? I would think she would be the one on this list most likely to stay.
17. Webb: Not getting a game this season would suggest that she is more likely than not to go.
18. Lucas-Rodd: If Davey goes, then Tilly will go too, but we won't miss her anywhere near as much.

I was speaking to good old 'Bluesgirl' aka Michelle about the above. I said i'd expected Tilly to go once Bri decided to go, she agreed and referred to Lucas-Rodd as a handbag.

Never heard that terminology before, but describes her perfectly.

We also both spoke about Mullane and agreed she was a bit stiff. Only thing i can think of is that she wants to go elsewhere, or she was not signed because she has the worst ball drop in the game, well, equal to Moody that is.

In any event, we now have 9 spots available. We'll have something coming back the other way for Davey (and/or Tilly) to go with the picks we already have.
Obviously there is another signing period coming up, but i don't think we can have any players poached now (from the new clubs) and everything has to be done via trade.

I reckon we escaped pretty much unscathed from the expansion, with the only damage from that coming from Watt to St. Kilda...and no loss there IMO.

Davey leaving....well that is a different kettle of fish, but they have to trade for her.


.....or do they? Just thinking, they have the #1 pick do they not? Could they simply use that to draft Davey? Kinda like a PSD style threat.

I'm not sure if there is another Maddie Prespakis coming through the ranks, but i'd be tipping Davey would be just about better than anything coming through the U18s, or close enough too.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 20, 2019, 01:52:43 pm
I was speaking to good old 'Bluesgirl' aka Michelle about the above. I said i'd expected Tilly to go once Bri decided to go, she agreed and referred to Lucas-Rodd as a handbag.

Never heard that terminology before, but describes her perfectly.

We also both spoke about Mullane and agreed she was a bit stiff. Only thing i can think of is that she wants to go elsewhere, or she was not signed because she has the worst ball drop in the game, well, equal to Moody that is.

In any event, we now have 9 spots available. We'll have something coming back the other way for Davey (and/or Tilly) to go with the picks we already have.
Obviously there is another signing period coming up, but i don't think we can have any players poached now (from the new clubs) and everything has to be done via trade.

I reckon we escaped pretty much unscathed from the expansion, with the only damage from that coming from Watt to St. Kilda...and no loss there IMO.

Davey leaving....well that is a different kettle of fish, but they have to trade for her.


.....or do they? Just thinking, they have the #1 pick do they not? Could they simply use that to draft Davey? Kinda like a PSD style threat.

I'm not sure if there is another Maddie Prespakis coming through the ranks, but i'd be tipping Davey would be just about better than anything coming through the U18s, or close enough too.

Wed be better off trading for her, and they'd likely get something back the other way if it were the case.

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 20, 2019, 02:01:41 pm
I read recently that Collingwood WILL have to trade for Davey, and WE have to be reasonably compensated or it won't happen.
Maddy Prespakis does have a sister coming through. How good she is, that I don't know. However, I have noted that she has been in the top 3 placegetters when I looked up the NAB League Girls results.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2019, 03:03:25 pm
I read recently that Collingwood WILL have to trade for Davey, and WE have to be reasonably compensated or it won't happen.
Maddy Prespakis does have a sister coming through. How good she is, that I don't know. However, I have noted that she has been in the top 3 placegetters when I looked up the NAB League Girls results.
Yes, they will have to trade for her because collingwood are not an expansion side. Expansion sides could get her without a trade.

BUT....if Davey doesn't sign a contract with us, she is free to enter the draft (as i understand it) and who has pick 1? Magpies.

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 20, 2019, 03:43:32 pm
I think the last player to try that on was Jake Edwards, and we all know how that happened!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 20, 2019, 08:20:08 pm
I think the last player to try that on was Jake Edwards, and we all know how that happened!

I'd be backing Davey in to find another suitor without too much of a worry. ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Jack Burton on April 21, 2019, 09:21:36 am
I read somewhere that it is unlikely Collingwood will retain pick 1, as they will give some very early picks to the expansion clubs to make sure they get the pick of the best juniors, it depends on how well they are able to poach players. From memory last year Geelong was given picks 1 and 2?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 21, 2019, 09:33:42 am
I read somewhere that it is unlikely Collingwood will retain pick 1, as they will give some very early picks to the expansion clubs to make sure they get the pick of the best juniors, it depends on how well they are able to poach players. From memory last year Geelong was given picks 1 and 2?

