All ready for tomorrow night.
May the result turn out right!
Otherwise, there will be considerable spite!
Damn, that was too close to comfort. Too many missed chances not taken.
I'll take a win on the road like that any day. Another W to build some confidence.
With Silvagni hurt, Matthew Kennedy is a certainty. he did well when he came on.
Jack's tackle was nothing short of brilliant, as was H's shot at goal. But so many other shots ...
Great tough win. It was ugly and those games we normally lose. Hope it augers well for the future. Loving the improvement in Cottrell I suspect he was tagging a bit tonight to take him to the ball.
I'll take a win on the road like that any day. Another W to build some confidence.
A win is a win is a win, but we've got a lot of work to do.
One things I really note, is that we don't handle the ball well up there, it is too slippery and a number of our players struggle in that. But to win on the road against a team with talent is always a positive.
Defence was solid. SPS was clean and used it well while most mids butchered it. Liked doc Jones and weiters game as well and plowman was solid.
The midfield was awful apart from Ed and Walsh who battled hard.
Time for setterfield and Dow to play 2s footy. Neither are AFL standard and we are not good enough to carry blokes thru the middle who don’t contribute and aren’t desperate enough. Prefer Cottrell at least he has a go.
Hopefully Williams comes back in and I would like to see Kennedy or stocker for a run of games.
Eddie is smart and we needed that tonight. Hard night to be a forward when the ball is butchered coming in.
Excruciating to watch, like pulling teeth. A wins a win.
An ugly win is always much better than an honourable loss. For example, we played much better round 1 against Richmond but I'll take this this win all day ahead of that.
And we're now 6th!!!
Yep, SPS did play well
@shawny
Yep, SPS did play well @shawny
Even Ill acknowledge that. LJ leading our B&F right now IMO.
Saad wasnt fit tonight could hardly run, Kennedy to come in if JSOS doesnt play one of Setters or dow not to play i think we will persist with at least one of them though.
Love the Cottrell inclusion always gives it his all
An ugly win is always much better than an honourable loss. For example, we played much better round 1 against Richmond but I'll take this this win all day ahead of that.
And we're now 6th!!!
Filth, Scum, Tiggers all lost. Order has been restored.
For all the hype about our ruck advantage, their mids - Greenwood and the Anderson kid, took the p%;*#
If that wasn't bad enough, our goal kicking was appalling.
Great to get a 2nd W, but that performance still leaves me unconvinced about our side. The learnings will plenty... hope we can make something of them. Agree we struggle in slippery conditions although Samo and Eddie managed.
Hats off to our defense. 👑Liam, Weiters (ootf aside), Doc, Samo, and Saad in particular were solid. Parks went alright too I thought. Thank goodness for our interceptions. Without them, their strength around the ball could have got them over the line.
And can I just say it was nice to see Rhyce Shaw running for GC, good people like that shouldn't be lost to footy, well played sir.
For all the hype about our ruck advantage, their mids - Greenwood and the Anderson kid, took the p%;*#
If that wasn't bad enough, our goal kicking was appalling.
Great to get a 2nd W, but that performance still leaves me unconvinced about our side. The the learnings will plenty... hope we can make something of them.
Hats off to our defense. Jones, Weiters (ootf aside), Doc, Samo, and Saad in particular were solid. Parks went alright too I thought. Thank goodness for our interceptions. Without them, I think we'd have lost.
Yes, they moved the ball quite well and our defenders had to work very hard. They stood up well.
Filth, Scum, Tiggers all lost. Order has been restored.
Music sweet music
Parks barely had a possession, but he did a decent job defending. Not sure he'll keep his place if we have a few guys back. But he does have some idea what he is doing.
Paddy Dow had 8 possessions and just fumbled too often. I think he will go out.
Jack Silvagni didn't get a lot of the ball, but he was lively. His tackle basically won us the game.
Levi barely had a touch either. I would have rucked him more, so he could get into the game. He contested well enough, but we didn't do him any favours.
Pitto was disappointing. He got his hand to a lot of balls, but we didn't get the ball away. We really have to improve in that area, or good midfields are going to smash us.
Last time we sat in the 8 we played Port the next week and lost with a kick after the siren.
Not a great game, umpiring was putrid early to 14-4 to GCs favour even though we were first to the ball and two goals up! Wtf!?
Dow has skill, a bit of play in the last showed a dash of brilliance. Think he’s your cherry on top deal, which we are NOT asking him to be. Don’t care if we trade him out.
Someone said earlier, Eddie is smart. He is. So is murph. Samo and Saad are smart. We need to work those players into our mid stream to make plays, not hackers. Smart players.
Oh JSOS - SMART. so important to us, he won that game by breaking his shoulder for that tackle, make no mistake
Don’t care if we trade him out.
Lucky if we got a fifth rounder for Dow. He has been in the system too long to be showing so little.
He looks raw and not ready yet he has had a decent run of games. Ruthless teams would have already moved him on.
A bit of a side note. I hope young Slater, CFC's newest recruit, enjoyed watching the tough fight. Hope he had lots of fun shouting for his teammates 💙
Kudos to the old blokes - Murphy and Betts - for their poise in such difficult conditions.
A bit of a side note. I hope young Slater, CFC's newest recruit, enjoyed watching the tough fight. Hope he had lots of fun shouting for his teammates 💙
Yes so true. Poor little man. Breaks your heart that stuff and so nice to see the club get involved in these sorts of things.
Puts everything into perspective doesn’t it.
Scary part about Dow have a look at the rest of his draft year and what their doing Davies uniake,cerra,Stephenson, Clark, coffield ,naughton, brander, Zac Bailey,Ed Richards,starcevich,Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly,Noah balata,LiamRyan,fritsch,Ainsworth, Tom mcartin,constable,petrucelle, James Worpel, gryan miers, even Guelfi and switowski where all taken with picks after Dow! And most where after O’Brien!
Would give my left agate for a Cerra Worpel or Liam Ryan 🙄
Just an example of how others are improving and playing roles where our two top ten picks are....................
Parks barely had a possession, but he did a decent job defending. Not sure he'll keep his place if we have a few guys back. But he does have some idea what he is doing.
Paddy Dow had 8 possessions and just fumbled too often. I think he will go out.
Jack Silvagni didn't get a lot of the ball, but he was lively. His tackle basically won us the game.
Levi barely had a touch either. I would have rucked him more, so he could get into the game. He contested well enough, but we didn't do him any favours.
Pitto was disappointing. He got his hand to a lot of balls, but we didn't get the ball away. We really have to improve in that area, or good midfields are going to smash us.
They clearly knew they were deficient in the ruck area but their mids were switched on from the get go both at the centre bounces and around the ground.
Unless a ruckman does something else other than tap they're pretty much useless.
Scary part about Dow have a look at the rest of his draft year and what their doing Davies uniake,cerra,Stephenson, Clark, coffield ,naughton, brander, Zac Bailey,Ed Richards,starcevich,Oscar Allen, Tim Kelly,Noah balata,LiamRyan,fritsch,Ainsworth, Tom mcartin,constable,petrucelle, James Worpel, gryan miers, even Guelfi and switowski where all taken with picks after Dow! And most where after O’Brien!
Would give my left agate for a Cerra Worpel or Liam Ryan 🙄
Just an example of how others are improving and playing roles where our two top ten picks are....................
Most on here were very happy with selecting Dow. O' Brien was the surprise selection.
No MBB. Most of us were stunned when we overlooked LDU and Cerra when they were still available. Then we compounded it by taking LoB instead of Darcy Fogarty (another struggler it turns out) .
Silvagni said later than we would have taken Dow even if we had the no 1 pick. Classic Carlton. Two top ten picks in a good draft and couldn't pick our nose.
Dow was playing good football throughout 2018 and 2019, and has gone backward since. Don't blame the players for the chronic failures of the club. If he was at one of the better development clubs he would be flying.
An ugly win is always much better than an honourable loss. For example, we played much better round 1 against Richmond but I'll take this this win all day ahead of that.
And we're now 6th!!!
No one remembers whether you won ugly or pretty!
Parks barely had a possession, but he did a decent job defending. Not sure he'll keep his place if we have a few guys back. But he does have some idea what he is doing.
The biggest contribution from Parks is that he provides a stronger, less panicky option than Plowman in the last line of defence, which allows Plowman to be a better player.
The biggest contribution from Parks is that he provides a stronger, less panicky option than Plowman in the last line of defence, which allows Plowman to be a better player.
Yep, I think he will become a tough, uncompromising cool customer for us. Loved his tackle on Lokosius. Certainly gave him something to go on with.
We had a family birthday celebration last night so I was following progressive scores and have only managed to see the last quarter.