Yeah, that is another possibility. How they award the picks depends on how well they have recruited thus far.

You are right, Geelong did get 1+2, whereas North got nothing because they got in so much high end talent from other clubs.

That being said, teams can only pick from their 'zones' which is basically their own state. So of the 4 expansion teams, only 2 (Tigers and Saints) would likely be able to get a pick before Collingwood that would matter.....and i reckon Tigers have recruited pretty well, so might be the saints with pick 1.....which might suit Davey as she played for the St. Kilda Sharks previously i believe.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 21, 2019, 09:38:23 am
Just quietly, what are we waiting for with our signing announcements?

I managed to sneak that info days ago expecting an announcement the same day
*tumbleweeds*

It was first reported a week ago that an announcement was imminent.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 21, 2019, 11:20:52 am
Daisy Pearce to make a decision?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 23, 2019, 10:45:42 am
Crickets it seems, trade signing period done and dusted and despite Davey being the hot topic we've nothing yet to report. It's a bit odd!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 24, 2019, 07:29:23 pm
....and finally the club has come to the table and released the names i gave you all a week ago. ;)

But, its given us contract length as well...
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-24/blues-re-sign-21-players
Carlton Football Club re-signings on April 24, 2019

Gabriella Pound – 2 Years

Darcy Vescio – 2 Years

Kerryn Harrington – 2 Year

Nicola Stevens – 2 Years

Tayla Harris – 2 Years

Maddie Prespakis – 2 Years

Jess Hosking – 2 Years

Georgia Gee – 2 Years

Abbie McKay – 2 Years

Chloe Dalton – 1 Year

Brooke Walker – 1 Year

Katie Loynes – 1 Year

Sarah Hosking. – 1 Year

Breann Moody – 1 Year

Alison Downie – 1 Year

Jayde Van Dyk – 1 Year

Lauren Brazzale – 1 Year

Natalie Plane – 1 Year

Jess Edwards – 1 Year

Charlotte Wilson – 1 Year

Emerson Wood – 1 Year




Couple of things....
1. Why is Jess Hosking 2 years, but Sarah only 1? Sarah is the better player, in the leadership group, hasn't had the injuries her sister has. It doesn't make sense to me.

2. Great effort signing up our best talent to 2 years. The Sarah Hosking anomaly aside, i'd say our best 7 players (and a couple others) are locked away for 2 years. With the obvious exception of our turncoat captain.


Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 24, 2019, 07:33:37 pm
Also worth noting from that video, that we are only allowed to sign 22 players, we are forced to have 8 list changes.
Given that we have signed 21, are we leaving the door open for Davey to come back and be our final signing?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 24, 2019, 08:07:40 pm
Also worth noting from that video, that we are only allowed to sign 22 players, we are forced to have 8 list changes.
Given that we have signed 21, are we leaving the door open for Davey to come back and be our final signing?

As Bri still features prominently on our website, I suspect that the door is wide open.

Strange about the Hosking twins ... and I would have Chloe Dalton and Brooke Walker on two year deals.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 24, 2019, 09:58:24 pm
As Bri still features prominently on our website, I suspect that the door is wide open.

Strange about the Hosking twins ... and I would have Chloe Dalton and Brooke Walker on two year deals.

Re hoskings.


Perhaps its measured.  Weve offered the more injury prone one a two year contract which gives her security which fosters a likelihood her sister will stay even though shes only got one?

Or perhaps we'll reverse this trend afterwards and offer them both enough security?

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LoveNavy on April 24, 2019, 10:09:28 pm
As Bri still features prominently on our website, I suspect that the door is wide open.

Strange about the Hosking twins ... and I would have Chloe Dalton and Brooke Walker on two year deals.