We pretty much dominated that and should have had a least another 2 or 3 goals.
Really felt for Jack and I'm not sure whether that shoulder (I'm assuming it's the same one he injured in Round 1) doesn't need some immediate surgical attention. I can't help but feel he was rushed back, but players playing through injury seems to be par for the course with us. Even though I only saw the last quarter Saad also looked a bit proppy, Plowman should have been straight off (probably stayed on because of the rotation issue) ...and Cripps probably carried injuries into every game last year.
I suspect Kennedy showed more in the short time he was on than some players showed for the whole game....but I'll have to watch it to confirm that.
A game we were expected to win.
A tight scrappy game.
Often in the past these are ones we dropped, so to come away with the win is a positive
My only comment until I watch the replay....
Likes:
We toughed out a scrappy game in difficult conditions.
Backline.
Ability to lock the aggot into our forward half.
Dislikes:
Dreadfully inconsistent umpiring.
Composure, or the lack thereof, in front of goal - should have won this game by about 3-5 goals.
Most of our guys did their jobs when it was their time. Really pleased with the efforts from lesser lights - Parks, Cottrell and Kennedy when he came on.
With the conditions you cut guys a fair bit of slack but still disappointed with the below average results from Casboult and Dow. I think next week we should see Williams for Dow and Kennedy for SOJ. If McGovern gets through the Magoos okay then him in for Casboult.
Likes:
We toughed out a scrappy game in difficult conditions.
Backline.
Ability to lock the aggot into our forward half.
Dislikes:
Dreadfully inconsistent umpiring.
Composure, or the lack thereof, in front of goal - should have won this game by about 3-5 goals.
Most of our guys did their jobs when it was their time. Really pleased with the efforts from lesser lights - Parks, Cottrell and Kennedy when he came on.
With the conditions you cut guys a fair bit of slack but still disappointed with the below average results from Casboult and Dow. I think next week we should see Williams for Dow and Kennedy for SOJ. If McGovern gets through the Magoos okay then him in for Casboult.
McGovern was good in the 2s. Timed his leads very well. He might come in for JSOS. Play him more a focal point rather than a 3rd tall and leave Casboult to just 2nd ruck as I doubt they are dropping him for that rucking reason. Williams for Dow definitely. Kennedy for Setterfield.
McGovern was good in the 2s. Timed his leads very well. He might come in for JSOS. Play him more a focal point rather than a 3rd tall and leave Casboult to just 2nd ruck as I doubt they are dropping him for that rucking reason. Williams for Dow definitely. Kennedy for Setterfield.
Was good to see Levi starting to use his weight and strength again around the ground, that's the first time I've seen it this year. It's his go. He should ignore the tap stuff and just muscle opponents and try to get a handball away and if the ball is pilfered by an opponent he should be smashing them in a tackle every time, even if he gives away a few frees it'll start making some space for Walsh and Cripps.
Was good to see Levi starting to use his weight and strength again around the ground, that's the first time I've seen it this year. It's his go. He should ignore the tap stuff and just muscle opponents and try to get a handball away and if the ball is pilfered by an opponent he should be smashing them in a tackle every time, even if he gives away a few frees it'll start making some space for Walsh and Cripps.
Its an art what you have described above, if it doesn't come natural to him and doesn't know what he is doing, he will come off second best.
McGovern was good in the 2s. Timed his leads very well. He might come in for JSOS. Play him more a focal point rather than a 3rd tall and leave Casboult to just 2nd ruck as I doubt they are dropping him for that rucking reason. Williams for Dow definitely. Kennedy for Setterfield.
Good to hear McG was good in the 2s, almost guarantees him of a recall... his mobility will be helpful.
Setterfield is an interesting one. I think his quickness and general accuracy with his hands will save him for another week. Reads the play well but I understand supporter frustration re him not imposing himself on games... maybe it's simply his go to be a linking kind of cat.
Knowing how conservative our selection committee is will save Casboult... and in his defense, very few of the big fellas took important grabs last night - except for Jones. But Meat hasn't been taking them all year really. He's fortunate the King is out injured.
I defended Dow last week but watched his game carefully when I watched the replay this morning - it's above the shoulders with this kid at present, playing like a bloke whose head is elsewhere and devoid of confidence and surety.
Kennedy definitely deserves a full game... did well, looked confident and right at home when he came on.
Hopefully Saad pulls up okay and he has enough time to get through whatever injury he's carrying. His pace on the G next Saturday night will be critical for us.
Kennedy definitely deserves a full game... did well, looked confident and right at home when he came on.
He did.
He looked as relaxed and confident as I've seen him... and had a bit of a presence.
Must get more game time next week.
They wont drop Setterfield, like to see Kennedy replace the injured JSOS.
They wont drop Setterfield, like to see Kennedy replace the injured JSOS.
They should drop setterfield EB.
This bloke plats like he will get a game no matter how he performs. Same with Dow.
Setterfield jogs around the contest and won’t attack the ball or player with the energy and intent.
Seen enough of both of them and really hope we give others a go. Kennedy, Cunningham and stocker should be given 5 or so games to compare and make decisions on all on this group come seasons end.
Cottrell shows the intent needed. May not have the look of a Dow or setterfield but he has heart and energy and that’s a trait you either have or you don’t.
Same for parks. That boy has ticker too.
Hate seeing kids that play like they are comfortable and setters, Dow and LOB do that.
He did.
He looked as relaxed and confident as I've seen him... and had a bit of a presence.
Must get more game time next week.
He looked very relaxed and seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself.
Was good to see Levi starting to use his weight and strength again around the ground, that's the first time I've seen it this year. It's his go. He should ignore the tap stuff and just muscle opponents and try to get a handball away and if the ball is pilfered by an opponent he should be smashing them in a tackle every time, even if he gives away a few frees it'll start making some space for Walsh and Cripps.
Noticed the big fella do this a couple of times last week. It was his (legal) hefty tackle on Young that sent him to the sick bay.
In the end just wanted to get to 2-2 no matter how. Thought that was just so important. 1-3 with Port to come would put things in a very different context.
They should drop setterfield EB.
This bloke plats like he will get a game no matter how he performs. Same with Dow.
Setterfield jogs around the contest and won’t attack the ball or player with the energy and intent.
Seen enough of both of them and really hope we give others a go. Kennedy, Cunningham and stocker should be given 5 or so games to compare and make decisions on all on this group come seasons end.
Cottrell shows the intent needed. May not have the look of a Dow or setterfield but he has heart and energy and that’s a trait you either have or you don’t.
Same for parks. That boy has ticker too.
Hate seeing kids that play like they are comfortable and setters, Dow and LOB do that.
Shawny, he was seen a boom recruit given his draft profile before GWS took him and he will get the extra slack cut his way that
early picks get IMHO. Kennedy is at the other end of the spectrum, blue collar rookie one step away from delisting.
I'd play Kennedy and have always said he has had a rough time selection wise..
In the end just wanted to get to 2-2 no matter how. Thought that was just so important. 1-3 with Port to come would put things in a very different context.
So now we have to expend all energy getting to 3-2. Port will be a tough job, so was Geel at Geel last year. If not for some slightly sloppy defence, we would have beat Port last year and it took Robbie Gray's best to knock us off. Onwards and upwards, these are the games that launch seasons, that's the challenge.
So now we have to expend all energy getting to 3-2. Port will be a tough job, so was Geel at Geel last year. If not for some slightly sloppy defence, we would have beat Port last year and it took Robbie Gray's best to knock us off. Onwards and upwards, these are the games that launch seasons, that's the challenge.
Yes, shame it was Gray who ended up taking the kick. Super player, as clutch as they come.
So now we have to expend all energy getting to 3-2. Port will be a tough job, so was Geel at Geel last year. If not for some slightly sloppy defence, we would have beat Port last year and it took Robbie Gray's best to knock us off. Onwards and upwards, these are the games that launch seasons, that's the challenge.
Yes, 3-2 would be nice. How long has it been since we were on the positive side of the W/L ledger?
Yes, 3-2 would be nice. How long has it been since we were on the positive side of the W/L ledger?
R11 2016, we were 6-5
R11 2016, we were 6-5
That's right. We were 0-4, then had this awful looking win against Freo, which made last night look brilliant, and equally $hitty looking win the week after, but it started a run of 6 wins in 7 games where we had wins over Collingwood and Geelong. The value of a $hit win over a honorable loss, it gives belief. 2 wins in a row, some belief, could start something. Hopefully!
Fitness wise, we were all over the Suns in the last quarter. We kept attacking and if 1.7 had been 5.3 we would be singing the praises of Russell and his team. We ran out the game very well I thought.