Me too.
Fit, skilled, and tough.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 24, 2019, 10:30:58 pm
Looks like Lucas Rios’s is following her gf out the door
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 25, 2019, 08:43:55 am
Looks like Lucas Rios’s is following her gf out the door

Following or thrown?

Tilly was no longer a staple of the team. She was in and out of the side and is starting to be shown up from her lack of pace.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 25, 2019, 08:49:11 am
Second signing period has already begun and will end on sunday.

Draft order has been 'updated' after throwing in some priority/compo picks.

...and the first trade has already gone through.

Richmond (somehow) were awarded pick 1 (despite recruited well with Traub and Brennan in comparison to Saints who got.....???) and have since on-traded that pick for soon to be 20yo Monique Conti aka BOG on GF, AA, and B+F winner from the dogs.

Dogs getting pillaged from Tigers.

So now, updated first round sees pies with pick 2 and still a long way off in any davey trade.

Updated draft order
1. Western Bulldogs (via Richmond)

2. Collingwood

3. Brisbane Lions

4. GWS Giants

5. St Kilda (priority selection)

6. Western Bulldogs

7. Richmond (priority selection)

8. Melbourne

9. St Kilda (priority selection)

10. North Melbourne

11. Geelong Cats

12. Fremantle

13. Carlton

14. Adelaide Crows

15. Brisbane Lions (via St Kilda, Kate McCarthy trade)

16. Brisbane Lions (via Richmond, Sabrina Frederick trade)

17. Brisbane Lions (via West Coast, McKenzie Dowrick trade)

18. Gold Coast Suns
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 25, 2019, 01:48:19 pm
Following or thrown?

Tilly was no longer a staple of the team. She was in and out of the side and is starting to be shown up from her lack of pace.

I think that Tilly is typical of many players from the initial teamlists in that she has been overtaken by younger, bigger, faster, stronger and more skilful players.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 25, 2019, 01:52:29 pm
Officially gone is Tilly.

Also surprise retirement announcement from Mullane.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-25/three-blues-depart
Quote
CARLTON midfielder Amelia Mullane has made the decision to retire from AFLW.

Mullane joined the club from Collingwood for AFLW 3.0 and played all nine matches including the Club’s maiden AFLW Grand Final.

The strong-bodied inside midfielder was renowned for her defensive pressure during her time in the Navy Blue, averaging more than five tackles per match.

The Club can also confirm that Tilly Lucas-Rodd and Courtney Webb will not have their contracts renewed.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2019, 02:30:16 pm
If Davey doesnt want to be here or wants to sook up, she can fark off to Collingwood or anywhere else AFAIC no great loss. The Club is bigger than the individual, there is no better example than Buddy. Hawks went on to win 2 flags and he has got squat at the Swans (apart from the $10M). These prima donnas too often lose site of the big picture. I do understand the crazy money offers that come, not all of us are driven by the $$$.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: crashlander on April 25, 2019, 03:18:03 pm
Officially gone is Tilly.

Also surprise retirement announcement from Mullane.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-25/three-blues-depart
I am a bit surprised about Mullane, who not only played solidly, but moved deliberately to be coached by Harf. But work pressures in the medical profession can be considerable.

Tilly was a fair bet once Davey decided to leave.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 25, 2019, 04:50:56 pm
Really have to play it cool with Davey. Pies need to pay up.
Tiges set the standard by giving pick 1 for Conti.
You’d think pick 2 + something would be the minimum for a player of Davey’s calibre.
No big loss with Tilly.
Mullane was pretty good though.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2019, 04:59:51 pm
Really have to play it cool with Davey. Pies need to pay up.
Tiges set the standard by giving pick 1 for Conti.
You’d think pick 2 + something would be the minimum for a player of Davey’s calibre.
No big loss with Tilly.
Mullane was pretty good though.
Doesnt she just walk if a deal cant get done as she is uncontracted? (not sure of the AFLW rules in this).
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: ianh on April 25, 2019, 09:53:17 pm
Yes, she can walk - but into the draft where the Bulldogs would surely take her.  I don't think there is any ability to name your price in this instance.

I think Tilly is more of a loss then most reckon, but  I suppose time will tell.