Fitness wise, we were all over the Suns in the last quarter. We kept attacking and if 1.7 had been 5.3 we would be singing the praises of Russell and his team. We ran out the game very well I thought.
Agreed, but 1.7 against good opo will end in tears.
That's right. We were 0-4, then had this awful looking win against Freo, which made last night look brilliant, and equally $hitty looking win the week after, but it started a run of 6 wins in 7 games where we had wins over Collingwood and Geelong. The value of a $hit win over a honorable loss, it gives belief. 2 wins in a row, some belief, could start something. Hopefully!
How did Cuningham do in the Magoos?
The Cameo King has a lot of criticism over his teasing career but I watched a feature on him on the CFC website and he had 11 tackles last week and there has been a considerable emphasis on lifting his defensive game, which just might do the trick. Here's hoping. Might be the kind of bloke who if given a run with role might be forced to concentrate for 120 minutes... which could save his career.
Agreed, but 1.7 against good opo will end in tears.
5.3 or even 4.4 - a comfortable win....
In the end just wanted to get to 2-2 no matter how. Thought that was just so important. 1-3 with Port to come would put things in a very different context.
Shawny, he was seen a boom recruit given his draft profile before GWS took him and he will get the extra slack cut his way that
early picks get IMHO. Kennedy is at the other end of the spectrum, blue collar rookie one step away from delisting.
I'd play Kennedy and have always said he has had a rough time selection wise..
Agree he has had a rough run, I’d play him too
But, remember, Kennedy was also a bit of a boom recruit originally
“A member of the Giants' academy program, he was drafted by the Giants with the thirteenth selection in the 2015 AFL draft, matching a bid from Richmond.”
Agree he has had a rough run, I’d play him too
But, remember, Kennedy was also a bit of a boom recruit originally
“A member of the Giants' academy program, he was drafted by the Giants with the thirteenth selection in the 2015 AFL draft, matching a bid from Richmond.”
Setterfield was good last season and I dont know whats gone on pre season but is as soft as a maccas soft serve on a 40 degree day at the moment and doesnt want contact.
Kennedy has been battling since we traded him in, he was highly rated and couldnt crack the GWS star midfield setup but has just fallen out of favor and given we lack some strong bodies I havent been able to work out why he cant get in the team and is always the fall guy who gets dropped when we lose.
End of the round we sit 7th!
End of the round we sit 7th!
How many people were sharpening knives and drawing a target on Teagues back just 2 weeks ago.
How many people were sharpening knives and drawing a target on Teagues back just 2 weeks ago.
Yep I was one.
I actually went to the game, which always gives a different perspective.
As close at it may have been, it felt like we were always in control of the game and were never really going to lose (yes, I know that's easy to say in retrospect...). At the ground, you can look 80 metres off the ball to see who is working hard, who is slacking and who controls things.
Forget who the pundits said was best on the ground. The man who is becoming the absolute general of the backline is Jacob Weitering. He was superb, smashed King in virtually every one-on-one and has a very calm head once he has the ball, Liam is good too, but this week and last, he could run around intercepting because Weitering had such a presence and provided the cover. There is no stat for presence and cool head, but they are invaluable.
The Suns were only in the game because (a) we kicked 9.16 instead of 16.9 and (b) they got 3 goals from unbelievably soft free kicks at really important times. At the start of the last quarter, I said to my son who was with me that the 'old' Carlton would end up coughing up this game. To my delight, they all worked incredibly hard in the last quarter - didn't get the scoreboard rewards, but kept turning up the heat. The run and cover was miles ahead of the Suns.
An ugly win, yes, but pleasing that the work rate is improving.
Some observations :
(1) The dew was a significant factor. Certainly meant that disposal was more difficult than even a wet day in Melbourne.
(2) We really need some expert assistance in tackling, so that they stick - our one-on-tackles are about as firm as those floppy sponges in a car wash.
(3) Patrick Cripps, as much as I love him, needs to learn about poise. ATM, when he gets the ball, he is so unpredictable and tries to do so much that no-one, team-mates included, knows what he is going to do. The mark and play-on in the last quarter is the perfect example - that should have led to a goal and shut the gate. It's easy to say he is a gun surrounded by spuds, but on many occasions, he makes them look that way. Give him some tapes of Pendlebury and get him to study how he uses his teammates. Usually, one simple clean disposal is much better than trying to crash through three tackles.
(4) Kennedy must come in. Attacks the ball well, presents on lead, and kicks very well. His last 10 minutes were very important.
In the end, it was nice to walk down the stairs to the tune of 'Da-da-da-da-da'.
Roll on next week.
Thanks tonyo. Enjoyed reading that.
I actually went to the game, which always gives a different perspective.
As close at it may have been, it felt like we were always in control of the game and were never really going to lose (yes, I know that's easy to say in retrospect...). At the ground, you can look 80 metres off the ball to see who is working hard, who is slacking and who controls things.
Forget who the pundits said was best on the ground. The man who is becoming the absolute general of the backline is Jacob Weitering. He was superb, smashed King in virtually every one-on-one and has a very calm head once he has the ball, Liam is good too, but this week and last, he could run around intercepting because Weitering had such a presence and provided the cover. There is no stat for presence and cool head, but they are invaluable.
The Suns were only in the game because (a) we kicked 9.16 instead of 16.9 and (b) they got 3 goals from unbelievably soft free kicks at really important times. At the start of the last quarter, I said to my son who was with me that the 'old' Carlton would end up coughing up this game. To my delight, they all worked incredibly hard in the last quarter - didn't get the scoreboard rewards, but kept turning up the heat. The run and cover was miles ahead of the Suns.
An ugly win, yes, but pleasing that the work rate is improving.
Some observations :
(1) The dew was a significant factor. Certainly meant that disposal was more difficult than even a wet day in Melbourne.
(2) We really need some expert assistance in tackling, so that they stick - our one-on-tackles are about as firm as those floppy sponges in a car wash.
(3) Patrick Cripps, as much as I love him, needs to learn about poise. ATM, when he gets the ball, he is so unpredictable and tries to do so much that no-one, team-mates included, knows what he is going to do. The mark and play-on in the last quarter is the perfect example - that should have led to a goal and shut the gate. It's easy to say he is a gun surrounded by spuds, but on many occasions, he makes them look that way. Give him some tapes of Pendlebury and get him to study how he uses his teammates. Usually, one simple clean disposal is much better than trying to crash through three tackles.
(4) Kennedy must come in. Attacks the ball well, presents on lead, and kicks very well. His last 10 minutes were very important.
In the end, it was nice to walk down the stairs to the tune of 'Da-da-da-da-da'.
Roll on next week.
Brilliant post Tonyo, being at the ground you see so much more that TV and stats don't.
How many people were sharpening knives and drawing a target on Teagues back just 2 weeks ago.
Actually, not many.
Most were pointing out things they'd like to see him try or suggesting that he could do with a win.
A far cry from calling for his sacking.
Sps age 23 (born feb 98) pick 6 in the 2016 national draft.
Despite some of the grumbling about his output, the decision to back him in and keep playing him seems to be yielding rewards.
Paddy dow age 21 (born October 99) pick 3 2017 national draft. I think we need to persist with dow for a few more weeks whilst he's cracking in. He's had a significant set back where sps hasn't and is almost 1.5 years younger. Given sps is only just starting to really show some form and consistency perhaps dow just needs similar treatment.
Im not going to talk about o brien. He's born September 1999 and looks less likely to make it.
A few observations from the replay:
- our backs are building synergy. We'll see how this allows 1 or2 to dominate while the others simply get the job done. Improving week by week. Samo showing some real class and finally kicking >15m
- our newbies have the right hard working, hard edge approach. Cotterell, Fogarty, Parks, Saad
- our veterans came in and led the way. Extremely pleasing
- goalkicking was shocking. Unsure if that's about skill or conditions
- what on earth happened at stoppages?
- We look like we have some depth at long last. We have a talented rehab list - enter Mr Russell
- great to hear the noise our QLD / travelling Bluebaggers made 👏
- thrilled to see the off the ball work improve. SOJ, Eddie, Ed have it. Fogarty takes it to another level, and others are following
- that's exactly the type of game we've too often lost. Hopefully the experiential learning will help clinch a few close one's
- if not for inaccuracy, we would have buried them q1 and/or q4
- We ran the game out very well
- our natural footballers make an important contribution
- Setters didn't look to be in the game. Although Dow had a crack, he often looked almost confused. Have we made his role clear? Perhaps he needs a dedicated role to help build confidence again
- if we could get injuries sorted, we'd be in with a chance
Freo and Gold Coast were injury hit and are two very poor teams who we should beat well. Neither win has been impressive and its a bit early to be calling players, coaches or anyone else over the line in terms of making it in the big time yet.