Discussion with MLG at open training on Friday he told my daughter we had signed up the bulk of the squad, Davey was gone and he couldn't say (clarified that this meant he did not know) about Tilly specifically.  His words were "if you don't want to play at this club then we don't want you".



Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 25, 2019, 10:14:59 pm
Yes, she can walk - but into the draft where the Bulldogs would surely take her.  I don't think there is any ability to name your price in this instance.

I think Tilly is more of a loss then most reckon, but  I suppose time will tell.

Discussion with MLG at open training on Friday he told my daughter we had signed up the bulk of the squad, Davey was gone and he couldn't say (clarified that this meant he did not know) about Tilly specifically. His words were "if you don't want to play at this club then we don't want you".

And damn fine words they are!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 10:48:05 am
So today is the last day of the 2nd 'sign and trade period'

Today also opens up the first day of the free agency signings which will continue until April 30.

Still waiting on Bri Davey trade.

No real details on how free agency actually works in the AFLW, but what is to stop Collingwood saying they will not trade for Bri Davey, and then signing her as a free agent. Basically getting her for nothing.

We might get a decent compensation pick for losing her, but Pies wouldn't have to give anything up to get her (if FA works like the mens).
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 10:51:03 am
So today is the last day of the 2nd 'sign and trade period'

Today also opens up the first day of the free agency signings which will continue until April 30.

Still waiting on Bri Davey trade.

No real details on how free agency actually works in the AFLW, but what is to stop Collingwood saying they will not trade for Bri Davey, and then signing her as a free agent. Basically getting her for nothing.

We might get a decent compensation pick for losing her, but Pies wouldn't have to give anything up to get her (if FA works like the mens).

Does that depend on the expiry date of the standard contracts? In AFL that is after the trade period, but before the PSD, and as pointed out the Filth do not have the first picks. So I suppose an expansion club could we make a play.

It would be a smart move by use to drum up some 3rd party interest.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 10:55:37 am
Does that depend on the expiry date of the standard contracts? In AFL that is after the trade period, but before the PSD, and as pointed out the Filth do not have the first picks. So I suppose an expansion club could we make a play.

It would be a smart move by use to drum up some 3rd party interest.

The AFL are making the rules up as they go.

There is no AFLW CBA that i can find which would highlight all the fine print.

I don't think a 3rd party would change anything. Bri wants to go where she wants to go. Currently there is only 1 team (dogs) that have a pick above the pies in the ND (no PSD here) and would the dogs waste it on a player that will probably walk at years end anyway?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 10:57:09 am
Wasn't there some noise last year about AFLW 1st Rnd picks being bound to a club for at least two years, like the AFL draftees?

I appreciate being semi-pro has an impact on the rules so I understand why the AFL must remain flexible, as long as it is consistent and transparent. God help us! ::)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 11:00:54 am
Wasn't there some noise last year about AFLW 1st Rnd picks being bound to a club for at least two years, like the AFL draftees?

I appreciate being semi-pro has an impact on the rules so I understand why the AFL must remain flexible, as long as it is consistent and transparent. God help us! ::)

Signing for 2 years has only just been allowed in the past 2 weeks. So whatever noise there was, went away. Pretty sure expansion clubs (the next lot not in yet) wouldn't allow that either.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 11:21:25 am
Signing for 2 years has only just been allowed in the past 2 weeks. So whatever noise there was, went away. Pretty sure expansion clubs (the next lot not in yet) wouldn't allow that either.

Fair enough, it was only first round picks that I heard it suggested for anyway, so clubs could not monopolize whole drafts years and you still have to get the pick right, which is far from a science!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 11:26:35 am
Fair enough, it was only first round picks that I heard it suggested for anyway, so clubs could not monopolize whole drafts years and you still have to get the pick right, which is far from a science!

Well we drafted Maddie Prespakis in the first round last year, and this year she was out of contract and we signed up for 2 more.

So, again, it never came in.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 12:11:30 pm
I appreciate that.

I don't see why clubs would bother to invest in players if they can't sign them for more than a year, so the change was inevitable!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 12:46:15 pm
Bri Davey is officially a magpies player.  >:(

A deal involving swapping of 6 picks.