Freo and Gold Coast were injury hit and are two very poor teams who we should beat well. Neither win has been impressive and its a bit early to be calling players, coaches or anyone else over the line in terms of making it in the big time yet.
I was teasing my Collingwood supporter mate about he ladder and his response was they have had a tough draw with only one easy game. Ouch.
I was teasing my Collingwood supporter mate about he ladder and his response was they have had a tough draw with only one easy game. Ouch.
Nice back hander from your mate, don't think we are in the easy beat category but kicking 9 goals vs a undermanned GC team doesn't inspire high confidence for the future either.
Nice back hander from your mate, don't think we are in the easy beat category but kicking 9 goals vs a undermanned GC team doesn't inspire high confidence for the future either.
If the last quarter has been 5.3 or 4.4 looks a lot better than the 1.7 we mustered?
If the last quarter has been 5.3 or 4.4 looks a lot better than the 1.7 we mustered?
Good point. And we dominated possession when the game was online.
Like EB says the last 2 wins were against weaker opposition but as we have seen this year if you’re not switched on, upsets occur so doing what was needed to get the 4 points is still acceptable imo.
We thankfully no longer appear to be a bottom 4 team but as far as being a genuine top 8 chance this year the next fortnight will be telling.
Good point. And we dominated possession when the game was online.
Like EB says the last 2 wins were against weaker opposition but as we have seen this year if you’re not switched on, upsets occur so doing what was needed to get the 4 points is still acceptable imo.
We thankfully no longer appear to be a bottom 4 team but as far as being a genuine top 8 chance this year the next fortnight will be telling.
We thankfully no longer appear to be a bottom 4 team but as far as being a genuine top 8 chance this year the next fortnight will be telling.
It's a bit early!
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How did Cuningham do in the Magoos?
The Cameo King has a lot of criticism over his teasing career but I watched a feature on him on the CFC website and he had 11 tackles last week and there has been a considerable emphasis on lifting his defensive game, which just might do the trick. Here's hoping. Might be the kind of bloke who if given a run with role might be forced to concentrate for 120 minutes... which could save his career.
Missed after getting concussed late last game.
He laid 11 tackles (more than half of our AFL team combined against Freo) and kicked two goals and would have been in contention.
Luke Power's comments about working on his starting points are interesting:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/899608/carlton-coaches-corner-david-cuningham?videoId=899608&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1617780546001
Missed after getting concussed late last game.
He laid 11 tackles (more than half of our AFL team combined against Freo) and kicked two goals and would have been in contention.
Luke Power's comments about working on his starting points are interesting:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/899608/carlton-coaches-corner-david-cuningham?videoId=899608&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1617780546001
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?
Says a lot. Not much good....
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?
Says a lot. Not much good....
More about the value of having a Luke Power type coaching kids, that is a Mid coaching Mids, the guy knows how to get involved in games without being overly blessed with size and speed.
No offence to him, but our current midfield coach is Barker, we'd be better off having Barker fix Cripps marking! :o
Actually, not many.
Most were pointing out things they'd like to see him try or suggesting that he could do with a win.
A far cry from calling for his sacking.
I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.
A couple have put their hand up though
and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.
I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.
A couple have put their hand up though
and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.
Whilst I put my hand up, I think that my posts didn't call for him to be sacked, they involved:
- stating that if we don't make the 8, the club would sack him at years end.
- if we where 0-5 or 0-6, they would sack him sooner
I also stated that I don't like the bloke much, doesn't mean I want hime sacked. He could win us he next 10 on the trot, my opinion of him won't have changed.
Whilst I put my hand up, I think that my posts didn't call for him to be sacked, they involved:
- stating that we don't make the 8, he is gone at years end.
- if we where 0-5 or 0-6, they would sack him sooner
Agree, finals are the expectation, if that doesnt happen then his position will be on the line, thats just the normal course of events
for any coach/club that are hyped up as contenders for the finals.
More about the value of having a Luke Power type coaching kids, that is a Mid coaching Mids, the guy knows how to get involved in games without being overly blessed with size and speed.
No offence to him, but our current midfield coach is Barker, we'd be better off having Barker fix Cripps marking! :o
Yes LP, Luke Power should leave a lasting impression on our younger mids and the club's fortunes over the next several years.