Details to come...
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 01:03:56 pm
So in order to get Bri Davey the pies have sold the farm.

Pies have given up their first 4, yes FOUR, picks in the draft (Pick 2, 26, 44, 59) and we've given them back picks we basically won't have to use now (67 and 82.)

Good work at the trade table baggers.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Bri.
She was a fan of 'Da Bears' anyway and i can't allow that.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 01:12:43 pm
Well that is basically it, if you do not want to be here you do not have to stay, Davey is no different to Henderson in this regard!

I hope this inspires the remainder of our list to bigger and better things!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Jack Burton on April 26, 2019, 01:22:59 pm
We now seem to have a lot of picks in the draft, how many list spots do we still have available? Any chance we'll package up some of these picks and trade for a player?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 01:25:55 pm
We now seem to have a lot of picks in the draft, how many list spots do we still have available? Any chance we'll package up some of these picks and trade for a player?

Yes of course, and I think six changes are the bare minimum.

But the rules keep changing so I'm not certain when commenting on AFLW, plus as Kruddler pointed out the AFL make it up as they go! For example an extreme case, if we wanted to trade a bunch of picks to Nthmond for Katie Brennan, I wouldn't be surprised that the AFL kibosh such a move yet I don;t see how there can be a formal rule against it! It's not like drafting a kid and trading them straight away, Brennan is an old hand!

Would we give Daisy Pearce a spot for 2020, she's a long long time Navy Blue?

Is there any confirmation yet of how the next season will play out? If as rumored it moves to be coincident with the mens season it means an 18 month off-season!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2019, 01:47:12 pm
I'm going to make an afl w prediction.

The girls are going to be less desired long term as each new batch of draftees comes in due to the work being done to get them up to draft age.  Each generation will be much better than the one that came before it .
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 01:53:55 pm
I'm going to make an afl w prediction.

The girls are going to be less desired long term as each new batch of draftees comes in due to the work being done to get them up to draft age.  Each generation will be much better than the one that came before it .

You mean like Walsh, or pretty much any GWS draftee for the last 5 years? ;D
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2019, 02:01:42 pm
You mean like Walsh, or pretty much any GWS draftee for the last 5 years? ;D

The mens game is a bit different.  The boys have been preparing for an afl career their whole lives.

The woman's game didn't.  There wasnt an elite level to prepare for 5 years ago.  3 years ago there was.

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 02:13:35 pm
The mens game is a bit different.  The boys have been preparing for an afl career their whole lives.

The woman's game didn't.  There wasnt an elite level to prepare for 5 years ago.  3 years ago there was.

I appreciate that, but the concept is of diminishing returns for the AFLW, it'll be like the lads within 3 or 4 years when the current crop of 13 year olds become draftees!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 02:23:27 pm
I'm going to make an afl w prediction.

The girls are going to be less desired long term as each new batch of draftees comes in due to the work being done to get them up to draft age.  Each generation will be much better than the one that came before it .

Prediction? We're already seeing it now.

Each AFLW list is getting younger and younger with more draftees overtaking the originals.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 02:25:27 pm
Yes of course, and I think six changes are the bare minimum.

But the rules keep changing so I'm not certain when commenting on AFLW, plus as Kruddler pointed out the AFL make it up as they go! For example an extreme case, if we wanted to trade a bunch of picks to Nthmond for Katie Brennan, I wouldn't be surprised that the AFL kibosh such a move yet I don;t see how there can be a formal rule against it! It's not like drafting a kid and trading them straight away, Brennan is an old hand!

Would we give Daisy Pearce a spot for 2020, she's a long long time Navy Blue?

Is there any confirmation yet of how the next season will play out? If as rumored it moves to be coincident with the mens season it means an 18 month off-season!

Pretty sure Daisy Pearce can go straight back on the Melbourne list....but you can ask. She is already back down to her playing weight after giving birth (to twins?) earlier this year. You can ask the question of her though.

As for the AFL kibopshing the KB trade you suggest, they would. But thats because she's now at the Tigers, not the kangas.  :P
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 02:33:21 pm
We now seem to have a lot of picks in the draft, how many list spots do we still have available? Any chance we'll package up some of these picks and trade for a player?