I'm not sure why line coaches aren't assigned to the lines where they played :-\
Is it that they are just implementing the head coach's agenda and aren't meant to be addressing individual player's areas of improvement?
How many people were sharpening knives and drawing a target on Teagues back just 2 weeks ago.
The target is still there but the knives have been sheathed ... for now ;)
The target is still there but the knives have been sheathed ... for now ;)
He's a CFC coach, the target's always there.
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?
Says a lot. Not much good....
It is embarrassing, very embarrassing that our coaching group didn't work this out earlier... or try something earlier. But, better late than never and if a talent can be channelled into productive output for the club - ripper.
Helluva indictment on Barker, but then none of us is surprised.
I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.
A couple have put their hand up though
and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.
No, I didn't take it personally.
I just didn't notice a lot of folk actually saying they wanted Teague gone...it was more about the fact that 0-2 was a shaky start and there were changes in personnel and tactics they would like to see.
Continued losses would only increase the pressure.
Our last two performances have eased that pressure a little....but we probably need that big scalp for folks to feel a little more positive.
Big game this week.
It is embarrassing, very embarrassing that our coaching group didn't work this out earlier... or try something earlier. But, better late than never and if a talent can be channelled into productive output for the club - ripper.
Helluva indictment on Barker, but then none of us is surprised.
Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.
If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.
The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long. Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.
Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.
If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.
The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long. Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.
I suspect you're right but I see this as an overall 'safety' or 'conservative' approach of the club in so many areas. You can see it reflected in selection... always conservative and too often out of form blokes still get a gig. I understand that injuries sometimes hamstring selection.
And it probably is an indictment on a number of people that the newbie into the group identified the Cameo King's dreadful inconsistencies, poor defensive mindset yet sublime skills and hence created a new approach with the kid which seems to be reaping benefits... well, so far! I single out Barker as he's been with the club in the coaching dept the longest and is the most senior next to the actual senior coach.
But, ultimately, like Jones, a complete change of mindset toward a bloke MAY be the saving of that bloke.
Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.
If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.
The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long. Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.
Cam Bruce is the fwd line coach, there is the problem.
Not all stars make great coaches, but the ones that seem to coach well have a way of being really great coaches.
Leigh matthews and Ron Barrassi as examples.
That being said average joes who make the most of their careers also seem to make good coaches.
There might be something that is common across the successful ones worth analysing. My bet is its a mindset thing.
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?
Says a lot. Not much good....
Oddly, perhaps not so oddly, I suspect the same applies to our AFL squad as well, in particular Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh.
When things aren't going our way in the ruck, the setup doesn't look suited to our slower bodies.
On player's becoming coaches... I believe that the more natural a player is, the less likely he will to become a great coach. Not to say he couldn't, but it seems to me that the guy's who have to work the hardest to get the most out of themselves and their career seem to have a better handle on coaching, and communicating to those in development.
On player's becoming coaches... I believe that the more natural a player is, the less likely he will to become a great coach. Not to say he couldn't, but it seems to me that the guy's who have to work the hardest to get the most out of themselves and their career seem to have a better handle on coaching, and communicating to those in development.
Exactly.
Couple of back pocket players with limited ability turned out to be 2 of the greatest of all time. Speedy and malthouse.
Throw current coaching God dimma hardwick in there too.
Teague has the right playing attributes....
If not for some external issues Diesel would have been an A-Grade AFL coach, and The Hyphen probably should have been given a AFL coaching crack as well, serious capabilities.
Just got back from my Gold Coast Road Trip last night. My first observation is that the country is looking pretty good at the moment but with our climate and our weather patterns it is certain to deteriate over the coming years.
With the humidity and rain they had had up there, the ball was very slippery, coupled with our skill errors, it made for a very poor quality game. Once again we should have won by more but we continue to waste opportunities in front of goal.
The umpires got Gold Coast six frees up early and were able to maintain that buffer throughout the night.
The crowd was interesting considering Gold Coast has been practicing social distancing before social distancing was a thing.
The good was that Carlton was able to maintain its structures most of the night and even though the Gold Coast had the players and game plan that were actually more suited to the conditions. The players seem to be committed to the structures and game plan but they need to eliminate the skill errors and decision making mistakes that plague them.
Considering we had eight players out that you would consider for the first 23, Carlton has a lot better list than many of the critics give us credit for. It is team structure and individual ability that is getting us by at the moment. We need better cohesion, trust and teaming if we are going to make serious inroads up the ladder.