Every AFLW club can have a list of 30 players on it.
Up to this point in time, you could only sign up to 22 players (we have signed 21)
So we now have 9 spots available on our list, 1 more than the minimum.

Trade period finishes today, so if there are any moves we wanna make, we gotta get in quick.

There is also a free agency period that opened today and will last until Tuesday. I suspect we will pick up a delisted free agent we like the look of. Could be worth giving Mo Hope a gig. Might slot in nicely next to Harris and Vescio up forward and allow her the 3rd defender rather than the 1st or 2nd as she's had to deal with thus far.

Currently we have 7 picks in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Two in each of the first 3 rounds, and one in the 4th.
I susecpt we will use 6 picks. Meaning we'll sign up 3 players between now and then.

1 DFA - Hope?
1 or 2 'converts' ala Dalton + Walker from rugby 7's.
6 or 7 kids at the draft.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Dominator_7 on April 26, 2019, 02:37:57 pm
Wow, Picks 2, 12, 22 and 30 for 1 player.
Either they think they ve got enough young talent on their list, or they re insane.
Talk about selling the farm.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 02:45:03 pm
Wow, Picks 2, 12, 22 and 30 for 1 player.
Either they think they ve got enough young talent on their list, or they re insane.
Talk about selling the farm.

Re-read my earlier post...
Quote
Pick 2, 26, 44, 59
is what we got from the pies.

EDIT: I see where you got your numbers from now. Its a little bit sneaky. Those numbers are from the VIC pool of players.

To explain, the draft is not the same as the mens.
Vic teams can only choose from players who nominate for the Vic draft pool.
WA teams can only choose WA nominated players etc.

Last year as an example, Maddie Prespakis nominated for the VIC pool of the draft and NOT the Geelong pool (whatever that was called). So Geelong, despite having picks 1 and 2 could NOT select Maddie. So we swooped with pick 3, knowing all along that she was going to be available to us no matter what Geelong did.
So Maddie was taken pick 3, but was pick 1 in the vic draft.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 02:59:48 pm
I thought AFLW draftees were not required to nominate a state, but if they nominate a state only teams from that state can pick them up. If they don't get an offer they cannot back-flip!

So it's a double edged sword, particularly for lower ranked players, they get to play roughly where they like but they have less chance of being picked up if they do nominate a state!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 03:02:26 pm
I thought AFLW draftees were not required to nominate a state, but if they nominate a state only teams from that state can pick them up. If they don't get an offer they cannot back-flip!

So it's a double edged sword, particularly for lower ranked players, they get to play roughly where they like but they have less chance of being picked up if they do nominate a state!

I'm not sure if they have to nominate a state or not. I know you could nominate 2 (or more?) states previously and not sure if thats changed.

Point is, top end talent want to play where they want to play and you can't get a player who hasn't nominated for your pool. ie Prespakis and Geelong.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 03:04:16 pm
I'm not sure if they have to nominate a state or not. I know you could nominate 2 (or more?) states previously and not sure if thats changed.

Point is, top end talent want to play where they want to play and you can't get a player who hasn't nominated for your pool. ie Prespakis and Geelong.

I didn't realise they could nominate two, I thought it was one or none, none being Australia wide!

But it makes perfect sense to be able to nominate options where you can take a job, given they are part-timers.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 03:07:23 pm
Its good to see the club has already started wiping Bri Daveys image from the website banners.

Sarah Hosking and Darcy Vescio have replaced Davey, with Doc and Cripps still holding the fort for the mens.

A prediction on 2020 captaincy?
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 03:11:45 pm
Its good to see the club has already started wiping Bri Daveys image from the website banners.

Sarah Hosking and Darcy Vescio have replaced Davey, with Doc and Cripps still holding the fort for the mens.

A prediction on 2020 captaincy?

Maybe more left field, Harrington or Pound?

If Sarah Hosking had signed for two years she probably be an option, but do you want your club captain potentially to leave two years running?

Harrington looks welded on, I also like the long term look of Dalton or Walker, leadership group material or back to the Australia when it calls?

I must admit I am a fan of defenders as leaders.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 03:16:02 pm
Maybe more left field, Harrington?

Not really left field at all.

Davey was captain - gone.
Audley was in the leadership group - gone

The remaining 4 from the leadership group are....
S. Hosking
Vescio
Loynes
Harrington

Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 03:18:20 pm
Not really left field at all.

Davey was captain - gone.
Audley was in the leadership group - gone

The remaining 4 from the leadership group are....
S. Hosking
Vescio
Loynes
Harrington

Just that Harrington is probably the least media orientated of the lot, but I like her football, she is the Docherty of Carlton's AFLW team! A no bullcrap, just get on with the job type, and she acts like she has been there before which makes her appear like she belongs!
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 03:24:43 pm
Just that Harrington is probably the least media orientated of the lot, but I like her football, she is the Docherty of Carlton's AFLW team! A no bullcrap, just get on with the job type, and she acts like she has been there before which makes her appear like she belongs!

You don't have to sell her to me, i'm a big fan.

I bought her match worn pride guernsey, autographed and all. ;)

In all honesty, she'd be my vote for captain.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on April 26, 2019, 03:26:28 pm
You don't have to sell her to me, i'm a big fan.

I bought her match worn pride guernsey, autographed and all. ;)

In all honesty, she'd be my vote for captain.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/59052263/make-it-so-number-one.jpg)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 26, 2019, 05:18:36 pm
Not really left field at all.

Davey was captain - gone.
Audley was in the leadership group - gone

The remaining 4 from the leadership group are....
S. Hosking
Vescio
Loynes
Harrington
Loynes or Hosking for mine
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Lods on April 26, 2019, 05:26:43 pm
It'll probably be one of Hosking or Vescio.
Of the two my choice would be Hosking.

But I do also like the idea of Harrington
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 05:45:33 pm
Loynes is getting a bit long in the tooth for mine. Performance wise she dropped off after a brilliant first 2 rounds. Might be forced out of the team next year if the decline continues.

Vescio seems to be the joker of the group. Not sure she'll like having to have her serious face on as much as would be required by the captain.

S. Hosing stepped up in daveys absence previously, so could do so again. However, she only signed a 1year deal and that has me spooked somewhat.

Harrington, as far as I can tell, doesn't seem to have any negatives.

Perhaps a smokey not from our current leadership group could be Stevens.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2019, 06:00:43 pm
Harris seems a likely type.  Speaks well.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 26, 2019, 06:56:04 pm
You don't have to sell her to me, i'm a big fan.

I bought her match worn pride guernsey, autographed and all. ;)

In all honesty, she'd be my vote for captain.

You kept that quiet! Well done  :)

I think she'd be OK as captain.  It's a bit hard to get a handle on the leadership qualities of the AFLW players.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 07:42:34 pm
You kept that quiet! Well done  :)

I think she'd be OK as captain.  It's a bit hard to get a handle on the leadership qualities of the AFLW players.

 :P ;)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 26, 2019, 08:32:12 pm
In other news.

Daisy Pearce has re-signed with the dees.

Brazill and Rowe have re-signed with the pies.

Some minor trades and signing as well.
Full list here....
https://womens.afl/news/17843/trade-and-signing-period-wrap-daisy-re-signs-with-dees
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 30, 2019, 06:46:39 pm
Tilly has been picked up by the sainters.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5YteE0VUAA9Ejb.jpg)
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: kruddler on April 30, 2019, 06:47:29 pm
No love for Mo Hope or Sarah Perkins.

What a fall from grace for both.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2019, 11:19:35 pm
No love for Mo Hope or Sarah Perkins.

What a fall from grace for both.

I think it's just an inevitable result of the advances in fitness, skills and size and quality of the recruitment pool.  It's bad luck for Mo Hope that the competition didn't start 3 years earlier; she would have been a star, but I guess that there are others in that situation.
Title: Re: AFLW 2019 List Changes
Post by: LP on May 01, 2019, 08:09:10 am
In other news.

Daisy Pearce has re-signed with the dees.

I hope we had a crack and didn't just let them do that as a formality.